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Paulclem
04-07-2011, 06:36 PM
It took me a good few weeks to read War and peace, but it is a book well worth the effort. I did take the time to read around a little. I read 1812 – an account of Napoleon’s invasion of Russia, and his retreat from Moscow. I also read Anthony Beevor’s Stalingrad last year, on a separate reading tack, which mentioned the soviet use of War and Peace to inspire the troops. It all conspired to give a bit more insight into the book, and helped to place the story within the historical account. It was also interesting to read about the ongoing influence of War and Peace. In short, a little extra effort pays off, though I think it easily stands on its own.

My initial interest in W&P lay with the historical account of the war and Tolstoy’s rendering of it. He doesn’t disappoint. It feels authentic, and is clearly based upon Tolstoy’s own war experience which included the siege of Sebastopol in the Crimea. He also took the time to visit the site of Borodino, and to view the various aspects of the battlefield as Napoleon and Kutuzov, the two opposing generals would have done.

The noise and chaos of Austerlitz, and the bravery of Borodino are rendered through the various characters. My only criticism is that the depiction of the ordinary soldiers displays a similar degree of detachment as his portraits of the servants, serfs and peasants in other parts of the book. He clearly respects them, as is shown from accounts of his life, and even saw an honesty in the physical labour they undertake. The gun crew observed by Pierre at Borodino could also be the workers on Tolstoy’s estate. Yet they are separate from his own experience, and he never really explores their motivations in the same way he does with the aristocratic members. He is much more comfortable with Rostov charging the French cavalry and exploring the feelings he has when cited for bravery.

I was less interested in the Peace, or social aspects of the book, though this did grow on me as it progressed. The characters of the aristocracy are well drawn, though I think he relies too heavily on blushes as physical manifestations of sincerity, and the portrayal of French sophistication as synonymous with deceit and inconstancy. It is a theme he explores more in Anna Karenina. This melodramatic element in his characters seems to represent Tolstoy’s own perceived social awkwardness. it’s as if he is trying to expound the virtues of this mindset, which does become a little repetitive. It is seen most obviously in Pierre, the unworldly heir to a fortune, whose experiences with the common folk whilst in captivity and the suffering he endures with them enables him to come to terms with his own character and the mess he has made of his married and social life. Perhaps this was Tolstoy’s explanation in his own maturity.

Natasha too seems to embody these qualities, though I find her transformations from Prince Andrew’s doting love, to inconstant eloper to dutiful but domineering wife the least convincing. Of the female characters, Princess Mary is a rock of consistency, whilst the aging Countess Rostov is well portrayed in her dotage.

In conclusion, War and Peace is a long, but very well written book. I’m keen to see a film interpretation of the novel, though this has clearly presented filmmakers with a difficult sequence. The more I find out about Tolstoy, the more inclined to read more of his other works such as Resurrection. I enjoyed War and Peace more than Anna Karenina for the variety of perspectives it covers, and Tolstoy’s clear enthusiasm for the Russian spirit in times of crisis. His portrayal of the war and the inclusion of characters such as the Russian peasant soldiers Tikhon and Platon Karataev mean that I have not only improved my awareness of 19th century Russia, but I have read one of the great Russian novels.

dfloyd
04-07-2011, 08:12 PM
But both are more enjoyable than Resurrection. I think this is because Tolstoy wrote Resurrection somwhat under duress. A Russian religious group wanted to imigrate to the new world. Canada agreed to let them in under the conditon they pay for their own voyage. There were many of them so the voyage fees were large. So Tolstoy, quite old by this time and sworn off writing novels, agreed to write a novel to pay for their passage. He did and the novel was Resurrection. The book starts off like a house on fire, but cools to an ember about a quarter way through. It is worth reading, but don't expect it to be of the caliber of his other two novels.

I would suggest you first read Tolstoy's autobiogrphical trilogy: Childhood, Boyhood, and Youth since the principle character in Resurrection is developed in his unfinished autobiogrphical work, which I liked more than Ressurection.

dfloyd
04-07-2011, 08:14 PM
But both are more enjoyable than Ressurection. I think this is because Tolstoy wrote Resurrection somwhat under duress. A Russian religious group wanted to emigrate to the new world. Canada agreed to let them in under the conditon they pay for their own voyage. There were many of them so the voyage fees were large. So Tolstoy, quite old by this time and sworn off writing novels, agreed to write a novel to pay for their passage. He did and the novel was Resurrection. The book starts off like a house on fire, but cools to an ember about a quarter way through. It is worth reading, but don't expect it to be of the caliber of his other two novels.

