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Patrick_Bateman

05-02-2011, 06:29 PM

For sure those are questions that can't be confidently addressed beyond any doubt but let me direct you to one William Shakespeare.

About 2 facts are known about old Bill Shakespeare. The most renowned and celebrated figure in Western literature. Very very little is known for certain about any portion of his life and the huge blanks have been filled with conjecture and suppositions much like yours. All based on tiny strands of 'evidence' twisted and turned to fit each individuals theory. Whether it be that the real author of the works attributed to Shakespeare were penned by Marlowe or even that they were conceived by a woman.

You seem to be a poor fellow who is the victim of the same weakness and careleness. Because of the omissions in his early life vis-a-vis his schooling and musical education you have capitalised on it using them as a launching pad for your diatribe against a genius. You piece together tiny shreds of evidence and construe them so that they conform to you unsubstantiated theory.

The lack of information regarding his education seems to have driven you to the conclusion that something must be amiss and that he can't possibly have had the skills and faculties needed to compose the works ascribed to him. Whether this is indolence on your part I don't know but it seems that a lot of your 'evidence' is based on the points that not much is known of Mozart's early life. And that therefore this means we have to judge Mozart in the negative and take away from him all of his successes and deduce that they were written by another hand.

That seems incredibly harsh and cavalier of you. You have nothing that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Mozart lifted from other composers.
The fact that an opera of his was well received or not is of little consequence in the argument as to whether the work was his own or whether the work was good. Several explanations can be put forward to account for a poor public response but of course you will repudiate all of them in your condescending way because it doesn't conform to your view.
(Now who is suffering the effect of cognitive dissonance?)
The Magic Flute and La Clemenza di Tito for example were not received very warmly at their premiere due to the unusual allocation of the tickets. Government ministers and political functionaries distributed the tickets among their own kind and so many true music lovers and connoisseurs of the art - who helped direct public opinion on an opera - were not present and again Mozart's innovation was difficult for people to comprehend and appreciate. As I'm sure you know many artists are not appreciated in their own time.

Other operas like Cosi fan tutte contained themes of immorality among others that were distasteful to the upper classes. The marriage of Figaro upset the aristocracy also and has always been described as revolutionary (whether with intention or not) and caused citizens in France to seriously question the governance of the Ancien Regime. Not a recipe for success when you are making music for an elite class.

So you see how easily things can be explained?? But yet you cannot accept anything that goes against your theory. I can understand that, when you have dedicated nearly 2 decades to uncovering a conspiracy that never existed. 20 years of work wasted can be tough to swallow I am sure.

That cognitive dissonance can be a ***** but your acceptance will begin the healing process.

Patrick Bateman,

Which 'experts' are you refering to ? We still don't know. Do they exist ? You are chasing the Phantom of the Opera, perhaps ? I have corresponded at one time or another with leading propagandists of Mozart. On detailed points of 'his' alleged achievements. For over 20 years. So have others. Ask around if you like. There are numerous forums on Mozart. Surely, surely, there must be something in all of this posting. Either they are able to defend their conventional views or they are not. They are not. They never have been. It's a business. And it has its consumers. It's as fake as so much else of 'civilization'. Patronised in high places. Never cross-examined. As fake as political promises, fiat bankers, and unelected dynasties. And this is able to be demonstrated. Here, for sure, in general terms because our conversation is so far a general one.

I and others have been studying the life, career and iconic status of Mozart for many years. From all aspects. Several articles are here on this thread.

I will offer (once again) the 'something' you ask for. Tell us please such basic things as -

1. Where did Mozart go to school ? If at all.
2. When did Mozart learn music ?
3. Who taught him composition ? If at all.
4. Can you give a list of 'his' compositions up to, say, his teenage years, that stands cross-examination ? You can choose any year you like. Can it get more simple ?
5. Can you admit his music entrance exam to Bologna (1770) was faked ? An article on this by Bianchini has already been posted here. It's one of numerous examples. It's typical.
6. Can you name a single public concert given by W.A. Mozart in his home city of Salzburg ? At any time in his whole life ? There were none.
7. Can you tell us when Mozart studied keyboard playing ? And under which teacher ?

8. Have you actually examined the alleged musical career of Mozart in any detail ? And will you, when in Vienna, go to the Austrian National Library and examine the musical score used of 'Le Nozze di Figaro' at its premiere there on 1st May 1786 ? You will then see why this music was laughed at and hissed off the stage. It is a poor arrangement of music already composed by others to a German text that had been cobbled together by Mozart and given an Italian text by the rogue priest Lorenzo da Ponte. A pastiche, in fact. And virtually unperformable. Withdrawn a few performances later. Contemporary writers on music (such as JN Forkel, Da Ponte, Koch and others, all show 'Mozart' was virtually unknown, even in Vienna, during his last decade. Contrary to the fairy story. Do you want their actual statements on this ?). Do their statements mean anything to you ?

I could add dozens and dozens of similar questions. These are simple, basic questions. And, to date, there are no answers. This farce started in Salzburg and it continued decades after Mozart's death. It was calculated, deliberate and it involved many people. Why this was done (and how it was done) are subjects that I have been working on for many years. It's not even a question that it WAS done. And so, if you believe the story is genuine, fine. I know it is not and am saying why. With others. They hid their traces. But not well enough. It's all about control.

But this is the musical 'hero' you believe in. And millions of others the same. He literally dominates your musical paradigm. You have never questioned its truthfulness, have you ? Although, in fact, 'his' music was not composed by him. So say the actual facts. An examination of the evidence (biographical and musical) would confirm this to anyone who examines it. As for the false attribution to him of hundreds of works he never composed (published and often performed in his name) that's a plain fact also. In fact, it's a starting point. And it starts with 'his' first composition, KV1 and ends with 'his' last, KV 626. His actual achievements being those of a provincial musician of no real talent. So says the evidence.

So these, plus a thousand other reasons (during his lifetime and posthumously) convinces me that criticism, cross-examination, of the Mozart myth (musicological enquiry into them) is something you neither welcome nor can accept. That means you subscribe to a paradigm. That you like the artificial pantheon of 'great composers'. And it's proof, I believe, of Cognitive Dissonance. Since one (and only one) side is saying that when we examine the myth in the light of the actual evidence it proves to be a huge invention. And that side includes me. We are so sure of it that you can judge for yourself who is telling the truth. Month after month. Year after year. This has serious implications, don't you think ?

Those who HAVE studied these matters in the light of day say you and others are believing an elaborate fairy story. As did I myself for many years. Woven around a family of liars. Aided and abetted by men who wanted to control what is taught and believed of musical history. We are so sure of it we are writing various articles on his official career. And have been doing so for many years.

The answer so far is silence. There ! That is mythology for you !!

P.S. We DO have a playbill from Vienna 1786 (the premiere of 'Le Nozze di Figaro') which describes W.A. Mozart as a Kapellmeister. Well !! That proves he was 'serving Salzburg', doesn't it ? No, it doesn't. W.A. Mozart lied on that playbill about being employed as a Kapellmeister just like his father lied about being a Kapellmeister during their 3 tours of Italy. 'Like father, like son', of course. LOL !!

This helps your case not one iota. In every piece I have read on Mozart the author has invariably conceded that Mozart's listing as a 'Kapellmeister' is inaccurate as his title was 'composer for the court.'
However there is no evidence to suggest Mozart lied and was responsible for the misrepresentation. In fact if Mozart had insisted on appropriating the title of Kapellmeister on the playbill it would ahve done him more harm than good.

yanni

05-03-2011, 02:58 AM

At his mother's burial in Paris, Mozart promoted his father to 'kapellmeister'! (Saint Eustace register), but don't let the fact affect your dialogue with "Musicology".

BTW "Bates" would be a more artlike penname to pick-and less telling too!

Musicology

05-03-2011, 12:12 PM

Patrick Bateman,

Thank you for directing me to one icon of English literature, the legendary William Shakespeare. You could not have given us a better example if you spent a whole lifetime. Since there is a vast literature (and many websites) reminding us the plays of William Shakespeare lack any evidence of having been written by William Shakespeare of Stratford on Avon. So they may actually have been written by others. So massive is the evidence he did not write them that professors of English literature have been impolitely and inconveniently saying so, for centuries. In books and lectures. Biographically and for many other reasons there are valid grounds to ask if William Shakespeare wrote (or did not write) 'his' plays. And it seems to me we should at least be familiar with the available evidence for and against if we are to have an opinion on it. So, rather than discouraging you I encourage you to have exactly the same attitude when it comes to W.A. Mozart - a musical Shakespeare, indeed. You have read only one side, haven't you ?

On this thead we have seen that, contrary to hype, there is zero evidence for Mozart studying music, musical composition, keyboard, or even having given a single public concert in his own home town, (either before he started his childhood tours of safe, noble, patrons, nor even at any time in his entire life). Nor is there a shred of evidence for him learning composotion anywhere on the entire planet during his entire lifetime. Nor is there evidence (contrary to the hyperbole) that the music composed and published in his name from before 1781 (i.e. prior to his arrival in Vienna) was actually composed by him. Such evidence as we actually have shows the opposite - lie after lie, exaggeration after exaggeration, falsehood after falsehood, misattribution after misattribution, this able to be proved from before the time of his falsified exam in Bologna *(1770) onwards. This is an amazing fact. And it is contradicted by nothing. Nothing at all.

Now it seems what we believe of history should be based on something. Unless it is our faith. If Mozart is your faith I will step to one side and respect you, entirely. We will agree to disagree on your god. But such is toleration. May I ask on what fact your belief of Mozart's musical genius is actually based ? Since it is assumed, is it not ? Though you have not examined the question for yourself, and you think it is strange anyone else should so consistently try to expand your reading matter (and your thinking). Yet I must.

You refer also to 'Mozart's' famous Vienna operas. Well, let's start at the first. 'Die Entfuhrung aus dem Serail'. That music is not by Mozart. So said contemporary writers including those actually present at its premiere. Did you know this ?

As for Le Nozze di Figaro (1786) have you actually examined this subject, at all ? And will you please go to the Austrian National Library and look at the score of the opera held there from the premiere itself ? It is a hastily made arrangement of already existing music in a form that is virtually unperformable. This surely explains why it was booed off the stage a few performances later. It is music that was originally set to German text and only in Vienna later translated into Italian. But don't tell the children, will you ? Furthermore a version of this opera existed a year earlier. But don't tell the children, will you ?

As for Cosi fan tutte and The Magic Flute, here too you should be aware that both those operas are riddled with problems in attributing them musically to Mozart. This too you have never examined. Ask the composer Pavel Vranicky about that if you doubt it. Since entire sections come from his opera 'Oberon' staged months earlier at the same theatre. But don't tell the children, will you ? As for the Requiem (cough, cough). The contemporary writers of the time (e.g. those who wrote on music in the 1780's strangely do not list 'Le Nozze di Figaro' as being an opera by Mozart. Strange, isn't it ? And even on his death the publisher of the 'Nekrolog' on Mozart does not list 'Le Nozze di Figaro' as being an opera by Mozart. (Schlichtegroll). The reason for the omission is rather simple. Mozart did not compose that music. It was composed earlier by others. And it was arranged by a bungling and non-talented clown named W.A. Mozart. Who postured as a Kapellmeister long before he was granted that temporary post (a year later). Mozart was a fraud. Plain and simple. So say the facts.

Not a single opera score of Mozart was published in his entire life. That too is a fact. After which the music editors, revisers, and spin merchants set to work. To persuade you (successfully) by glossy eulogies that you know what you are talking about. While the facts erupt from the ground like misshapen stones to trip you up as you lecture us gently about the 'genius' of W.A. Mozart. You have been badly misinformed. But, at least, you are in the company of almost the entire musical community. Having never, once, questioned the subject yourself nor read a single book which calls it in to question. This IS Cogntive Dissonance par excellence. Since everything has its critics. Except the real and imaginary Mozart. Wunderkind of tourism and popular imagination. He deserves you and you, my friend, deserve him. As for the true composers of that music, never ask, will you ? They are not important.

Regards

Best wishes

p.s. You may be aware of several arias composed for Cosi fan tutte by a certain composer named Antonio Salieri ?

For sure those are questions that can't be confidently addressed beyond any doubt but let me direct you to one William Shakespeare.

About 2 facts are known about old Bill Shakespeare. The most renowned and celebrated figure in Western literature. Very very little is known for certain about any portion of his life and the huge blanks have been filled with conjecture and suppositions much like yours. All based on tiny strands of 'evidence' twisted and turned to fit each individuals theory. Whether it be that the real author of the works attributed to Shakespeare were penned by Marlowe or even that they were conceived by a woman.

You seem to be a poor fellow who is the victim of the same weakness and careleness. Because of the omissions in his early life vis-a-vis his schooling and musical education you have capitalised on it using them as a launching pad for your diatribe against a genius. You piece together tiny shreds of evidence and construe them so that they conform to you unsubstantiated theory.

The lack of information regarding his education seems to have driven you to the conclusion that something must be amiss and that he can't possibly have had the skills and faculties needed to compose the works ascribed to him. Whether this is indolence on your part I don't know but it seems that a lot of your 'evidence' is based on the points that not much is known of Mozart's early life. And that therefore this means we have to judge Mozart in the negative and take away from him all of his successes and deduce that they were written by another hand.

That seems incredibly harsh and cavalier of you. You have nothing that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Mozart lifted from other composers.
The fact that an opera of his was well received or not is of little consequence in the argument as to whether the work was his own or whether the work was good. Several explanations can be put forward to account for a poor public response but of course you will repudiate all of them in your condescending way because it doesn't conform to your view.
(Now who is suffering the effect of cognitive dissonance?)
The Magic Flute and La Clemenza di Tito for example were not received very warmly at their premiere due to the unusual allocation of the tickets. Government ministers and political functionaries distributed the tickets among their own kind and so many true music lovers and connoisseurs of the art - who helped direct public opinion on an opera - were not present and again Mozart's innovation was difficult for people to comprehend and appreciate. As I'm sure you know many artists are not appreciated in their own time.

Other operas like Cosi fan tutte contained themes of immorality among others that were distasteful to the upper classes. The marriage of Figaro upset the aristocracy also and has always been described as revolutionary (whether with intention or not) and caused citizens in France to seriously question the governance of the Ancien Regime. Not a recipe for success when you are making music for an elite class.

So you see how easily things can be explained?? But yet you cannot accept anything that goes against your theory. I can understand that, when you have dedicated nearly 2 decades to uncovering a conspiracy that never existed. 20 years of work wasted can be tough to swallow I am sure.

That cognitive dissonance can be a ***** but your acceptance will begin the healing process.

Patrick_Bateman

05-03-2011, 01:32 PM

Why is it that due to the mere fact we don't know how Mozart received his education and from whom you feel that indicates beyond doubt that he can't have composed the works ascribed to him and then twist things to fit this idea.

But yet no one questions how a man who was completely deaf throughout most of his adult life (Beethoven) could compose some of the greatest works of the Classical period?

I am just curious

----By making the above point I do not accuse Beethoven of the misappropriations with which Musicology charged Mozart-----

Musicology

05-03-2011, 04:25 PM

The 'mere fact' to which you refer (Mozart's lack of any musical education) is only one of dozens of anomalies from his childhood years alone. But it's as good a place as any to start. (I have already listed many others. And they grow each time we exchange posts). So, let me repeat my question. On what evidence (that is, on what verifiable evidence) do you believe in the story of W.A. Mozart, 'musical genius' ? A story you may agree is hardly if ever questioned despite these and countless other glaring problems. Despite the version of it given by a certain Leopold Mozart etc ? And it gets worse. I assure you. By the time we arrive at his 'Golden Years' in Vienna (1781-1791) the 'miracle' (musically) will become so huge, so preposterous, that you will find yourself climbing on the summit of western musical achievement and attributing it to a man who, till that decade, has been a verifiable clown. One who would be one again, there right in Vienna. A man who, even according to his own librettist (Lorenzo da Ponte) says lived 'unknown in Vienna, hidden, never having once shown his genius there'. This written after Mozart's death. That is surely quite a statement, isn't it ? So much for the fairy story of his wonderful career as a celebrated keyboard soloist and performer. I might add to this the musical publications of such notable writers as JN Forkel, Koch, and others, who say nothing of Mozart being a famous composer also - not even in Vienna in their publications on music in that same decade. Now, something is obviously wrong and as we examine his (alleged) public concerts as a soloist we find only further examples of fakery, newpaper exaggeration, and downright falsehood. This continuing up to the writing of the notorious Requiem. And for many decades after his death. Since more than 500 works nobody had ever heard of poured from the printing presses in the 6 decades before Ludwig Koechel finally published his official list of 'Mozart' compositions. None of which were offered to publishers during the last years of his 'poverty'. Now this too is surely strange, don't you think ? Koechel's catalogue finally appearing 3 whole faked biographies and 70 years later. In the early 1860's. If all of this and more is worthy of Mozart being the icon of western musical history, fine. I know, that even on this basis, it is of course nothing of the kind. Further confirmed when we examine each piece that is today attributed to him in some detail and its surviving documentary and other evidence. Since once again the story is the same.

Somebody wrote this music, for sure. But we are discussing, in fact, several dozen works that are loved worldwide. The vast majority of 'his' works of no great musical value. The whole thing was cleverly done, of course. With friends in high places. Same as Josef Haydn, and later, Beethoven. Same as Handel in England far earlier (whose musical plagiarism is as legendary as that of Pergolesi or Vivaldi). In fact the entire 18th century is riddled with false musical attributions. They were very much the norm. Mozart was no exception. But Mozart, of course, was to become a 'genius'. And, although we never define our terms in saying so, that means it's the equivalent of heresy to doubt it. Though, on issue after issue, at any period of his life and career, the defenders of his myth are strangely unable to defend their well known views on 'his' masses, concertos, operas, or anything else.

To think the unthinkable is, in this case, to consider that music and what we believe of it, is as corrupted and corruptible as virtually anything else in human history. Neither less nor more. As we find, I promise you, if we examine it in detail. If that is not where we begin when we examine Mozart it is surely where we can and must make our conclusion. Since there's nothing else for us to do but perpetuate what till now has been an unquestioned myth. Embellished and wrapped in eulogies. More sweetened by credulity than virtually any other subject in the entire history of music. As we must surely agree.

Regards

Why is it that due to the mere fact we don't know how Mozart received his education and from whom you feel that indicates beyond doubt that he can't have composed the works ascribed to him and then twist things to fit this idea.

But yet no one questions how a man who was completely deaf throughout most of his adult life (Beethoven) could compose some of the greatest works of the Classical period?

I am just curious

----By making the above point I do not accuse Beethoven of the misappropriations with which Musicology charged Mozart-----

Patrick,

The history of musical attribution in the case of Beethoven is a can of worms in itself. Far more so than 'they' tell you. The 'greatest' works of the classical period - but can you name a few dozen composers of the time with which Beethoven can be fairly and honestly compared ? How many concertos do you know by others from Vienna of Beethoven's own time there ? Or symphonies ? Or from the time there of Mozart ? One asks these rather basic questions and they tend to look at their watches and have an urgent meeting somewhere. So much for 3,000 composers of symphonies and concertos in the 18th century. That's not a fair history of music is it ?

Strange how, in fact, George Onslow (whom I posted on yesterday) was also deaf in one ear. Yet he wrote symphonies that were as popular in those times as Beethoven's own and which surely rank musically with those of Beethoven himself. The similarities in their styles are very striking. And that's just one example. Though Onslow is today virtually unknown. I could also mention two orchestrated cantatas of state written for the death of Emperor Josef in 1790 and for the accession of his successor and today attributed to the young Beethoven in Bonn. (Numbered WoO87 and Wo88 respectively). They too are remarkable music. And they are definitely not by Beethoven. They are actually works by Andrea Luchesi. Another unknown composer. Though they contain music that Beethoven (his student) later used over and over again. (Those works of state were of course the business of the Kapellmeisters to compose and not 20 year old music students).

The problem here is not so much 'who wrote what'. We know beyond reasonable doubt that many works that are attributed to various 'star' composers of the 18th and early 19th centuries (such as Mozart and Beethoven) were actually not composed by them. But whether Beethoven wrote 'his' music or Onslow wrote 'his' and the extent to which editors and revisers prepared them for publication and performance are really not that important. Far more important is the evidence indicates others did. But this, of course, ruins the fairy story. So it tends to be ignored. Welcome to the emerging music industry. A one sided eulogy. Music deserves better.

George Onslow
Second Movement
Scherzo
Symphony No. 4

http://www.mediafire.com/?oemywidmyzw

Why is it that due to the mere fact we don't know how Mozart received his education and from whom you feel that indicates beyond doubt that he can't have composed the works ascribed to him and then twist things to fit this idea.

But yet no one questions how a man who was completely deaf throughout most of his adult life (Beethoven) could compose some of the greatest works of the Classical period?

I am just curious

----By making the above point I do not accuse Beethoven of the misappropriations with which Musicology charged Mozart-----

Andrea Luchesi (1741-1801)
Kapellmeister of Bonn (between 1771-1794 and Beethoven's first music teacher)
Section from Cantata on the Death of the Emperor Josef (1790)
Performed that year in Frankfurt

Wrongly attributed to the 20 year old L. Van Beethoven (Luchesi's music pupil)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=758IftBZ0T8

Patrick_Bateman

05-03-2011, 05:17 PM

OK I will indulge you Musicology. Apprise me of how many works by Mozart you believe are actually written by him? Give me a rough number and a few examples.

If anything has come from your hogwash regarding Mozart it is that you have turned me on to the music of George Onslow. Great stuff.

It would be quite the elaborate ruse if this Mozart myth was planned from the start.

I would have thought the amateur and immature but impressively pleasant nature of his Minuet in G, K1 and his subsequent Minuets and first Sonatas would prove that Mozart knew musical composition (where from and who by is immaterial, the proof is in the pudding.) Why can't the compositions themselves serve as proof of his satisfactory music education. Just because the information on where and who is not not recorded or available anymore should not induce the definitive conclusion that he must not have any musical training. A golden rule for an historian is never to make assumptions without any facts. This is what I mean by twisting things to fit your model.

So I think in order to win any credibility you need to abandon this argument. Since the evidence of his early compositions provides more proof than you have.

Musicology

05-04-2011, 05:45 AM

Patrick Bateman,

Thank you for your noble gesture of 'indulgence'. Although I must warn you they (indulgences) have the habit of being responded to by letters firmly nailed to church doors ! The antidote to them is oxygen. You may be interested to know a certain Herr Fugger, (papally approved administrator of the same traffic) made a nice percentage from that giant business of indulgences for years and even enjoyed a monopoly as he toured through German speaking towns. It was a nice little earner, as they say. That's the same family who (by one of those marvellous accidents of fate) were to become early sponsors of a certain Leopold Mozart of Augsburg, later of Salzburg.

But I pass on quickly from that murky episode of history to answer your request for a list of genuine Mozart works. Well, some of, that is. I can submit others later.

Let me start here. And in the most helpful way I can. If you are ever in polite company and the subject of music is being discussed (and Mozart in particular) you may wish to share the fact there is a species of musical work which he, W.A. Mozart, definitely produced throughout most of his career. And which are really his attempts in that form. I refer to Mozart's canons.

The earliest of these canons date from around 1772 (his Italian tour period) and the latest from late 1788 (several years before his death). They are an almost ideal subject if we are to fairly assess Mozart's abilities as a composer. (That is, if we wish to gloss over the fiasco of his musical exam in Bologna). And musical canons were (you may know) often produced by composers among themselves at that time. So they are an ideal, almost unique chance for us to examine Mozart as a composer. Technically, that is.

Here are the works in that form that are by Mozart -

K73i Canon in A for 4 or 5 voices in 1 1772
K89 73k Kyrie in G for 5 voices in 1 1772
K73r 4 Riddle Cannons 1772
K73x 14 Canonic Studies 1772
K229 382a Canon in C minor for 3 voices in 1 c1782 ?Vienna
K230 382b Canon in C minor for 2 voices in 1 c1782 ?Vienna
K231 382c Canon in B flat for 6 voices in 1, "Leck mich im Arsch" c1782 ?Vienna
K233 382d Canon in B flat for 3 voices in 1, "Leck mir den Arsch" c1782 ?Vienna
K234 382e Canon in G for 3 voices in 1, "Bei der Hitz' em Sommer ess ich" c1782 ?Vienna
K347 382f Canon in D for 6 voices in 1 c1782 ?Vienna
K348 382g Canon in G for 12 voices in 3, "V'amo di core teneramente" c1782 ?Vienna
K507 507 Canon in F for 3 voices in 1 After June 3, 1786 Vienna
K508 508 Canon in F for 3 voices in 1 After June 3, 1786 Vienna
K508A Canon in C for 3 voices in 1 After June 3, 1786 Vienna
K508a 2 Canons in F for 3 voices in 1, 14 Canons in F for 2 voices in 1 After June 3, 1786 Vienna
K515b Double Canon in F for 4 voices in 2 April 24, 1787 Vienna
K509a Canon in G for 4 voices in 1, "Lieber Freistadtler, lieber Gaulimauli" After July 4, 1787 Vienna
K553 Canon in C for 3 voices in 1, "Alleluia" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
K554 Canon in F for 4 voices in 1, "Ave Maria" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
K555 Canon in A minor for 4 voices in 1, "Lacrimoso" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
K556 Canon in G for 4 voices in 1, "G'rechtelt's enk" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
K557 Canon in F minor or 4 voices in 1, "Nascoso e il mio sol" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
K558 Canon in B flat for 4 voices in 1, "Gehen wir im Prater" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
K559 Canon in F for 3 voices in 1, "Difficile lectu mihi Mars" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
K560a 559a Canon in F for 4 voices in 1, "O du eselhafter Peierl" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
K560b 560 Canon in F for 4 voices in 1, "O du eselhafter Martin" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
K561 Canon in A for 4 voices in 1, "Bona nox, bist a rechta Ox" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
K562 Canon in A for 3 voices in 1, "Caro bell'idol mio" Sept. 2, 1788 Vienna
562a Canon in B flat for 4 voices in 1 ?1780s ?Vienna
Anh. 191 562c Canon in C for 4 voices in 1 ?1780s ?Vienna

Close study of their contents shows this man was of no real musical talent. Most of the above are written in octaves. Which is absurd. Ludicrous, in fact. Many of them are clumsy, ugly, disjointed, of virtually no musical value whatsoever. They are works of a musical ignoramus. Of a man who has never studied voices or part writing in music. Yet they are eulogised in widely available textbooks as models of musical perfection ! Most teenage students of music could do better. And that is as true of the early ones as the last.

