revenge

[virginiawang]

What do you think about revenge? May I have some of your opinions? I think it is a must under some circumstances.

[YesNo]

What do you think about revenge? May I have some of your opinions? I think it is a must under some circumstances.

I prefer to leave revenge in karma's hands so I don't generate the desire for even more revenge. I don't know if I always succeed.

What circumstances are you referring to?

[virginiawang]

I might have died if I had not revenged.
Now I really want to revenge more, upon one of my parents who bullied me again.

[YesNo]

I might have died if I had not revenged.
Now I really want to revenge more, upon one of my parents who bullied me again.

I suspect self-defense isn't revenge.

[Emmy Castrol]

If revenge is dealt in equal measurement to the harm inflicted, this is justice. The problem with justice is that I don't believe any human, or any court, is able to accurately assess at what level an equal measurement actually is.

The problem with revenge is that it is a vicious cycle. Everytime you seek to bestow 'revenge' upon one who has wronged you, it is not usually in equal measurement to the extent of the wrong inflicted. It has to be more in order to satisfy ourselves. Now, if this turned out to be the behaviour of each party involved, you can see how each act of revenge must be bigger and more harmful than the last. The difference between the rightful amount of revenge and the actual inflicted amount of revenge will often translate into a feeling of guilt. It is very easy to ignore the guilt and furthermore, to justify it; this fuels the hatred, feeding it more and more until we are less ourselves and have become hatred itself...

Well, the above is what I have experienced and felt myself, and from what I've observed watching others. When a person deals an act of revenge, they are taking upon themselves a responsibility, but of such an unknown magnitude that the Christian Jesus advised against it - "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them." I believe this advice was given in the best interest of the human soul, as preferable to being caught in the vicious trap of justice/revenge, and furthermore, attempts to end it, as it is unknown what destruction that spiral may do to the soul.

That said, it depends on the circumstance. For example, the 'slap the other cheek' rule shouldn't be used as mask for cowardice.

[YesNo]

If revenge is dealt in equal measurement to the harm inflicted, this is justice. The problem with justice is that I don't believe any human, or any court, is able to accurately assess at what level an equal measurement actually is.

The problem with revenge is that it is a vicious cycle. Everytime you seek to bestow 'revenge' upon one who has wronged you, it is not usually in equal measurement to the extent of the wrong inflicted. It has to be more in order to satisfy ourselves. Now, if this turned out to be the behaviour of each party involved, you can see how each act of revenge must be bigger and more harmful than the last. The difference between the rightful amount of revenge and the actual inflicted amount of revenge will often translate into a feeling of guilt. It is very easy to ignore the guilt and furthermore, to justify it; this fuels the hatred, feeding it more and more until we are less ourselves and have become hatred itself...

Well, the above is what I have experienced and felt myself, and from what I've observed watching others. When a person deals an act of revenge, they are taking upon themselves a responsibility, but of such an unknown magnitude that the Christian Jesus advised against it - "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them." I believe this advice was given in the best interest of the human soul, as preferable to being caught in the vicious trap of justice/revenge, and furthermore, attempts to end it, as it is unknown what destruction that spiral may do to the soul.

That said, it depends on the circumstance. For example, the 'slap the other cheek' rule shouldn't be used as mask for cowardice.

:iagree:

The only thing I would add about revenge is that it could be something only done in thought. That is, no action or spoken words are involved. One might suspect this is safe, however, I suspect such thought revenge is still damaging to the person who has those thoughts.

The way around revenge is to have something else to focus one's thoughts on. Often this is some sort of religious framework or set of beliefs, something that is more powerful than the desire for revenge.

[IceM]

Revenge indicates a lack of sufficient tolerance at any instantaneous moment.

[Whifflingpin]

Tolerance is possibly not an appropriate response to abusive parents.

More appropriate would be revenge, flight, hate, fear, or forgiveness. Or other responses, but not tolerance.

