Justin Bieber Egged in Sydney! MystyrMstyry Says: Good One!

[MystyrMystyry]

Good One!

[Delta40]

Sock Puppet says: What a waste of perfectly good eggs!

[OrphanPip]

He's a minor who hasn't done anything particularly horrible so I don't get what is so great about egging him. Especially if it was adults doing it...

[JuniperWoolf]

Yeah, I always felt squirmy about Bieber. He's what, fifteen? And people get their rocks off by dissin' him constantly. Some people are in desperate need of lives.

[MystyrMystyry]

I agree - Bieber, get a life and stop thieving from those children!

[Lokasenna]

Having never heard of this individual, I've just wikied the name. Then I've listened to a song on Youtube.

Is this some sort of hoax? Surely this cannot be real? All I can see is some baby-faced munchkin of indeterminate gender wittering soporifically over a background beat. How old is s/he? 12? 13? This video has had 238 million views - that's getting on for four times the population of my country. This has got to be some sort of internet prank.

I'm asking in all seriousness - is this for real?

[Maryd.]

Well regardless of his songs and who he is... It's very childish and cowardly behaviour to do that to a young man... Not even 18 yet. Really they should be ashamed of themselves!!!

[YesNo]

My niece likes him. She's 7 or 8 years old.

Although I don't enjoy listening to him myself, I don't see any reason for someone to throw eggs at him.

I'm reading Joyce's Ulysses at the moment because of a different thread and I wonder which artist I dislike more: Joyce or Bieber? At least I understand what Bieber is singing about, but could I listen to him as often as my niece does?

[Delta40]

Uhm perhaps society really does miss Sunday executions in the town square?

[Emil Miller]

Just remember that everytime he's mentioned, for whatever reason, the people who are selling him notch up another dollar.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Having never heard of this individual, I've just wikied the name. Then I've listened to a song on Youtube.

Is this some sort of hoax? Surely this cannot be real? All I can see is some baby-faced munchkin of indeterminate gender wittering soporifically over a background beat. How old is s/he? 12? 13? This video has had 238 million views - that's getting on for four times the population of my country. This has got to be some sort of internet prank.

I'm asking in all seriousness - is this for real?
You aren't well-versed in American teeny-bopper music, are you? He is not a joke, at least to girls aged 14-or-so and under, which is the only target audience (though his multiple Grammy nominations are lamentable--though, it more like just shows the idiocy of The Grammys). He's popular now, but in a year or so he will be replaced. We've had The Jonas Brother, Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, Hansen (still making music, believe it or not), and before that New Kids on the Block (also still touring, where adult women go out of some sort of bizzarre nostalgia). It is just another wonderful facet of American culture.

As to Bieber getting egged, I have to say I don't agree with it. Do I hate his music? Yes. Do I think he's part of the woeful state of popular music? Yes. But do I hate him? No. Millions love his music, and good for them. I don't care, really. And it isn't his fault, either.

[Lokasenna]

Gosh, that really is surprising. But, to hold up someone that young in a world of utterly manufactured, synthetic music is cruel thing to do.

And thus we set up idols, that they may fall.

[Calidore]

In my day, it was Shaun Cassidy and Leif Garrett, among others. And it's hardly a U.S. thing; Japan's disposable teenage idols are a huge industry in themselves. I'm sure every country has its stars-of-the-moment.

[OrphanPip]

It's not really an American thing though, he's had a sold out world tour, including in the UK.

And, technically, Bieber is Canadian.

Edit: Calidore is right too, bubble gum pop is hardly new or an American phenomena.

[Emil Miller]

It is just another wonderful facet of American culture.

I'm just wondering at the 'wonderful' and why the prefix 'sub' hasn't been added to the word culture.

[Delta40]

Gosh, that really is surprising. But, to hold up someone that young in a world of utterly manufactured, synthetic music is cruel thing to do.

And thus we set up idols, that they may fall.

I agree. The parents should have been egged before their little goldmine copped it

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I'm just wondering at the 'wonderful' and why the prefix 'sub' hasn't been added to the word culture.
I was being sarcastic. And as for not adding "-sub," pop music is a pretty big part of American culture. Nearly everyone knows who Bieber is.

But, you guys are right, it isn't really an "American" thing in terms of exclusivity, but a corporate created money-machine is definitely an American-made concept.