I might also refer you to the 'Mozart' concerto KV268, a piece so grotesque in every way in its original form that its publishers had to completely re-orchestrate and revise the score before they ever dared to publish it and have it commercially recorded. Still others, realising it was trash, refused (and still do) to accept it as Mozart's. Though the score is certainly in his hand. And it has been commercial released and sold. (Such is the industry, you understand ?). Today known as Mozart's Violin Concerto Number 6. It's a heap of clumsily handled generalisms. Even after major musical surgery. A musical pig's ear.

So here KV268/1, highly sanitised by editors and publishers before ever being released for public consumption and still as ugly as the canons. I will not speak here of dozens of other absurdities. Though, if you require an encore can provide one. The slow introduction to the Symphony KV444 is another. etc. (a symphony actually by Michael Haydn that was falsely published as Mozart's up until the early 20th century but on which he, W.A. Mozart, attempted a slow introduction. It's nonsense).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_kqL-1tAHU

Always remember, 'Everything you have heard is true' (and that's official).

Thank You

OK I will indulge you Musicology. Apprise me of how many works by Mozart you believe are actually written by him? Give me a rough number and a few examples.

Patrick Bateman,

I was, for many years, among countless admirers of 'Mozart's' music who, like countless commentators and biographers, floated without question on the transcendental cloud of his cultural and musical status (by which his contact with the real world and real people was only of incidental, even peripheral importance). This being an experience somewhat like following a beautiful bubble, floating high above the heads of we as its unquestioning admirers, and delighting and fascinating us with its ability to change colour without notice. Though it had the habit, from time to time, to cause us, from time to time, to walk in to all too real lamp posts. There was however no discrepancy, biographical or musical, that would shake my faith in his iconic rule. In the details of his life and musical achievements. Indeed, I learned to give the benefit of the doubt to the most glaring absurdities. As one does.

Bringing to mind that famous statement of the apostle Paul, that 'when I was a child, I thought as a child' etc.

Since which date entropy and contradiction combined and I (with other dissenters) came to the realisation that myths operate and are sustained by fuel that has nothing to do with reality or with the hard facts of musical reality or history.

I take heart in the fact that a detailed examination of Mozart's life and career (made by me and other colleagues) confirms to all who are of enquiring mind a procession of absurdity, of assumption, of eulogy, so stupendous in size, so relentlessly taught at academic and cultural level, so rarely questioned in any meaningful sense, that some underlying cause for its success (his fairy story) must exist. And it does. The fact of which now sustains my heresy and confirms you too are close to musical canonisation, since you are (drum roll) a defender of Mozartean convention. Able to grant indulgences and a consumer of his glory.

Thus, there are two Mozarts. One of popular imagination and the other of reality. Separated from the history of music by human nature, commerce, the academic world, and by vested interests.

It would be quite the elaborate ruse if this Mozart myth was planned from the start.

I would have thought the amateur and immature but impressively pleasant nature of his Minuet in G, K1 and his subsequent Minuets and first Sonatas would prove that Mozart knew musical composition (where from and who by is immaterial, the proof is in the pudding.) Why can't the compositions themselves serve as proof of his satisfactory music education. Just because the information on where and who is not not recorded or available anymore should not induce the definitive conclusion that he must not have any musical training. A golden rule for an historian is never to make assumptions without any facts. This is what I mean by twisting things to fit your model.

So I think in order to win any credibility you need to abandon this argument. Since the evidence of his early compositions provides more proof than you have.

yanni

05-05-2011, 02:53 AM

....a detailed examination of Mozart's life and career (made by me and other colleagues) confirms to all who are of enquiring mind a procession of absurdity, of assumption, of eulogy, so stupendous in size, so relentlessly taught at academic and cultural level, so rarely questioned in any meaningful sense, that some underlying cause for its success (his fairy story) must exist. And it does. The fact of which now sustains my heresy....

"The Genius of Mozart is mourning and weeping over the death of her pupil. She has found a refuge but no occupation with the inexhaustible Haydn; through him she wishes to form a union with another. With the help of assiduous labor you shall receive Mozart's spirit from Haydn's hands. "

Read more: http://www.musicweb-international.com/quotations.htm#ixzz1LSTZ9rTe

Musicology

05-05-2011, 05:49 AM

Ah, yes Yanni. You should tell readers that famous statement on Beethoven was made by Count Ferdinand von Waldstein, aided by that well known Mozart patron Prince Karl Lichnowsky, and (surprise, surprise !) that well known member of the Bavarian Illuminati, Baron Gottfried van Swieten. And there's Lobkowitz also acting as an early patron in Vienna of Beethoven. (Just as he had been years before for Mozart). It's a small world, for sure ! (This particular statement by Waldstein (friend of Casanova) was made several years after publication (in 1783) in the Illuminati music publication 'Cramer's Magazine' of the absurd view that the 13 year old Beethoven may become the 'next Mozart'. How is that for musical coincidence ?

We all love musical 'geniuses' who have been manufactured with the assistance of such men, don't we ? But don't tell the children !

....a detailed examination of Mozart's life and career (made by me and other colleagues) confirms to all who are of enquiring mind a procession of absurdity, of assumption, of eulogy, so stupendous in size, so relentlessly taught at academic and cultural level, so rarely questioned in any meaningful sense, that some underlying cause for its success (his fairy story) must exist. And it does. The fact of which now sustains my heresy....

"The Genius of Mozart is mourning and weeping over the death of her pupil. She has found a refuge but no occupation with the inexhaustible Haydn; through him she wishes to form a union with another. With the help of assiduous labor you shall receive Mozart's spirit from Haydn's hands. "

Read more: http://www.musicweb-international.com/quotations.htm#ixzz1LSTZ9rTe

yanni

05-05-2011, 06:41 AM

But I already did in previous. All four were either the same man (FJHaydn/Casanova etc) or two brothers.

Anyway, the famous 'Mozart inspired' Beethoven quintet question may be easily answered bearing in mind Mozart was alive far longer than his death but otherwise occupied at the time. 1796 is a very interesting year but so is 1765and many others.

Ah, yes Yanni. You should tell readers that famous statement on Beethoven was made by Count Ferdinand von Waldstein, aided by that well known Mozart patron Prince Karl Lichnowsky, and (surprise, surprise !) that well known member of the Bavarian Illuminati, Baron Gottfried van Swieten. And there's Lobkowitz also acting as an early patron in Vienna of Beethoven. (Just as he had been years before for Mozart). It's a small world, for sure ! (This particular statement by Waldstein (friend of Casanova) was made several years after publication (in 1783) in the Illuminati music publication 'Cramer's Magazine' of the absurd view that the 13 year old Beethoven may become the 'next Mozart'. How is that for musical coincidence ?

We all love musical 'geniuses' who have been manufactured with the assistance of such men, don't we ? But don't tell the children !

Musicology

05-05-2011, 10:05 AM

My subject is Mozart. You may talk of aliases forever. It does not interest me because it never finds any support. It does not work with Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Bach or Handel. You relapse in to this idea over and over on thread after thread. Whenever you have the slightest excuse. What we want to have is some evidence. If you have some please present it. Otherwise it is only an irritation to me. Lacking any verifiable evidence.

Please make another thread and give us some solid evidence. Life is too short to go round and round in circles.

Your latest contribution being -

All four were either the same man (FJHaydn/Casanova etc) or two brothers.

yanni

05-05-2011, 10:46 AM

Mozart bibliography is extensive enough to support all your fantasies, Robert.

But it doesn't add up, doesn't make sense, and neither do you, the twenty year expert on Mozart's diapers exclusively!

You see, Mozart problematic (life details, music) is not exclusive but covers his associates/promoters/manufacturers and his contemporary and previous composers as well- they are all more problematic than M in fact-and unless they are also examined along with M, no clarity can be reached on 18th cent musicmasters.

So, go ahead and define your research limits as narrow as it suits 'you' and your 'cover all other lies' subject!

Musicology

05-05-2011, 01:48 PM

Yanni,

If you have solutions please provide them. With evidence. Or else you are just increasing the problems. That is my view.

And my posts are not confined to Mozart's childhood years. Read the thread in the last few days. I have posted several times on Mozart's Vienna career. You have obviously not read them. But you never read what is inconvenient, do you ?

Mozart bibliography is extensive enough to support all your fantasies, Robert.

But it doesn't add up, doesn't make sense, and neither do you, the twenty year expert on Mozart's diapers exclusively!

You see, Mozart problematic (life details, music) is not exclusive but covers his associates/promoters/manufacturers and his contemporary and previous composers as well- they are all more problematic than M in fact-and unless they are also examined along with M, no clarity can be reached on 18th cent musicmasters.

So, go ahead and define your research limits as narrow as it suits 'you' and your 'cover all other lies' subject!

yanni

05-06-2011, 12:50 AM

Your answer, 'just increasing the problems', confirms my original position that you are in fact 'defining....your limits as narrow as it suits 'you' and your 'cover all other lies' subject!'!

You see, Mozart problematic (life details, music) is not exclusive but covers his associates/promoters/manufacturers and his contemporary and previous composers as well- they are all more problematic than M in fact-and unless they are also examined along with M, no clarity can be reached on 18th cent musicmasters.

So, go ahead and define your research limits as narrow as it suits 'you' and your 'cover all other lies' subject!

Musicology

05-06-2011, 07:27 AM

Yes, I reserve the right to define/limit myself to the subject of W.A. Mozart and the manufacture of his musical reputation. Which, when shown, illustrates that it is a case study of an issue that is far larger and which you already suspect yourself. Anything that is of relevance to illustrating this case study on Mozart is relevant here. What is not directly relevant is the failed idea that JS Bach was Handel, that Josef Haydn was Casanova and countless other examples of your speculations. This thread is on Mozart. As I have said no less than twenty different times on this thread. Mozart is an almost ideal case study to illustrate that the history of music of which we are familiar is largely nonsense. That is its value. Post something on Mozart and please learn to respect the subject of this thread. Thank You.

Your answer, 'just increasing the problems', confirms my original position that you are in fact 'defining....your limits as narrow as it suits 'you' and your 'cover all other lies' subject!'!

You see, Mozart problematic (life details, music) is not exclusive but covers his associates/promoters/manufacturers and his contemporary and previous composers as well- they are all more problematic than M in fact-and unless they are also examined along with M, no clarity can be reached on 18th cent musicmasters.

So, go ahead and define your research limits as narrow as it suits 'you' and your 'cover all other lies' subject!

yanni

05-06-2011, 07:46 AM

As you have never managed to live up to your- online, in this forum-commitment to prove that JSBach was ever on record in a different place at any given time than GFHandel, my re 'failed idea' and 'other examples of speculations' seem solid enough, particularly when also listing already as #1 in some six million google hits (such as "Beethoven+Koch", or even "Beethoven +puzzle").

So, go ahead and define your research limits as narrow as it suits 'you' and your 'cover all other lies' subject!

Musicology

05-06-2011, 01:21 PM

Yanni,

Thank You.

I know what I am speaking about. And, perhaps more importantly, I know what is a diversion from it. (Intended or unintended). The Mozart of convention (the one we generally see and hear about) is the product of a belief system that is alien to most people. And which few suspect. But which has kidnapped the fair and open study of musical history almost since it first came to dominate the subject academically and culturally - replacing the fair and honest study of evidence with unquestioned fairy stories and myths. This was deliberate. It still is. And it's not confined to western music history. It is part of the myth making of western civilization. That is why this single case of Mozart and his career has to be presented slowly and why I cannot spend my life continually repeating that other subjects are of secondary importance.

Your posts are as welcome as others. In certain areas they may have value in their own right. But if they are not of obvious relevance to the main subject of Mozart I have no time or energy to keep reminding you of it.

Best wishes

As you have never managed to live up to your- online, in this forum-commitment to prove that JSBach was ever on record in a different place at any given time than GFHandel, my re 'failed idea' and 'other examples of speculations' seem solid enough, particularly when also listing already as #1 in some six million google hits (such as "Beethoven+Koch", or even "Beethoven +puzzle").

So, go ahead and define your research limits as narrow as it suits 'you' and your 'cover all other lies' subject!

yanni

05-07-2011, 01:32 AM

Whatever you say!

So, go ahead and define your research limits as narrow as it suits 'you' and your 'cover all other lies' subject!

Musicology

05-07-2011, 05:19 AM

I already have. The flexibility of this thread allows me to repeat myself to Yanni twenty one times consecutively. With best wishes.

Whatever you say!

So, go ahead and define your research limits as narrow as it suits 'you' and your 'cover all other lies' subject!

Patrick_Bateman

05-07-2011, 07:05 AM

I already have. The flexibility of this thread allows me to repeat myself to Yanni twenty one times consecutively. With best wishes.

All you do is repeat the same spiel. You don't put forward ANY evidence whatever and only allude to possible findings that may reveal discrepancies.

Pathetic effort for 15+ years work.

Musicology

05-07-2011, 03:52 PM

Patrick Bateman,

Thank you for another generous and complimentary post ! In my last I repeatedly advised you visit the Austrian National Library to examine the musical score used at the premiere of 'Le Nozze di Figaro' (1786) in Vienna and also refered to numerous other works of Mozart's last Vienna decade. You have also seen articles earlier on this thread on Mozart's early musical tours, and even on his faked musical exam for entrance to the Bologna Academy in Italy. Which you may read at some time. They may help.

Shall I post links to several articles already published on this thread ? Since your amnesia seems to be specially bad today, yes ? Or, shall we call it a specially severe return of 'Cognitive Dissonance' ? Mozart was virtually unknown in Vienna. Contrary to popular belief. So says all the actual evidence.

Here is one of the almost unknown and hugely talented men who helped make much of 'Mozart's' music ready for posthumous publication. In Bohemia. (Others elsewhere). Cartellieri in particular the true composer of the the 'Mozart' Clarinet Concerto (KV622). Cartellieri was briefly as famous as Beethoven in Vienna (the two men sharing a concert venue shortly after their arrival there). But I don't want to go too fast. He befriended Beethoven. And, in fact, the 'Eroica' Symphony was eventually dedicated to him.

As for your claim that Mozart's greatness can never be disputed (questioned), I think you have your answer. And will get more of the same if you keep reading (and listening).

Antonio Cartellieri (1772-1807)
Clarinet Concerto
Allegro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwS3u2dY0qY&feature=related

Best wishes

All you do is repeat the same spiel. You don't put forward ANY evidence whatever and only allude to possible findings that may reveal discrepancies.

Pathetic effort for 15+ years work.

Patrick_Bateman

05-14-2011, 03:21 PM

Musicology, you meantion that there is no evidence that Mozart ever toured his gifts and gave concerts (even in his hometown)

This goes against myriad of eyewitness accounts including that of von Goethe.

Goethe mentions several tims that he saw Mozart perform in Frankfurt when the latter was 7. One of these instances was when he was comparing Mendelssohn - whom he also met when Mendelssohn was himself a child prodigy - the 12 year old musical whizz in 1821 to Mozart as a child.

Even a great literary figure like Goethe adored Mozart, having a particular penchant for Don Giovanni and lamented that Mozart never set Faust to music. Goethe was a director of a court theatre during his lifetime and I believe he is a far better judge of music and of Mozart than you or I.

His recollections refute your claims than Mozart never toured around Europe and also damage your vile interpretation of Mozart's operas being lousy.

Why can't you face the overwhelming facts and stop dwelling on very flimsy and scarce 'proof' you believe you have.

Musicology

05-15-2011, 12:10 PM

Patrick Bateman,

OK, can you provide us details of musical concerts given in Salzburg by W.A. Mozart at any time during his life ? Just one. Not much to ask, is it ? The answers never come from you, do they ? Because the truth is neither you nor anyone else in the entire history of Mozart studies can give us a single example of him performing music in Salzburg for an audience during his whole lifetime. That on top of the fact nobody is on record of teaching him composition, theory, or even playing keyboard. How is that for childhood 'genius' ? And certainly not a single concert given there during his childhood. How about these basic facts, for a start ? If I tell you my next door neighbour's cat is a part time pilot for British Airways, will you believe me ?

As for 'eyewitness' accounts you refer to the account of the 14 years old boy von Goethe in Frankfurt. Whose chief comment was that the boy Mozart wore a sword ! LOL. He (Goethe) did not care for what he actually heard. And Mozart complained at the row that was going on at the time. Because the truth is there was no 'concert' in Frankfurt. There was merely a group of local performers including trumpeters. And he says so. Nor are you aware of the fact that Goethe was claiming to have seen him when he (Goethe) was 14. At an inn. Where, as it just so happens, there were always town musicians playing - there in that Inn. The town musicians, in fact. But don't tell the children, will you ? Mozart was staying there at the time. This is the same J von Goethe who became a major member of the Illuminati. But that fact does not count, of course ! You can delete that fact also. I might mention numerous other members of the same Illuminati who were closely connected with Mozart's career although, of course, this will also mean nothing to you. Baron Van Swieten, for example, in Vienna. One of Mozart's major 'patrons'. The only 'patron' of Mozart's public concerts to sign up to 'his' proposed concerts in 1787 in Vienna was he. Concerts which were abandoned. Don't tell the children, will you ? Since nobody was subcribing to these faked Vienna concerts any more after the events of 1784 and 1785. Which were as faked and invented as his earlier ones. Or what of the Bonn music publisher Simrock ? Also a member of the Bavarian Illuminati. Or how about the Vienna publisher Hoffmeister, (another Vienna publisher of 'Mozart's' music during his last decade, who, as it happens, was also a member of the Illuminati. Or what of von Born, a patron of Leopold and Wolfgang Mozart - himself a member of the Illuminati). Or what of Artaria or Brietkopf and Hartel, or Mollo (the first and last of these being closely associated by the aristocracy with those music factories of Milan, Como and the monasteries of Switzerland).

Goethe was himself a supplier of music years later to the young Felix Mendelssohn. It was all part of the network to make 'great' composers.

I don't say and have never said 'Mozart's' operas were lousy. You did. It's another invention of yours. I say they were not music by Mozart. I said they were by other composers. Quite different from what you have just said. And they were bungled arrangements of music made by Mozart. Booed off the stage. Not one 'Mozart' opera was published in his whole lifetime. That too is another fact. And I have twice posted here on the real background to 'Le Nozze di Figaro' of 1786 (which, in fact, was a hastily made arrangement bungled by Mozart of already existing music by others, newly set to Italian words there in Vienna by Lorenzo da Ponte and advertised as having been composed by the bogus 'Kapellemeister' Mozart). So say the actual facts. The documentary evidence, that is. It was the same Lorenzo da Ponte who said (and I repeat it) that Mozart was completely unknown in Vienna and 'never' showed his talents in the Austrian capital. How about that ? Is the picture starting to emerge, at last ? Those are da Ponte's own writings. The man who was associated with the 'genius' for several operas. Argue with him ! And there are others who said the same. It seems you do not like the facts. They cause a certain return of cognitive dissonance although they are facts all the same. You are a consumer of the myth. And nothing else.

You believe one of the most senior members of the Bavarian Illuminati is more reliable on Mozart than I. Fine. But I am basing my views on verifiable evidence with that of others, having examined Mozart's career (real and supposed) over many years, while you are merely repeating hyperbole of the 200 years old myth makers. Hyperbole that is never (by convention) cross-examined. It took over 60 years before they finally published a catalogue of 'Mozart's' supposed music. 60 years after his death, that is. And in the 150 years since that time more than 50 symphonies that were published and performed in Mozart's name have been found not to be his at all. How is that ? I mean, is a picture starting to emerge yet ? And numerous other works in virtually every form. Starting with the childhood minuet KV1 and ending with KV626, the Requiem (on which there is a ton of evidence he never composed it also. This known as early as 1825). There are dozens, even hundreds of false musical attributions. They are the vast majority, in fact. Now, starting with his childhood, you surely see there is major fakery, exaggeration, and downright fabrication going on here, from first to last. Wholesale. As we have already touched on during his Italian tour in 1770. You should stick around to hear more. So, where is the musical 'genius' ? At what point does he start doing his 'genius' thing ? Nowhere. He exists in your monochrome publications.

At least, so says the evidence. You DO look at both sides, don't you ?

Musicology, you meantion that there is no evidence that Mozart ever toured his gifts and gave concerts (even in his hometown)

This goes against myriad of eyewitness accounts including that of von Goethe.

Goethe mentions several tims that he saw Mozart perform in Frankfurt when the latter was 7. One of these instances was when he was comparing Mendelssohn - whom he also met when Mendelssohn was himself a child prodigy - the 12 year old musical whizz in 1821 to Mozart as a child.

Even a great literary figure like Goethe adored Mozart, having a particular penchant for Don Giovanni and lamented that Mozart never set Faust to music. Goethe was a director of a court theatre during his lifetime and I believe he is a far better judge of music and of Mozart than you or I.

His recollections refute your claims than Mozart never toured around Europe and also damage your vile interpretation of Mozart's operas being lousy.

Why can't you face the overwhelming facts and stop dwelling on very flimsy and scarce 'proof' you believe you have.

Patrick_Bateman

05-15-2011, 01:34 PM

As for 'eyewitness' accounts you refer to the account of the 14 years old boy von Goethe in Frankfurt. Whose chief comment was that the boy Mozart wore a sword ! LOL.

I posted accounts on the contrary. Goethe praised Mozart's operas and even desired one to be written by Mozart using Faust as a text. It appears he was fascinated by more than his sword. And yes of course I value the judgement of an erudite and cultured luminary whose works I have read and studied, over a man from London of whom I know nothing.

It's interesting that you reply to all respondents on this thread with your sarcastic jibe regarding 'looking at both sides.'

because it appears you put YOUR twist on every piece of information on the topic so that everything conforms to your ideas and nothing ventures outside of your field of theory.

Goethe's - and others - recollections of Mozart and his playing prove to us that he toured and was damn good at playing music and also at extemporising but of course you laugh that off because of course - without any evidence or justification in your accusations - they must part of the conspiracy surrounding Mozart.

We don't know who taught him music (we can likely agree that his father gave him some musical education for sure) but this does not mean he was not taught. We KNOW after all that the Padre Martini taught him counterpoint.

I think you went into your research wishing to find something controversial and determined to uncover a fraud and it has clouded your interpretation. You are far to obdurate in your debate and your views, which is most unbecoming in a supposed historian.

You are nothing but a charlatan who's sole aim is to marginalise and denigrate the world's greatest musician. You have no interest in truth and it is well apparent in your attitude to the entire discussion. You do not budge an inch. Listening to you anyone would think Mozart was found in the special needs ward of a hospital tapping at a glockenspiel with wet towel and turned into the poster boy for childhood prodigies and immeasurable genius.

You sir are the real fraud.

Musicology

05-15-2011, 02:14 PM

Patrick Bateman,

Ask you a straight question and we get no answer ? Again ? So, where did Mozart learn music ? From whom did he learn to compose ? And who taught him to play keyboard and violin ? These are questions repeatedly asked of you but no answers are forthcoming. Can you give details of even a single concert he ever gave in his home city of Salzburg ? I repeat that my next door neighbour's cat is a part time pilot of British Airways.

The short answer is 'Zilch, rien, zero, nil' isn't it ?

Goethe was a paid stooge of the occultist Illuminati. Wasn't he ? Illumined ? LOL. But don't tell the children. Icons are like that. Goethe's works are well known where, exactly ? Nowhere. They are famous for being famous. They are great because everyone says they are great. And everyone has been saying they are great for over 200 years. It gets passes in exams. That means they must be great. LOL. Using that standard everything that is said to be great, even by members of the the Illuminati (who controlled virtually all publishing in Germany from around 1773 onwards) must therefore be great - although nobody can tell us exactly what is 'great' about them. This is your argument. And it's as bankrupt as your answers to the above questions. Don't you think that you should study literature a little more than merely repeating the eulogies of the Illuminati who dominated music and literary publishing during Goethe's lifetime ? It's hilarious.

You don't know who taught Mozart music. Well, isn't that a strange thing ? I don't know who taught my next door neighbour's cat to fly jet airliners also. But it does. And you believe it, don't you ?

May I share with you the fact that 5 lines and spaces are a species of music that is used of western mankind. It is not genetically inherited. It has to be taught and learned. But you cannot tell us how in the case of the 'genius'. Thus, the 'genius' of Mozart lacks a shred of documentary, actual evidence.

You next make the statement that Padre Martini of Bologna taught Mozart musical composition. You are once again talking sheer nonsense. There is NO evidence of Martini teaching Mozart anything. But you haven't read the article by Luca Bianchini (here on this thread) on that very subject. A man who has spent decades studying music written in Italy at that very period (the second half of the 18th century). You believe Martini taught Mozart because everyone says Martini taught Mozart. Can you provide some actual evidence ? No. Once again. Evidence is completely lacking. And what we have is a faked music exam made by Mozart. There in Bologna. We have posted on this already. Your cognitive dissonance is making a fool of you. As the documentary evidence shows. How embarassing for you ! These facts have been known in Italy amongst musicologists ever since the late 19th century. But you do not know them, do you ?

Mozart you describe as 'the world's greatest musician'. Patrick, do everyone a favour. Go to Vienna. Examine the actual score of 'Le Nozze di Figaro'. It's there in the Austrian National Library. It has been extensively studied and we were first to do so. If you cannot go PLEASE ask me and we will happily give you a copy of it all of your own. But stop talking nonsense.

I do not call you a fraud. I say you are highly educated. In the mythology of western culture. And nothing else. Since one side is pointing you to facts and to evidence, while you blunder on with error after error, insult after insult, and not a shred of actual, verifiable evidence. That's a 'Mozartean Education' for you !

