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dfloyd
06-12-2011, 08:59 PM
I have discovered another novel of the Tudor period which may be even better than Mantel's. While looking into the fall of Cromwell and the rise and fall of Katherine Howard, I kept running into a mention of The Fifth Queen by Ford Madox Ford, the fifth queen being the fifth wife of Henry VIII. So I googled the book and found it was a trilogy about Katherine Howard with all three books published under the title of The Fifth Queen. So I checked our library and found the book. I am now about 1/2 way through its 500 plus pages.

I had read The Good Soldier by Ford, but I wasn't aware he had written a historical novel of the Tudor period. The reviews I read criticized the novel for portraying Howard other than an adulterous teenager executed by Henry for treason, Howard having an aulterous affair with her cousin, Thomas Culpepper. Then I read the last review which convinced me to read the book.

It was by no less an author than the renowned Graham Greene. Greene said it was the second best novel by Ford (The Good Soldier being the first). Whether or not Ford took the wrong tack on Howard, the novel has scintillating dialog and makes the sixteenth century court of Henry VIII come alive. It is like reading a novel by Shakespeare.

I am thoroughly enjoying the novel, and what it has in common with Mantel's novel is that there are no characters who didn't actually live in the reign of Henry VIII. It is fast moving and the dialog is excellent. If you liked Wolf Hall, you will also like The Fifth Queen.

mal4mac
06-14-2011, 12:32 PM
I read Wolf Hall recently, and greatly enjoyed it - almost as much as "The One Thousand Autumns of Jacob de Zoet" by David 'Cloud Atlas' Mitchell, which is a marvel of originality. Zoet is now my joint favourite historical novel (along-side Barnaby Rudge.) Wolf Hall runs them close though...

dfloyd
06-14-2011, 01:46 PM
I think you'll like it. I have to read Barnaby Rudge, the only Dickens I haven't read. I can't make up my mind which is the best Dickens' novel. While I've enjoyed them all, I think the best lies between Great Expectations and Bleak House. But then there's A Tale of Two Cities .....

mal4mac
06-17-2011, 11:05 AM
I think you'll like it. I have to read Barnaby Rudge, the only Dickens I haven't read. I can't make up my mind which is the best Dickens' novel. While I've enjoyed them all, I think the best lies between Great Expectations and Bleak House. But then there's A Tale of Two Cities .....

I think it's between Bleak House and David Copperfield, but then there's another 11 novels competing for that title... not including A Tale of Two Cities, which (for me) competes with Dombey and Son for 16th place,.... for me, Barnaby Rudge is far superior to A Tale of Two Cities in the 'historical novel' stakes - the characters are far more interesting and Dickens is on home turf...

The only Dickens novel I haven't read is 'Our Mutual Friend', I keep on putting it off because it will mean 'no more NEW Dickens'...

Drkshadow03
06-17-2011, 11:22 AM
The only Dickens novel I haven't read is 'Our Mutual Friend', I keep on putting it off because it will mean 'no more NEW Dickens'...

Ok, Desmond Hume . . . :smilewinkgrin:

dfloyd
06-17-2011, 11:54 PM
conversly, the worst. Near the top, I would place Bleak House and Great Expectations. Clustered in the upper half, are Our Mutual Friend, A Tale of Two Cities, and David Copperfield. In the middle are Martin Chizzlehit, Nicholas Nickleby, Little Dorrit, and Hard Times. Toward the bottom are The Old Curiosity Shoppe, Dombey and Sons, and Oliver Twist. Pickwick Papers stands by itself since it is a comedic novel unlike any others. Barnaby Rudge I haven't read. the novel he was writing when he died can't be rated since it was barely started.

But why rate any of his work? They are all good, no matter what your preference. And what an array of characters, both villains and heros from Fagin and Bill Sykes to Sidney Carton and David Copperfield. From Madame De Farge to Miss Prynne and Miss Haversham. Estella, Pip, Magwich, and Herbert Pocket. Lord and Lady Dedlock and Lawyer Tulkinghorn. One could go on and on.