[IceM]

I have abusive parents. I'm speaking from experience.

[Whifflingpin]

Well - that put me in my place! I bow to your greater experience.

[Armel P]

Revenge indicates a lack of sufficient tolerance at any instantaneous moment.

Revenge and tolerence are not two opposing sides of the coin. One can make a better case for pitting revenge against calculated reason but to imply that one is either vengeful or tolerant is a false dichotomy.

[Emmy Castrol]

Do you think the desire for revenge could stem from a suppression of emotion? Like saving up a whole lot of resentment to be released at some future point... sooner or later, it has to be expressed somehow.

I don't think abusive parents should be tolerated but one should try to understand them and the reasons behind their behaviour (usually insecurity or the subconscious continuation of habit).

I still think that revenge shouldn't be acted upon, if it can be helped. The most healthy thing to do is to move somewhere far, far away from them... and to build up a new life there...

[IceM]

Well - that put me in my place! I bow to your greater experience.


For some reason I smell sarcasm. I'm sure it's not intentional; it's just that one friend I have always says they "bow" to my intelligence when they wish to stop arguing. That reminded me of them, with hopes you aren't being sarcastic.



Revenge and tolerence are not two opposing sides of the coin. One can make a better case for pitting revenge against calculated reason but to imply that one is either vengeful or tolerant is a false dichotomy.

Perhaps they aren't polar opposites. But being able to tolerate means being able to endure. Endurance grants me (personal experience) the ability to forego revenge. As long as I can persevere, I have no reason to retaliate.


Do you think the desire for revenge could stem from a suppression of emotion? Like saving up a whole lot of resentment to be released at some future point... sooner or later, it has to be expressed somehow.

I don't think abusive parents should be tolerated but one should try to understand them and the reasons behind their behaviour (usually insecurity or the subconscious continuation of habit).



Another form of experience: I supress my emotions quite often. Seems coincidental, I'm sure, to have my experiences come up instantaneously.

I've only ever admitted emotional repercussions from my parents to my best friends. But I act perfectly normal. I function very well amongst others. Of course, underlying doubt in oneself, negative self-esteem and an underlying lack of self-worth sometimes aren't easy to detect. I only confess it here under anonymity. But once again, I refer to my ability to tolerate, which I link synonymously to endurance; enduring eliminates revenge. It makes oneself stronger.

Also too, understanding and accepting a parent's reason for abusive behavior is tolerance of their views. I use it loosely, under many pretences, but my ability to endure above all else makes any strife I may have much less of an issue.

[Emmy Castrol]

IceM, I agree in that tolerance - in the form of endurance - does eliminate the need for revenge. Perhaps it is because the act of endurance may be a release of emotion, of channeling it into a more constructive energy form?

[IceM]

I always find endurance to be internal. Newborn sensations and long-standing sentiments must be stored somewhere. My endurance is the ability to psychologically withstand emotional damage by philosophically rationalizing them.

Perhaps the self-satisfaction in knowing one can frequently endure channels out the energy as you suggest. Knowing one can persevere makes persevering easier. I just find myself feeling otherwise.

[jhampton002]

I believe in revenge. It is a natural feel to when someone, or something has done harm to us. But I also think you can take revenge to a level that does not to be reached. Example: Someone steals your lunch money, and you go out and steal their car.

[L€lä RËmØ MÅðçÂ]

AIyah, so long these threads are!

I think revenge is neccessary. The best way is to use their own strategies against them.

[Paulclem]

Revenge is just another name for hatred, but give an honourable spin to make it respectable.

In truth there's no honour in it. Someone commits a despicable act and you react with a despicable act. It's no lss despicable, though the motives are clearer.

What was Sicily like with it's culture of revenge? Vicious if you were caught up in it.

[virgo27]

I believe in revenge under very extraordinary circumstances. If a person is going to act in vengeance, one should be prepared to pay the price resulting in this karma coming back in some indirect way. I also believe that seeking revenge is wrong.