Consider this - you don't have a clue what you are talking about in respect of the life, career and musical reputation of W.A. Mozart. You never have. That is the truth.

Patrick_Bateman

05-15-2011, 02:18 PM

I don't think you bother reading my posts thoroughly.

Musicology

05-15-2011, 02:24 PM

Patrick_Bateman

05-15-2011, 02:29 PM

Patrick,

Is it possible, just possible, that the history of music is as corrupted, as fallible, as controlled, as manufactured, and as false as the history of warfare, or politics, or any other area of human existence ? Since there is no honest researcher today who believes otherwise. Except those morons who have never cross-examined their own dogmas.

The sheer scale of falsehood in this case (W.A. Mozart) is breathtaking. I don't ask you to believe it just because it's said. But because, in fact, the evidence is overwhelming. Some basic facts of which have already been shared here for men like you, Mr Bateman.

You say Padre Martini taught Mozart nothing in the realm of music. I have read material that says Martini taught him counterpoint (Piero Melograni for example)
Why are you so undeniably right and a fellow music historian who had studied and done their own research so 'clearly' in error??

I'm sorry but you are too cavalier in your attitude. A lot of your argument rests on your own personal interpretation. Which is the only course of action since you are bereft of supportive facts.

Musicology

05-15-2011, 02:36 PM

Patrick,

Please calm down. Piero Melagrani was a teacher of Political Science who studied the subject of whether Mozart learned music from Padre Martini no more than you, Patrick Bateman, have done. Melagrani merely repeated what others had said before him. Countless times. Providing no evidence whatsoever.

But if you have some evidence of the 14 years old Mozart learning composition in Bologna from Padre Martini please provide it here. None exists. It has never existed. And I know a few music articles posted on this thread speaking of this very subject which you and the entire musical public appear not to have read.

You say Padre Martini taught Mozart nothing in the realm of music. I have read material that says Martini taught him counterpoint (Piero Melograni for example)
Why are you so undeniably right and a fellow music historian who had studied and done their own research so 'clearly' in error??

I'm sorry but you are too cavalier in your attitude. A lot of your argument rests on your own personal interpretation. Which is the only course of action since you are bereft of supportive facts.

It is surely an amazing fact that in more than 200 years of Mozart related research (which is everywhere seen as being presided over by experts and which is patronised and sponsored by major corporations) nobody ever examined or wrote on the musical contents of the operatic score of ‘The Marriage of Figaro’ (1786) used at its premiere on 1st May 1786 - but which is held today in two separated volumes in the Austrian National Library there in Vienna. (Quite a fate for one of the most famous operas in musical history, you may agree !).

In fact, it was not until the late British music researcher Alan Tyson skimmed through those two volumes and wrote to recommend their study without further delay that, eventually (in 2008) two Italian researchers Agostino Taboga and Luca Bianchini, while visiting Austria, decided to pay for a complete microfiche to be made - the first ever made of this famous score - and took the results back to examine and analyse their contents - reaching the remarkable conclusion after close examination of both text and music this is a rather clumsy musical arrangement. (Bianchini being an expert on 18th century opera over many years. And the musical analysis and text further assisted by Anna Trombetta). These volumes are beyond reasonable doubt music that was composed by others earlier that was hastily arranged later by W.A. Mozart for May 1786 for a newly set Italian text by Lorenzo da Ponte. Thus they are derived from an earlier German musical version. Both the music and text are derived from an earlier version that was composed and written by others. But this arrangement was pawned off as being Mozart’s and da Ponte’s own original achievement in Vienna of May of 1786. The arrangement we find here being so poor (musically and textually) that it was withdrawn only a few performances later to hissing and booing from the Vienna audience. Because it is almost unperformable. A fact refered to in newspapers of the time in the Austrian capital but ignored, as so much else in 'Mozart Studies'. Such facts are simply not convenient. The English version of this article includes other notes by me.

http://www.mediafire.com/?p1dbvzi779ankzy

Dear Edward,

Thank you for raising questions on two Mozart family musical notebooks which you have seen for yourself and which, you say, prove that Nannerl and Wolfgang ''were being taught music during their early years. And which are said to prove ''they were also composing works of their own''. And thank you for asking me to answer your points here, so that readers can see for themselves the truth (or otherwise) of these things.

I am of course very happy to oblige. Please post here yourself if you have further problems. But, in the meantime -

In reply to your first question, Mozart’s first public appearance dates from 1761. When he was 5 years old. In Salzburg. But, before we start to eulogise and float away in raptures at such an early date Wolfgang’s role at that time was that of a childhood dancer, with dozens of others. This was for a play where he appeared on the 1st and again 3rd September 1761 in a play called ‘Sigismundus Hungariae’ by Salzburg teacher and prefect Marian Wimmer. With its incidental music supplied by local composer Eberlin. In fact the total production was dominated by the appearance of the town’s children, only some of whom were actually pupils at that school. But all of them were ‘geniuses’, of course. A school play, in fact.

In further reply to your question, (since you believe Wolfgang was undergoing musical instruction and was starting to compose in those early years) reference is made by you to two surviving books. First of which is one written for Nannerl Mozart, his older sister. Which, as it happens, first surfaced 103 years after Mozart's birth and which contains minuets and other short pieces in the hands of numerous visitors to Salzburg, including a set of 12 variations. Each of these variations by another composer. The original theme is assumed to be by Leopold Mozart, her father. And it’s in this book made for Nannerl where we find what are called the ‘first’ compositions of Wolfgang, her younger brother. These two works are listed today as KV4 (a Minuet in F Major) and as KV6 (a Sonata for Harpischord and Violin - which was written in to the book during the Mozart family visit to Paris 3 years later, 1764). But KV4 is not in the hand of Wolfgang at all. Not here in this book. It was merely attributed to him by his father who, after writing it there adds ‘Di Wolfgango Mozart, 11 May 1762’ and, again with KV6 which is written in Leopold’s handwriting there with the inscription ‘16 July 1764’.

We must also apologise for the fact that the 'Mozart' works previously known as KV1, KV2, KV3 and KV5 were finally found (though only after 1860, you see) not to be by W.A. Mozart. Cough. Cough !

The second notebook, which is still generally believed to have been made for Wolfgang, has survived complete. And what could be more convincing than the fact that on its first page is an inscription made in Leopold Mozart’s hand, ‘ To my dear son Wolfgang Amade on his sixth name day, from his father Leopold Mozart. Salzburg. Salzburg. 31st October 1762.’. That sounds convincing, doesn't it ? I mean, it looks great !!!

In fact, this notebook (according to those who have closely studied it) contains 135 musical pieces. Which Wolfgang's proud father may be imagined as compiling for his prodigious and rapidly learning son. A strange fact of which is the relatively recent discovery that all 135 pieces are ordered in exactly the same keys as the Inventions and Sinfonias of a certain J.S. Bach. What chance is there of that ? A strange fact, you may agree ? And are further sub-divided into 25 ‘suites’. The music itself is drawn not from Wolfgang Mozart, nor from Leopold or Nannerl, but (as it happens) has been taken from part of a musical work that had been published back in 1752 (4 years before Mozart’s birth) by a certain Count Stolberg-Vernigerode. (About whom we will hear more later). And the actual composers represented here include music by Johann Friedrich Grafe (1711-87), Conrade Hurlesusche (1696-1765), G.P. Telemann (1681-1767), Johann Adolf Hasse, and others. So none of this music is actually by W.A. Mozart. Sorry about that. !

But no sooner have been disappointed than we now run in to fresh problems. Herman Abert (whose biography of Mozart is well known) wrote an article on this very ‘Mozart Notebook of 1762’ which proved disappointing for him because it has since been discovered the whole notebook was actually written years before Wolfgang Mozart was born - around 1750 - and therefore already existed 6 years before the genius started composing. Unless of course he was composing before the moment of his conception. Sorry about that. ! Furthermore, this notebook has been proved to be a fake by a detailed analysis made of its contents by Wolfgang Plath, also of its paper type, and other music related matters. On which the same Wolfgang Plath wrote a much less well publicised and appreciated article, ‘Leopold Mozart’s Notebook for Wolfgang of 1762 - A Falsification’. Plath, of course, spent decades trying to make sense of Mozart's handwriting. But the verdict on this notebook is not disputed. By anyone. Sorry about that !

Apart from this, you may be sure ‘everything you’ve heard is true’. Honest !

yanni

05-17-2011, 12:35 AM

Who done it?

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My only disagreement is on your –and Dan Brown’s- “All roads lead to Rome” convenient focus on the identity of “the manufacturer”:

Compared to “arts and sciences” and relative institutions (coincidentaly all under a Cochin or "Cassini" or "Caussin" or Cocchi(!) at the time) serving the interests of the Royal House of France, church, including Rome, had a secondary role only.
(Following Galileo, even Rome understood and adopted “sciences” and they were themselves into the use of art for their propaganda fide long before.)

When you carefully examine each and every of my “Saint Germain” aliases, you’ll realise that british interests were not neglected when they (Strict Observance) partitioned “their world”, thus you’ll be able at least to explain Gluck’s irish successes at the time of Luis XVI and wife “removal” (and also strengthen your rather weak "transition of power to other societies" post 1773 argument).

I say “at least” because the “cover up” was and remains much broader than just music, so broad in fact as to still tip today the balance between “truth” and “common good” in favour of the latter, as all “too big to fail” lies still do.

Read my research thru, starting with “Poe decoded.Announcement!” thread to trace :

a)Rome’s minor, if any, participation inthe creation of a new religion suitable for their-agreed upon- rebelious "New World"

as well as

b)“Rousseau’s” (and not only) claim to the role of “protector” to the throne of France (eversince 1601), bearing also in mind his “Pierre Michel Hennin",head of Secret du Roi and royal treasurer, persona.

Consider “Collini” and “Hennin” also to at least absolve Voltaire: He, like most other luminaries, was just another tool in "Rousseau's" hands.

Having said all that:

I still don’t believe he called all the shots after 1787: He was quite old already and his Russian “personae” had won him over, he had disagreed with Necker, given up France and his conscience propably troubled him. (His "Raynal" identity and itinerary still troubles me nevertheless!)

“Other forces” had the upper hand by then, knew all about him, whereas he still wanted to keep the family’s royal secret intact, was insitutionaly and privately indebted, thus staged his “deaths” (but propably not those of his eternal IOUs).

“Moz-art” (or Dali's obelisk ridden elephants) says it all but so does the silence of another “Collini”, scholar on enlightment, and many others as well, inlcuding many silent descendants

If you want to have your book ever published you might think it over-where Truth ends- again.

Your thoughts.

Musicology

05-17-2011, 05:37 AM

Yanni,

If I may give some constructive advice (?) - when you write on subjects that are full of obscure and unverified speculations you should add light, and not take it away. You should speak clearly. As if you are in broad daylight. Then people will always be interested in what you say and write. It provides proof you have something worth saying. Your last post is unfortunately as obscure as usual.

Let me give you an example. The 'British' to whom you are refering are, in fact, not British at all. They are elites of an internationalist and unelected dynasty. Since the dynasty that ruled at that time was of 'German' origin. The elites thereof. I am so glad we sorted that out. No more relevant to British or German people than the Royal visit to Dublin.

You see my point ? You have obviously been reading too much of Herr von Goethe ! (The 'supreme genius of modern German literature').

CPE Bach
Symphony
Wq 182/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuQ0gfJeLKs&feature=related

yanni

05-17-2011, 06:05 AM

Don't think you can teach me anything, Robert, not after picking a tiny 'winner' out of my lengthy post to then distort/falsify my re words even,to enhance the effect:

Never spoke of 'The British' as you say but of 'british interests' only, functioning within, with the approval and for the interest of your elite/royalty running the country then...and later on.

Shame on you!

Musicology

05-17-2011, 06:08 AM

Yanni,

I have stopped thinking I can teach you anything.

We really must not confuse 'British interests' with those of the British. They are totally different. One is an unelected corporation/dynasty and a parasite on mankind while the British are the men and women of this island.

Glad we sorted that out !

Don't think you can teach me anything, Robert, not after picking a tiny 'winner' out of my lengthy post to then distort/falsify my re words even,to enhance the effect:

Never spoke of 'The British' as you say but of 'british interests' only, functioning within, with the approval and for the interest of your elite/royalty running the country then...and later on.

Shame on you!

Dear Edward,

Thank you for replying to my post here of this morning. I'm glad to learn it was helpful. You ask of Mozart's education generally. But, since you might think I'm being prejudiced here is a quote from one of the most widely consulted Mozart biographies. By Herman Abert. (Revised several times since then and used widely by those who write on Mozart). A standard textbook, in fact. We are told there -

''Mozart’s education is shrouded in mystery. We do not know whether he attended school in Salzburg, and, if so, which school''.

and this -

''There is very little evidence Mozart read any German literature as a youth''.

(Herman Abert - ‘Mozart’ p. 68)

But that’s all right. We find the same glaring gap with his alleged musical education also. There is literally no limit to our gullibility on Mozart. That is, with him supposedly learning keyboard, composition or any musical subject at all. All very strange, of course. Since here too there is nothing. This is of course to be interpreted as certain proof that he, the 'wunderkind', must have been a genius. And we all believe that, don't we ? Of course we do. Let's hold on to our seats as the show hits the road. (Faked musical notebooks written 6 years before his birth notwithstanding, of course). Or, as the apostle Thomas once famously said - 'Lord, help my unbelief' !

I would post longer on this brief subject but my next door neighbour’s cat is now getting ready to fly a 747 passenger jet to Rio from London and has asked me to buy him some kippers at the fish shop. Duty calls !

Patrick_Bateman

05-19-2011, 07:36 AM

I think Musicology's surname is Salieri

Musicology

05-19-2011, 08:38 AM

Thank you Patrick Bateman,

Cognitive dissonance has shaped your last post. The awful realisation that what you've been taught and believed (and what is widely believed as convention) is grossly incompatible with the evidence. The good news is however you're nearly half way to realising there may be a solution. But that solution will come after first realising, for sure, there is a problem. (Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to realise there really is a problem. Without which the situation remains).

But, above everything else, good wins in the end ! Honest.

Rgds

CPE Bach
Double Concerto
3rd Mv't

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zlraGqj9DA&feature=related

I think Musicology's surname is Salieri

Patrick_Bateman

05-19-2011, 04:26 PM

Musicology

05-19-2011, 05:44 PM

Patrick Bateman,

Any interpretation which fails to account for the evidence (especially on basic issues) is by definition perverse. And you can be sure that those things worthy of being believed really need little interpretation of ours. In the case of W.A. Mozart (his life, career and musical achievements) even the basic facts, it seems, have somehow been hidden from you. You have, somehow, been a long term victim of wholesale obscurantism. Thus, now in fog, you have no choice but to believe in the 'genius' of Mozart. It transcends any need to actually examine or appreciate the evidence. But it gets worse. It also has the knock on effect of making you rubbish those who go out of their way to present you with it. And this, in turn, makes it hard for you to answer straight questions.

I believe this alarming track record of yours (which shows no prospect of ending in the near future) qualifies you for membership of the Mozarteum in Salzburg and may also qualify you for big discounts on all Mozart CD's.

(Should you require a letter of recommendation to obtain the former please ask and I will be happy to oblige). In the meantime -

Sinfonia in D
BWV 1045

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scT5a-q7ehU&feature=related

'Freely divulged by Mozart biographers' ? Yes indeed ! I think it is called 'seeing the wood for the trees'. Isn't it amazing how the very opposite is so widely taught and believed ? Honest confession is good for the soul, or what ? LOL

The amusing thing is a lot of what you say is freely divulged by Mozart biographers and musicologists. It is only your perverse interpretation that deviates from the fact.

WyattGwyon

05-19-2011, 11:39 PM

Okay Musicology, the point is taken. Many details of Mozart's biography are fabricated. He was raised as a kind of freak-show circus performer after all, so big surprise. What is it you are trying to accomplish again?

Anyway, I have raised the ire of Mozart enthusiasts over the years by asserting that in general, CPE Bach's keyboard concertos are more interesting than Mozart's, that a couple of his Prussian Sonatas are years ahead of most of Mozart's solo keyboard music, and by making other inflammatory statements I'm not sure I really believe. Also by asserting that Mozart wrote enormous quantities of undistinguished music along with the works of true genius.

But seriously dude, what's up?

yanni

05-20-2011, 01:58 AM

"Musicology" is using a new approach to the tradition of focusing on Mozart to obscure 18th cent music history. If he didn't, the cultural-national histories of many european countries would have to be rewritten. That's all.

Musicology

05-20-2011, 07:51 AM

WyattGwyon,

Many details of Mozart's biography are fabricated. Yes, for sure. And how many people know this ? Virtually none. Because no teachers are telling students of this fact.

You ask what I am trying to accomplish. Let me answer you.

The situation at present is easily described. But you better sit comfortably because the implications are huge. It's as follows -

The history of western music (which includes the lives, careers and music of over 20,000 composers) is dominated, literally, by a few handfuls of 'great' composers. Isn't it ? We are not the first to say this. It's an indisputable fact. Isn't it ? It's dominated by a pantheon, in fact, of 'great' composers. They and 'their' music. Which are published, performed, and eulogised, whether they individually composed it, or not. From Palestrina onwards. And the patrons of these 'great' composers, what of them ? Who, exactly, manufactured this 'history of western music' with which we are familiar other than those who, at that time (and their descendants still now) literally control its content ?

What if............. virtually all 'great' composers of western musical history were manufactured by the supply to them of works they never actually wrote ? Systematically, deliberately and cynically. To control the 'education' of those who like music ? What then ? Well, let's test this thesis. With W.A. Mozart. That would be genuine test case, you may agree. A big project. Surely (you say) you cannot be serious. But I am.

I can tell you that beyond fair and reasonable doubt W.A. Mozart was a musician of no great talent. Who was built up artificially to be a 'genius' through networks of aristocrats, publishers, fraternity contacts and the usual eulogies to become an idol of western musical culture. So says the evidence. While the facts, the real facts of his life and career are studiously overlooked, ignored, and even suppressed. Wholesale. Deliberately. Time and time again. The same is true of the supposed musical careers of Handel, Haydn, and even Beethoven and Schubert.

So, what 'is' the history of western music ? The answer is it's what 'they' want it to be. And always has been. It is no more representative of musical achievement than the corporate news is of what is really happening in the world. Since in both cases the consumer consumes and the criticism is almost zero. Mozart is a musical paradigm.

Does that matter ? I think it does. The managers of 'musical history' (and even of musicology these days) churn out rehashes of ideas given to them by those they quote what others before them have quoted. They compete only in eulogy. It gives them 30 pieces of silver. They preside over a musical Easter Island, complete with iconic statues and fairy stories.

And music deserves better.

That is the point of it. Musicology has been hijacked long ago. Soon after its birth, in fact. Replaced by corporate fictions. From the Babylonian controllers of western 'civilization', so called. With music as one of its first victims. Music (as in ancient Greece) was considered to be a vital thing to control. So says the evidence.

And, since you ask, what are you are trying to accomplish with your question ? You now have your answer.

Okay Musicology, the point is taken. Many details of Mozart's biography are fabricated. He was raised as a kind of freak-show circus performer after all, so big surprise. What is it you are trying to accomplish again?

Anyway, I have raised the ire of Mozart enthusiasts over the years by asserting that in general, CPE Bach's keyboard concertos are more interesting than Mozart's, that a couple of his Prussian Sonatas are years ahead of most of Mozart's solo keyboard music, and by making other inflammatory statements I'm not sure I really believe. Also by asserting that Mozart wrote enormous quantities of undistinguished music along with the works of true genius.

But seriously dude, what's up?

Yanni,

Take the word 'Government'. What does it mean, actually ?

Govern - To Rule Over
Ment - The Mind

A version of history exists which governs the education of students and which rules over their minds. Institutionally, that is. That's 'mind control' isn't it ? Whether it is pleasurable or not. The one found in the textbooks. Criticism of which is virtually zero.

I can watch a 3D film in a cinema. But, to watch it and to enjoy this artificial effect I must wear those special glasses. Our western 'musical history' is the same. Remove the glasses and we see things as they really are. That is the importance of a critical and modern examination of the Mozart phenomenon. A case study, in fact. And an illustration of the power of dogma.

Mozart's career was almost entirely falsified. Musically speaking. So says the evidence. By the same people, in fact, who control news, publishing and education still today. Mozart is the Isis and Osiris of western musical culture, its Nike and its Macdonalds. There are no 'experts'. We are all paying lip service to a myth. Cleverly constructed by the controllers of western academic culture. The single greatest improvement would be a musicology where criticism is welcomed and where the manipulation of musical and biographical evidence is exposed. The alternative is what we already see. A world turning back to the pagan cultures of ancient antiquity, complete with idols, pantheons, and unquestioned/unaccountable priests.

Music deserves better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8&feature=related

"Musicology" is using a new approach to the tradition of focusing on Mozart to obscure 18th cent music history. If he didn't, the cultural-national histories of many european countries would have to be rewritten. That's all.

yanni

05-20-2011, 11:30 AM

Allow me to once more express my apart-ment, then.

Patrick_Bateman

05-20-2011, 12:40 PM

I imagine Musicology types his retorts with legs crossed sat in a beautiful leather Chesterfield, pipe in mouth, wearing a smug and haughty countenance with the belief that he is better than the rest and is the only mortal to have circumvented the mind control that Western music scholars and historians have imposed on the other 6 billion of us.

Are you a Holocaust denier too? Have you visited Atlantis? Did Roger Rabbit assassinate JFK??

Come on enlighten us with more of your crackpot theories.

ERS

05-21-2011, 03:13 AM

Salieri - La Fiera di Venezia
Moldavian National Symphony Orchestra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5rU49jjpyo

Musicology

05-21-2011, 05:08 AM

Patrick Bateman,

Since this thread is only and exclusively on W.A. Mozart its focus is on W.A. Mozart. This may of course be seen as a conspiracy by you but it's the truth. Though it's a subject on which you seem strangely mute. We haven't noticed - LOL !!!

May I suggest you start a thread on something else ? It will deflect us from laughing at your failures with W.A. Mozart.

Which reminds me of an obscure incident in the life and times of Indian activist Muhatma Ghandi. After touring England's cities he was approached by a BBC camera crew and was asked 'What do you think of British civilization'. ??? Ghandi bowed his head, made one of those toothless smiles for which he is famous and replied, 'Sir, I will surely let you know when I do find British civilization'. :smash:

LOL !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zlraGqj9DA&feature=related

I imagine Musicology types his retorts with legs crossed sat in a beautiful leather Chesterfield, pipe in mouth, wearing a smug and haughty countenance with the belief that he is better than the rest and is the only mortal to have circumvented the mind control that Western music scholars and historians have imposed on the other 6 billion of us.

Are you a Holocaust denier too? Have you visited Atlantis? Did Roger Rabbit assassinate JFK??

Come on enlighten us with more of your crackpot theories.

Gilliatt Gurgle

05-21-2011, 08:13 AM

...Which reminds me of an obscure incident in the life and times of Indian activist Muhatma Ghandi. After touring England's cities he was approached by a BBC camera crew and was asked 'What do you think of British civilization'. ??? Ghandi bowed his head, made one of those toothless smiles for which he is famous and replied, 'Sir, I will surely let you know when I do find British civilization'...

Buon giorno Robert,
There always be an England:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhUFVrdsd2A&feature=related

By the way, what’s the latest on Mysliveček and in particular his role in the Italian Campaign? Any new developments?

Thanks
Gilliatt

Patrick_Bateman

05-21-2011, 09:14 AM

Patrick Bateman,

Since this thread is only and exclusively on W.A. Mozart its focus is on W.A. Mozart. This may of course be seen as a conspiracy by you but it's the truth. Though it's a subject on which you seem strangely mute. We haven't noticed - LOL !!!

May I suggest you start a thread on something else ? It will deflect us from laughing at your failures with W.A. Mozart.

Which reminds me of an obscure incident in the life and times of Indian activist Muhatma Ghandi. After touring England's cities he was approached by a BBC camera crew and was asked 'What do you think of British civilization'. ??? Ghandi bowed his head, made one of those toothless smiles for which he is famous and replied, 'Sir, I will surely let you know when I do find British civilization'. :smash:

LOL !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zlraGqj9DA&feature=related

I have been far from mute on the subject.

I supplied ample facts about Mozart's life and the society and state of music at the time in which he lived.

To which you have evaded each point, refusing to counter my repudiation of your theory.

Musicology

05-21-2011, 09:24 AM

Patrick Bateman,

I will today post here a list of questions you have been asked on this thread reference Mozart and which you have repeatedly failed to answer. That list will speak for itself.

Always remember 'Everything you've heard is true' (and that's official) - Trailer to the film 'Amadeus'.

I have been far from mute on the subject.

I supplied ample facts about Mozart's life and the society and state of music at the time in which he lived.

To which you have evaded each point, refusing to counter my repudiation of your theory.

‘The Dangling Conversation’

(also known as NASA - ‘Never a Straight Answer’)
Or‘

''Cognitive Dissonance and Patrick Bateman’s heroic struggle to break free from its Tentacles’ '

POST NUMBER ON THIS THREAD

Number 200

'Who taught Mozart music' ?
'Why was Mozart famous in 1763 and 1764' ?

Number 202

You say the Archbishop of Salzburg allowed Mozart to represent Salzburg when on tour. Can you give us a single example of Mozart doing so ? Just one ?

Number 206

Please give us proof W.A. Mozart was representing Salzburg at any time during the 7 years of his childhood tours of Europe.

Number 209

Can you provide evidence that W.A. Mozart was ''representing Salzburg'' from 1773 onwards ?

Number 220

1. Who was paid 450 Florins by Josef 2nd ?

2. When ?

3. For what ?

Number 243

Which 'experts' are you refering to ?

