The Fate of Suicides

[Hawkman]

Do you think it's true that suicides are condemned to an eternity of administration posts in the bureaucracy of the afterlife and is this fate ultimately dependent on what religion they belonged to when they were alive? PS Sorry about the typo in the thread title - If I commit suicide the afterlife will probably go to hell in a week - lol.

[OrphanPip]

No, I think people who commit suicide cease to exist like everyone else who dies.

[Hawkman]

Well, I suppose personal disbelief in any potential afterlife does not actually preclude the possiblility that there is one, but it may affect one's perception of a state of non-corporal being if it exists.

The fate of the suicide as a bureaucrat in hell or limbo has been postulated in literative and creative fiction for some time. I'm not sure I can remember where I first saw it, but certainly it figures to comic effect in the film "Beetlejuice" (1988). For those whose religious beliefs proclaim suicide to be a mortal sin, it only seems reasonable that there must be consequences!

[Varenne Rodin]

I agree with OrphanPip.

If I'm addressing hypothetical with hypothetical, I'll say that if there is a Christian style afterlife, suicide becomes a win-win situation. If the big bad almighty God punishes a suicide by sending that person to hell, at least that person got out of the hell of life and then away from such a cranky jerky unsympathetic deity. Presumably, they could party with some very fantastic celebrities. If hell is a jumble of disorienting confusion, on the other hand, at least it's immortality. If it's not immortality, at least it ends.

If suicides go to heaven, yay! Right? If it sucks, one could always tick off the master and get sent into hellfire for something different. I'm just glad I'm not a Christian. I would have offed myself long ago.

[Hawkman]

Well I can see the logic in a believer in any form of life after death considering suicide a viable option as a transition between alternative states of being, and I can understand why certain belief systems would inhibit suicide for fear of consequences. But for someone who does not believe in an afterlife who wishes just to simply cease to exist in any form in order to escape a life of living hell, it would seem to be a fairly safe bet. Tell me, would you have topped yourself just because you were a Christian, or are you saying that being a Christian is a form of suicide...?

Discuss - lol.

PS Is this you on a good or a bad day?

http://www.online-literature.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1134&pictureid=9025

[Varenne Rodin]

Well I can see the logic in a believer in any form of life after death considering suicide a viable option as a transition between alternative states of being, and I can understand why certain belief systems would inhibit suicide for fear of consequences. But for someone who does not believe in an afterlife who wishes just to simply cease to exist in any form in order to escape a life of living hell, it would seem to be a fairly safe bet. Tell me, would you have topped yourself just because you were a Christian, or are you saying that being a Christian is a form of suicide...?

Discuss - lol.

PS Is this you on a good or a bad day?

http://www.online-literature.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1134&pictureid=9025

It's me every day! I love that the statue still sits there in Varenne. Thinking away forever. Perhaps if I put enough of myself into sculpture, I will last forever too.

Life on earth isn't a hell for me, I just assume it is for suicidal people. In answer to the Christian questions, I was raised Christian but I was very bad at it because it made no sense to me. It was a miserable feeling. Would the fear of punishment have stopped me from suicide, as a Christian? No. Really, I think if people are wanting to kill themselves, they need a different answer than "Don't do it because you'll go to hell!"

[Varenne Rodin]

Maybe something like, "I love you, and you make my world more beautiful. Please don't die now."

[Delta40]

Bureaucracy in the sense of insurance disclaimers for death by suicide certainly seem to support the idea of eternal damnation!

[Hawkman]

Maybe something like, "I love you, and you make my world more beautiful. Please don't die now."

It would certainly be a compelling argument to me, but as no one has, or is likely to say it to me it's a wonder I'm still here. I put it down to plain bloody mindedness on my part.

PS would you care to share some pickies of your work?


Bureaucracy in the sense of insurance disclaimers for death by suicide certainly seem to support the idea of eternal damnation!

That's not bureaucracy, Delta - it's good old capitalist greed. Any excuse to take your money and not pay up :D

[Varenne Rodin]

It would certainly be a compelling argument to me, but as no one has, or is likely to say it to me it's a wonder I'm still here. I put it down to plain bloody mindedness on my part.

