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Junglord
07-31-2011, 09:21 PM
Pardon my ignorance as I assure you I will be. I'm quite leftwing and see the Republican Party and the Democratic Party as mid-right on the scale. I would think anyone to disagree with this to be even further rightwing.

I'm not assuming all Americans are right-wing for a second. I was merely wondering how and why the American media portray the leftwing, socialism in specific, as some immoral, disgraceful and terrible ideology.

I think everyone should read Das Kapital at somepoint in their life for good measure.

Again I pardon my ignorance but I am looking for an answer. I understand the coldwar made America pretty anti-communist but haven't we moved on from seeing the left as a Dictatorship.


P.s. I just watched a video of Fox News stating that "Nazi" stands for "Natoinalised Socialism" ... all you need is a small grasp of politics and history to know that the National Socialist Party had nothing to do with Socialism in the sense of what Marx tryed to explain.

Mutatis-Mutandis
07-31-2011, 10:21 PM
Fox News. That about sums it up. They've been integral in creating the discord this nation currently suffers from. I'll let someone else elaborate or explain why I'm wrong. I'm just not feeling it at the moment.

G L Wilson
07-31-2011, 11:03 PM
I would love to talk politics with you but it is forbidden, so that's the end of it.

G L Wilson
07-31-2011, 11:25 PM
Whoever said the internet was democratic was an idiot.

Mutatis-Mutandis
07-31-2011, 11:40 PM
I would love to talk politics with you but it is forbidden, so that's the end of it.

Yes, because that's always stopped you before. :rolleyes5:

OrphanPip
08-01-2011, 12:56 AM
Whoever said the internet was democratic was an idiot.

The site is private property, you can't walk into someone's kitchen to give a speech and object to being asked to leave on the grounds of free speech.

G L Wilson
08-01-2011, 01:25 AM
The site is private property, you can't walk into someone's kitchen to give a speech and object to being asked to leave on the grounds of free speech.

Private property? It's more feudal than that.

stlukesguild
08-01-2011, 01:29 AM
Fox News. That about sums it up. They've been integral in creating the discord this nation currently suffers from. I'll let someone else elaborate or explain why I'm wrong. I'm just not feeling it at the moment.

To a great extent I believe you are right. The vast majority of Americans are what we might call "moderates". Unfortunately, the press in the form of Fox News and various talk shows and talk radio hosts play to the extremists on either side and as a result they have been "successful" in polarizing much of the political debate and "dialog". In the case of the extremists on the far right, the press plays to the young white males who are poorly educated and underemployed, religious extremists, and ultra-conservative retirees with ominous intimations that they are losing the nation to homosexuals, illegal immigrants, Muslims, socialists, and blacks. The politicians seem more concerned with pandering to the highly vocal and militant lunatic fringe on the left and the right than they do with serving the majority of the voters and the nation as a whole... which demands cooperation as opposed to the idea of a "mandate" when one wins election by 1% point.

Insane4Twain
08-01-2011, 01:37 AM
I think everyone should read Das Kapital at somepoint in their life for good measure.
I agree that everyone should read Das Kapital, but I also believe everyone should an antidote as well. Adam Smith and/or Milton Friedman should suffice.

G L Wilson
08-01-2011, 01:42 AM
Fox News. That about sums it up. They've been integral in creating the discord this nation currently suffers from. I'll let someone else elaborate or explain why I'm wrong. I'm just not feeling it at the moment.

To a great extent I believe you are right. The vast majority of Americans are what we might call "moderates". Unfortunately, the press in the form of Fox News and various talk shows and talk radio hosts play to the extremists on either side and as a result they have been "successful" in polarizing much of the political debate and "dialog". In the case of the extremists on the far right, the press plays to the young white males who are poorly educated and underemployed, religious extremists, and ultra-conservative retirees with ominous intimations that they are losing the nation to homosexuals, illegal immigrants, Muslims, socialists, and blacks. The politicians seem more concerned with pandering to the highly vocal and militant lunatic fringe on the left and the right than they do with serving the majority of the voters and the nation as a whole... which demands cooperation as opposed to the idea of a "mandate" when one wins election by 1% point.

The moral majority is a cesspool, a sinkhole.

Varenne Rodin
08-01-2011, 02:47 AM
I am very left wing. I know a lot of very well educated Americans who are also lefties. We just don't scream and call for death to atheists and other forward thinking groups, so we don't get as much face time in the media. Not only that, but our media is such a joke these days. It has really gone off the rails. It's the product of rich morons owning everything and poor liberals sitting around shaking our heads in disgust while republicans just sort of happen to us. I'm looking to leave the country. Seriously.

Varenne Rodin
08-01-2011, 03:06 AM
I should have said republicans AND democrats. They are all so far right. Less than 35% of our adult population voted in the last presidential elections. Trust me when I say that there are decent people being repressed in America and this is no longer a nation with a government by the people, for the people, if it ever was.

G L Wilson
08-01-2011, 03:43 AM
Rule by the thick, dumb and stupid has no right to call itself democratic.

Mutatis-Mutandis
08-01-2011, 09:06 AM
*Insult to G L edited out*

Junglord
08-01-2011, 09:07 AM
I agree that everyone should read Das Kapital, but I also believe everyone should an antidote as well. Adam Smith and/or Milton Friedman should suffice.

John Mill's On Liberty would be better.

Red-Headed
08-01-2011, 09:17 AM
I should have said republicans AND democrats. They are all so far right. Less than 35% of our adult population voted in the last presidential elections. Trust me when I say that there are decent people being repressed in America and this is no longer a nation with a government by the people, for the people, if it ever was.

Count yourself lucky, the reptoid Rupert Murdoch has ruled my country for the past twenty years at least!

tonywalt
08-01-2011, 11:30 AM
It's sort of funny for a forum that is supposed to be apolitical, it's clear how the stated majority lean politically speaking.

But I love the company in this "bar" and talking politics usually ends in a bit of a squabble (and then we make up:).

I just have a helluva alot of people here in which there is a mountain of similarities and common ground. I would rather keep it that way.

papayahed
08-01-2011, 12:10 PM
Discussion of current politics is not allowed.