Where did Mozart go to school ? If at all.
When did Mozart learn music ?
Who taught him composition ? If at all.
Can you give a list of 'his' compositions up to, say, his teenage years, that stands cross-examination ? You can choose any year you like. Can it get more simple ?
Can you admit his music entrance exam to Bologna (1770) was faked ? An article on this by Bianchini has already been posted here.
Can you name a single public concert given by W.A. Mozart in his home city of Salzburg ? At any time in his whole life ?
Can you tell us when Mozart studied keyboard playing ? And under which teacher ?
Have you actually examined the alleged musical career of Mozart in any detail ?

Contemporary writers on music (such as JN Forkel, Da Ponte, Koch and others), all show 'Mozart' was virtually unknown, even in Vienna, during his last decade. Contrary to the fairy story. Do you want their statements on this ?. Do their statements mean anything to you ?

Number 256

And what is 'outrageous' about the theory that George Onslow was with L v Beethoven (1770-1827) in Vienna ?

Number 260

'Die Entfuhrung aus dem Serail'. That music is not by Mozart. So said contemporary writers including those present at its premiere. Did you know this ?

As for Le Nozze di Figaro (1786) have you examined this subject, at all ?

Will you please go to the Austrian National Library to look at the score of the opera held there which dates from the premiere itself ?

The contemporary writers of the time (e.g. those who wrote on music in the 1780's) strangely do not list 'Le Nozze di Figaro' as being an opera by W.A. Mozart. Strange, isn't it ?

You may be aware of several arias composed for Cosi fan tutte by a certain composer named Antonio Salieri ?

Number 262

On what evidence (that is, on what verifiable evidence) do you believe in the story of W.A. Mozart, 'musical genius' ?

Number 280

You DO look at both sides, don't you ?

Number 282

You believe Padre Martini taught Mozart because, well, everyone says Padre Martini taught Mozart. Can you provide some actual evidence ?

//

Simon and Garfunkel
'The Dangling Conversation'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yC-Zar35Vc

Patrick_Bateman

05-21-2011, 12:48 PM

‘The Dangling Conversation’

(also known as NASA - ‘Never a Straight Answer’)
Or‘

''Cognitive Dissonance and Patrick Bateman’s heroic struggle to break free from its Tentacles’ '

POST NUMBER ON THIS THREAD

Number 200

'Who taught Mozart music' ?
'Why was Mozart famous in 1763 and 1764' ?

Number 202

You say the Archbishop of Salzburg allowed Mozart to represent Salzburg when on tour. Can you give us a single example of Mozart doing so ? Just one ?

Number 206

Please give us proof W.A. Mozart was representing Salzburg at any time during the 7 years of his childhood tours of Europe.

Number 209

Can you provide evidence that W.A. Mozart was ''representing Salzburg'' from 1773 onwards ?

Number 220

1. Who was paid 450 Florins by Josef 2nd ?

2. When ?

3. For what ?

Number 243

Which 'experts' are you refering to ?

Where did Mozart go to school ? If at all.
When did Mozart learn music ?
Who taught him composition ? If at all.
Can you give a list of 'his' compositions up to, say, his teenage years, that stands cross-examination ? You can choose any year you like. Can it get more simple ?
Can you admit his music entrance exam to Bologna (1770) was faked ? An article on this by Bianchini has already been posted here.
Can you name a single public concert given by W.A. Mozart in his home city of Salzburg ? At any time in his whole life ?
Can you tell us when Mozart studied keyboard playing ? And under which teacher ?
Have you actually examined the alleged musical career of Mozart in any detail ?

Contemporary writers on music (such as JN Forkel, Da Ponte, Koch and others), all show 'Mozart' was virtually unknown, even in Vienna, during his last decade. Contrary to the fairy story. Do you want their statements on this ?. Do their statements mean anything to you ?

Number 256

And what is 'outrageous' about the theory that George Onslow was with L v Beethoven (1770-1827) in Vienna ?

Number 260

'Die Entfuhrung aus dem Serail'. That music is not by Mozart. So said contemporary writers including those present at its premiere. Did you know this ?

As for Le Nozze di Figaro (1786) have you examined this subject, at all ?

Will you please go to the Austrian National Library to look at the score of the opera held there which dates from the premiere itself ?

The contemporary writers of the time (e.g. those who wrote on music in the 1780's) strangely do not list 'Le Nozze di Figaro' as being an opera by W.A. Mozart. Strange, isn't it ?

You may be aware of several arias composed for Cosi fan tutte by a certain composer named Antonio Salieri ?

Number 262

On what evidence (that is, on what verifiable evidence) do you believe in the story of W.A. Mozart, 'musical genius' ?

Number 280

You DO look at both sides, don't you ?

Number 282

You believe Padre Martini taught Mozart because, well, everyone says Padre Martini taught Mozart. Can you provide some actual evidence ?

//

Simon and Garfunkel
'The Dangling Conversation'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yC-Zar35Vc

You accuse me of the same thing with which you are guilty yourself. (And let's distinguish ourselves from each other here, since I HAVE made attempts to back up my arguments which you just conveniently ignore.)

My proof comes from the writings of music scholars and other respectable authorities on the subject of Mozart and music. All liars who devote their lives to perpetuating a falsehood of course.

Even when I provide evidence from contemporary sources of the time, you don't retort with a structured and well thought out argument (backed up with evidence.) No that is what real musicologists and historians do. What the charlatan does is dismiss a primary source by making unfounded claims that men like von Goethe are members of an underground organisation dedicated to 'keeping the Mozart myth in circulation.'

A cowardly move engendered by your own struggle with 'cognitive dissonance.'

It is also mystifying that apparently YOU are the only worm to emerge from woodwork with this theory.

Centuries of study, by myriad of intelligent and analytical minds all undone by one man from London, who apparently knows something they do not?

I don't think so. But a very good effort and a what a very charming thread you have here.

Musicology

05-21-2011, 05:05 PM

Patrick Bateman,

No. you have NOT answered any of the questions listed above from the thread so far. There are so many unanswered questions it's time to remind you of it. Anyone can see this by reading the thread. But nobody has come to your rescue. If this thread continues those questions will still be unanswered. Your score so far is zero.

You write -

'My proof comes from the writings of music scholars and other respectable authorities on the subject of Mozart and music'

Really ? And where do these music scholars and other 'respectable authorities' answer any of these specific questions ? Please show us ? I could ask a thousand more.

You also write -

What the charlatan does is dismiss a primary source by making unfounded claims that men like von Goethe are members of an underground organisation dedicated to 'keeping the Mozart myth in circulation.'

The 'greatest genius of modern German literature', Wolfgang van Goethe, who was famous for being famous, was a well known member of the occultist fraternity known as the Illuminati. Fact.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Illuminati-Members-Weishaupt-Gottfried-Saxe-Weimar-Eisen/dp/115570584X

Goethe commented on the fact that Mozart wore a wig and a sword in 1763 when he saw him. And what, exactly, does that say about Mozart being a musical genius ? Zilch.

You believe the Mozart fairy story. So did I. Till I examined its details with others. The fairy story is not supported by the actual evidence. In fact it's massively contradicted by the actual evidence. Let's pretend the opposite, right ?

We've been duped !!! Fortunately, those who have examined these things are telling you so. Those who have examined the historical and musical evidence. And if that's not true you can always call a friend and get some 'experts' to defend you. Right ? It's goodnight from Vienna, it seems.

LOL !!!

Emil Miller

05-21-2011, 06:11 PM

It's goodnight from Vienna, it seems.

At last a recognition of the farce behind this mind-bendingly tedious nonsense.

http://youtu.be/UlDxOO4iHEg

LitNetIsGreat

05-21-2011, 06:37 PM

At last a recognition of the farce behind this mind-bendingly tedious nonsense.

http://youtu.be/UlDxOO4iHEg

If only...

Patrick, I have to say that I did warn you of such posting here a while back.
Did I not say to post in the other threads, such as What is Your Favourite Cheese or Who is Your Favourite Bus Conductor? For such threads are much more worthwhle than this one.... :smilewinkgrin:

yanni

05-21-2011, 11:34 PM

On deviating from greek etymology, hypocritical idiocy, litteratur and truth distorting, see post 131 of http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15023&page=9.

Musicology

05-22-2011, 05:36 AM

Still no answers to any questions ? LOL ! Music matters. It heals itself. In time. See as follows -

''The Beneficial Effects of Reverse Mutation in Countering Cognitive Dissonance from the Many Coiled Wrathful Outbursts of the Mozartean Frankenstein''

(The following Youtube came free with the, 'I'm Musically Confused Journal', Vol. 37537/b8 of May 2011).

Taken once a day for three days. With a cup of nice tea. Does wonders !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8

Corporate Mythology 0
Reality 1
Final Result

Total Wipeout !!!!

At last a recognition of the farce behind this mind-bendingly tedious nonsense.

http://youtu.be/UlDxOO4iHEg

Musicology

05-22-2011, 08:54 AM

Yes, it didn't go very well for Patrick. Did it ?

But hey, let's celebrate the fact that myths are no match for reality.

Have some free musical champagne on the house !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8

If only...

Patrick, I have to say that I did warn you of such posting here a while back.
Did I not say to post in the other threads, such as What is Your Favourite Cheese or Who is Your Favourite Bus Conductor? For such threads are much more worthwhle than this one.... :smilewinkgrin:

Musicology

05-22-2011, 10:40 AM

Music Matters !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_El7qwib0dc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlAaiBNCYU4&feature=related

Patrick_Bateman

05-22-2011, 10:43 AM

Music Matters !!

And you don't

Musicology

05-22-2011, 12:54 PM

You are so right, Patrick Bateman. Truth matters more than anything. More than you and I.

I think you are making a steady recovery.

No hard feelings. Total respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8

And you don't

ERS

05-29-2011, 12:55 PM

Another tick in the box for the Boffins...

Oops - I mean: "Everything we've heard is true!"

Salieri - Serenada Per Fiati in Si b:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTN6j33qDmY

Robert, the more music I hear written by these other "inferior" composers, the more I am convinced you may have sussed it...

Musicology

05-29-2011, 04:25 PM

Hi there ERS,

Yes indeed !!

They should put dunce hats on those who claim they have examined musical achievement of the 18th and 19th centuries and who do nothing but eulogise the corporatised heroes of the standard textbooks. It's not simply that Mozart was a manufactured composer. (Bad enough as that is ! ). To leave it there would not be enough. It's the astounding ignorance that believing and teaching otherwise has brought on the whole subject of western music and musical achievement. Fantasy, fairy story, and transcendentalist nonsense. Published as music history. All stage managed for popular consumption at the expense of dozens, even hundreds, of virtually unknown composers, publishers, editors and revisors.

People want easy soundbites. Supermarket heroes. Mozart has proved to be a prime example. It suits them. It's a perfect marriage between control of the music industry and the dumbed down public. The life story and career of Mozart is never, ever, cross-examined in any meaningful sense. Of course not ! It's wholesale misinformation. They simply can't allow criticism to happen. It would wreck their corporate control of the musical pantheon they have so carefully constructed.

Here is one item from the musical 'factory' supplying Mozart in Germany. (As there were elsewhere) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pfb46PAqqU&feature=related

And here is Josef Fiala -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8ZQcn2Q9FE

(Fiala had the dubious advantage of living for some years in Mozart's own Salzburg home during the time Mozart was in Vienna. How's that for convenience ? ).

(I am awaiting the arrival of a rare book related to Mozart which I fortunately finally found in an American online website after much search. Which, after I get it, (and it deals with an important issue) I will hopefully complete the Mozart research. But I am still months away from getting this material in to readable form. Continually trying to condense things. It increases exponentially. Mass of notes. Perservering !).

Regards

Patrick_Bateman

05-30-2011, 06:18 AM

Musicology is having to invent conversations with himself now that everyone has discovered his douche bagness

Musicology

05-31-2011, 05:58 PM

Patrick Bateman,

Thanks for your generous remarks !

It's not very often I quote the views of those who agree with my work. But I make an exception in your case - as follows -

''Do you guys realize we are in the 'Age of Revealing' ? Many of my Harpsichord students at Benedetto Marcello Conservatory in Venice, have already asking me about things such as the 'Mozart Myth'. I started revealing these things years ago. Newman did an excellent job, with very careful research. AND IT'S ALL TRUE! Mozart wasn't the only composer though. Let me say that Freemasonic societies of the 1800s collected numberous works by various authors and catagorized them under certain composers to eliminate the task of having hundreds of composers and students, and their works LOST forever.

Franz Liszt was one of these collectors and masonic librarians. Liszt was ordered by the Jesuits to burn thousands of manuscripts of 17th century music. He copied them first and then burned the originals. The masonic library of Rome's Grand Orient has many works there.

I can only imagine that this info will crush musicians world-wide. Let the truth be known! I am happy somebody is finally revealing it. Even our friend Alan Watt has revealed the 'Beatles Hoax' a few times.

Let me also add that in 17th century and 18th Century Encyclopedia's written in Venetian dialect here, we have listed 1000s of Musicale Composers that were from Venice, yet we are left believe that prolific Vivaldi wrote all this music. According to his contemporaries, like Freemason Carlo Goldoni and Guiseppe Tartini, "he was a 'mediocre' composer". Yet Vivaldi's works are very complex. Being a Vivaldi myself, I can tell you straight out, that Vivaldi did NOT write all of his works and that they many were falsely attributed to him. So this is another 'Mozart Myth'.

You guys need to get OLD encyclopedias, OLD reference books. I can share mine with you all, but you will have to translate the Venetian''

///

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/ar/t9514.htm

I could add similar comments by various musicologists, teachers, authors, and others who have examined this subject of Mozart (myth and reality) in detail. I have dozens of the same kind. So, we look forward to your next post. Hopefully it will at last have you discussing the life, the career and music that is by tradition attributed to W.A. Mozart. I think the above puts your non-contributions in to perspective. But don't feel bad. You are interested only in more of the same.

We were all misinformed. It's a tough thing but that's the fact. Get used to it. And stop wasting your time on this thread if you have nothing to offer but personalised insults and zero discussion on Mozart.

Thank You

Robert (Newman)

Musicology is having to invent conversations with himself now that everyone has discovered his douche bagness

ERS

06-01-2011, 11:38 AM

M(i)ster Bateman:

Robert’s “douche bagness?” Your originality is to be commended. Your prize: a box of Mozartkugelen. With a set of Cellophane-wrapped “Amadeus” trading cards, I assure you.

I assure you that I am a very separate entity from Robert.

Is it so difficult to believe that there are those on the musical landscape who – at last - ask some hard-hitting questions about the stories and long-assumed “history” we have all grown up with; who have the Stones to do the tedious and time-consuming digging and ultimately come across – and accept - conclusions that may challenge, if not shatter, long-held (mis) conceptions? There are those who follow the information regardless of its final destination?

Moreover, is it so hard to believe that there are those of us willing to listen to those “out-of-the-box” and so-called “Conspiracy Kook” researchers who dare look down some very “grown-over” paths that time and prejudice have concealed and ultimately forgotten? To at least consider the possibility that we’ve been sold a very long bill of goods?

As a classically-trained musician, I have long experienced the “pedestal worship” of The Towering Myths; almost all of my entreaties to the vast majority of my fellow performers to explore the music of many very fine but neglected composers have fallen on deaf ears… This has been particularly true of the faculty and admin at Conservatory and other halls of Academia. It is as if the scores of these marvelous, all-too neglected composers are the Holy Water and Cross proffered to the Draculas of entrenched conventionalism.

Therein lay, for me, the proof: it is The Prejudice.

As for the film and play “Amadeus,” the story line, fictionalizations and license with actual events should lend the real title “Apocrypha - a Study in Parody.”

Sir, quite often, sacred cows make the best hamburgers. So please sit down at the table and have a bite. The food is quite good and worth a try… Oh, and please pass the condiments…My favorite brand is “Mozart!”

Musicology

06-01-2011, 05:17 PM

Great stuff, ERS !!

'Professing themselves to be wise they became fools'.

Ouch ! How is that for the current state of research into western musical history ?

Regards

M(i)ster Bateman:

Robert’s “douche bagness?” Your originality is to be commended. Your prize: a box of Mozartkugelen. With a set of Cellophane-wrapped “Amadeus” trading cards, I assure you.

I assure you that I am a very separate entity from Robert.

Is it so difficult to believe that there are those on the musical landscape who – at last - ask some hard-hitting questions about the stories and long-assumed “history” we have all grown up with; who have the Stones to do the tedious and time-consuming digging and ultimately come across – and accept - conclusions that may challenge, if not shatter, long-held (mis) conceptions? There are those who follow the information regardless of its final destination?

Moreover, is it so hard to believe that there are those of us willing to listen to those “out-of-the-box” and so-called “Conspiracy Kook” researchers who dare look down some very “grown-over” paths that time and prejudice have concealed and ultimately forgotten? To at least consider the possibility that we’ve been sold a very long bill of goods?

As a classically-trained musician, I have long experienced the “pedestal worship” of The Towering Myths; almost all of my entreaties to the vast majority of my fellow performers to explore the music of many very fine but neglected composers have fallen on deaf ears… This has been particularly true of the faculty and admin at Conservatory and other halls of Academia. It is as if the scores of these marvelous, all-too neglected composers are the Holy Water and Cross proffered to the Draculas of entrenched conventionalism.

Therein lay, for me, the proof: it is The Prejudice.

As for the film and play “Amadeus,” the story line, fictionalizations and license with actual events should lend the real title “Apocrypha - a Study in Parody.”

Sir, quite often, sacred cows make the best hamburgers. So please sit down at the table and have a bite. The food is quite good and worth a try… Oh, and please pass the condiments…My favorite brand is “Mozart!”

WellDone

12-29-2013, 11:52 AM

You may want to look closely at Della Croce, the supposed painter of the " Mozart Family portrait"C 1780-1781
Compare this painting to the miniature Della Croce of Mozart, in which Mozart is identified by "Adam"
The miniature and larger format painting are not by the same artist. Of course, the Mozarteum has just had to admit the so called "Boy in a bird's next" portrait of Mozart is a fake.
I proposed this many many years ago, since the Zafanny portrait is 80 CM's and is not accompanied by a companion portrait of Nannerl, nor could it have traveled safely in a coach due to it's size.
Interesting thread, I must say.I particularly like Yanni's insights.

yanni

01-20-2015, 02:55 AM

"Johann Sebastian Bach/Georg Friedrich Handel/Claudius Amyand/Desaguliers/Gerhard van Swieten" ie Antonio Cocchi* died as 'marchese Bernardo Tanucci'

As later research has shown, the above statement is wrong. Tannuci was only a disciple of Antonio "ernico" Cocchi.

yanni

01-20-2015, 08:54 AM

At his mother's burial in Paris, Mozart promoted his father to 'kapellmeister'! (Saint Eustace register), but don't let the fact affect your dialogue with "Musicology".

see CASSIN, Jean Baptiste premier porte verge de Saint-Eustache x , 1740-12-23 -> Voir (bebllmgl)

yanni

01-22-2015, 04:29 AM

.... Rameau also links to Saint Eustache and its premiere porte abbe Cassin!

Wikipedia, Rameau died on 12 September 1764 after suffering from a fever. He was buried in the church of St. Eustache, Paris the following day.[26]

yanni

02-10-2015, 10:01 AM

There were two "Rameau's", contemporaries of Voltaire, the first, Pierre Rameau (1674 – 26! January! 1748!), was a dancing master who, according to "Dance and Music of Court and Theater: Selected Writings of Wendy Hilton" ...in 1705 was employed at the Lyon Opera, married there to Elizabeth La Haye May 23, 1705, his first book Le Maitre a danser was published in Paris 1725. In the introduction, P.Rameau writes he was dancing master of pages to Her Majesty the Queen of Spain. The other, Voltaire's Rameau dying feverish in Paris, as per previous post, does not appear to have ever addressed or received a letter to/from Voltaire even if, as per current version of the truth, they did collaborate, "once only", experts swear, late 1730, creating an opera, "Samson", with Voltaire supplying the lyrics, no doubt, and Rameau the music.

Problem is, another poet also cooperated in the lyrics, Piron.

Going to next year, 1731, an abbe or pere or Pier Cassel was trying to promote by letter his "clavecin occulaire" to Rameau who, apparenlty, did not want to favor him with his own reply, letting Voltaire do it, not directly however but with Thierot as his (their) intermediary. see http://jp.rameau.free.fr/cucuel-poupliniere.htm

Later on, 1736, Voltaire asks Thierot, obviously acting as his secretary, to stop bothering him with the Cassel "file":
(18 Nov 1736 Voltaire to Thierot: After sending Thierot his chapter on Newton’s work on Music, Thierot replied sending V instead his own re maths on the clavecin. Voltaire assures Thierot that in the dispute between Rameau-Orphee and Euclide-Cassel, Rameau-Orphee is the winner-ie Thierot IS Cassel).

The "puzzle" continues to 1758 when another dancing book is published in Paris, ommiting P.Rameau, his predecessor and their heirs, if any, of any intelectual property rights .

Arte de danzar a la francesa, adornado con quarenta figuras, que enseñan el modo de hacer todos los diferentes passos de la danza del minuete, con todas sus reglas, y de conducir los brazos en cada passo: y en quatro figuras, el modo de danzar los
Published in 1758 by engraver, writer, and translator Minguet* é Irol, this manual incorporates sections of Raoul-Feuillet's Choreographie (Paris, 1700) and Pierre Rameau's Le Maître de danser (Paris, 1725), although neither author is credited. Part one describes feet positions, the manner of managing one's hat, and provides a large vocabulary of steps used in eighteenth-century dance technique. Part two includes dances by Feuillet and French dancer and choreographer, Guillaume-Louis Pecour

There are many more similar little puzzles that need be solved before removing "Voltaire's" own "iron mask"**.

But, this is Mozart's thread.

* Look for "Joanes Minguet", (Títol D. Maria Barbara, mvger de Fernando VI. A. 1729 [Document gràfic] / Joanes Minguet sculpt). to document V's spanish traces 1705 and/or earlier.

**Voltaire was the one who first pubished the myth of "The man in the iron mask"

yanni

02-12-2015, 08:23 AM

"Rameau looks just like Voltaire" should be, today, the reaction of Musée des Beaux-Arts, Dijon, surprised visitors who also have an idea what Voltaire looked like at the time, around 1761, and that’s why, perhaps, Voltaire's bust is to be found, I assume, elsewhere, propably Paris.

In Paris at the time, they had a similar problem with Caffieri's first presentation of Rameau's bust, realising that he did not look just like Voltaire (who rarely exposed his face to the general parisien public anyway) but also looked very much like the King’s own doctor, known as “Camille Falconet”:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Camille_Falconet._Line_engraving_by_P._E._Moi tte_after_C._N._Wellcome_V0001845.jpg.

The portrait, writes the good site today, is by a “C.N.Wellcome” and only after magnifying to 200%, one sees that it’s actual by C.N.Cochin, an old aquaintance of readers of “Yanni’s” previous posts on comte de Saint Germain (look for “Two works by Poe decoded” in this site), favorite of Mme de Pompadour and in charge of all painters, engravers and sculptors of France, including "docteur Falconet’s" cousin, the sculptor*.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tienne_Maurice_Falconet

As such Camille Falconet, médécin consultant du Roy, né à Lyon le 29 mars 1671, mort à Paris le 8 février 1762… dies a month before....

....March 23 to April 5th 62 French Record Office of Foreign Affairs correspondence between the Duc de Choiseul and Comte d’Affy on a Saint-Germain who “is again in Holland under assumed names, that he has purchased an estate in Guelders and suggests that he is making dupes of people, with chemical secrets, in order to earn a living” and that he then returned back to Harwich and warned to quit the English shores" **.

* See Falconet: His Writings and His Friend Diderot by Anne Betty Weinshenker, page 118 for a “special relationship” between Cochin and sculptor Falconet

** sentence in bold is wrong

yanni

02-15-2015, 10:03 AM

Jean Astruc...né à Sauve (Gard) le 19 mars 1684 et mort à Paris le 5 mai 1766(!!), is yet another of Dr Voltaire's aliases* so, adding Jean Astruc to Camille Falconet and Antonio "Ernico" Cocchi we now have four medical aliases in total. Dr Taylor, who allegedly operated on "G.F. Handel" and "J.S.Bach", ie on himself**, is the fifth, and hopefully last alias from the medical profession.

Needless to say, "they", including music masters, have all been entered in my Saint Germain mastertimeline for checking presences-abscences, their medical works have been all checked for dates of publication and content and as such they all "pass with honours" the "yet another alias" test.

When Camille Falconet, of previous post, passed away, his library was transfered to Louis XV's own. It contained all of Astruc's publications, including his 1721 dissertation on la petire virole. Montpelier 1721.

See: Falconet M. Catalogue de sa Bibliothèque, Vol 1.

More interesting points from Astruc's life:

En 1729, Auguste II de Pologne le nomme son premier médecin,

becomes titulaire de la chaire de médecine au Collège royal en 1731,

elected élu membre de l'Académie de médecine en 1743,

On 17 octobre 1743, il monta en chaire sans président et fut couronné par le doyen Col de Villars

For "Voltaire's" earlier roots and background in Medicin and Southern France, one may further examine:

CASSIN, N. chirurgien x , 1700-01-14 -> Voir (mimi21) & CASSIN, Nicolas Sieur de Poresse x CHAPPELLE, Catherine, 1663-07-21 -> Voir (bmylg)

Took me a while to find Poresse*** in southern France and no, I don't believe Voltaire was N.Cassin, even if, at this stage of my research, I am convinced that Votaire's "Aruet"**** family and birth details are made up. He was a Cochin-Cassin-Cocceji etc but his early history, his Hanover-London contacts, his Brandenburg concerti, his wealth and his character (audacity , fearlessness, irony, manners) prove otherwise.

In 1983 another descendant, Renato Galliani, wrote 'Voltaire, Astruc, et la maladie vénérienne', SVEC 219 (1983),

That's all for today.

*V used, in total, 188 aliases acc to Wikipedia

**-whoever HE was

*** A Poresse Castle is mentioned in Maria Stuart's, Queen of Scots, visit to France, in Rouen. At the time she had a M.Rouisseau for trusted messenger.

