Osama Bin Laden is Dead

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Yay. . . ?

[MystyrMystyry]

Maybe - death being too good for him, and now he's a martyr which is what the U.S. tried to avoid - but still the majority of the sane world will be grateful

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I have mixed feelings. I don't feel "happy." I can't recall ever feeling happy about someone's death. I do feel "justice" was done (though, as you say MM, probably too good for him). I just feel kind of disturbed at all the "Hooray" and "USA, USA!" status updates that are currently flooding my Facebook news page. I don't know, I just don't think death is something to be celebrated, ever. I'm a bleeding hear, tree huggin; hippy liberal like that.

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[JuniperWoolf]

It does feel weird being happy that someone is dead, but... yeah, I'm happy. I don't know. He was a mass murderer. I trained a kid when I was a teenage cadet sergeant who grew up to step on a land mine in Afghanistan last year. So many people have had bad things happen to them personally because of the Taliban that I'm okay with the celebration of the death of their leader. It'd be hard not to be happy when the person who is directly or indirectly responsible for the death or dismemberment of one of your friends or family members got shot.

Also, although this might be veering towards politics, I just liked how Obama specified once again that there is no war against Islam, but rather that Osama Bin Laden was a "killer of Muslims."

[Maximilianus]

Besides the Southpark footage of the guy's execution, has anyone actually seen the fellow's corpse? And even so, and without any intention to be pessimistic, how can anyone assure it's actually HIS corpse?

Anyways, these folks must have spare leaders to follow. I mean, in Occident we have means to get a spare president when our presidents die, so these folks must have a similar replacement system... I guess.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Also, although this might be veering towards politics, I just liked how Obama specified once again that there is no war against Islam, but rather that Osama Bin Laden was a "killer of Muslims."
I also liked that. Of course, many Republicans, conservatives, and surely a few democrats would like him to say the opposite.

And, I also think you're completely right about people who have lost a loved one in 9/11 or the war it caused, or even people who know people that have lost a loved one, feeling different. I have no close personal connection to anyone who died on 9/11 or in the war on terror, and I'm sure if I did my feelings would be different.

I'd say the feeling his death evokes in me is solemn satisfaction.

[JuniperWoolf]

Besides the Southpark footage of the guy's execution, has anyone actually seen the fellow's corpse? And even so, and without any intention to be pessimistic, how can anyone assure it's actually HIS corpse?

Anyways, these folks must have spare leaders to follow. I mean, in Occident we have means to get a spare president when our presidents die, so these folks must have a similar replacement system... I guess.

^Good points, both. I imagine there will be "is it really Osama?" conspiracy theories for quite a while.


I'd say the feeling his death evokes in me is solemn satisfaction.

*nod* Yeah, it definately if anything is good to know at least what happened. It wasn't very satisfying trying to convince myself "well, he must have died of kidney failure or something by now" whenever I was feeling curious.

[Delta40]

hah! Will the war stop now so we can say it was worth it?

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Yes, kidney failure always felt, for lack of a better word, lame.

Besides the Southpark footage of the guy's execution, has anyone actually seen the fellow's corpse? And even so, and without any intention to be pessimistic, how can anyone assure it's actually HIS corpse?
No one can be sure. Even if they have footage of him being killed and showing his dead corpse, and then they flew said corpse back to the USA for DNA testing, and said DNA testing confirmed that it was, in fact, Bin Laden, some still wouldn't be sure. The footage was fake. The corpse was faked. The DNA test was a sham. All conspiracy theories that would develop.

I think one thing can be certain, though, and that is Obama and the US government are confident enough that either he is in fact dead, or that he will never resurface to make this announcement. Of course, people will claim he's alive, and pictures will show up of him, always fuzzy (think Elvis), but nothing concrete. I tend to dismiss conspiracy theories (i.e., Oswald shot Kennedy and we did land on the moon), so I think he has been killed.

hah! Will the war stop now so we can say it was worth it?
No.

[Maryd.]

Besides the Southpark footage of the guy's execution, has anyone actually seen the fellow's corpse? And even so, and without any intention to be pessimistic, how can anyone assure it's actually HIS corpse?

Heathcliff just asked the same question.

Not far from where we live in Melbourne, there are over 50 or more men who are a mirror image of him. At one stage I thought I was buying chicken off the man.


Anyways, these folks must have spare leaders to follow. I mean, in Occident we have means to get a spare president when our presidents die, so these folks must have a similar replacement system... I guess.

No doubt this is not the end of it.

[JuniperWoolf]

They DID match the DNA of the corpse to Osama Bin Laden's sister though (I guess). But, apparently he's also one of fifty siblings. *shrug* I'm sure we'll hear much more about it over the next century or so of conspiracy theories.

[Themis]

In all honesty, people who celebrate someone's death worry me. Regardless of how well deserved that death might have been.

Ad topic: If he is indeed dead, I would've kept this to myself. Nothing good can come out of this.

[Lokasenna]

I think it is good thing, though I have my reservations. Ideally, I would like to have seen him arrested and tried in an international court.

Still, blood will have blood.

[Maryd.]

In all honesty, people who celebrate someone's death worry me. Regardless of how well deserved that death might have been.

Ad topic: If he is indeed dead, I would've kept this to myself. Nothing good can come out of this.

Yes you are right on both counts... Celebrating a death is not a good thing.

And I definitely don't think this is the end; not at all.

[Delta40]

Yes you are right on both counts... Celebrating a death is not a good thing.

And I definitely don't think this is the end; not at all.

but we HAVE stopped picking on Justin Bieber.....:smile5:

[kiki1982]

I think I would also have kept this to myself, although the question is how long it could have been kept a secret. Cheering crowds in front of the whitehouse are not the thing you want to reassure muslims across the world that America does not want to kill them all or something. I am sure the president means what he says, but do his subjects also know that? I am afraid the answer must be no in most cases.

While I know that he was killed in a cross shooting, I have my reservations about how that was done. I mean, shooting someone in the head is something you do not do unless there is serious danger to your troops because he is holding a gun, bazooka or whatever else dangerous. You only immobilise so as to capture. That is international law. Whether it was accident or not, it will just get pulled into the 'execution' camp anyway.

The death of Bin Laden will provoke rage more than anything in the East and he will have been replaced already.

I am just not confident that it was all worth it.

I would think a lower profile is the only thing that will calm extremists down. Not to say that I am afraid, but aggravating anyone by attacking them because they have another view on things than you, isn't a good thing.

[Scheherazade]

I am very disappointed.


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