[Emil Miller]

... but a corporate created money-machine is definitely an American-made concept.

And there you have it in a nutshell.

[MystyrMystyry]

It's only eggs, not like poison darts or a ritual stoning or something

(...actually...)

And as for his future he's already sold out too many concerts and too many itunes

Who knows - perhaps one day he'll get in a studio and produce something remarkable - or, as is more likely, buy a studio and keep producing his own style of pap and have others perform it, and so the cycle continues

You want to lament the lamentable state of popular culture - I'm aware it's been ever thus, and yes it's a free world mostly (?) and we are talking merely light entertainment, and yes The Bieb won't be the last to cop an egging, and no his contribution and crimes aren't as bad as say the latest serial psycho...

It is sad that if we were to forcibly remove him someone probably worse would fill the void (hard to conceive of worse in this context)

Some may try to come to the defense of the indefensible, and others choose to ignore it, and still others throw eggs at it while others applaud and laugh

And it is not as though quality entertainment doesn't appear in the popular
ocean but this isn't about subjectivity versus objectivity - it's about pure evil in Bieber form

His life with those undeserved millions shall henceforth be a charmed one, everything he chooses to do will be a breeze and if he elects to read a book he can spare himself the effort and invest in a rotten cinematisation of it, or if he wants to represent Canada in hockey he can just buy the team

But maybe that's what it is - why the Canadians don't mind him - because he's largely amassing his millions from American children, not Canadian children, and will thusly be helping their economy to some degree (should he remember to pay his taxes)

Probably why it was appropriate for him to be egged in Australia - it wouldn't have happened anywhere else

[OrphanPip]

"It is sad that if we were to forcibly remove him someone probably worse would fill the void (hard to conceive of worse in this context)"

I take it you haven't heard of Cody Simpson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYRNGeIJMiQ&feature=relmfu

Both of them manage to be better than Rebecca Black too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0

[Maryd.]

Doesn't matter who he is... Nobody deserves to be egged, least of all a minor. It's appalling behaviour... Plus my theory is jealousy. The boy is singing songs and entertaining. He's cute to other teens and he is a good role model; neat, clean and friendly. What's more is his songs are easy flowing for the youth of today.

As Orphanpip says, there could be worse role models.

[MystyrMystyry]

@OrpanPip - pretty appalling, though fortunately not as popular as Beebie

@Maryd. - he's not a role model, just a cash in on the phenomena of mass madness which he is perpetuating

The girls who think they're in love with him are in fact wanting to be with someone who seems to be a somebody amongst the mass of extended peers - of course in the back of their minds it can never happen but taking advantage of anyone who suffers from wishing for the impossible is as bad a priest who'll use his position to plunder the church coffers to furnish his nest while the parish subsist on baked beans

The only correct option for Beebzibub to do is bow out and allow children to enjoy their childhood in a normal way

[Delta40]

I guess the point is this culture should NOT allow parents to EXPLOIT their childrens' childhood for $$$$$$.

[MystyrMystyry]

Quite correct Delta - but further to this argument is that I've heard of no arrests, and suspect that the egg throwers were probably in his employ (roadies or stage hands?) who were given the order to begin hurling at a specific point in the show by either himself or management to create a news buzz (all publicity is good publicity)

A raw egg isn't going to hurt as much nor even be anywhere near as potentially lethal as a packed snowball, but it will still garner sympathy from the audience

[OrphanPip]

The girls who think they're in love with him are in fact wanting to be with someone who seems to be a somebody amongst the mass of extended peers - of course in the back of their minds it can never happen but taking advantage of anyone who suffers from wishing for the impossible is as bad a priest who'll use his position to plunder the church coffers to furnish his nest while the parish subsist on baked beans

The only correct option for Beebzibub to do is bow out and allow children to enjoy their childhood in a normal way

That's just ridiculously hyperbolic. He sells pop music, he's not taking advantage of anyone :rolleyes:.

[Maryd.]