**** "Voltaire" comes from Volta Ire in latin, ie "take a tour"

yanni

02-16-2015, 02:55 AM

Before closing for now V's medical itinerary, one should address the subject of Francesco Algarotti's name-giving by Voltaire-Astruc:

In his 1736 book "De Morbis Venereis" (Paris, Rue Saint Jacques, in latin, http://www.marshall.edu/special-collections/hoffman/astruc.asp), "Astruc" refers to a "pulveris algarot" for treatment of V.D. patients.

This pearl of a find helps us understand not just Voltaire's character but also how Casanova (who, in his memoirs, has countless references on Voltaire and Algarotti both- as well as to all other "suspect names and contacts' of ours) managed to avoid any- relative to his "contacts" - infection.

This may perhaps explain Dr Flemmings later discovery of penicilin (from another kind of "algarot") but it doesn't answer our curiosity as to the real name of Count "Algarotti".

yanni

02-19-2015, 04:32 AM

Continuing the road to Voltaire's iron mask, the reader is reminded that our heroes, mainly Voltaire and Pierre Michel Hennin/Augustin Henri Cochin (the last, a subject of renewed interest by historians eversince our relative revelations in this site), closely linked to all european and american leaders, sovereigns and politicos of their time, both were masters in the art of disguise during the long period of wars and social changes they were part of. Our steps therefore, in this labyrinth of their doing, are extremely hard to take, the Minotaur of error waiting behind every wrong turn, yet thru luck and perseverence, we are confident to overcome him.

It was by luck that we fell a couple of days ago on : “le sieur Felix, premier chirurgien du Roi, recoit du Roi une gratification de 50000 ecus. La marquise de Muys est nomme sous gouvernent des Enfants de France”, 14th Juin 1719 . (Gazette de France, Vol. 2 by Théophraste Renaudot)

The King's doctor, Felix "de Muy" (the chapter of the Gazette is exclusively on them), answers, we believe, many of our questions on our above heroes but the re presentation needs time to be prepared.

It will, however, be dedicated to le bâtard de Caussigny, executed during the terror in Marseille, for defending, among others, his Valbelle property as well, and will assist, I am sure, historians-genealogists improve their recent publication on "Joseph-Alphonse-Omer de Valbelle" in Wikipedia.

quote: Joseph Ignace de Valbelle il devint l’héritier unique de la fortune familiale. On dit de son frère qu’il laissa de nombreux bâtards

All in good time.

yanni

02-20-2015, 07:40 AM

For readers new to this thread, a belated introductory note:

After closing my subjects in this site -on 18th cent history and music- some four years ago, many of my heroes came alive again in various encyclopedic articles (either as new subjects alltogether or, others, revised). I did not react until the publication of an article on Pierre Michel Hennin, France’s resident in Geneva around 1764-1770, a main hero of my strories , by professor X.
I sent him an email, correcting some of his data and, after receiving Professor X’s positive reply, I answered back thanking him, on 12th Jan 2015:

Have just discovered today-partly thanks to your article, which forced back to researching a story I was hoping to forget-that Antonio ernico* (hence-later "celestino") Cocchi is the same man as "Antoine Henry Cochin, chevallier, conseiller d’etat du roi Louis XV", known in Versailles as "Docteur Cocchi" at the time of cardinal Bernis, friend of Joseph-Marie Vien, painter.
IE he was either the father or a much elder brother of Augustin Henry de Beaupre both, in such case, children of Voltaire's celebre avocat Henry Cochin..
The question who the father of Gioachino Cocchi was, is still "pending", if one has to follow strict heraldic genealogy rules. I don't and, in any case, I am now more interested, and quite excited, on Voltaire's timeline "dark spaces", starting from his equally dark London period 1726-1729, coinciding with Antonio Cocchi' s own...both friends with Isaac Newton and members of London's elite.

Thereafter I did proceed to research “Voltaire”, initially his London period, then his later life details and correspondence ( a nightmare) and, before even completing that, adding as many bits as possible to my timeline, was then drawn to pre 1726 as well, soon realising that V did not just have “many similarities” with Antonio Cocchi, G.F.Handel, J.S.Bach, Rameau and Claudius Amyand sr, but also with Montesquieu- a doctor/historian- as well and, possibly, with Andrew Michael Ramsay**

Montesquie’s data tallying with my presences-absences test plus the fact that Voltaire was named later, 1745’s, official historian and Louis XV own secretary at Versailles (instead of M) closed the “another alias” test for Montesquie, enlarging at the same time the, enormous already, research field still further, my Saint Germain-all aliases-timeline, doubling in size, from January 12th to present, while in these short period, new tentative aliases were popping all over as my cursor was running up in timespace to the early 19th cent. but also going back sometimes to the 15th.

Going forward, data volume, links and complexity increased more than than pre 1745, a decent presentation and form looked (still looks) impossible, so I decided to concentrate to the relatively easy years, 1700 to 1745, starting at the beginning .

That’s how, looking for music masters, royal doctors and tutors in the court of Versailles, I came to Felicitous Felix, as above, whose “De Muy” title and descendants added many parts, enough for most*** of my puzzle's heroes.

*same person as Augustin Henry(i) Cochin de Beaupre, Procureur du Roi a Versailles
**V and Ramsy both became members of the Royal Academy of Sciences Dec 1729, while Handel ’s Lotario was first performed (1729-12-2 in London, King's Theatre)
Ramsy will not further be examined due to lack of serious bio or correspondence data. Historian Gibbon however, will be.
***"my" comte de Saint Germain became problematic in the meantime.

yanni

02-23-2015, 06:50 AM

While I do sincerely thank Jeannine de Ridder and Émilie Michaud-Jeannin (www.itarkeo.com/chroniques.php) for their helpfull information on Voltaire’s friend, Cardinal De Fleury and his relations to the Valbelles, the Grignans, the Felix de Muys, in particular on a marquis de Muy , issue de la Capitainerie des Galères de la Marine du Levant à Marseille et des chevaliers de l'ordre de Malte , I must, at the same time, ask them kindly to clarify what they next mean, writing of his recent enoblement (d'une noblesse récente) *.

Not so:

Accordind to to Dictionnaire de la noblesse ... de France, by François Alexandre Aubert de la Chenaye Desbois p.324:

The Felix “de Muy” family is the same as the Galiani-Gallian family going back to a Louis Galliani, primogenitor of all Felixs, advisor to Henri III, decorated by Pope Gregory XIII.
Among his sons, a George de Gallian, created chevalier de l’ordre Saint Michel par le Roi Xenri IV in 1595, premier consul d’Avignon 1620 (year of his death) and his brother, Balthasar de Gallian and still more sons and daughters-the titles of which listed in http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famille_Gall%C3%A9an- but....

...as “ abbe Galliani” from Naples has been in my research for along time**, and as intermarriage with a Crillon family is mentioned in the book , the same term, along with “Crillonade”. appearing in Voltaire’s correspondence to Frederick II of Prussia, somewhat ironicaly, I must point out to them, as well as to de Valbelle wiki-historians/genealogists on their Caussigny reference in my previous , that:

-The Gallian/Galliani were in fact all Cochini, the above “George de Gallian” being the same as Giorgio “magnifico” Cochini (http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?15023-Two-works-by-Poe-decoded-Announcement!!/page5), distinguished and enobled for his participation at the naval battle of Lepanto, 1575.
-Their “de Muy” title (one of more, translates from spanish as “very much”) deriving from "magnifico" (great),
-The Marquis’s brother, somewhat more liberal, lost his "marquis du Muy" title because of his distinguished***, nevertheless, "marine service abroad".
-Propably son of the previous, Jean-François Charpentier de Cossigny (né le 10 janvier 1690 à Marseille et mort le 26 juin 1780 à Lorient also lost the title, propably because, as rumor today wants, he was le Comte de Saint Germain****.

* Il s'agit d'une noblesse récente qui s'est enrichie dans les galères
** without me knowing he was a Cocchini
***L'un des frères de son père qui ne devient marquis du Muy qu'en 1697, s'embarque sur la Victoire, vaisseau de trente canons qu'il détourne. Aventurier, il fait de la baie de Diego Suarez, son repaire et veut y créer une ville, Libertalia, (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertatia)
****http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Charpentier_de_Cossigny He was S.G.'s relative only.

(continued in next)

yanni

02-25-2015, 03:09 AM

Eagerly awaiting the kind reply of the two "Itarkeo" ladies concerning eventual genealogical ambiguities between the previously mentioned Felixs at "Dictionnaire de la noblesse ... de France" and the Gallianis (wiki article) , we feel obliged, before next returning to their (based on their text) "Felix de Muys" early 1700's story , to further mention that they also list among the Malta Hospitaliers, between 1639 (Jean Batiste De Felix de Reynard, also mentioned in 1668,1670, 1672, Scipion de Felix 1671, Francois de Felix d'Ollieres 1696, Louis Nicolas Victor Felix 1712 ) and 1723 (Lazare de Felix d'Ollieres*)

As such, their Felix de Muys, important to our puzzle as our own research has shown in the meantime .......

...arrive at Versailles court with their two sons, Joseph-Gabriel** et Louis-Nicolas, entre 1717 et 1722 :The young King XV is under aged, Fleury is his guardian and teacher, madame Le Muy becomes gouvernante to the "Children of France", meaning all children of Louis XIV, while Fleury nominates her husband as his assistant to upbringing the young King. Fleury becomes then de facto prime minister of France 1723-implied he leaves the King to the care of the de Muys, Louis XV becomes of age 15th Jan 1736, Joseph-Gabriel Félix du Muy is then named premier maître d'hôtel de la Dauphine, on 20th December 1744, his brother, Louis-Nicolas de Muys, "ménin" (intimate friend) of the King in 1745.

Thus describes the Itarkeo article the "recently enobled Felix de Muys" intrusion to Versailles, while ommiting our own discovery that le sieur Felix, premier chirurgien du Roi, recoit du Roi une gratification de 50000 ecus***. La marquise de Muys est nomme sous gouvernent des Enfants de France”, 14th Juin 1719 . .

Considering....

-Voltaire, a dancing teacher, music master and doctor ,
-the second son "de Muy", Lois-Nicolas, becoming later France's Minister of War,
-the Itarkeo ladies well justified reluctance to...bring their research to completion,

.................................................. .........the subject calls for further examination!

*Lazare d'Ollieres must be further examined for eventual link to our Lazarus Cocchini of Hydra (first hydrian sailing to Egypt, 1745, carrying back wheat grain, died late 1790's, same as Caussin de Perceval sr. , father of Jean D'Anastasi , see "Poe decoded"),

**Jean Batiste de Felix,II du nom, chevalier, marquis de Muy, de Grignan&de La reynarde,ci-devant conseiller en la cour du parlement d’Aix, commandant en Provence ,sous gouverneur du feu M. Le Dauphin, directeur general des Economats , conseiller d’etat d’Epee,et veuf de Margeurite d’Armand de Mizon, sous gouvernant des Enfants de France, fille de Charles Marquis de Mizon et de Chateauneuf (!!), a eu pour enfantes 1. Louis Gabriele Tancrede (:yawnb:) etc et 2.Louis Nicolas,chevalier de Malte,lieutenant general des armees, chevalier de ses ordres & un des menins de Feu M.le Dauphine.
1.Joseph Gabriel Tancrede, chevalier, marquis de Muy,comte de Grignan, Lieutenant general des armees du roi &Maitre Hotel du feu Madame La Dauphine, marie le 13 Marcg 1744 est veuf avec une fille depuis le 17 Juin 1764, de Louise-Elizabeth-Jacqueline d’Alsace, Marquise de Saint Phal, fille unique de Jean Louis d’Alsace, de Hennin Lietard, chevalier, Marquis de Saint Phal, seigneur de Cressentine, Machy, Pommery, L’Etang, le Perchay, Blaincourt, Aubry, Epagne,...dans les Provinces de Bourgogne et de Champagne, capitaine de Gendarmerie etc (from Dictionnaire De La Noblesse: Contenant les Généalogies, l'Histoire etc )

*** Acc to http://portail.atilf.fr/cgi-bin/getobject_?a.64:95:3./var/artfla/encyclopedie/textdata/image/ : En 1655 les maîtres en l'art & science de Chirurgie de Paris, connus pour lors sous le nom de Chirurgiens de robe longue, s'étant réunis avec la communauté des Chirurgiens - Barbiers; & peu de tems après, le sieur Felix, premier chirurgien, ayant aussi acquis la charge de premier valet - de - chambre barbier, les deux places & les deux états de Chirurgiens se confondirent en un seul, & demeurerent soumis au même chef premier chirurgien du roi.
Ie his compensation, propably for life long service, awarded on his death of same year (as future revelations will certify).

yanni

02-25-2015, 11:39 AM

Wikipedia's relative article (first-time online, 2006) :

Louis Nicolas Victor de Félix d'Ollières, comte du Muy
Surnom Maréchal de Muy
Naissance 23 septembre 1711
à Aix-en-Provence
Décès 10 octobre 1775 (à 64 ans)
à Versailles
Origine Français
Allégeance Royaume de France
Dignité d'État
Maréchal de France
Secrétaire d'État à la Guerre

Louis Nicolas Victor de Félix d'Ollières, comte du Muy, comte de Grignan, né à Aix-en-Provence le 23 septembre 1711 et mort à Versailles le 10 octobre 17751, est un militaire et homme d'État français.

Issu d'une famille originaire de Provence. Membre de l'Ordre du Saint-Esprit en 1764.

Ancien menin du Dauphin Louis-Ferdinand, il lui était resté si attaché qu'il demanda à être enterré à ses pieds en la cathédrale Saint-Étienne de Sens. Ce trait était bien fait pour plaire à Louis XVI ; aussi Maurepas le fait-il nommer Secrétaire d'État à la Guerre le 5 juin 1774. Il est élevé à la dignité de maréchal de France en 1775.
Sommaire
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2 Armoiries
3 Notes et références
4 Voir aussi 4.1 Sources et bibliographie
4.2 Liens externes

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Buste du comte de Muy par Jean-Jacques Caffieri au Metropolitan Museum of Art à New York (1776)

"Vide" indeed and, since you asked for it, notre aide will be delivered in due time!

PS see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Grignan: It was aquired by the Felix de Muy le 5 avril 1732 avec ses dépendances pour 290 000 livres.

yanni

02-28-2015, 03:54 AM

Johann Georg Leopold Mozart (born November 14, 1719) , best known today as the father and teacher of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, and for his violin textbook Versuch einer gründlichen Violinschule.

IS the same as

Johan Sebastian Bach's seventh child, Leopold Augustus, born, 15 Nov. 1719

yanni

03-01-2015, 06:29 AM

Entries below mainly copy pasted, some from previous re xchange with Robert Newman. Most names strongly linked to our story, many as aliases to "Voltaire".