PS would you care to share some pickies of your work?

I love you, Hawkman, and you make my world more beautiful. Please don't die now.

Now someone has said it to you. :)

I'll share some sculpture pictures when I complete some things I'm working on. Thank you for asking.

[YesNo]

Do you think it's true that suicides are condemned to an eternity of administration posts in the bureaucracy of the afterlife and is this fate ultimately dependent on what religion they belonged to when they were alive?
I think that near death and shared death experiences confirm sufficiently, for my taste at least, that death is not the end. So there is an afterlife, like it or not. I think we also had a beforelife and our current lives are not the first time we've been around the block.

With regards to this afterlife, religion might be helpful, but I don't think it is necessary. Religious practices that assume others will go to some sort of hell if they don't believe this or that doctrine are the kinds of practices that are likely to hurt one more than help one. Religious practices that focus the mind through mantra recitation, meditation and service would appeal to me more.

With those assumptions, suicide seems useless. We can't really die and we will just be coming back in some other form. Perhaps the main punishment would be coming back in a form that is worse than the one we are in now. This should be enough to make potential suicides try to find out what they should be doing with their lives rather than how they should end it.

[Hawkman]

Varenne: Forgive me, dear lady, if after what is after all, so brief an acquaintance, I am not entirely convinced of your sincerity, although I appreciate the effort to cheer me up- lol. As someone who has, in his time, killed and eaten a number of small, fluffy animals and brightly coloured birds (and thoroughly enjoyed it) I suspect that as a self-proclaimed vegitarian, such feelings as stated by you for me, would not be sustainable! :bawling:

However, I shall await the pickies with baited breath.

Y/N: as you can see from the latter part of my reply above, karmicly I'm screwed! I shall probably come back as a pheasant or a rabbit.

Most people would appear to have a highly developed sense of self-preservation though. Even in the face of unimaginably horrific certain death, they squeaze every last second from their time. Of course the means to commit the act quickly and cleanly is not always available to them but, as it is said, hope springs eternal in the human breast. They refuse to believe the reality of their circumstances and expect to survive perhaps.

Assuming the premise that suicide will result in an eternity as an administrator in hell or limbo, Do those who commit suicide as a selfless act, get let off? I was thinking of those agents who take the cyanide pill rather than be broken by interrogation, in order to protect their contacts.

[prendrelemick]

And I thought Cuicides was some Greek Philosopher or other.

[YesNo]

Assuming the premise that suicide will result in an eternity as an administrator in hell or limbo, Do those who commit suicide as a selfless act, get let off? I was thinking of those agents who take the cyanide pill rather than be broken by interrogation, in order to protect their contacts.
Obviously, I don't know, but I suspect suicide as a selfless act would generate different karma than one done from despair, which is basically selfish, although extremely painful.

It sounds like a nice punishment to become an administrator in hell as a result of suicide. I'm reminded of a South Park movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158983/) where Saddam Husein goes to hell only to torment the devil, but that is a bit off-topic and I might have got the movies mixed up.

[Hawkman]

And I thought Cuicides was some Greek Philosopher or other.

Sadly the relevence of this remark has become redundant owing to the spontaneous good offices of an un-known moderator.


It sounds like a nice punishment to become an administrator in hell as a result of suicide. I'm reminded of a South Park movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158983/) where Saddam Husein goes to hell only to torment the devil, but that is a bit off-topic and I might have got the movies mixed up.

I believe it was "South Park, Bigger, Longer, Uncut." I don't think tormenting the Devil is quite the right description though. Anyway, Sadam got his come-uppance - lol.

[cl154576]

This is even more off topic, but I had to ask; apologies in advance ...


Obviously, I don't know, but I suspect suicide as a selfless act would generate different karma than one done from despair, which is basically selfish, although extremely painful.

So if I killed myself right now, and no one at all even noticed or cared, that would be selfish?
Wouldn't it be more selfish to go on living as a totally useless, valueless thing, and every day wasting resources that could be given to someone worthy of life – someone who would at least be missed if (s)he died?