[Atehequa]

In the old days there were raids and counter raids carried out on and by my people. Goods, captives and honor were acquried. Some of this stemmed from revenge, but mostly it was a way of life. War and ancient feuds where the object was not to kill all of the enemy as that would end such a pastime and means to acquire goods, captives and honors.

[G L Wilson]

Revenge is never just.

[Atehequa]

I suppose there are a rare few who have never sought or taken it.

[Paulclem]

I suppose there are a rare few who have never sought or taken it.

There are all kinds of revenges - not just the blood feud, eye for an eye type. It's easy to get verbal revenge on someone, or to wait until they are in a vulnerable position, or to lie in wait until some dispute erupts.

The saying revenge is a dish best eaten cold is such a callous view. Biding one's time in a pre-meditated way until someone shows a vulnerability is very cold blooded.

[Atehequa]

There are all kinds of revenges - not just the blood feud, eye for an eye type.

All kinds indeed

[zoolane]

Do you think the desire for revenge could stem from a suppression of emotion? Like saving up a whole lot of resentment to be released at some future point... sooner or later, it has to be expressed somehow.

I don't think abusive parents should be tolerated but one should try to understand them and the reasons behind their behaviour (usually insecurity or the subconscious continuation of habit).

I still think that revenge shouldn't be acted upon, if it can be helped. The most healthy thing to do is to move somewhere far, far away from them... and to build up a new life there...

I too am speak from personal experience, maybe teenager or child rebellion streak is revenge at time but the resent stay for forever. It disappear when you die or they die which ever come first.

Tolerated is all well good when you are child with them sort parents, also as adult tolerated parents like is unbearable. As for understand why. No one will never be able answer.

Mine revenge is now be parent and adult choose better life for my kids and be able to express my feelings and imagery creative writing which I love.

[zoolane]

What do you think about revenge? May I have some of your opinions? I think it is a must under some circumstances.

Sorry what this got with religious text? If you have put this in sub forum, maybe you should have quote to support why you with in this sub forum?

[G L Wilson]

Sorry what this got with religious text? If you have put this in sub forum, maybe you should have quote to sport why you with in this sub forum?

Religion is a revenge on the brutality of callous men.

[blithe spirit]

Revenge is self serving. Christianity is all about serving God and serving others. It's not about seeking answers, guidance, and direction from within yourself. It's about seeking all those things from god through his word which is the Bible. Our self-centered sin nature always wants to take over but it doesn't serve us well.

[zoolane]

Revenge is self serving. Christianity is all about serving God and serving others. It's not about seeking answers, guidance, and direction from within yourself. It's about seeking all those things from god through his word which is the Bible. Our self-centered sin nature always wants to take over but it doesn't serve us well.

OK Grant, if you beleive god that all well and good. What about if you don't any faith then what? What about if you want retribution of any kind e.g violence, con, out do (keep up with Jones)?

[G L Wilson]

The Christian knows all about violence, he cares to ignore his part in it as is his right, for he actually believes that he can ignore it. He believes a lot of things, none of which are true.

[blithe spirit]

if you beleive god that all well and good. What about if you don't any faith then what? What about if you want retribution of any kind e.g violence, con, out do (keep up with Jones)?
zoolane, that's all sin nature that you mentioned and won't bring you any joy.

[G L Wilson]

zoolane, pray to God, pray to a priest, just pray, just pray. BTW I am being ironic.

[zoolane]

The Christian knows all about violence, he cares to ignore his part in it as is his right, for he actually believes that he can ignore it. He believes a lot of things, none of which are true.

So what said is anyone who seeking revenge should just let go fact of it, true revenge is act all about person who hurt but why should they bring pain to person cause then the pain. If you want example: what country has right to killed person for the crimes they commit. The Christian forgiveness?

[zoolane]

zoolane, that's all sin nature that you mentioned and won't bring you any joy.

I have done all my sins as teenager. Revenge do not seek. Just having discussion.

