Jack - Lord of the Flies

[Haruko]

Hi every one ^^
This is my first topic here , and I hope to get benefits as much as I can from u .
This is a quotation from Lord of the Flies and my comment on it .
I want ur feedback and ur advicee about my writing .

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" We'll get food," cried Jack. " Hunt. Catch thing untill they fetch us. "

This qoutation belongs to Jack ,woh is tha antagonist in Lord of the Flies. Jack is a self-lover boy who wants to be number one in everything. In addition to that, this qoutation gives us a close look to Jack's savagry and his love to power. We also understand that he is a strong boy who is not afriad from everything.
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This is my work. Comment as u want , this would let me become better.

Waiting for u.

[OrphanPip]

First of all, there are some typos in here that a basic word processor spell check should fix.

"Self-lover" sounds more masturbatory than you probably intend, I'd go with "Jack is self-obsessed."

Jack does have a love for power in the novel, but where do you see that in the quote. I think you're on mark with the savagery. Tell us how and why it shows us his savagery, what do you think is savage about the language specifically. Don't expect your teacher to understand what you mean without explaining your reasoning.

[Seasider]

I may be shouted down here but I do not think that textspeak is appropriate in a literature forum. I would never ordinarily presume to correct posters whose native tongue is not English, nor native speakers either, come to that, but ur is not the correct spelling of your and while it may be sensible to save money on a mobile by shortening words, it is, in my opinion, unacceptable in other contexts.

But back to your original post...Jack in this scene is making a claim for leadership even though he expects it may be short-lived, as he assumes they will be rescued, or fetched as he put it, by adults soon and will need to go back to being powerless children.

Golding wrote the book partly as a result of being a school teacher at various Boys' School and later an officer in The Royal Navy.
He had read RM Ballantyne's book Coral Island as a boy and seemed to want to correct Ballantyne's view of boys as virtuous, brave and just and show how some of them, freed from adult control would easily become savage and ruthless killers.
(An opinion that I agree with every time I watch Jamie's Dream School which is an attempt by Jamie Oliver to reclaim 20 school failures by organising classes given to them by stars of the academic, political and sporting worlds.)

I hope you enjoy the book. It is a powerful and pessimistic comment on Human Nature. It might be helpful if you were able to watch Peter Brook's film of it made in 1963. There was another made in the 90s but I didn't see it.

[1n50mn14]

Advice about your writing? At least attempt to write properly... 'words' such as 'ur' instantly discredit any valid point in your writing.

I also believe that this quote is closer to the beginning of the book, when the boys are debating what to do about their situation, so I don't really see it as portraying any of Jack's inherent savage nature. I think this quote is more of an exclamation, nearly in relief- he realizes that although the situation is dire, they can still hunt to kill food to survive. I, personally, don't see how this quote exemplifies his later brutality and power mongering.

[Cunninglinguist]

Jack is what you say, but he's also well intentioned, which is an important aspect of his character. Golding is making a comment about all leaders here - since the book can be looked at as an allegory - that they are narcissists, but nonetheless well intentioned ones. It echoes that idiom "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

At least on the surface and without any greater context, I don't think you can derive the self-obsessed aspect of Jack's character from the quote. Moreover, I don't think it reveals his savagery - if I remember correctly, they were not manifest savages at this point in the book (indeed, why would they be having such a discourse over how to survive later on in the book?) - and so your comments, to me, on the quote seem at best discursive. To this reader, it reveals his good intentions and his willingness (perhaps even eagerness indicated by the word "cried"?) to act as a leader. However, from the quote I don't think one can determine why he is eager (that is, his self-obsession).

As for the 'net slang, you're still comprehensible, and that's enough.

[OrphanPip]

I didn't say he was self-obsessed, I said that it would be better to say self-obsessed than self-lover.

My intention was just to make the OP try to defend what they are saying about Jack, I'm not even going to attempt to seriously analyze the quote, since that would do her homework for her.

Edit: Although, I do think there is plenty that could be said from that quote about Jack's willingness to take control, and on the quote's relation to larger themes of savagery in the novel.

[sithkittie]

I agree with Cunninglinguist that Jack was, at least in the beginning, well intentioned. I think the obsession he derived from the hunt was his biggest problem. He was certainly competitive, and I think one might argue that it was that competitiveness, wanting to be first, wanting to be the leader, that lead to his obsession with getting the boys meat. Personally I would go more for well intentioned mixed with a desire to restore something of his position with the boys he used to be leader of.

Those are my thoughts anyway.

[Cunninglinguist]

Nevermind - @orphan: Saw I misread your post. Apologies.