Nicolas Sieur de Poresse x CHAPPELLE, Catherine, 1663-07-21 -> Voir (bmylg)
Gerard van Swieten born May 7, 1700. … a Dutch-Austrian physician. born in Leiden. He was a pupil of Herman Boerhaave and became in 1745 the personal physician of the Austrian Empress Maria Theresa. In this position he implemented a transformation of the Austrian health service and medical university education. He founded a botanical garden, a chemical laboratory and introduced clinical instruction. Since 1745 he was also librarian for Maria Theresa in what was then the Imperial Library. His statue, depicting him fat, is from The Maria Theresa Monument erected 1874–13, presented May 1888.His Wikipedia article first online Jan 2005.
Charles Dieupart, a French harpsichordist, violinist, and composer. Although he was known as Charles to his contemporaries, his real name may have been François. He was most probably born in Paris, but spent much of his life in London, where he settled sometime after 1702/1703. A prominent member of the Drury Lane musical establishment, Dieupart was active both as composer and performer and actively participated in the musical life of the city. However, after about 1712 he earned his income mostly by teaching, and in his later years lived in poverty. He is best remembered today for a collection of six harpsichord suites which influenced Johann Sebastian Bach's English Suites. The earliest document to refer to the composer is his own Six Suittes de clavessin, published in Amsterdam in 1701
Greber's date and place of birth are unknown, although the Neue Deutsche Biographie proposes an approximate date of 1673.[1] He is presumed to have studied in Italy and arrived in London from there in 1702, accompanied by his mistress, the opera singer Margherita de L'Epine*. He was to remain in London for the next three years composing incidental music for plays and arias for L'Epine.
Heinrich von Cocceji war am 20. Dezember 1702 Regierungsrat in Magdenburg, Juris feudalis hypomnemata (Frankf. 1702)
Samuel von Cocceji By 1702 he was a professor at Viadrina University in Frankfurt (Oder) in the Kingdom of Prussia
George Frideric Handel ..son of a successful barber-surgeon and his much younger, second wife. His father opposed his son’s early musical ambitions and after his father’s death Handel duly matriculated at the University in Halle in February 1702, as his father had insisted. See: "Barber" Claudius Amyand, at 170l. per an., 1 Aug. 1714 to Michaelmas 1716 From: 'Declared Accounts: Civil List', Calendar of Treasury Books, Volume 30: 1716 (1958), pp. CLXXXIII-CCXVIII. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rep...x?compid=85262 Date accessed: 06 January 2011. Claudius Amyand was the second son of Isaac Amyand, of Mornac, Xaintonge, a Hugenot refugee who was naturalized in London 10th October, 1688
3 days before his 1702 birthday (ie 20th Febr) G.F. Handel matriculated as a law student of the University of Halle. In that same year following his father's wishes, Handel enrolled to study civil law at the University of Halle but is also said to have been appointment in some capacity as an organist at the local Protestant cathedral.
Heinichen enrolled in 1702 to study law at the University of Leipzig and in 1705-1706 qualified as a lawyer (in the early 18th century the law was a favored route for composers; Kuhnau, Graupner and Georg Philipp Telemann were also lawyers). Heinichen practiced law in Weissenfels until 1709.
Walther wurde 1702 Organist an der Erfurter Thomaskirche.
1703
Heinrich Gottfried Koch (* 1703 in Gera; † 3. Januar 1775 in Berlin) war ein deutscher Schauspieler und Theaterunternehmer. Neither parents nor detailed bio given first online 00:17, 8. Dez. 2004‎
Dieupart is next heard of on 11 February 1703 in London, when he performed Corelli's music at Drury Lane with Gasparo Visconti
Johann Philipp Breyne, a German botanist, palaeontologist, zoologist and entomologist...best known for his work on the Polish cochineal (Porphyrophora polonica), an insect formerly used in production of red dye. Proposed by Hans Sloane, he was elected, on 21 April 1703 member of the Royal Acadeny od Sciences.
In 1703, Greber composed the incidental music for the premiere of Nicholas Rowe's play The Fair Penitent, including four arias sung by L'Epine during the interlude. It was during this time that Rowe dubbed L'Epine "Greber's Peg", a name by which she was known for several years. Although L'Epine left Greber in 1703 to live with Daniel Finch, 2nd Earl of Nottingham, she returned to him in 1704, and they took up residence on Suffolk Street in LondonHe continued composing arias for her and accompanying her in concerts and theatrical interludes at Lincoln's Inn Fields and other venues.[2][3] The London newspaper The Post Man noted their appearance together at the spa town of Tunbridge Wells in August 1703:The London newspaper The Post Man noted their appearance together at the spa town of Tunbridge Wells in August 1703:They write from Tunbridge Wells that there is arrived there that famous Italian Lady, Signiora Francesca Margaretta de L'Epine that gives every week entertainments of musick, all compos'd by that great Master Signior Jacomo Greber, perform'd to the content and great satisfaction of all the nobility and gentry.[4]
Handel seems to have been very unsatisfied with organ playing since in 1703, he somehow moved to Hamburg, accepting a position as a violinist and harpsichordist in the opera house of the city. His teacher on both instruments is unknown. In any event he there met characters such as none other than Johann Mattheson, Christoph Graupner, and Reinhard Keiser and….
1704
18 March 1704 Handel states that he enjoys pleasant conversation with Mattheson, and that such conversation would be possible when Mattheson becomes indispensable at the Opera. Handel expresses a desire to meet Mattheson prior to his (Mattheson's) departure (probably to Hamburg).
Dr Robert Erskine visits Moscow
20. Okt. 1704 Musik von Johann Mattheson,Hamburg. Die unglückselige Cleopatra, Königin von Egypten oder Die betrogene Staats-Liebe (Friedrich Christian Feustking), dramma per musica 3 Akte .
Jean Jacques "Bach" In 1704, he entered the service in the military band of the army of King Charles XII of Sweden. It is thought that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote his Capriccio on the departure of his Beloved Brother BWV 992 on this occasion.[2][3]
On 14 December 1704 Vanbrugh and William Congreve received the Queen's authority to form 'a Company of Comedians', (fn. 41) and the theatre was opened on 9 April 1705 with a performance of an Italian opera, The Loves of Ergasto. (fn. 42)The first season was a failure. Congreve withdrew, and Vanbrugh became deeply involved in the interminable squabbles which beset the London stage at this time
1704 Johann Gottfried Walther (* 18. September 1684 in Erfurt; † 23. März 1748 in Weimar) Walther lernte er Andreas Werckmeister in Halberstadt kennen
Voltaire was educated by the Jesuits at the Collège Louis-le-Grand (1704–1711). His godfather, the abbot of Châteauneuf**, presented him to Ninon de l'Enclos, then aged over eighty years. Legend has it that the old courtesan, charmed by the young man's, had sex .... acc to Voltaire's last will. http://www.fremeaux.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.livrets&content_id=2196&product_id=580
1705
Händel's Nero, produced in February 1705.[2]
On 17 March 1705, John was married to Lady Mary Churchill, daughter of John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough and Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough.
See http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpainti...ry-church86910
….. two operas, 'Almira' and 'Nero' were produced in 1705 over which Handel's authorship has never been settled..
On 9 April 1705, the Queen's Theatre in London was officially opened with Greber's opera Gli amori di Ergasto (The Loves of Ergasto). It was the first opera sung entirely in Italian by Italian singers to be performed in London.[5] The printed libretto also contained an English translation by Peter Anthony Motteux, and on the opening night the performance included a prologue by Samuel Garth and an epilogue by William Congreve, both read by Anne Bracegirdle. The opera itself, a pastorale largely consisting of arias and duets between shepherds and nymphs, proved a dismal failure and was only performed a few times.[6] Shortly after the premiere of Gli amori di Ergasto, Greber left London (without Margherita de L'Epine).[2]The first season was a failure. Congreve withdrew, and Vanbrugh became deeply involved in the interminable squabbles which beset the London stage at this time
John Montagu He went on the grand tour with Pierre Sylvestre.(Wiki: unknown.Most propably same as P.S Du Four @ "Instruction d'un pere a son fils" @ "Oeuvres diverses, avec le Traité du sublime, ou Du merveilleux dans ..., Vol1 by Nicolas Boileau-Despréaux,Cassius Longinus, 1702 and "Philippe Du Four" @Universal Pronouncing Dictionary of Biography and Mythology by Joseph Thomas: " Dufour Philippe, a french protestant antiquary, born in Manosque in 1622.His family name was Sylvestre which he exchanged for Du Four, his mother’s name.He formed a collection of medals.He wrote, among other works, “Moral instructions of a father to a son”,often reprinted He died in 1687".)
Keiser: ...eventually heading back to Hamburg shortly after Easter in 1705, to produce a comeback to Handel's Nero
Pierre Rameau ….was a dancing master who, according to "Dance and Music of Court and Theater,Selected Writings of Wendy Hilton" ...in 1705 was employed at the Lyon Opera, married there to Elizabeth La Haye May 23, 1705, his first book Le Maitre a danser was published in Paris 1725. In the introduction, P.Rameau writes he was dancing master of pages to Her Majesty the Queen of Spain
A baptismal certificate in Düsseldorf, dated 23 June 1705 describes Greber as a Kapellmeister (music director) in the service of Charles Philip,[1] who at the time was the governor of Tyrol with a court in Innsbruck.
In 1705 Graupner left Leipzig to play the harpsichord in the orchestra of the Hamburg Opera under the direction of Reinhard Keiser, alongside George Frideric Handel, then a young violinist. In addition to playing the harpsichord, Graupner composed six operas in Hamburg, some of them in collaboration with Keiser, a popular composer of operas in Germany.
. In June 1705, under the false name of "Monsieur de Busch", George (later II) visited the Ansbach court at their summer residence in Triesdorf to investigate incognito a marriage prospect: Caroline of Ansbach, the former ward of his aunt Queen Sophia Charlotte of Prussia. The English envoy to Hanover, Edmund Poley, reported that George was so taken by "the good character he had of her that he would not think of anybody else".[11] A marriage contract was concluded by the end of July.[12] On 22 August / 2 September 1705O.S./N.S. Caroline arrived in Hanover for her wedding, which was held the same evening in the chapel at Herrenhausen.[9]
Desaguliers wurde in eine Hugenottenfamilie geboren und floh 1694 im Alter von 11 Jahren nach England, um den Konsequenzen durch den Widerruf des Edikts von Nantes zu entgehen. 1705 graduierte er in Oxford mit dem Bachelor of Arts.
1 Almira 1705, Theater am Gänsemarkt, Hamburg Opera Feustking, Friedrich Christian, after G. Pancieri Singspiel
2 Nero 1705, Theater am Gänsemarkt, Hamburg Opera Feustking, Friedrich Christian Music lost
Organ voluntary 'Arrival of the Queen of Sheba'
1706
Sir Edward Wortley Montagu (8 February 1678 – 22 January 1761) Son of Sidney Wortley Montagu (for S.W.Montagu Wikipedia returns with " blank page") and grandson of Edward Montagu, 1st Earl of Sandwich, a Cambridge graduate and lawyer.....entered the Inner Temple in 1706
Francis Godolphin He was known under the courtesy title of Viscount Rialton from 29 December 1706 till 1712
Henry Godolphin During his tenure of office at St. Paul's he had been on the Rebuilding Commission, representing with John Younger and William Stanley the rising generation of the cathedral chapter. On matters of detail there were constant disagreements from 1707 to 1711, when the Commission was wound up, with the imperious Sir Christopher Wren. Eventually Wren used the influence of the Queen to rid himself of the Commission, and there were polemics published aimed at Wren, now in his early eighties; but on the accession of George I of England the Commission was set up again. There were more arguments about the dome***, with a balustrade or railing proposed, Godolphin arguing for the latter. Wren's career ended on an unsatisfactory note of bitterness and criticism.[1]
Jean-Jacques Cassini , il occupe les fonctions administratives de maître ordinaire de la Chambre des comptes en 1706 puis magistrat à la Chambre de justice en 1716, et conseiller d'État en 1722. Il est connu pour être honnête, mais parfois indécis
1707
21st Jan 1707 Jacques Louis Valon married to Charlotte Magdeleine de Carvoisin d'Achy, marquisse de Mimeures.
1707, Walther mit nur 23 Jahren, wurde er zum Organisten der Stadtkirche St. Peter und Paul in Weimar gewählt, wo er Freundschaft mit Johann Sebastian Bach schloss. Walther und Bach waren entfernte Vettern (seine Großmutter war eine Halbschwester von Bachs Mutter). Kurz darauf wurde er zum Musiklehrer des Prinzen Johann Ernst, Sohn des Herzogs Johann Ernst III. von Sachsen-Weimar, und dessen Stiefschwester ernannt, was ihm hohes Ansehen verschaffte.
Death of Werckmeister (Of his compositions only a booklet remains: pieces for violin with basso continuo, with the title Musikalische Privatlust (1689).Werckmeister is best known today as a theorist, in particular through his writings Musicae mathematicae hodegus curiosus... (1687) and Musikalische Temperatur (1691), in which he coined the term well temperament (a tuning system for keyboards) and described a system of well temperament now known as Werckmeister temperament.Title page of Andreas Werckmeister, Orgelprobe (1698). Werckmeister's writings were well known to Johann Sebastian Bach, in particular his writings on counterpoint. Werckmeister believed that well-crafted counterpoint, in particular invertible counterpoint [1], was tied to the orderly movements of the planets, reminiscent of Kepler's view in Harmonice Mundi. According to George Buelow, "No other writer of the period regarded music so unequivocally as the end result of God’s work," [2] a view harmonious with that of Bach. Yet in spite of his focus on counterpoint, Werckmeister's work emphasized underlying harmonic principles.)
Peter L’Anglois (a Huguenot refugee who entered the British army 1692, was naturalized 1707, and subsequently settled as a merchant at Leghorn)
Edward Richard Montagu (propably in bold but with slight question mark) Viscount Hinchingbrooke (7 July 1692 – 3 October 1722),eldest son of Edward Montagu, 3rd Earl of Sandwich and his wife Elizabeth, daughter of the Earl of Rochester (John Wilmot, 2nd Earl of Rochester +26 July 1680). Hinchingbrooke's mother kept his father much confined, leaving Hinchingbrooke to carry out the public business of his family.
On 12 April 1707, at the age of 14, he married Elizabeth Popham (d. 20 March 1761), the daughter of Alexander Popham of Littlecote, Wiltshire (a grandson of Alexander Popham).
Handel, Italy, Rome…as opera was temporarily banned there he composed sacred music for the Roman Catholic Clergy. Including the famous Dixit Dominus (16th July). While in Italy, Handel composed the operas Rodrigo and Agrippina, (librettist Antonio Salvi, with whom he would collaborate) which were produced in 1701(7) and 1709 respectively. He also managed to write more than a few dramatic chamber works during his trip to Italy.Touring the major Italian cities over three opera seasons, he somehow met the Italian Gian Gastone de Medici and is credited with having produced another two operas, 'Daphne' and 'Florindo' in 1708 though it remains strangely unclear if Handel even directed these performances himself in the Oper am Gansemarkt. Handel introduced himself to most of Italy’s major musicians. Unexpectedly, while in Venice, he met multiple people who expressed an interest in London’s music scene. Enticed to experiment with a freelance music career there, Handel left Venice and set out for London..
On 3 August 1707,Louis Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne, comte d'Évreux at birth, was married to Marie Anne Crozat.
Rodrigo (HWV 5) is an opera in three acts composed by George Frideric Handel. Its original title was Vincer se stesso è la maggior vittoria ("To overcome oneself is the greater victory"). The opera is based on the historical figure of Rodrigo, the last Visigothic king of Hispania. The libretto was based on Francesco Silvani's II duello d'Amore e di Vendetta ("The conflict between love and revenge").[1] Dating from 1707, it was Handel's first opera written for performance in Italy, and the first performance took place in Florence late in 1707.[2] 5 (after F. Salvani)
"1707 - Herr Johann Sebastian Bach, duly appointed organist at the Church of St. Blasius in the Imperial Free City of Muhlhausen, still single at the time, youngest surviving son and lawful issue of the late Mr. Johann Ambrosius Bach, Musician to the Prince of Saxe-Eisenach, and Mistress Maria Barbara, youngest daughter and lawful issue of the late Master Johann Michael Bach, organist in Gehren. Were united in marriage in Dornheim (Dornheim is a municipality in the district Ilm-Kreis, in Thuringia, Germany). on October 17. The fees were remitted."
Jacques Louis Valon, marquis de Mimeure, (né le 19 novembre 1659 à Dijon et mort le 3 mars 1719), il fut élu à l'Académie française le 2 décembre 1707 (fauteuil 3). On dit que ce fut Antoine Houdar de la Motte qui composa pour lui son discours de réception.Sa femme, Charlotte Magdeleine de Carvoisin d'Achy, lui survécut jusqu'en 1739 et entretint une correspondance régulière avec Voltaire.
In late 1707 Dieupart became involved in establishing an operatic project at the Queen's Theatre in the Haymarket, London. Although he evidently played a significant part in the project, he was dropped by the management after about a year, in late 1708
1708
Florindo 1708, Theater am Gänsemarkt, Hamburg Opera Hinsch, Hinrich Music lost Der beglückte Florindo (HWV 3) est un opéra de Georg Friedrich Haendel commandé par Reinhard Keiser, directeur-compositeur de l’Opéra d'État de Hambourg de l’époque.La première représentation eut lieu au Theater am Gänsemarkt de Hambourg et fut probablement dirigée par Christoph Graupner en 1708, après que Handel eût quitté Hambourg pour l'Italie (same for 4 Daphne 1708, Theater am Gänsemarkt, Hamburg Opera Hinsch, Hinrich Music lost)
British general election, took place between 30 April 1708 and 7 July 1708
In 1708 Greber married Katharina Elisabeth née von Douven who was probably a relative of Johann Franz von Douven, one of Charles Philip's treasury officials. The couple had at least four children.[1][7]
Charles-Louis de Secondat, Baron de La Brède et de Montesquieu, … received a law degree from the University of Bordeaux in 1708, and went to Paris to continue his legal studies
Johann Sebastian Koch was a German musician. He was one of J.S. Bach's first pupils at Mühlhausen in 1708, and served as choir perfect there until 1710.
[Princess Hedvig Sophia Augusta of Sweden (born June 1681) died of smallpox, 22nd December 1708.Hedvig Sophia's proper funeral and interment in Riddarholm Church did not take place until 1718, after the death of her brother, Carl of Sweden.
1709
Jan 1709 : Louis Pierre Maximilen de Bethune...premier gentil homme de la chambre de Monsigeur Le Duc de Berri, fils de France...devenu duc de Sully par la mort de Maximilien-Henri de Bethune. Il a epouse en Janvier 1709 Luise Desmarais, fille de Nicolas, marquis de Maillebois, Ministre d'etat, controleur general des finances etc
Ralph Montagu, 1st Duke of Montagu, father (alleged) of John Montagu, dies 9 March 1709
In 1709 Graupner accepted a post at the court of Hesse-Darmstadt and in 1711 became the court orchestra’s Hofkapellmeister (court chapel master). Graupner spent the rest of his career at the court in Hesse-Darmstadt, where his primary responsibilities were to provide music for the court chapel. He wrote music for nearly half a century, from 1709 to 1754, when he became blind. He died six years later.
It premiered in Venice at the Teatro San Giovanni Grisostomo on 26 December 1709, and was an immediate success. Teatro San Giovanni Grisostomo, Venice Opera Grimani, Vincenzo the prettiest theatre at Venice, owned by the Grimani's Agrippina proved extremely popular, and established Handel's nternational reputation.[26] Its original run was for 27 performances, extraordinarily long for that time.[25] Handel's biographer John Mainwaring wrote of the first performance: "The theatre at almost every pause resounded with shouts of Viva il caro Sassone! ('Long live the beloved Saxon!'
Handel is invited (Dec 1709) by the brit embassador and 'Handel's' later friend , Charles Edward Montagu, 1st Duke of Manchester ,to perform in London, returns home to Ansbach (in 'Bach’s Saxe-Weissenfels and near 'Kant's' Erlangen) and is getting ready to leave friends and family behind to cross the channel.
John, The 2nd Duke of Montagu, by Godfrey Kneller, 1709 see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_Kneller he drew Newton and Luis XIV, as well..
Aaron Hill (10 février 1685 - 8 février 1750) Il devint directeur du Théâtre de Drury Lane à l'âge de 24 ans …est un écrivain et auteur dramatique anglais. Il écrivit 17 pièces de théâtre, certaines d'entre elles étant des adaptations d'autres auteurs, par exemple ses versions des pièces de Voltaire, Zaïre et Mérope. Il composa aussi des poèmes de qualité inégale. Ayant écrit quelques lignes satiriques sur Alexander Pope, celui-ci lui retourna la pareille dans La Dunciade ; il s'ensuivit une polémique entre les deux auteurs, qui finirent cependant par se réconcilier. Il était ami et correspondait avec Samuel Richardson, dont il louait hautement la Pamela. Outre ses activités littéraires, Hill fit plusieurs tentatives dans des affaires commerciales, en général sans succès.
1710
Johann Sebastian Koch was J.S. Bach's first pupils at Mühlhausen in 1708, ….served as choir perfect there until 1710.
Astruc Il est reçu docteur à l'âge de 19 ans (IE 1703)et nommé professeur d'anatomie à Toulouse en 1710
Like Apollo e Dafne, the music for The Alchemist was also composed in Italy. It found its way to England by an uncertain route, and nearly a year ahead of its composer, thanks to the bare-faced cheek of a musical pirate. All but one of the movements were taken without permission from the extended overture to Handel’s first Italian opera Rodrigo, first heard in Florence in 1707. Back in England the unknown arranger pressed the music into service in a revival of Ben Jonson’s hundred-year-old comedy The Alchemist, given at the Queen’s Theatre in the Haymarket in January 1710.From the time of Henry Purcell English theatre audiences had enjoyed listening to music as they gathered before the performance as well as at the end of each act of the play. Handel’s music was therefore divided up into nine ‘act tunes’, disposed between the ‘First Music’, played by way of overture, and the ‘Second Music’, which was interspersed between the acts of the play. Only the second movement, a ‘Prelude’, was probably the work of the anonymous hack himself; it is closer in style to the frantic mood of the play than the easy elegance of Handel’s fashionable Italian manner. In this form the recycled music for The Alchemist was almost certainly the first by Handel performed in England
Jean Jacques Cassini En 1710, il épouse Suzanne-Françoise le Charpentier du Charmoy (-1758) dont il aura cinq enfants :Suzanne-Françoise (1712-1759), Dominique-Jean (1713-1779), César-François (1714-1784), Dominique-Joseph (maréchal de camp 1715-1790) et Élisabeth-Geneviève (épouse de Forceville -1759).
Houdar La Motte Élu à l’Académie française le 8 février 1710, il devint aveugle peu après et supporta son infirmité avec stoïcisme. À un jeune homme qui l'avait souffleté parce qu'il lui avait marché sur le pied, il dit ainsi : « Vous allez être bien fâché, monsieur, je suis aveugle. ». En 1710, J.B. Rousseau se présenta à l'Académie française contre Houdar de la Motte et fut battu. Il en conçut un très vif dépit. Les couplets recommencèrent et devinrent véritablement odieux, remplis d'injures pour ses adversaires mais aussi contre de hauts personnages et de blasphèmes contre la religion. Rousseau reçut, au Palais-Royal, une correction de La Faye, capitaine aux gardes et poète à qui on les avait attribués. Rousseau porta plainte contre La Faye pour voie de fait, mais La Faye riposta par une plainte en diffamation. Rousseau se désista alors de sa plainte, entraînant le retrait de celle de son adversaire, mais ce fut pour accuser Saurin d'être l'auteur des couplets. Saurin fut arrêté, mais il put démontrer que les témoins produits contre lui avaient été subornés.
Louis XV of France born 15 February 1710 (Louis XIV died 1 September 1715),
In the middle of June 1710 G.F. Handel next entered the service of the Elector of Hanover in Germany and was for the next 2 ½ years employed there as Kapellmeister. An event that was itself strange. But not as strange as his protracted absences from Hanover during most of this employment period. During which time he was for much of the time in Venice, Rome and London. Indeed, even his surviving payment records of Hanover are puzzling.
’Kapellmeister - George Friedrich Hendell - Kapellmeister
‘Mid-Summer 1710-Mid-Summer 1711’ - George Friedrich Hendell, Kapellmeister - 1000 Thalers
On 9 October 1710 Leopold began his Grand Tour. The Tour first took him to The Hague during the winter of 1710-1711, where his lifelong love of opera began: in only four months, he went to the opera twelve times.[citation needed] The operas of Jean-Baptiste Lully impressed him greatly, and he acquired a "Rare fascination for the Opera of Monsieur Lully." Also, he learned to play the harpsichord and violin. His travel diary is still preserved in the Köthen Historical Museum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold...lt-K%C3%B6then (In 1672 Lully broke with Molière, who turned to Marc-Antoine Charpentier)
('Handel' arrives London Dec 1710). On BWV 209: See 'The Cantatas of J. S. Bach: With Their Librettos in German-English Parallel Text by Alfred Dürr' p924 (on "winds and waves")
However, Heinichen maintained his interest in music and was concurrently composing operas. In 1710, he published the first edition of his major treatise on the thoroughbass. He went to Italy and spent seven formative years there, mostly in Venice, with great success with its operas.[citation needed]In 1712, he taught music to Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen, who took him as composer. The same prince would appoint Johann Sebastian Bach Kapellmeister at the end of 1717
Handel is on record as first visiting London sometime around November- December 1710, allowing him to father WH and several more children in Weimar, Feb 1710
In London, Handel met with the manager of the King’s Theatre. The manager gladly agreed to let Handel write an opera for the theater. Within just two weeks, Handel composed Rinaldo. Released during the 1710–1711 London opera season, Rinaldo was Handel’s breakthrough work. His most critically acclaimed work up to that date, it gained him the widespread recognition he would maintain throughout the rest of his musical career. After Handel released Rinaldo, he spent the next few years writing and performing for English royalty, including Queen Anne and King George I.
Italian opera as performed in London at this time was often slightly ridiculous (fn. 3) and it did not become popular until the arrival of Handel and the first performance of his Rinaldo at the Queen's Theatre on 24 February 1710/11
Graupner accepted a post at the court of Hesse-Darmstadt and in 1711 became the court orchestra’s Hofkapellmeister (court chapel master). Graupner spent the rest of his career at the court in Hesse-Darmstadt, where his primary responsibilities were to provide music for the court chapel. He wrote music for nearly half a century, from 1709 to 1754, when he became blind. He died six years later.
Heinichen ...In 1712, he taught music to Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen, who took him as composer. The same prince would appoint Johann Sebastian Bach Kapellmeister at the end of 1717

Reader input wellcome.
Relative comments to follow in next.

Note of 9th Apr 2015 Re aliases "Godolphin", Henry and (two) Francis: Key to the particular mystery is 2nd Earl (Francis) Godolphin's "death" on 17 January 1766, coinciding to the day with Rousseau's alleged visit to "un logement à Fulham, chez un jardinier français (CC 4988)."

*She is from Paris, Rue Saint Jacques (Les Cochins) Her father (?) Francois "d'Epine" (Cochin) was an author, printer, chartographer. Pierre Langlois the publisher (Rue St Jacques) was propably his brother.

**see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famille_Gall%C3%A9an for Gallean-Galianis, seigneurs and co-owners of Chateuneuf, pre 1700.

*** 5th March, 1733. It is hereby referred to the Master & Wardens M r Serj' Dickins M r Serj' Amyand M r Petty M r Shott M r Parker & M r Maurice to receive proposalls for Building a Cupola in the Hall parlor and report the same to the next Court of Assistants.

yanni

03-02-2015, 03:16 AM

Some further general remarks may be usefull:

The basic purpose of this timeline has always been to define "who is who " by checking presences and absences of suspect- of-using-aliases-persons, ultimately proving beyond reasonable doubt the identity of Comte de Saint Germain, his mainfriends/collaborators, his family background , generally his entourage.
Number of “Voltaire’s” children turning exponential as the number of his married aliases and mistresses grew progressively, the chance of me or anybody else ever succeeding in tracing each child’s life story, which child did what under which alias, becomes very slim, the only trustworthy marker remaining for use being the musical or other eventual common charismas, flaws or habits they exhibit. It becomes evident however, once the timeline is read thru to early 19th cent, that 'V", did tutor and then used many of his children, upon adulthood, to reach his/their goal.
Readers always having a different viewpoint than author, the essential element of uncertainty as to the final outcome of any thriller, not necessarily a happy end, must remain. The author,instead, all he cares about is the form of opus, the end being at his mercy throughout.
Researching and simultaenoulsy writing on history differs in as much as the end may be known to author while little things, such as above mentioned on main heroes and their circle, essential to define character, intent and actions at any different timepoint, cannot be assessed just by a "presences- absences" timeline, many details are required, details which the author often bypasses as irrelevant only to later regret for not having kept them on record.
Such regrets have been many but the answer to the question "who V's father was?" was not one of them: I actually exposed myself already, few weeks ago,announcing the answer to two "institutional researchers" and....was wrong.
I now know the answer (key word "Chatelet") but will not disclose it until later, keeping suspence alive .

Regards to all, Cambridge scholars in particular!

Re alias "Greber": He came alive (online-wiki) in 2013 long after my timeline was initiated.

yanni

03-03-2015, 06:18 AM

Of etymological , historical and musicological interest* Queen Anne's doctor, Daniel Coxe, just discovered, first online 2007, providing the answer, up to a part only, re Handel's early (er) links to London.
Apparently Dr Coxe was not at Anne's bedside when she passed away and so was Dr Voltaire aka Cl. Amyand, Handel etc, despite the pension granted to him(Handel) by the last Stuart Queen, December 1713, being at the time propably in Hannover.

After a short google tour on the subject, it now looks we'll have make a break and indulge in detective work. Here it goes:

John Montagu, 2nd Duke of Montagu1

M, #105596, b. 29 March 1690, d. 5 July 1749

Last Edited=8 Jan 2012

Consanguinity Index=0.0%

John Montagu, 2nd Duke of Montagu
by Sir Godfrey Kneller, 1709 2
John Montagu, 2nd Duke of Montagu was born on 29 March 1690.3 He was the son of Ralph Montagu, 1st Duke of Montagu and Lady Elizabeth Wriothesley.1 He married Lady Mary Churchill, daughter of John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough and Sarah Jenyns, on 17 March 1705.1,4 He died on 5 July 1749 at age 59.3
He succeeded to the title of 3rd Baron Montagu of Boughton [E., 1621] on 9 March 1708/9.3 He succeeded to the title of 2nd Earl of Montagu [E., 1689] on 9 March 1708/9.3 He succeeded to the title of 2nd Marquess of Monthermer [E., 1705] on 9 March 1708/9.3 He succeeded to the title of 2nd Duke of Montagu [E., 1705] on 9 March 1708/9.3 He succeeded to the title of 2nd Viscount Monthermer, of Monthermer, co. Essex [E., 1689] on 9 March 1708/9.3 He held the office of Lord High Constable in 1714, for King George I's coronation.3 He gained the rank of Colonel between 1715 and 1721 in the service of the 1st Horse Guards.3 He held the office of Lord-Lieutenant of Northamptonshire between 1715 and 1749.3 He held the office of Lord-Lieutenant of Warwickshire between 1715 and 1749.3 He was invested as a Knight, Order of the Garter (K.G.) in 1718.3 He was invested as a Knight, Order of the Bath (K.B.) in 1725.3 He held the office of Governor of the Isle of Wight from 1733 to 1734.3 He was Captain of the Gentlemen Pensioners between 1734 and 1740.3 He was invested as a Privy Counsellor (P.C.) in January 1735/36.3 He gained the rank of Colonel between June 1737 and August 1737 in the service of the 1st Horse Guards.3 He gained the rank of Colonel between 1740 and 1749 in the service of the 3rd Horse Guards.3 He gained the rank of General in 1746.3 On his death, his titles became extinct.3

Children of John Montagu, 2nd Duke of Montagu and Lady Mary Churchill
1.Lady Isabella Montagu+5 d. 20 Dec 1786
2.John Montagu, Marquess of Monthermer3 b. 9 Nov 1706, d. 26 Aug 1711
3.George Montagu3 b. bt 1707 - 1724
4.Lady Mary Montagu+6 b. c 1711, d. 1 May 1775
5.Edward Montagu Churchill Montagu, Marquess of Monthermer3 b. 27 Dec 1725, d. May 1727

Citations
1.[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VIII, page 494. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
2.[S3409] Caroline Maubois, "re: Penancoet Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger Lundy, 2 December 2008. Hereinafter cited as "re: Penancoet Family."
3.[S37] BP2003 volume 2, page 2582. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
4.[S8] BP1999 volume 2, page 1867. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S8]
5.[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume II, page 58.
6.[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume III, page 15.

The above good site does not disclose- neither provides an explanation-why a property owned by John Montagu, somehow became state property, just four years after his 1749 death, in 1753, with two daughters, at least, still alive. It houses today the British Museum.
The plot thickens considering that, duke of Chandos, "Handel's patron", also died 1749 and his property, adjacent to John Montaqu's, Cavendish square, houses today Handel's Museum. Or the British Museum as well, more info needed :smile5:.

*As far as ethics or even aesthetics- a subject much reveered by classical music masters- are concerned.....it's another matter alltogether.
He did however indulge in opthalmology experiments later on, as Antonio Cocchi and Dr Taylor the "quack"!

yanni

03-03-2015, 10:12 AM

Children of John Montagu, 2nd Duke of Montagu and Lady Mary Churchill
1.Lady Isabella Montagu+5 d. 20 Dec 1786 : Must have been born earlier than Jan 1706 (second child born Nov 1706), ie conceived before April 1705 ie after marriage 17 March 1705
2.John Montagu jr, Marquess of Monthermer3 b. 9 Nov 1706, d. 26 Aug 1711 :Conceived around March 1706, ie lady Mary was either in Italy with “John sr”/Handel, perhaps staying behind in Paris (JJCassini) or John jr is by another man or woman.
3.George Montagu 3 b. bt 1707 – 1724 : Dates not usefull for any consideration other than mother travelled a lot, possibly birth in Constantinople, 1716.
4.Lady Mary Montagu+6 b. c 1711 : Handel's Alchemist of January 1711
5.Edward Montagu Churchill Montagu, Marquess of Monthermer3b. 27 Dec 1725, d. May 1727 :IE Conceived 1725 Febr , ie during Handel's Rodelinda, regina de' Longobardi 1725-02-13 King's Theatre in the Haymarket.

Shortly before:
Immanuel Kant *22 April 1724 – 12 February 1804
Karl Ludwig von Cocceji * 1724; † 12. Juli 1808 in Glogau, ein preußischer Oberregierungspräsident von Glogau.

As Lady Mary was later rumored to have spoken of arsenic, the poison, advising a lady friend, as her relations with Queen Anne had their ups and downs and furthermore as it concerns not just "Dr V a distant ancestor" but his own and other family members role in shaping then their future, the way they did, a future which also happens to be, still today after three centuries or more, our "present" in almost every sense of the word, I am obliged to further examine Anne's death, if not for the "common good" , their "felicite publique", then for my own peace of mind and the fact that I'll then be exhausting my own limits and need not continue any further with this already nauseating story. Already Knowing it's "end", you see, I was hoping to find some trace, at least, of the eventual early innocence of his youth. Fat chance!

yanni

03-05-2015, 03:40 AM

MONTAGU, EDWARD WORTLEY (1713–1776), author and traveller, son of Edward Wortley Montagu by Lady Mary [see Montagu, Lady Mary Wortley], daughter of Evelyn Pierrepont, first duke of Kingston, was born in the summer of 1713.
1711

In January 1711, Anne forced Sarah to resign her court offices, and Abigail took over as Keeper of the Privy Purse.

6th February 1711. on the occasion of Queen Anne’s Birthday celebration: ‘The Queen’s birthday was observed with great solemnity, the court was extremely numerous and magnificent. The officers of state, foreign ministers, nobility and gentry, and particularly ladies, vying with each other as to who would most grace the occasion. Between one and two in the afternoon was performed a fine consort, being a dialogue in Italian, in Her Majesties praise, being set to music by the famous Mr Hendel, a Retainer at the court of Hanover in the post of Director of His Highness Chapel, and sung by Cavaliero Nicolini Grimaldi, and the other celebrated voices of the Italian opera, with which Her Majesty was extremely pleased’. ...
In London 1711 ‘Rinaldo’. 7a Rinaldo 1711, Queen's First Performance 1711-2-24 in London. Queen's Theatre, Haymarket (Drury Lane acc to Aaron Hill’s wiki bio) Librettist Giacomo Rossi (18th c.) and Aaron Hill (1685–1750), after Torquato Tasso (1544–1595), "La Gerusalemme liberata See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Hill_(writer) for a possible alias
Harley was stabbed by a disgruntled French refugee, the Marquis de Guiscard, in March, and Anne wept at the thought he would die. He recovered slowly.
In March 1711, Bolingbroke assumed temporary leadership of the ministry's affairs. His difficulty in controlling the Tory back-benchers, however, only made Harley's absence the more noticeable.