[G L Wilson]

So what said is anyone who seeking revenge should just let go fact of it, true revenge is act all about person who hurt but why should they bring pain to person cause then the pain. If you want example: what country has right to killed person for the crimes they commit. The Christian forgiveness?

zoolane, you are very close here to what Sir Francis Bacon had to say about revenge.

[Ecurb]

The Christian knows all about violence, he cares to ignore his part in it as is his right, for he actually believes that he can ignore it. He believes a lot of things, none of which are true.

This is mere silliness. Obviously, a great many Christians believe a great many things that are true. Many Christians, for example, believe that Barack Obama is the President of the U.S.

You appear to want to be cryptic, but you are spewing nonsense.

[blithe spirit]

I have done all my sins as teenager.
It's been a long time since I was a teenager and I still sin everyday. Anything that is not pleasing to God is sin. Once we realize we sin then we know we're in need of a savior. Romans 3:28 says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If we do nothing about it then when we die physically, we will also die spiritually for eternity. But there is something we can do if we want eternal life...John 3:16

[G L Wilson]

Many Christians believe Obama is bogus.

[G L Wilson]

It's been a long time since I was a teenager and I still sin everyday. Anything that is not pleasing to God is sin. Once we realize we sin then we know we're in need of a savior. Romans 3:28 says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If we do nothing about it then when we die physically, we will also die spiritually for eternity. But there is something we can do if we want eternal life...John 3:16

You mean 1 John 3: 16, do you not?

[zoolane]

It's been a long time since I was a teenager and I still sin everyday. Anything that is not pleasing to God is sin. Once we realize we sin then we know we're in need of a savior. Romans 3:28 says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If we do nothing about it then when we die physically, we will also die spiritually for eternity. But there is something we can do if we want eternal life...John 3:16

OK everybody does things in everyday life which Christian person would class as sin but personal it human nature it in our genes. How else do learn or teach right from wrong to anyone? Please do not try tell me thought bible.

[G L Wilson]

OK everybody does things in everyday life which Christian person would class as sin but personal it human nature it in our genes. How else do learn or teach right from wrong to anyone? Please do not try tell me thought bible.

Humans begin with a blank slate, zoolane, monkeys begin with the Bible.

[zoolane]

Humans begin with a blank slate, zoo lane, monkeys begin with the Bible.

Actual human evolve from apes like creatures but my question is same.
If apes or humans did not evolve with think for themselves and learn how to live. How was commonsense and know what right and wrong? only because the principal idea for it is human nature like revenge and forgiveness.

See now you going from monkey bible which has only being create in 2010. Obvious you're monkey Christian. Lol.

[Atehequa]

Many Christians believe Obama is bogus.

Just as bogus as the four
before
him

[Ecurb]

Many Christians believe Obama is bogus.

What does that have to do with anything? You said, "(The Christian) believes a lot of things, none of which are true."

This is clearly ridiculous, as can be proved by pointing to one thing "the Christian" believes that is true. Whether "many Christians" believe things that are not true is irrelevent to the fact that your initial statement is clearly not only wrong, but ludicrous.

[G L Wilson]

Name one thing that Christians are right about.

[G L Wilson]

Actual human evolve from apes like creatures but my question is same.
If apes or humans did not evolve with think for themselves and learn how to live. How was commonsense and know what right and wrong? only because the principal idea for it is human nature like revenge and forgiveness.

See now you going from monkey bible which has only being create in 2010. Obvious you're monkey Christian. Lol.

I am a monkey alright but not a Christian. Lol.

If we go right back, we were all fish. You should see their little Christian faces when you drop that one on them.

[zoolane]

I am a monkey alright but not a Christian. Lol.

If we go right back, we were all fish. You should see their little Christian faces when you drop that one on them.

In myth I supposed we are fish but science fic fact prove that reality was that we all monkey in the beginning.

[Ecurb]

Name one thing that Christians are right about.