@Maryd. - he's not a role model, just a cash in on the phenomena of mass madness which he is perpetuating

The girls who think they're in love with him are in fact wanting to be with someone who seems to be a somebody amongst the mass of extended peers - of course in the back of their minds it can never happen but taking advantage of anyone who suffers from wishing for the impossible is as bad a priest who'll use his position to plunder the church coffers to furnish his nest while the parish subsist on baked beans

The only correct option for Beebzibub to do is bow out and allow children to enjoy their childhood in a normal way

Deary me Mr Mystery. I am also a mother of child singer, not a child star, but singer none the less. He is not out for child stardum, nor cashing in... As a parent of an up and rising star. I can honestly say that you may have confused stardom and a one off pop star. Clearly the young lad has talent and the looks... And now the cash. If he is cashing in and/or his parents are... That's their perogative. I bet they've put a lot of work into his talent. My son has been singing since he was 5 years old and still does. 8 years after his first singing lesson, he made a whole $100.00 at a singing competition... That's not even a smidgen of what we have paid for in singing lessons. Or worth all the effort he has put into his singing over the past 8 years. I am a grand lover of encouraging our young. Mr Bieber is on stage entertaining, not on our streets, reeking havock. I say let the young lad sing and not be egged, just because he has talent!

[MystyrMystyry]

Yes he is - his reputation is built as much on the 'disBeliebers' as the 'Beliebers' if not more so - have a guernsey again at the yuotueb likes vs dislikes and browse the comments - his entire success is based on whatever works works

Look at the big picture - he rides the nice boy image in the face of adversity and creams it for all it's worth

On the opposite scale there were bad boy bands who relied more on wholesale destruction of hotel suites (Led Zeppelin nailng the furniture to the ceiling, Keith Moon throwing a plugged in television into the swimming pool to see what would happen, Mick Jagger making a solemn vow to do whatever it took to keep his and the band's name in the papers at least once a day)

The whole thing is manufactured crap - if there'd been no incident the concert would have come and gone and been forgotten overnight - Beeblepops is reliant on publicity at whatever cost, however feeble

There's no 'event' about it, no amazing laser light show or theatrics, spellbinding musicality or incredible backup chorus - it's cheap cheap cheap and nasty nasty nasty!

[Maryd.]

Yes he is - his reputation is built as much on the 'disBeliebers' as the 'Beliebers' if not more so - have a guernsey again at the yuotueb likes vs dislikes and browse the comments - his entire success is based on whatever works works

Look at the big picture - he rides the nice boy image in the face of adversity and creams it for all it's worth

On the opposite scale there were bad boy bands who relied more on wholesale destruction of hotel suites (Led Zeppelin nailng the furniture to the ceiling, Keith Moon throwing a plugged in television into the swimming pool to see what would happen, Mick Jagger making a solemn vow to do whatever it took to keep his and the band's name in the papers at least once a day)

The whole thing is manufactured crap - if there'd been no incident the concert would have come and gone and been forgotten overnight - Beeblepops is reliant on publicity at whatever cost, however feeble

There's no 'event' about it, no amazing laser light show or theatrics, spellbinding musicality or incredible backup chorus - it's cheap cheap cheap and nasty nasty nasty!

Well... Clearly MM I'm not going to win this... Though I am not after a winning discussion here. I just want to say one thing. I was once informed that this is a public forum, therefore whatever is written here can be seen worldwide. In the words of the young, "Fully sick mate!" You started a thread using the name "Justin Bieber" and as you say, it may be a negative thread, but it is a form of advertising the young lads name. Congratulations on joining the fellow "Youtuber's" who have bagged him as you have. At the same time as advertising him... Well done MM.

[YesNo]

Barney used to drive me nuts when my children were infants, but they enjoyed watching that dinosaur on TV and I don't think it did them any harm.

I look at Bieber in the same way as I do Barney except the audience is 5 to 10 years older.

So what specifically is wrong with Bieber outside of the fact that he is successful?

And if not Bieber, who would you like to see in his place?

[MystyrMystyry]

Sorry Mary - you submitted at the same time I did - but yes in a small regard he is a role model, but there are far better role models in the world of popular arts, Bieber has exceedingly limited 'talent' and is ony being discussed because he obviously cannot distinguish between quality and lack thereof

Thus I say whatever works works

I sincerely hope Snape becomes a great role model and I have no doubt he shall, but I also hope he remembers the importance of talent ahead of 'just being in it for the money' (something I also know to be true - that he has genuine talent)

[Maryd.]