The elder brother of Archduke Charles, Emperor Joseph I, died in April 1711 and Charles succeeded him in Austria, Hungary and the Holy Roman Empire

Johan Sebastian Koch He marticulated at the University of Jena in April 1711, and in 1712 was engaged at the court of Schleiz as a bass singer. He was made Kaappelmeister there in 1727.
On 23 May 1711 Harley the minister becomes Baron Harley, of Wigmore in the County of Hereford, and Earl of Oxford and Earl Mortimer
In May, Harley obtained the earldom of Oxford and became lord treasurer, while in July, St John was greatly disappointed at receiving only his viscountcy instead of the earldom lately extinct in his family, and at being passed over for the Order of the Garter.
End of July 1711 letter in French to Andreas Roner Handel asks him to convey compliments to Monsieur Hughes, and states that he will write to Hughes at the earliest opportunity. Handel expresses a desire to receive a poem written by Hughes. Handel states that he is making some progress with the French language.
Pierre Louis Reich de Pennautier, mort à Montpellier le 2 août 1711 fut un noble financier français. Un acteur central de l'affaire des poisons
2.John Montagu jr, Marquess of Monthermer3 b. 9 Nov 1706, d. 26 Aug 1711

Naissance 23 septembre 1711,Louis Nicolas Victor de Félix d'Ollières, comte du Muy, Surnom Maréchal de Muy
Sometime between late December 1711 and early January 1712 Telemann applied for the newly vacant Frankfurt post of city director of music and Kapellmeister at the Barfüsserkirche.

1712

Frederick II born 24 January 1712 the third Hohenzollern king, reigning over the Kingdom of Prussia from 1740
Philippe Néricault Destouches –L'Ingrat, comédie en cinq actes et en vers, 28 janvier 1712; L'Irrésolu, ...L'Ingrat, comédie en cinq actes et en vers, 28 janvier 1712
The application was successful and Telemann arrived in Frankfurt on 18 March 1712
Conceived late March to early April 1712, Paul-Hippolyte de Beauvilliers, marquis de La Ferté-Saint-Aignan, né le 26 décembre 1712 à Versailles. Son père, Paul-Hippolyte de Beauvilliers, duc de Saint-Aignan (1684-1776) est un diplomate et militaire. Ambassadeur de France à Madrid et à Rome, il est élu membre de l'Académie française en 1726. Il commande également un temps la Marine à Toulon et à Marseille.Sa mère, Marie-Anne de Montlezun (morte le 15 octobre 1734), dame de Pommeuse et de Lumigny. (Not included in http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Beauvilliers).
Henry St John Bolinbrocke In May 1712, he ordered the Duke of Ormonde, who had succeeded Marlborough in command, to refrain from any further engagement. These instructions were communicated to the French, though not to the allies, Louis putting Dunkirk as security into possession of England, and the English troops deserted their allies almost on the battlefield.
On 29 May Harley he was appointed Lord Treasurer,
Midsummer 1712 - 500 Thaler for six months salary - finally paid in arrears in 1715

JSKoch in 1712 was engaged at the court of Schleiz as a bass singer. .

Bernstorff: Graf Johann Hartwig Ernst B., geb. 13. Mai 1712 zu Hannover, † 19. Febr. 1772
Bachs. the twins, born Feb, 1713, ie conceived June-July 1712
16 July 1712 Letter from Le marechal de Montesquie au Ministre, a camp de Noyelle.
Subsequently St John (Bolinbrocke) received the congratulations of the French foreign minister, de Torcy, on the French victory over Prince Eugene at Denain (24 July 1712).
Mercredi, Aout 3 ,1712 a Fontainebleau: A une heure apres midi M.De Moy, colonel du regiment de Luxenburg et brigadier, arriva, par qui en suite encore plus de details de la levee du siege (Landrecies, July 1712).From: Journal du marquis de Dangeau: 1709-1711 by Philippe de Courcillon marquis de Dangeau,Eudoxe Soulié,Louis Dussieux,Philippe de Chennevières,Anatole de Montaiglon,Paul Mantz,Félix Feuillet de Conches,Louis de Rouvroy duc de Saint-Simon

Sir Edward Wortley Montagu (8 February 1678 – 22 January 1761) …best known for his…elopement with the aristocratic writer, Mary, daughter of Evelyn Pierrepont, 1st Duke of Kingston-upon-Hull. .. They were married on 23 August 1712 in Salisbury.[3]
Married 23rd August 1712, Halle, magister Christian Roth(born 1685 died 5.12.1752), diakonus an der Moritz Kirche, Halle, to Maria Sophia Limmer.
Johann Sebastian Bach copied all six suites sometime between 1709 and 1714,[2] and was influenced by Dieupart's music, particularly in the famous English Suites.[1]
Antoine Crozat Louis XIV lui accorde ensuite en 1712 le privilège du commerce de la Louisiane française, où vivaient des « gens de couleur » ayant fui Saint-Domingue, des boucaniers et des trappeurs. Premier propriétaire privé et directeur de la colonie de 1712 à 1717, il y est actionnaire à hauteur de 0,6 à 0,7 million de livres4 et cherche des métaux précieux.
Charles Dieupart, after about 1712 he earned his income mostly by teaching, and in his later years lived in poverty. He is best remembered today for a collection of six harpsichord suites which influenced Johann Sebastian Bach's English Suites. The earliest document to refer to the composer is his own Six Suittes de clavessin, published in Amsterdam in 1701.
Sidney Godolphin's death from natural causes in September 1712 reduced Anne to tears; she blamed their estrangement on the Marlboroughs.
11th September : Death of Jean Dominique Cassini, father of Jacques. Incapicitated 1709, blind by 1711.
Francis Godolphin, known as Viscount Rialton from 29 December 1706 till 1712. ....he was elevated to the upper house as second Earl of Godolphin on the death of his father on 15 September 1712.
Handel is on record, 1712, as Autumn : Receives permission from the Elector of Hanover to return to London "on condition that he return within a reasonable time." Early October : Returns to London for next opera season -- stays with "Mr. Andrews of Barn-Elms" (now Barnes, in Surrey)
Desaguliers: Am 14. Oktober 1712 heiratete er Joanna Pudsey, die Tochter von William and Anne Pudsey von Kidlington, in der Nähe von Oxford. Aus ihrer Ehe gingen vier Söhne und drei Töchter hervor. Nur zwei Söhne überlebten das Kindesalter.

the Opera Theater london, new pastoral opera The faithfull shepard, Pastor Fido, musik by Mr Hendel.followed by tragic Theseus by Hendel maestro di capella di S.A.E d’Hanover for two nights, after which swiney left leaving actors unpaid.. It was set to a libretto by Giacomo Rossi based on the famed and widely familiar pastoral poem of the same name by Giovanni Battista Guarini. Composition Year 24 October 1712 Il Pastor Fido testifies both to a return to the original text and to a certain departure from Indeed, the libretto written by Giacomo Rossi in 1712, although it abundantly quotes the Italian poem, blatantly privileges dramatic efficiency at the expense of the poetic dimension.
Harley: On 25 October 1712 became a Knight of the Garter. ... he had grown by persecutions, turnings out, and stabbings
A further attempt was made on his life in November with the Bandbox Plot, in which a hat-box, armed with loaded pistols to be triggered by a thread within the package was sent to him; the assassination attempt was forestalled by the prompt intervention of Jonathan Swift
Maurice de Saxe Le 20 décembre 1712, il participe à sa première bataille, à Gadebusch, contre les Suédois menés par Magnus Stenbock
Antoine Crozat: Louis XIV lui accorde ensuite en 1712 le privilège du commerce de la Louisiane française, où vivaient des « gens de couleur » ayant fui Saint-Domingue, des boucaniers et des trappeurs
1713
Destouches L'Irrésolu, comédie en cinq actes et en vers, Paris, Théâtre Français, 5 janvier 1713
10 Jan 1713 Teseo, Queen's Theatre, London Opera Haym, Nicola Francesco, after Philippe Quinault 5 acts Year/Date of Composition 1712-12-19 Teseo: Valeriano Pellegrini, called "Valeriano" (soprano-castrato), Agilea: Francesca Margherita de l'Épine, called "La Margherita" (soprano)
Swiney’s departure to Italy with the cash of Teseo's first performance.
Wilhelm Heinrich first married Albertine Juliane of Nassau-Idstein in Idstein on 15 February 1713. This marriage was childless. He married his second wife Anna Sophie Charlotte of Brandenburg-Schwedt in Berlin on 3 June 1723, just eight months after the death of Albertine Juliane. The second marriage was also childless

JSBach is in Weissenfels February /Weissenfels, Dec./Halle),

Prince Leopold Next on his itinerary were Rome and Venice, where he spend 130 Thalers just for visits to the opera theaters. Later, he traveled to Florence, Turin, and finally Vienna, where he acquired a collection of twelve cantatas by Francesco Mancini

Heinrich Cocceji wird Wien 3.3.1713 in den Reichsfreiherrnstand erhoben.

The Treaty of Utrecht, which established the Peace of Utrecht, is a series of individual peace treaties, rather than a single document, signed by the belligerents in the War of the Spanish Succession, in the Dutch city of Utrecht in March and April 1713. The treaties between several European states, including Spain, Great Britain, France, Portugal, Savoy and the Dutch Republic, helped end the war. ....the Duchy of Savoy acquired part of the former Duchy of Milan, including Turin, and the architect Filippo Juvarra began a major redesign of the city. Now the capital of a European kingdom, Turin had about 90,000 inhabitants at the time.
Cato, a Tragedy is a play written by Joseph Addison in 1712, and first performed on 14 April 1713.
By signing the Treaty of Utrecht, King Louis XIV of France recognised the Hanoverian succession in Britain.[181] Nevertheless, gossip that Anne and her ministers favoured the succession of her half-brother rather than the Hanoverians continued, despite Anne's denials in public and in private.[182] The rumours were fed by her consistent refusals to permit any of the Hanoverians to visit or move to England,[183] and by the intrigues of Harley and the Tory Secretary of State Lord Bolingbroke, who were in separate and secret discussions with her half-brother about a possible Stuart restoration until early 1714.[184]
On 17 April 1713, Leopold returned to Köthen. In all, he spent the sum of 55,749 Thalers on his trips. In 1714 he seized an opportunity to create a court Kapelle (musical establishment) made possible by the dissolution of the royal Prussian court orchestra. Many of the Berlin musicians entered his service. Its first Kapellmeister was the opera composer Augustin Reinhard Stricker, who was succeeded by Bach three years later.
Marlborough was delighted when on reaching Frankfurt in the middle of May to see that the troops under Eugene's command paid her lord 'all the respects as if he had been at his old post'.[130] The Duke also journeyed to his principality of Mindelheim which was destined, as he suspected, to revert to Bavaria at the conclusion of the peace negotiations.
GFHandel is dismissed from Hanoverian post in May
Lady Mary Wortley Montagu's married life were spent in seclusion in the country. She had a son, Edward Wortley Montagu the younger, on 16 May 1713, in London.[3] Her husband became Member of Parliament for Westminster in 1715, and shortly afterwards was made a Lord Commissioner of the Treasury. When Lady Mary joined him in London, her wit and beauty soon made her a prominent figure at court
Queen Anne was unable to walk between January and July 1713.[185]
1713-6-2(?) Work Title Silla Alternative Title Lucio Cornelio Silla Composer Handel, George Frideric First Performance 1713-6-2(?) Librettist Giacomo Rossi, from Plutarch (who refers to him as "Sulla") Language Italian Dedication Libretto dedicated to the Duke D'Aumont (Louis Marie Augustin, duc d'Aumont (1709–1782), was a celebrated collector of works of art.(page does not exist))
The attribution of music performed for a state ceremony in honour of the English queen by German composer from Hanover ( though sung in Italian) is also unusual in several senses. It marked a notable departure from well established convention. Records in London show in the years prior to 1711 show the music supplied for the birth celebrations of monarchs was only by English composers and sung to English texts provided by the English court Poet Laureate. And that’s not all. For the next 4 years (1711-15) this new Italianate arrangement continued - i.e. during the last 3 years of Queen Anne - and during the 1st year of George 1st’s own reign. (1715). There are no records of English commissions for musical odes and other music to be supplied to the English court by the court Poet Laureate during those years nor any for texts to be set by the resident London Master of the Queen’s Musik.

Further mystifying Handel’s situation was the premiere of a 'Te Deum' that is traditionally attributed to him which was performed at St Paul’s Cathedral in London on 7th July 1713 - this only privately ‘attributed’ to Handel in a letter from Thomas Grote written to Hanover on 13th January that year (and still attributed to Handel today) although its premiere in London (widely reported in newspapers and journals of the time) say nothing of him being its composer. (They do, however, refer to Handel having been present at its rehearsals

Desaguliers 1713 hielt er in London Vorlesungen über Physik.

Jacques Cassini .En 1713, utilisant une autre méthode basée sur les éclipses lunaires des étoiles et des planètes, mesurées dans les années 1700, il confirme la théorie de son père, une position qu'il maintient tout au long de sa vie.

Montesquie On the death of his father in 1713 he returned to La Brède to manage the estates he inherited, and in 1715 he married Jeanne de Lartigue, a practicing Protestant, with whom he had a son and two daughters.

C’est largement grâce aux femmes que Voltaire se faufile dans la haute société de la Régence. Louise Bénédicte de Bourbon, duchesse du Maine réunissait dans son château de Sceaux une coterie littéraire qui complotait contre le duc Philippe d’Orléans (1674-1723). On y poussa Voltaire à exercer sa verve railleuse contre le Régent, ce qui valut à l’auteur un début de notoriété, et onze mois de Bastille.

Mattheson is mainly famous as a music theorist. He was the most abundant writer on performance practice, theatrical style, and harmony of the German Baroque. He is particularly important for his work on the relationship of the disciplines of rhetoric and music, for example in Das neu-eröffnete Orchestre, Hamburg 1713

Prince Ferdinando son of Cosimo II di Medici, died, 31 October 1713 (aged 50having fathered no children. (In 1696 Ferdinando sought recreation in Venice. He fell in love with a female vocalist called La Bambagia.[5] It is presumed that during the Carnival of Venice, Ferdinando contracted syphilis. Victoria Tarquini, called La Bombace, the wife of the concertmaster Jean-Baptiste Farinel became the mistress of Ferdinando. (She may have been a daughter of Robert Cambert and had an affair with Handel.[6]) By 1710 his health had begun to fail, and the annual operatic productions at Pratolino under his aegis (see below) ceased. (^ Harris, E.T. (2001) Handel as Orpheus: voice and desire in the chamber cantatas, p. 180).

Alles mit Gott und nichts ohn' ihn (Everything with God and nothing without him), BWV 1127, is an aria for soprano, strings, and basso continuo written in October 1713 by Johann Sebastian Bach to a text by theologian Johann Anton Mylius. It was discovered on May 17, 2005 in Weimar (the city where the work was composed and first performed) by Michael Maul, a researcher from the Bach Archive.[1] The phrase Alles mit Gott und nichts ohn' ihn was the motto of Duke Wilhelm Ernst of Saxe-Weimar whom Bach served as court organist. The work is an ode in honour of the duke's 52nd birthday. (born 19 October 1662 }The text was written by Johann Anton Mylius.[2]

En 1713, jeune secrétaire d’ambassade à La Haye, Voltaire s’éprend d’Olympe Dunoyer (ou du Noyer), alias Pimpette. C'est très vite le grand amour

6th Dece 1713, Voltaire, La Haye His first fully dated letter to mademoiselle Dunoyer, followed by a volley to same 10th, 13th, 16th, 19th, 28th (says left Haye is in Rotterdam going to Paris for new year, hopes she has not sent him a letter to his fathers adress.)
C’est largement grâce aux femmes que Voltaire se faufile dans la haute société de la Régence. Louise Bénédicte de Bourbon, duchesse du Maine réunissait dans son château de Sceaux une coterie littéraire qui complotait contre le duc Philippe d’Orléans (1674-1723). On y poussa Voltaire à exercer sa verve railleuse contre le Régent, ce qui valut à l’auteur un début de notoriété, et onze mois de Bastille.

Queen Anne :At Christmas, she was feverish, and lay unconscious for hours,[186] which led to rumours of her impending death.[187] on 28th December 1713 Queen Anne grants GFH a pension of £200 per annum
Pommeuse (château et terre de) Seine-et-Marne, arr. et C/on/ Coulommiers état des titres § Vente de .. par le duc de Saint-Aignan, à Philippe Langlois, secrétaire du Roi, au prix de 195.000 l. 29 décembre 1713 - See more at: http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/ead-display/-/ead/pl/aicode/FR-FRAN/type/fa/id/FRAN_IR_041441/dbid/C112506130#sthash.lSYncQnq.dpuf

1714
En 1714, Charles XII lui confère la jouissance de sa principauté de Deux-Ponts (Zweibrücken), à la frontière de la Lorraine. Stanislas peut y cultiver la musique et les arts, la philosophie et les sciences dans le palais baroque « aux allures orientales » qu’il fait construire et qu'il baptise « Tschifflick » ("maison de plaisance" en turc), en souvenir de son séjour à Bender. Lors de son séjour dans la principauté, il perd sa fille aînée Anne.

Voltaire : Next to same, letter from Paris, Jan the 2nd, writes that he is hiding because his father disinherited him and wants to have him locked up. Next 20th January tells her to write to her uncle, ;l’eveque d’evreux, to intervene to the King so that she joins him in Paris, advise her to write to him at the procureur au Chatelet address and another ont he 10th. Next letter, 1715,to Mme la marquise de Mimeures..
6 mars 1714 Les combats cessent définitivement en 1713, après une campagne militaire en Allemagne victorieuse pour Louis XIV. Presque un an après le traité d'Utrecht est signé le 6 mars 1714 le Traité de Rastatt.

Voltaire fréquenta la cour de Sceaux au "temps de l'aimable Régence" en 1714, peut être dès 1713 et jusqu'en 1718. Il y revint entre 1745 et 1750

1714 Houdar de La Motte Il versifia, en 1714, sans connaître le grec, la traduction de l’Iliade publiée par Anne Dacier en 1699. La préface de cette traduction contient un Discours sur Homère dans lequel, après s'être livré à une critique en règle de l'original dans laquelle il stigmatise la grossièreté des personnages, la prolixité de leurs discours, les répétitions, les énumérations, etc., il affirme : « J’ai pris la liberté d’y changer ce qui j’y trouvais de désagréable »

Montesquie He became a counselor of the Bordeaux Parliament in 1714
Ernst von Biron In 1714 he set out to seek his fortune in Russia, and unsuccessfully solicited a place at the court of the Princess Charlotte of Brunswick-Lüneburg, the consort of the Tsarevich Alexei Petrovich. Returning to Mitau, he succeeded in gaining a footing at court there through one of his sisters, who was the fancy of the ruling minister, Peter Bestuzhev. Biron's sister's mistress was the young duchess Anna Ivanovna. During his patron’s absence, Biron, a handsome, insinuating fellow, succeeded in supplanting him in the favour of Anna, and procuring the disgrace and banishment of Bestuzhev and his family.
Maurice de Saxe marrried March 12, 1714 to Johanna Victoria von Loeben https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/west-europese-adel/I1073858895.php
Placé chez un procureur nommé Alain, Thieriot y eut Voltaire pour camarade en 1714, et c’est de cette époque que date leur liaison, qui dura plus de cinquante ans
Placé chez un procureur nommé Alain, Thieriot y eut Voltaire pour camarade en 1714, et c’est de cette époque que date leur liaison, qui dura plus de cinquante ans

John Theophilus Desaguliers war ein Geistlicher in der Church of England. Durch die Fürsprache von James Brydges, 1. Duke of Chandos, wurde er Gemeindepfarrer von St. Lawrence's in Little Stanmore.Seit dem 29. Juli 1714 war er Mitglied der Royal Society.

She recovered, but was seriously ill again in March.[188] By July, Anne had lost confidence in Harley; his secretary recorded that Anne told the cabinet "that he neglected all business; that he was seldom to be understood; that when he did explain himself, she could not depend upon the truth of what he said; that he never came to her at the time she appointed; that he often came drunk; [and] last, to crown all, he behaved himself towards her with ill manner, indecency and disrespect."[189] On 27 July 1714, during Parliament's summer recess, she dismissed Harley as Lord Treasurer.[190] Despite failing health, which her doctors blamed on the emotional strain of matters of state, she attended two late-night cabinet meetings that failed to determine Harley's successor. A third meeting was cancelled when she became too ill to attend.[191] She was rendered unable to speak by a stroke on 30 July 1714, the anniversary of Gloucester's death, and on the advice of the Privy Council handed the treasurer's staff of office to Whig grandee Charles Talbot, 1st Duke of Shrewsbury.[192] She died at around 7:30 a.m. on 1 August 1714.[193] John Arbuthnot, one of her doctors, thought her death was a release from a life of ill-health and tragedy; he wrote to Jonathan Swift, "I believe sleep was never more welcome to a weary traveller than death was to her."[194]

Queen Anne, suffering from porfyria, (dies 1 August 1714). As it turn out, her doctor was present!
"Barber" Claudius Amyand, at 170l. per an., 1 Aug. 1714 to Michaelmas 1716 From: 'Declared Accounts: Civil List', Calendar of Treasury Books, Volume 30: 1716 (1958), pp. CLXXXIII-CCXVIII. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rep...x?compid=85262
Saint Saphorin: En 1714, il représente le Hanovre au traité de Baden.Il fut signé le 7 septembre 1714 à Baden en Suisse et complétait les Traités d'Utrecht (1713) et le Traité de Rastatt (6 mars 1714) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Gl%C3%A9rolles#/media/File:2012-08-12_10-03-17_Switzerland_Canton_de_Vaud_Saint_Saphorin.JPG
George and his father sailed for England from The Hague on 16/27 September 1714 and arrived at Greenwich two days later.[21] The following day, they formally entered London in a ceremonial procession.[22] George was given the title of Prince of Wales. Caroline followed her husband to Britain in October with their daughters, while Frederick remained in Hanover to be brought up by private tutors.[23
In October 1714 Mackenzie wrote to Mar that Erskine was sending the Czar's trusted agent , Semen Grigorovich Naryskin, to canvey some artifacts and information (From "Emanuel Swedenborg secret agent on Earth and Heaven")
20 October 1714 George I Coronation
Handel "Te deum", October, 1714, was staged only in the year!! http://www.gfhandel.org/chron1.htm
Chandos : days after his father's death on 16 October 1714, when he became 9th Baron Chandos, he was created 1st Viscount Wilton and 1st Earl of Carnarvon; he became 1st Duke of Chandos and 1st Marquess of Carnarvon in 1719
Francis Godolphin. He was again cofferer of the household 1714–23, lord lieutenant of the county of Oxford 1715–1735, lord of the bedchamber to George I 1716, high steward of Banbury 1718, and a privy councillor 26 May 1723. To George II he was groom of the stole, and first lord of the bedchamber 1727–35. He was named high steward of Woodstock 18 March 1728, and the same day appointed Governor of the Scilly Islands.

Sir Edward Wortley Montagu…..was MP for Huntingdon before eventually becoming a Lord Commissioner of the Treasury from 1714 to 1715 and Ambassador to the Ottoman Porte in Constantinople from 1716 to 1718.

JSBach is in Halle, December
December 1714 to April 1715: Samuel von Cocceji represented Magdeburg in Vienna, followed by Graf Karl Hugo von Metternich. (Note by Yanni: a major, for european history, new-alias-discovery today, April 17th, 2015, leading among others to the conclusion that Henri Cochin-alleged father of Augustin Henri Cochin aka Pierre Michel Hennin-and "Voltaire" were the same person.)
1715

Claude Adrien Helvétius born (26 January or 26 February 1715 (sources differ) – 26 December 1771). His ancestor was a Dutch physician and alchemical writer, of German extraction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Friedrich_Schweitzer.

Voltaire Intitulé : Rousseau, Jean Baptiste, l.a.s. à Boutet Date(s) : 8 avril 1715 Importance matérielle et support : 3 p. ½ in-4° Langue et écriture des documents : Français, latin Bibliographie : D27, Best 26 Note(s) : Adresse et cachet. Personne(s) : Boutet ; Rousseau, Jean Baptiste

JBRousseau at the time was propably in Switzerland (he wasn't see next), protected by comte du Luc (2 février 1667 – 21 juillet 1740) embassador there to Louis XIV. A Du Luc was owner of the property next to AHCochin (Marquis des Arcs, de Vins, de La Marthe et de Savigny-sur orge).