Now you are simply asking me to repeat myself. Read the darned posts!

[G L Wilson]

Now you are simply asking me to repeat myself. Read the darned posts!

Go back a page.

[Atehequa]

.......

[Ecurb]

OK, whatever you say. "Elinor agreed to it all, for she did not think he deserved the compliment of rational opposition." Sense and Sensibility, Jane Austen.

[G L Wilson]

We're all primates

That's a lie, I'm definitely God.

[Atehequa]

That's a lie, I'm definitely God.


Rewards for the offerings he does give
Are in man's mind where the gods do live

I know it's a lie as humans are primates, but all people are not human

I'm definitely am

[G L Wilson]

Rewards for the offerings he does give
Are in man's mind where the gods do live

I know it's a lie as humans are primates, but all people are not human

I'm definitely am

Spot on, Tinkerbell.

[G L Wilson]

Many Christians believe Obama is black. What does that prove?

[Ecurb]

Many Christians believe Obama is black. What does that prove?

Assuming we agree that Obama is black, it proves that you were incorrect to state, "(The Christian) believes a lot of things, none of which are true."

What part of logical inference do you fail to understand?

[G L Wilson]

Assuming we agree that Obama is black, it proves that you were incorrect to state, "(The Christian) believes a lot of things, none of which are true."

What part of logical inference do you fail to understand?

Assuming we agree that Obama is black, what part of logical inference do you not understand?

[Ecurb]

I understand logical inference quite well, thank you. You said, ""(The Christian) believes a lot of things, none of which are true." If I can find one thing that the Christian believes which is true, your statement is clearly belied. Why is this difficult for you to understand?

[G L Wilson]

I understand logical inference quite well, thank you. You said, ""(The Christian) believes a lot of things, none of which are true." If I can find one thing that the Christian believes which is true, your statement is clearly belied. Why is this difficult for you to understand?

Name one fact a Christian is right about, one!

[Ecurb]

Name one fact a Christian is right about, one!

"Washington D.C. is the capital of the United States."
"Cogito ergo sum."
"The sun is not only bigger than the earth, but it is also farther away."

There are three.

[G L Wilson]

"Washington D.C. is the capital of the United States."
"Cogito ergo sum."
"The sun is not only bigger than the earth, but it is also farther away."

There are three.

Fail :D

[Ecurb]

Fail :D

"Elinor agreed to it all, for she did not think he deserved the compliment of rational opposition." Sense and Sensibility, Jane Austen.

[G L Wilson]

Show me sense and I will show you reason.

[Atehequa]

Spot on, Tinkerbell.


Was that really necessary ?

Wouldn't been better to say you don't want me to reply on any of your threads ?

[G L Wilson]

Was that really necessary ?

Wouldn't been better to say you don't want me to reply on any of your threads ?

You reply all you like, mate, it wasn't my intention to stop you. mea culpa it will not happen again.

[Atehequa]

You reply all you like, mate, it wasn't my intention to stop you. mea culpa it will not happen again.

Probably not as when it comes down to name calling and allowing such to occur then perhaps LN is not a good fire for me to sit by.

Awaithe

[G L Wilson]

Probably not as when it comes down to name calling and allowing such to occur then perhaps LN is not a good fire for me to sit by.

Awaithe

I cite cultural differences. In Australia, we call redheads bluey. By calling you Tinkerbell, I was actually passing you a compliment on the size of you and commenting on the surprise that your comment caused me. Big Blokes are supposed to be thick, not waxing lyrical.

[Scheherazade]

R e m i n d e r

Please do not discuss each other but the topic at hand.

Posts containing personal/inflammatory comments will be deleted without further notice.

[zoolane]

What do you think about revenge? May I have some of your opinions? I think it is a must under some circumstances.

Back to the oringal question and few other bysides.