Barney used to drive me nuts when my children were infants, but they enjoyed watching that dinosaur on TV and I don't think it did them any harm.

I look at Bieber in the same way as I do Barney except the audience is 5 to 10 years older.

So what specifically is wrong with Bieber outside of the fact that he is successful?

And if not Bieber, who would you like to see in his place?

My point exactly YesNo... :)

[MystyrMystyry]

I'd personally like to see more of this type of thing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sn1UqbbbqQ

[Maryd.]

Sorry Mary - you submitted at the same time I did - but yes in a small regard he is a role model, but there are far better role models in the world of popular arts, Bieber has exceedingly limited 'talent' and is ony being discussed because he obviously cannot distinguish between quality and lack thereof

Thus I say whatever works works

I sincerely hope Snape becomes a great role model and I have no doubt he shall, but I also hope he remembers the importance of talent ahead of 'just being in it for the money' (something I also know to be true - that he has genuine talent)

Yes MM, Snape has talent, (but I am biased) he also knows he has a long way to go, before he is (I dare say) in the limelight. He knows that practice makes perfect. Have you heard him sing? Not Mr Beiber; my son that is... If not then how would you know he has genuine talent.

Justin Bieber may just be a "child star", but he can sing and he has talent. Mind you it's not my kind of music, at any rate, but he can sing.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I'd personally like to see more of this type of thing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sn1UqbbbqQ
I love the irony.

Personally, I'd like to see more of this type of thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmfzWpp0hMc
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmfzWpp0hMc)

[MystyrMystyry]

He can make a noise in front of a microphone and audience, granted - that's part of the trick - whether it is a good noise is another question - but in Beeblebubbles' case it's invalid because of the forms he warbles in - due to the 'songs' being written and composed to his limitations

Can he hold a note? No! Does he possess a good range? No! Does he have a commanding presence? No! Does he have a great signature piece under his belt? No!

What he has is 'Baby Baby Baby' which while catchy in a jingle sort of measure, is neither great songwriting nor vocal performance (nor dancing either for that matter - but hey he's a boy who dances which gets him mystical alien points)

Maybe this is the thing - if you have no talent but don't care, you too can be as (un)popular as Beebs and any other pretender - perhaps there's a chace that he is geninely too dense to realise he has no talent because his cronies keep telling him he's amazing, but listen to the Butterfly Ball and tell me it doesn't deserve at least as many views as he B's rubbish

[Maryd.]

He can make a noise in front of a microphone and audience, granted - that's part of the trick - whether it is a good noise is another question - but in Beeblebubbles' case it's invalid because of the forms he warbles in - due to the 'songs' being written and composed to his limitations

Can he hold a note? No! Does he possess a good range? No! Does he have a commanding presence? No! Does he have a great signature piece under his belt? No!

What he has is 'Baby Baby Baby' which while catchy in a jingle sort of measure, is neither great songwriting nor vocal performance (nor dancing either for that matter - but hey he's a boy who dances which gets him mystical alien points)

Maybe this is the thing - if you have no talent but don't care, you too can be as (un)popular as Beebs and any other pretender - perhaps there's a chace that he is geninely too dense to realise he has no talent because his cronies keep telling him he's amazing, but listen to the Butterfly Ball and tell me it doesn't deserve at least as many views as he B's rubbish

(Sigh) And you didn't answer my question... Ooops! And in the words of my daughter "Owned" . Youth jargon cracks me up. Hahaha

[MystyrMystyry]

I'd lean toward that too Mutatis - but in the sphere of simple pop tunes give me Dio's larynx and clever animation over an inanimate popular potatohead who must be taking pills to prevent his voice breaking

[Maryd.]

I'd lean toward that too Mutatis - but in the sphere of simple pop tunes give me Dio's larynx and clever animation over an inanimate popular potatohead who must be taking pills to prevent his voice breaking

Ugh! Insults, insults... The poor boy.

[Delta40]

Ok we've made an omelette out of this mess but I don't think a teen idol deserves this much discussion!

[Maryd.]

Ok we've made an omelette out of this mess but I don't think a teen idol deserves this much discussion!

Oh, of course he does... Well, MM seems to think so anyway... Come MM, give me more. I'm waiting.

Oh this being a cold hard faced ***** is fun...