I would suggest you first read Tolstoy's autobiogrphical trilogy: Childhood, Boyhood, and Youth since the principle character in Ressurection is developed in his unfinished autobiogrphical work, which I liked more than Ressurection.

Dodo25
04-07-2011, 09:08 PM
I'm almost done reading it. Takes forever!

Good review, I was thinking a lot of the things you mentioned too.

Some of the characters bored me, but fortunately Tolstoy can turn even the boring situations into interesting character studies, he's great with depicting that 'awkwardness' in social interactions.

One bad thing I noticed is that sometimes the character seemed 'unreal'. For instance, Pierre had like three moments where he was walking around 'not noticing what was happening around him' in situations where this just wouldn't happen. Seriously, who doesn't notice being shot at by dozens of French enemies? Who doesn't notice 'the significance of the event' when the capital is burning down? There were other such moments with other characters too.

Anyway, the war scenes were amazing, especially the Austerlitz battle where it's shown how generals don't have any control. Sometimes though I thought he was trying to hard to make his point; the whole 'history has many small and interconnected causes' speech became redundant quite quickly. And apart from that I don't think it's as true as Tolstoy thought, but that's another matter.

Altogether, I think it was a great book. But I wouldn't consider it 'brilliant'... Its themes are less deep than in Dostoevsky's novels. I'm curious about 'Anna Karenina', haven't read that one yet.

One more thing: I don't know Russian, but whatever word was used there, the translators should NOT use 'ejaculated' as a dialogue tag. It's just wrong.

TheChilly
04-08-2011, 09:08 AM
Will continue reading sometime this weekend, but so far, it's quite possibly my favorite historical realist work of all time. Digging the Prince Andrey character a lot.

Big Dante
04-09-2011, 06:31 AM
Good review, it seems interesting. I will have to look into it in the near future.

jajdude
04-09-2011, 10:05 PM
Started reading it not long ago. Should be finished in a few years. Had to tell a few people I was reading it, of course.

tonywalt
05-08-2011, 07:03 PM
I am reading a chapter a day (common plan). I read quite a bit, perhaps a book a week, of non-fiction and can read quite alot in one sitting. I am at chapter 23 and find it tough going but I will persevere. As I read more the characters are becoming more alive, but i must admit their is alot of literary style. Perhaps due to the fact that i read at least 95 percent non fiction.

I do have a question-did anyone out there have trouble in the beginning and find that it picked up in terms of your interest as you read along.

Tony

iamnobody
05-08-2011, 10:50 PM
I had a little trouble keeping track of all the characters and their relationships in the begining, but that got much easier after a few chapters.
My biggest problem was that so much of the dialog was in French. I had to keep referring to the translations. That was irksome.
Still one my favorite books ever.

Dodo25
05-09-2011, 11:44 AM
I do have a question-did anyone out there have trouble in the beginning and find that it picked up in terms of your interest as you read along.


I often have trouble in the very early stages of books. That's why I jump-start longer works by reading for 6 hours straight, that way you really immerse yourself in the story. I kinda liked W&P from the beginning on. At some points in the middle, it got a bit boring (after the first campaign), and then, after the second campaign, the scenes with Pierre were boring to me. I really liked the all the war scenes, and fortunately there's lots of them. So yeah, the book is so long, tension goes up and down a bit. Just keep reading. The worst you can do is not read for weeks, because then it'll be very hard to get into the story again. (I read half of it in a week, then stopped for a month, then read the rest in a week.)

tonywalt
05-09-2011, 06:30 PM
I often have trouble in the very early stages of books. That's why I jump-start longer works by reading for 6 hours straight, that way you really immerse yourself in the story. I kinda liked W&P from the beginning on. At some points in the middle, it got a bit boring (after the first campaign), and then, after the second campaign, the scenes with Pierre were boring to me. I really liked the all the war scenes, and fortunately there's lots of them. So yeah, the book is so long, tension goes up and down a bit. Just keep reading. The worst you can do is not read for weeks, because then it'll be very hard to get into the story again. (I read half of it in a week, then stopped for a month, then read the rest in a week.)


Thanks. I am following the chapter a day method. I too believe in the immersion start, but with W and P I found it hard. I will just knock thru a few chapters this week maybe about a 20-see if that kicks starts the thing.