Actual human evolve from apes like creatures but my question is same.
If apes or humans did not evolve with think for themselves and learn how to live. How was commonsense and know what right and wrong? only because the principal idea for it is human nature like revenge and forgiveness.


if you beleive god that all well and good. What about if you don't any faith then what? What about if you want retribution of any kind e.g violence, con, out do (keep up with Jones)?
So what said is anyone who seeking revenge should just let go fact of it, true revenge is act all about person who hurt but why should they bring pain to person cause then the pain. If you want example: what country has right to killed person for the crimes they commit. The Christian forgiveness?
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OK everybody does things in everyday life which Christian person would class as sin but personal it human nature it in our genes. How else do learn or teach right from wrong to anyone? Please do not try tell me thought bible.
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[G L Wilson]

Man is freedom, zoolane, that is all you need to know, all else is not needed.

[zoolane]

Man is freedom, zoolane, that is all you need to know, all else is not needed.

Meaning what excalted? that men free to do whatever it please to? act kindness and violence?

[G L Wilson]

There are no limits to what a man might do.

[Gladys]

Why revenge, since even the desire for revenge, just makes things worse? At best, the avenger will have blood on his hands, on his conscience. And often, the object of revenge is to be pitied, even more than despised. Find something constructive to do, instead.

And from a Christian perspective:



1 John 4:7___ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

[G L Wilson]

To fear not pain is to love.

[Panglossian]

If a person's actions attract revenge, then they deserve it.

[Paulclem]

They deserve something - perhaps the weight of the law.

A revenger may well commit something that dehumanises them, and what was the good of that then? That's what the law is for - to take away the need for extreme action by the individual that may well be an overreaction in the expression of their hatred.

I once saw a documentary with a jewish woman who had survived the concentration camps. Soon after she came upon some other survivors who were confronting a German woman with a baby in all their grief and anger. She stood up to them and protected the German woman, and her argument was that hatred had caused the persecution, and that to carry it on does no-one any good.

If an act is so bad - then it deserves the law.
If it doesn't warrant the law - well what are you worrying about it for? It's not worth it.

[G L Wilson]

To strive for justice requires patience, revenge requires haste.

[Paulclem]

To strive for justice requires patience, revenge requires haste.

Agreed.

[AuntShecky]

That you posted this in the "Religious Texts" forum tells me that you must be referring to Hebrews 10:30 (http://www.preceptaustin.org/hebrews_1030-31.htm), but the question is why?

Are you looking for reassurance that revenge (i.e. trying to
effect justice by your own hand) is justified?

I'm not by any stretch a Biblical scholar, but I seriously doubt you'll find justification for personal vengeance in the
Scriptures.

Similarly, I lack a legal background, but conventional wisdom seems to point me toward assuming that revenge is generally not sanctioned by civil authorities as well.

Even if it were, how would wreaking revenge toward those who have wronged you help your situation in the long run? It might not even make you "feel" any better! Hence, the expression, "Revenge is a dish that is better served cold."

I am not, nevertheless, dismissing your statement that you might be a victim of some sort of abuse. If so, if I were you, I would not take matters in my own hands.

If you are a student, seek out a counselor, teacher, or administrator (principal) and talk to him or her. If school has already been dismissed for the summer, then find a clergyman, even if you aren't a regular church goer.

If you are in immediate danger, call 911 or whatever the emergency number is in your area.

Get Help.

[G L Wilson]

That you posted this in the "Religious Texts" forum tells me that you must be referring to Hebrews 10:30 (http://www.preceptaustin.org/hebrews_1030-31.htm), but the question is why?

Are you looking for reassurance that revenge (i.e. trying to
effect justice by your own hand) is justified?

I'm not by any stretch a Biblical scholar, but I seriously doubt you'll find justification for personal vengeance in the
Scriptures.

Similarly, I lack a legal background, but conventional wisdom seems to point me toward assuming that revenge is generally not sanctioned by civil authorities as well.

Even if it were, how would wreaking revenge toward those who have wronged you help your situation in the long run? It might not even make you "feel" any better! Hence, the expression, "Revenge is a dish that is better served cold."