Bring on MM Hahahaha

[Delta40]

lol. I hate the kids hair. Can't he comb it back instead of forward?

[Maryd.]

lol. I hate the kids hair. Can't he comb it back instead of forward?

Oh paleasssse... Get with the fashion woman... Hahahaha

[MystyrMystyry]

Another crock!

Actually the Beatles invented the fringe - well their photographer did when she suggested they comb their greasebacked ducktails forward to achieve a look unique to them, as virtually every other band in the fifities tried to look like Elvis too

I did come across a website with a shave his head game that was quite amusing

[Maryd.]

Another crock!

Actually the Beatles invented the fringe - well their photographer did when she suggested they comb their greasebacked ducktails forward to achieve a look unique to them, as virtually every other band in the fifities tried to look like Elvis too

I did come across a website with a shave his head game that was quite amusing

Is your's shaved... Maybe you can be a child star.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

While I don't think the kid should be humiliated by egg throwing, MM is correct in everything he's said, Maryd. Bieber is complete and utter **** (that's the "s" word, fyi). He can only hold a note due to an auto-tuner, he doesn't have an stage presence or endearing off-stage personality, he dances like every other dance of his ilk, the songs he performs (that he doesn't write) are some of the most formulaic and trite schlock that has ever been produced, and, to top it all off, he has fooled many into thinking he's a good drummer. He's truly horrible. He's a blight on music.

[Maryd.]

While I don't think the kid should be humiliated by egg throwing, MM is correct in everything he's said, Maryd. Bieber is complete and utter **** (that's the "s" word, fyi). He can only hold a note due to an auto-tuner, he doesn't have an stage presence or endearing off-stage personality, he dances like every other dance of his ilk, the songs he performs (that he doesn't write) are some of the most formulaic and trite schlock that has ever been produced, and, to top it all off, he has fooled many into thinking he's a good drummer. He's truly horrible. He's a blight on music.

Well. If that be the case then that's a lot of fooled people. Again, not my kind of music. I'm merely stating a fact. Everybody bags him, but he's doing well. Sydny egged him, but he's still doing well. I am an Aussie and I would not like to be known as the type of person that would egg anyone... Least of all a minor... It was innapropriate and embarrassing behaviour.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

He doesn't have anyone fooled. He has the adulation of millions of young girls who's musical tastes are still developing, and who, most likely, love him for his looks and hair. Get a chubby get with a buzz-cut to sing the exact same songs the exact same way with the exact same voice, and he's be nowhere.

And, that's fine. All the popularity he gets, good for him. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking he produces good music, no matter if the pitiful Grammys nominate him or not.

[Maryd.]

If he's is nominated for a grammy and wins one or two. Then we'll see who has egg in their faces.

[JuniperWoolf]

Having never heard of this individual, I've just wikied the name. Then I've listened to a song on Youtube.

Is this some sort of hoax? Surely this cannot be real? All I can see is some baby-faced munchkin of indeterminate gender wittering soporifically over a background beat. How old is s/he? 12? 13? This video has had 238 million views - that's getting on for four times the population of my country. This has got to be some sort of internet prank.

I'm asking in all seriousness - is this for real?

Haha, wow. I thought that I was out of the mainstream by not knowing anything about Charlie Sheen or what an iPad is, but you my friend must live in a cave!

Dissing any pop culture icon is such an easy way to establish your identity as "edgy" (notice the sarcastic quotation marks) and boost your self-esteem. It's like counter-culture mob mentality, which yes, is weird (you see the same thing with Twilight - "oh, look at how smart and sophisticated I am because I hate Twilight"). It's like... taking the easy route to make other people believe that you have an actual personality. I've heard way more full grown men in the eighteen to thirty-five bracket bashing this cute little underage cash cow than I have under-fourteen preteen girls going nuts.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Haha, wow. I thought that I was out of the mainstream by not knowing anything about Charlie Sheen or what an iPad is, but you my friend must live in a cave!
A wonderful, wonderful cave. :lol:

I've heard way more full grown men in the eighteen to thirty-five bracket bashing this cute little underage cash cow than I have under-fourteen preteen girls going nuts.
Teach a high school freshman class for a week or so. It'll balance out quite quickly.

[JuniperWoolf]

Haha, point taken.