I am not, nevertheless, dismissing your statement that you might be a victim of some sort of abuse. If so, if I were you, I would not take matters in my own hands.

If you are a student, seek out a counselor, teacher, or administrator (principal) and talk to him or her. If school has already been dismissed for the summer, then find a clergyman, even if you aren't a regular church goer.

If you are in immediate danger, call 911 or whatever the emergency number is in your area.

Get Help.

"The revenger of blood himself shall slay the murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him."
Numbers 35: 19

[G L Wilson]

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."
Matthew 7: 1

"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."
1 Corinthians 2: 15

Which is truer? Is the question relevant?

[Gladys]

"Judge not, that ye be not judged" means judge in the sense of condemn. "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things" means judgeth in the sense of weigh the value of. I see no inconsistency.

As for "The revenger of blood himself shall slay the murderer", Jesus said, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another". Times change.

[virginiawang]

To have revenged gave me dignity and the worth of my life. I love it. I want it more.
I know I am evil, will be reproved by a great deal of my friends here, but I cannot resist my intention to smile genuinely at the moment I think of what I've done.

[thebagman]

what did you do?

[G L Wilson]

what did you do?

Don't ask, she is obviously twisted in her own evil.

[virginiawang]

Don't ask, she is obviously twisted in her own evil.

I don't like the way you described me. I am evil, but I have never been twisted in anything.

[Panglossian]

Evil but not twisted. I'm gonna print that on a t-shirt.

[G L Wilson]

I don't like the way you described me. I am evil, but I have never been twisted in anything.

Revenge is never pretty, darling.

[virginiawang]

To have revenged gave me the notion that nobody can attack me at random, without paying for what they did, so I learned the fact that I am still proud. To be able to revenge made my heart beautiful. I love myself after he revenged for me.

To revenge can fix my wounded soul, and I really want it. I love and believe in him, so I know he will heal my wound by administering more punishment upon the old woman, who once hurt me mercilessly.

[thebagman]

How did she hurt you?

[Ecurb]

"Revenge is a dish best served cold." -- Ancient Proverb (did not appear, contrary to occasional opinion, in Dangerous Liasons)

[G L Wilson]

Revenge tastes sweet, slightly off.

[libernaut]

Aww, revenge. That art of nemeses. And what an art it is indeed. I've never really been one to practice revenge. But when I have it sort of was a guilty pleasure. You know you are doing something wrong, but because that individual has wronged you, it almost feels right? Lol

[G L Wilson]

Aww, revenge. That art of nemeses. And what an art it is indeed. I've never really been one to practice revenge. But when I have it sort of was a guilty pleasure. You know you are doing something wrong, but because that individual has wronged you, it almost feels right? Lol

Revenge is natural justice which is not just at all.

[Emil Miller]

Evil but not twisted. I'm gonna print that on a t-shirt.

How about Twisted but not Bitter ?

[Revolte]

Revenge seems like something unhealthy obsession creates. If someone is to do something of any radical nature it should be out of love, not out of spite. I would like to know what good revenge would ever do. Without bringing cold blooded murders and rape into it (not to mention both actions seem like some form of revenge themselves, outside of true psychopaths of course).

[Paulclem]

Revenge is bad for both the victim and the Revenger. It's why we have the law - to take away the need for an individual to revenge themselves against serious hurts against them. If you go down the road of revenge, it could quickly lead to lynch mobs. In a civilised society everyone has a right to a fair hearing - revenge and lynching removes this and is too easily manipulated.

[G L Wilson]

The rule of law or the law of the jungle. I know which one I would choose.

[Revolte]

Revenge is bad for both the victim and the Revenger. It's why we have the law - to take away the need for an individual to revenge themselves against serious hurts against them. If you go down the road of revenge, it could quickly lead to lynch mobs. In a civilised society everyone has a right to a fair hearing - revenge and lynching removes this and is too easily manipulated.

Law IS revenge

[G L Wilson]

Law IS revenge

Law is retribution, there's a difference.

[Revolte]

Law is retribution, there's a difference.

Most crimes are non violent. If you ask me incarcerating someone because they did something you wouldn't do, is some sort of ethic revenge. "I don't like what you did, so I'm going to get you back!"

[G L Wilson]

Most crimes are non violent. If you ask me incarcerating someone because they did something you wouldn't do, is some sort of ethic revenge. "I don't like what you did, so I'm going to get you back!"

Order or anarchy, baby, your choice?

[Revolte]

Order or anarchy, baby, your choice?

Show me order and I'll show you living breathing Megatron Dragons.

[WyattGwyon]

Blanket condemnations of revenge only demonstrate a lack of imagination. Consider: Christian preacher condemns gay lifestyle; disaffected former lover outs him. This is revenge that benefits and edifies nearly everyone. Former dictator who tortures and kills his people is publicly and slowly disemboweled. A valuable object lesson and good for almost everyone. No doubt there are countless other examples.

[G L Wilson]

Show me order and I'll show you living breathing Megatron Dragons.

If you don't know what order looks like, you are really in trouble.

[G L Wilson]

Blanket condemnations of revenge only demonstrate a lack of imagination. Consider: Christian preacher condemns gay lifestyle; disaffected former lover outs him. This is revenge that benefits and edifies nearly everyone. Former dictator who tortures and kills his people is publicly and slowly disemboweled. A valuable object lesson and good for almost everyone. No doubt there are countless other examples.

You have a strange idea of justice, sport.

[Theunderground]

Sometimes justice is only had by revenge. and how tasty a morsel it is! just dont get obsessed by it.

[IceM]

I have abusive parents. I'm speaking from experience.


For some reason I smell sarcasm. I'm sure it's not intentional; it's just that one friend I have always says they "bow" to my intelligence when they wish to stop arguing. That reminded me of them, with hopes you aren't being sarcastic.




Perhaps they aren't polar opposites. But being able to tolerate means being able to endure. Endurance grants me (personal experience) the ability to forego revenge. As long as I can persevere, I have no reason to retaliate.



Another form of experience: I supress my emotions quite often. Seems coincidental, I'm sure, to have my experiences come up instantaneously.

I've only ever admitted emotional repercussions from my parents to my best friends. But I act perfectly normal. I function very well amongst others. Of course, underlying doubt in oneself, negative self-esteem and an underlying lack of self-worth sometimes aren't easy to detect. I only confess it here under anonymity. But once again, I refer to my ability to tolerate, which I link synonymously to endurance; enduring eliminates revenge. It makes oneself stronger.

Also too, understanding and accepting a parent's reason for abusive behavior is tolerance of their views. I use it loosely, under many pretences, but my ability to endure above all else makes any strife I may have much less of an issue.


I always find endurance to be internal. Newborn sensations and long-standing sentiments must be stored somewhere. My endurance is the ability to psychologically withstand emotional damage by philosophically rationalizing them.

Perhaps the self-satisfaction in knowing one can frequently endure channels out the energy as you suggest. Knowing one can persevere makes persevering easier. I just find myself feeling otherwise.

I want to take an opportunity to recant ALL of these statements here, and to confess my sin of lying and fabricating an experience.

I never lived in an abusive context. I never had abusive parents. I lied about these things and waxed poetic about things I have no knowledge of, and I'm sorry for that. I confess that to this community.

Although this post is almost a decade old, I confess to alleviate my conscience. An additional benefit of my confession is that, for people who, through whatever means, stumble or stumbled upon this thread and read my comments and were influenced by them, my comments could lead people to form conclusions or assumptions about those who live under abusive parents, and these assumptions based on my lies could lead to misinformation. So this post serves as a confession of false information, as well as a desire not to misinform anyone else moving forward.

[Gladys]

This ancient thread was less than civil.