Montesq Le 30 avril 1715 à Bordeaux, il épouse Jeanne de Lartigue, une protestante issue d'une riche famille et de noblesse récente, alors que le protestantisme restait interdit en France depuis la révocation de l'édit de Nantes en 1685, qui lui apporte une dot importante.
Antonio Conti (Padua 1677 – Padua 1749), 109 one of the correspondents of Antonio Cocchi, went to England in 1715 to meet Newton and to observe the solar eclipse. He stayed there with a short intermission until March 1718 when he was forced to leave the country because of his asthma. The poet Paolo Rolli (Rome 1687 – Todi 1765)110 came to England for the same scientific reasons as Conti. He, however, stayed there for thirty years.
25 May 1715 premier Amadigi di Gaula London, King's Theatre'
25 juin Voltaire En 1715, Voltaire à 21 ans. Il a été introduit dans le salon de la marquise (de Mimeure). Le 25 juin, il lui écrit.
J'ai vu, Madame, votre petite chienne, votre petit chat et Mlle Aubert
Destouches* : Le Médisant, comédie en 5 actes (1715) published. La fausse Veuve, ou le Jaloux sans Jalousie, comédie en un acte et en prose, 20 juillet 1715.
Handel - finally paid in arrears in 1715
On 19 August Bolingbroke wrote to the Pretender: "Things are hastening to that point, that either you, Sir, at the head of the Tories, must save the Church and Constitution of England or both must be irretrievably lost for ever" (On 14 March 1715, the Pretender appealed to Pope Clement XI for help for a Jacobite rising: "It is not so much a devoted son, oppressed by the injustices of his enemies, as a persecuted Church threatened with destruction, which appeals for the protection and help of its worthy pontiff".[1]
Louis XIV dies 1 September 1715, known as Louis the Great (Louis le Grand) or the Sun King (le Roi-Soleil)

Dr Claudius Amyand was appointed Sergeant-Surgeon (Surgeon in Ordinary) to George I in 1715

Jacques François Stuart débarque en Écosse au nord d'Aberdeen le 22 décembre 1715,

Maruisse Du Deffand : Elle fut introduite par son amant Charles-Jean-François Hénault, président de la Première Chambre des enquêtes du Parlement de Paris et ami de la reine, chez la duchesse du Maine qui régentait alors les plaisirs à la cour de Sceaux, avec ses salons littéraires et les fêtes des Grandes Nuits de Sceaux, dans le cercle des Chevaliers de la Mouche à Miel (check tower of les chevaliers with Nicolai’s tower at Vyborg)
George Keith, 10e comte Marischal (1692/93 ? – 28 mai 1778), fut un officier d'armée écossais. Il était surnommé Earl Marischal parce que le titre de comte-maréchal d'Écosse était héréditaire dans sa famille, en tant que chefs du clan Keith.Il servit d'abord avec distinction sous Marlborough, et refusa après la mort de la reine Anne en 1715, de reconnaître pour roi George Ier, et voulut faire proclamer le Prétendant, fils de Jacques II.
Henry St John, 1st Viscount Bolingbroke (/ˈsɪndʒɨn/, /ˈbɒlɪŋbrʊk/ 16 September 1678 – 12 December 1751) was an English politician, government official and political philosopher. He was a leader of the Tories, and supported the Church of England politically despite his antireligious views and opposition to theology. In 1715 he supported the Jacobite rebellion of 1715 which sought to overthrow the new king George I. Escaping to France he became foreign minister for the Pretender. He was attainted for treason, but reversed course and was allowed to return to England in 1723. He is best known as the philosopher of the Country party)

Before Chandos was made a duke(1719) he employed the young composer George Frideric Handel over a period of two years, 1717–18. Handel lived at Cannons, where he composed his oratorio Esther and his pastoral opera Acis and Galatea. Handel also composed the Chandos Anthems for his patron; they were first performed at the parish church of St Lawrence, Little Stanmore, with the composer playing the organ of 1716 which has survived there to the present day.

*Emphasis in bold. Either an alias of "Voltaire" or his brother "Jean Jacques Bach".

yanni

03-08-2015, 12:34 PM

Some notes:

1. Once, only, are "Voltaire's" aliases emphasised in bold, when they are first recognised as such*. From then on they are not in bold. Readers are advised, for their own convenience, to keep an alias list to facilitate their reading going forward.
2. It is quite obvious that many experts had plenty of fun, carefully and precisely creating eversince each alias story, keeping however many concrete** dates intact. For these last (dates) I am deeply thankfull. The rest of their opus however is being taken lightly.
3. Even if, already at this stage, in its present form this thread has produced quite a few interesting conclusions, as final touches, say, on a canvass of early 18th century developments, it has also been much more of a slogthru for me the author than you, the reader, not only because, as said, I know the puzzle's answer and therefore the essential for me element of curiosity is missing, not just because it takes me endless precious hours to bring each "timeline" post in it's the barely readable form but, mainly, because the more detail is added to each post,nevertheless essential for objectivity/truth, the more reader's interest is lost.
As I am not writing for the rare, highly educated individual with a fine taste for history of music, champagne, diplomacy and banking but for the majority of the readers "body", before my effort goes down the detail drain, I am thinking of changing presentation form and concentrate next on individual time periods with exceptional interest, such as 1745, 176O's, 1774-1775, all critical for unveiling Saint Germain's (already revealed in the past) identity, put in doubt by "Felix de Muys" bros of post 331above. Even if, I add, my own fun of using a virtual opponent's tools, copy-pasting select biography parts from an endless list of aliases created eversince for his convenience , may be thereby lost.

* By entering into timeline solid data,common charactheristics and checking for coincidence of presences-absences .
**full calendar date, place, description of specific event.

yanni

03-14-2015, 02:18 AM

Alternative title:

Hannover stink-kaese, Markus Passion, Bubbly and Bubble, Voltaire Cossigny de Muy aka John Law.

(Was lured by the specific champagne -H.Pappa's "Casa Nuova", what else? :) -and John Law's stock bubble crash, sorry for going back to previous form)

Preamble: Since late 1715, death of Luis XIV, France is run by the regent, Duke d'Orlean and Cardinal Fleury, patron of les Felix's de Muy.

Note: Dates below have NOT been corrected for calender difference existing at the time.

1716

Early in 1716, Edward Wortley Montagu was appointed Ambassador at Istanbul. Lady Mary accompanied him to Vienna, and thence to Adrianople and Istanbul. He was recalled in 1717, but they remained at Istanbul until 1718. She had a daughter, who would grow up to be Mary, Countess of Bute, on 19 January 1718 in Istanbul. After an unsuccessful delegation between Austria and Ottoman empires, they returned to England.[3]
In 1716, Heinichen met in Venice the Prince Elector of Saxony, and was appointed Kapellmeister to the Elector of Saxony in Dresden..
Francis Godolphin becomes Lord of the Bedchamber to King George I., Feb. 12, 1716 ;
Voltaire: In 1716 at 26 because of writing indecent vers against the regent is exiled for a short period at Sully-sur-Loire.
3rd April 1716 Montesquie becomes member of l’académie des sciences, belles-lettres et arts de Bordeaux. In 1716 he inherited from his uncle the title Baron de La Brède et de Montesquieu and the office of Président à Mortier in the Parlement of Bordeaux, which was at the time chiefly a judicial and administrative body. For the next eleven years he presided over the Tournelle, the Parlement's criminal division...
on 19th April, 1716 Erskine rose high in the opinion of his Imperial Patron, travelled with him and Catherine in 1716 through Denmark, Germany and Holland. He was given the title of Councillor of State. He was present at the marriage of the Tsar’s niece, the Tsarevna Yekaterina Ivanovna (mother of the unlucky Regent, Anna Leopoldovna), to the Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, at Danzig on 19th April, 1716
On May 1, 1716, Law presented a modified version of his centralized bank plan to the Banque Generale which approved a private bank that allowed investors to supply one-fourth of an investment in currency and the other parts in defunct government bonds
May 14th 1716 marriage of Jean Baptiste de Felix, seigneur de Greisset & de la Chaudon, chevalier de Saint Louis, ci devant lieutenant general colonel du regiment du Luc,cavalerie, epousa le 14 Mai 1716, Madeleine d’Agut, fille du Joseph Scipion, President a la cour des comptes, aides et finaces de Provence. De ce marriage…trois filles Dictionnaire de la noblesse . (A Mr.Gresset was directeur de l’academie Francoise 1754-5 at the time of Destouches "death" July 1754 and had argument with de Boissy http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaudon_(Alpes-de-Haute-Provence). “Le Gresset de l'Italie et un des meilleurs poètes qu'elle possédât alors”.)
Jean Jacques Cassini magistrat à la Chambre de justice en 1716,
June 1716, Ernest August, brother of King George I, visits London (from Osnabruck).
June 1716 English Mr John G— Handel (having 500 pounds of South Sea Company stock) states that the dividend on the stock (at "next August") should be paid to Mr Thomas Carbonnel*. (The full surname of the recipient has been removed from the manuscript.)
July 7th 1716 Destouches: Le Triple Mariage, comédie en 1 acte et en prose, Paris, Théâtre Français, 7 juillet 1716 . In 1716 he was attached to the French embassy in London, where he remained for six years under abbé Dubois.In 1719, he became secretary to M. de Puysieux, the French ambassador to Switzerland.
Soon after: Montesquie develops financial problems all of a sudden: Tout va bien jusqu’en 1716, date de la grande brouille familiale. En effet, Montesquieu a essayé de se faire rembourser les dettes auprès des banquiers de Bordeaux, mais personne n’était solvable.
In July 1716, the king returned to Hanover for six months, and George was given limited powers, as "Guardian and Lieutenant of the Realm", to govern in his father's absence.[26] He made a royal progress through Chichester, Havant, Portsmouth and Guildford in southern England.[27] Spectators were allowed to see him dine in public at Hampton Court Palace.[28] An attempt on his life at Drury Lane Theatre, in which one person was shot dead before the assailant was brought under control, boosted his high public profile.[29]
Brockes-Marcus passion by Georg Frideric Handel - London, c1715-1716 ?
Fall 1716Eté 1716. Voltaire est à Sullly-sur Loire où il est frappé d'exil. Du chateau de Sully, il écrit à la marquise de Mimeure :Il serait délicieux pour moi de rester à Sully s'il m'était possible d'en sortir. M. le duc de Sully est le plus aimable des hommes et celui à qui j'ai le plus d'obligation.
[*1st Sept 1716 ]latter by Robert Erskin to his brother John Erskin inviting him to Copenhagen (JSBach and Johann Jacob Bach??)
22 Sept 1716 letter of Henry Stirling to John Erskine: Robert Erskine is described as "in as great prosperity as such service can afford"
Les comédiens italiens reviennent à Paris sous la Régence en 1716 et profitent de la protection du duc d'Orléans pour reprendre leurs représentations, sous la direction de Luigi Riccoboni, à l’hôtel de Bourgogne. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Riccoboni
Everince 1716 Suzanne-Catherine Gravet de Corsembleu de Livry, qui fut la maitresse de Voltaire , notamment lors de son exil au château de Sully-sur-Loire en 1716-1717
1 December 1716: When Johann Samuel Drese died in 1716, Bach solicited his post of Kapellmeister (head of the court musical establishment), but William Ernest appointed Drese's incompetent son for the post instead; furious, Bach solicited his dismissal from the Duke's service. Annoyed at Bach's impertinence, William Ernest had Bach jailed for four weeks in a fortress before he accepted his dismissal
1717
Félix du Muy qui arrivent à Versailles avec leurs deux fils, Joseph-Gabriel et Louis-Nicolas entre 1717 et 1722.
Fleury est alors précepteur du jeune roi qui lui gardera toujours une très fidèle affection
Madame de Ventadour continued in her position as royal governess until 1717**, when the boy king was deemed old enough to be raised by men. Her husband died in the same year. She then became Lady-in-waiting to Elizabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate, Dowager Duchess of Orléans, widow of Philippe de France, Duke of Orléans (+2 December 1723), only sibling of Louis XIV
March 27, 1717. Adrienne Lecouvreur left for Paris, and in 1717 she received a letter from the first gentleman of the King's chamber, requesting her to join the Comédie-Francaise. The letter read: "We, Steward and Controller General of the King's silverplate, pleasures, and business of the King's Chamber, order His Majesty's Players (in accordance with the order of Monseigneur the Duc d'Aumont, Peer of France and First Gentleman of the Chamber) to invite Mademoiselle Lecouvreur, immediately after the seasonal opening of their theatre, to perform in a play of her own choosing, in order to judge of any talent she may have for the theatre. Done in Paris this 27th day of March, 1717."[1]
Since late 1716, The King of Sweden was planing to supply toops for a decent to Britain on 20th April 1717. These negotiations coicided with the sojourn of Peter I, accompanied by Dr Erskine, Peter's principal confident traveling to Copenhagen, Amsterdam and the Hague.
April 1717 De Châteauneuf , "our ambassador at La Haye intermediating, Czar Peter the Great informed the Regent of his desire to visit Paris"(d’avril 1717, par l’intermédiaire de Châteauneuf, notre ambassadeur à la Haye, le Tsar Pierre le Grand informait le Régent de son désir de visiter Paris).
11th May 1717 Johann Christian Hendel's marriage to widow of publisher Joh. Jac. Krebsen, Halle. (Die Druckerei Stegmann ging, anscheinend zu Anfang des 18. Jahrhunderts......, Im Jahre 1717 wurde er von Joh. Jac. Krebsens nachgelassener Frau Witwe zum Faktor ihrer Druckerey angenommen, und hernach den 11. May dieses Jahres mit ihr ehelich verbunden, worauf er diese Druckerey gerichtlich annahm und als sein Eigenthum erkaufte.)
Voltaire : le temps de son séjour à la Bastille, du 16 mai 1717-11 avril 1718 De retour à Paris, malgré ses promesses d’être sage, il récidive : pour les J’ai vu, qui n’étaient pas de lui, mais aussi pour le Puero regnante, qui était bien de lui, il passe onze mois à la Bastille (1717)
10th&11th May the Czar exchanged visits with the Regent and lifted the infant King in his arms. The regent presented Peter with a large diamond supplied by John Law.
16th May, the Czar visited Les Invalides (Place Vendome) and, after befriending the wounded soldiers and tasting their soupe, dined there among many men and one only woman, La Marquise de Bethune. (Le 16 mai, le czar « alla aux Invalides, où il voulut tout voir et tout examiner partout. » À cet appétit de savoir, dûment martelé dans le texte, succède une bonhomie qui correspond certes à la nature du personnage, mais génère surtout un intéressant contraste avec ses habitudes de table : « Au réfectoire, il goûta de la soupe des soldats et de leur vin, but à leur santé et les appela camarades »28. L’invitation adressée à la marquise de Béthune (pourtant une « voyeuse ») priée de se mettre à table en sa compagnie (« ce fut la seule dame qui y mangea, avec beaucoup de seigneurs »), produit le même effet.
On 24 June 1717 (the Feast of St. John the Baptist), at the formation of the first Premier Grand Lodge of England of freemasons at London, the members present elected as their first Grand Master "Antony Sayer, Gentleman". He further served Grand Lodge as Senior Grand Warden under John Theophilus Desaguliers.[1]
Marivaux Il se marie le 7 juillet 1717 avec Colombe Boulogne (union longtemps considérée comme un mariage d'intérêt, alors que son épouse est en fait déjà enceinte14), fille d’un riche avocat « conseiller du roi »15, dont la dot permet au ménage de vivre dans l’aisance. Il perd son père en 1719. Mais il est ruiné par la banqueroute de Law en 1720, perd son épouse en 1723, et doit alors écrire pour vivre et élever sa fille16.
15th August 1717 de Châteauneuf, notre ambassadeur à la Haye signs Commerce and peace Treaty with Czar Peter I.. Oeuvres Completes De Voltaire: Tome Vingt-Quatrieme, Τόμος 24
Götze Johann. 1717 erhielt er die Ernennung zum Hofkaplan des Kurprinzen Friedrich August (ab 1733 Kurfürst Friedrich August II., ab 1734 König August III. von Polen).
Bach Appointed Kapellmeister to Prince Leopold at C then, 5 Aug., but is at first prevented by Duke Wilhelm Ernst from taking up the post. Visits Dresden and accepts invitation to take part in contest with Marchand
August 1717 John Law...organized the Compagnie d'Occident (Company of the West) to which the French government gave the control of trade between France and its Louisiana and Canadian colonies. In Canada, the French would trade in beaver skins. In the Louisiana colony they would trade in precious metals. (Properties of Dr Daniel Coxe)
De La Roche's Autograph may be seen in the British Museum in the collection of letters to Des Maizeaux, to whom he w rites : — "London, 19th October 17 17. — I pray you very humbly not to mention in your per formance that it was I who translated the controversy between Mr. Clark and Monsieur Leibnitz." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_de_La_Roche!
John Montagu On 23 October 1717, he was admitted a fellow of the Royal College of Physicians.[1] Cambridge.

Destouches L'Obstacle imprévu, ou l'Obstacle sans Obstacle, en 5 actes et en prose, 29 octobre 1717
Bach Is imprisoned by Wilhelm Ernst, 6 Nov., but then allowed to leave Weimar,
Cl. Amyand married Mary Rabache on 6 November 1717 at St Benet Paul’s Wharf,
born 16 novembre 1717 à Paris, Jean le Rond D’Alembert by Madame Tencin/Deffand and of "unknown" (til now) father.
Bach 2 Dec. Examines organ in Paulinerkirche, Leipzig, 16 Dec. It was at Cothen that Bach composed "Six Concertos with Several Instruments, Dedicated to His Royal Highness, Monseigneur Christian Ludwig, Margrave of Brandenburg &. &. &. by His very humble and obediant servant, Johann Sebastian Bach, Capellmeister of His Most Serene Highness the Reigning Prince of Anhalt-Cothen." There is no evidence the concertos were ever performed by their recipient. "In the catalogue of his library, which contained many things of value, Bach's score was not deemed worthy of mention, and after Markgraf's death in 1734, was assembled with other manuscripts for sale in a job lot. . . Bach, however, retained a copy of the score and performed the music at Cothen." [Terry, p. 135]

Antonio Cocchi He returned to Florence to start his medical practice there in 1717. After a year on Elba he came back to Florence and learned several modern and classical languages (Spanish, French, English, Ancient Greek, and the basics of Arabic and Hebrew) in order to understand foreign medical sources. Thanks to his linguistic abilities he became the preferred doctor of Englishmen in Florence. He met Theophilus Hastings, 9th Earl of Huntingdon (1696–1746), whom he joined as a personal doctor for his journey to England in 1722.
Then Marivaux's literary ardour took a new phase: His friendship with Antoine Houdar de La Motte introduced him to the Mercure, the chief newspaper of France, and he started writing articles for it in 1717
1718
Lady Montagu (E.W.Montagu's wife) had a daughter, Mary, later Countess of Bute, on 19 January 1718 in Istanbul.
Neuberin 1717 floh sie mit ihrem Geliebten "Johann Neuber" (alias of "Heinrich Gottfried Koch", himself alias of etc), einem Gehilfen ihres Vaters. Sie heirateten am 5. Februar 1718 im Braunschweiger Dom. Zunächst schlossen sie sich der Spiegelberg’schen Schauspielertruppe in Weißenfels an, dann der Haack-Hoffmann’schen Truppe, die die Neuberin 1725 neu organisierte und mit der sie nach Leipzig ging
The following February (1718), George William died, with his father by his side.[35] Banned from the palace and shunned by his own father, for the next several years the Prince of Wales was identified with opposition to George I's policies,[36] which included measures designed to increase religious freedom in Great Britain and expand Hanover's German territories at the expense of Sweden.[37]

March 1718 Duc de Belle-Isle (22 September 1684 – 26 January 1761). He rose during the War of the Spanish Succession to the rank of brigadier, and in March 1718 to that of Maréchal de Camp.[2]

11 avril 1718 Voltaire released from Bastille
Le Naufrage au Port-à-l’Anglois, ou les Nouvelles débarquées est une pièce de théâtre de Jacques Autreau représentée pour la première fois le 25 avril 1718 à Paris au théâtre de l’Hôtel de Bourgogne(Jacques Autreau est un peintre, dramaturge et poète français. Il est connu pour avoir vendu à Jean-Philippe Rameau les droits sur le livret de Platée que celui-ci allait faire remanier avant de le mettre en musique)
30th April 1718, Ernest August, brother of King George I, created Duke of York, Albany and Ulster, Knight of The Garter,
JSB Visits Karlsbad with Prince Leopold , May-June.

the Margrave Christian Ludwig, before whom Bach had played in Berlin while negotiating for the new Cöthen harpsichord, between June 1718 and March 1719.
En 1718, pour le prix d’anatomie fondé par Montesquieu l’année précédente, aucun mémoire ne fut retenu sur « l’usage des glandes rénales »

Published in 1718 Une Iliade Travestie, sa quatrième œuvre publiée et la première signée « M. de Marivaux » en 1718.
30 juin 1718 John Law Il fut fait marquis d'Effiat, de Charleval et de Toucy4, comte de Tancarville le 30 juin 1718 et comte de Valençay. Il posséda les châteaux de Roissy-en-France, de Domfront, de Gonfreville-l'Orcher, de Guermantes et de Gerponville.
Francis Godolphin High Steward of Banbury, July 16, 1718
b. 10 Aug. 1718, Claude Amyand jr, 1st s. of Claudius Amyand, serjeant-surgeon to George II, by Marie, da. of Daniel Rabache.
Desaguliers. 1718 graduierte er in an der Oxforter Universität in Theologie und erhielt auch seinen Doktortitel
Hasse's career began in singing, when he joined the Hamburg Opera (his family, who were traditionally church musicians, came from near Hamburg) in 1718 as a tenor.
John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich, PC, FRS born 13 November 1718

Voltaire: Released from Bastille dedicated Oedipe to Duc d'Orlean, the Regent. The play is staged 18th November 1718 and first uses alias Voltaire. The regent grants him a pension of 1200 livres.

In 1718, Largillière painted Voltaire and his friend Titon. He also painted the artist Jacques-Antoine Arlaud in a red robe.(Voltaire’s portrait today in Ferney Museum bears the most likeness to John Montagu).
John Law however sat for Alexis Simon Belle (father- in- law of Charles Nicholas Cochin), who managed to miss his rather long nose, unlike Jean L’Anglois after Jean Hubert, line engraving and other unknown portraitists http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp02648/john-law )

Belle-Isle was present at the capture of Fuenterrabía in 1718 (??)and of San Sebastián (17th August 1719) during the War of the Quadruple Alliance (1718-1720.)[3]

Heinrich von Cocceji: avancierte 1718 zum Geheimen Rat
Samuel vo Cocceji Mit dem Regierungsantritte König Friedrich Wilhelms I.... im August 1718 nach Königsberg gesendet, um mit den verschleppten Processen aufzuräumen und ein beschleunigtes Verfahren einzuführen, bei welchem alle Processe in einem Jahre beendigt werden sollen. .
Keiser In 1718, with the Hamburg Opera defunct, he left Hamburg to seek other employment, going to Thuringia and then Stuttgart. From this period three manuscripts of trio sonatas for flute, violin and basso continuo survive.
(30 November 1718) À la mort de Charles XII, en 1718, Charles XII (also Carl), Stanislas et sa famille trouvent refuge auprès du duc Léopold Ier de Lorraine, beau-frère du régent, puis (mars 1719) après la médiation réussie du baron Stanislas-Constantin de Meszek, à Wissembourg, en Alsace, sur des terres du roi de France.
René-Louis de Voyer de Paulmy d'Argenson a épousé le 30 novembre 1718 Marie-Madeleine Françoise Méliand (née le 24 janvier 1704).
Antonio del Giudice, duc de Giovinazzo, prince de Cellamare, ...découvert..se vit obligé de quitter la France ...Le 9 décembre, le Régent faisait arrêter le prince de Cellamare qui fut aussitôt expulsé, ainsi que tous ceux qui, de près ou de loin, avaient participé à la conjuration : le duc du Maine, envoyé à la forteresse de Doullens, la duchesse exilée à Dijon, le duc de Richelieu mis à la Bastille, etc. Tous obtinrent leur pardon quelques mois après et personne ne fut envoyé à l’échafaud.
Dec 2nd 1718, Peter I writes to Wilhelm Henin in Petrovadodsk (Karelia) concerning the health of his physician Dr Robert Erskine The Reforms of Peter the Great. by John T. Alexander, Evgenii V. Anisimov (Yanni's comment: W.Henin was a mining engineer working at the time in Karelia and so was Emanuel Swedeborg, identified as an alias further down this thread, along with Erskine as well. )
Upon the death of Charles XII, Ulrika Eleonora, queen regnant of Sweden from 5 December 1718 ennobled Swedenborg and his siblings.

1719
Pierre Langlois de La Fortelle, (1657-1719), scion of the senior line, purchased the general receivership for the province of Champagne and a royal secretaryship in 1695. He sold his finance office for first a judgeship (1698) for a presidency in the Chambre de Comptes where he served until his death in 1719. His son Philippe Langlois de La Pommeuse, general receivership of Montauban and a royal secreteryatship in 1702, the scion of the cadet line, he had two sons , Louis-Charles judge of the Chatelet about 1730-1734 , the younger son, Auguste Langlois, also, from 1734-1736 and then aquired a judgeship at the Parliament in Paris. For both sons the Chatelet was a “lieu de passage” between financial officialdom to supreme Themistocracy . (The senior line of Pier.de Langlois, only implied, not further described). From "Law, Magistracy, and Crime in Old Regime Paris, 1735-1789: Volume 1, The ..." By Richard Mowery Andrews p.109 first puhlished 1994, Cambridge
Thomas Payne or Tom,born bookseller/printer (1719-1799), address: 1) next the Mew's Gate, near St Martin's Church in Cheapside 2) near the South Sea House, Bishopsgate Street? (Were these Paynes related, I wonder, to the second Grand Master, George Payne, succeeded by John Desaguliers in 1719, ie Handel/Bach/HM's doctor Claude senior Amyand?).
1 Fevr 1719. Nicolas, marquis de Maillebois, Ministre d'etat, controleur general des finances etc , mort le 1 Fevr 1719.(Vital for John Law's "plan", as such , the most important between other fatherinlaws of Voltaire's aliases-L.P.M.de Bethune in this case:Louis Pierre Maximilen de Bethune...premier gentil homme de la chambrede Monsigeur Le Duc de Berri, fils de France...devenu duc de Sully par la mort de Maximilien-Henri de Bethune (1729). Il a epouse en Janvier 1709 Luise Desmarais, fille de Nicolas, marquis de Maillebois, Ministre d'etat, controleur general des finances etc (Dictionnaire de la noblesse, contenant les généalogies, l'histoire & la ... by Francois Alexandre Aubert de La Chesnaye-Desbois,Badier).
In 1719, Handel was invited to become the Master of the Orchestra at the Royal Academy of Music, the first Italian opera company in London. Handel eagerly accepted. He produced several operas with the Royal Academy of Music that, while well liked, were not especially lucrative for the struggling academy. The Royal Academy of Music was a company founded in February 1719, during George Frideric Handel's residence at Cannons, by a group of aristocrats to secure themselves a constant supply of baroque opera or opera seria.It commissioned large numbers of new operas from three of the leading composers in Europe: Handel, Attilio Ariosti and Giovanni Bononcini.[
Le duc de Sully, married m.14 Feb 1719 Marie Jeanne Guyon, (+2nd Fevr 1729).
20 February 1719 French Michael Dietrich Michaelsen (Michaelsen married Handel's sister, Dorothea Sophia.) Handel explains his delay in visiting Michaelsen on pressing affairs, assures that he will soon visit, and makes enquiries as to his (Handel's) "Mama". ...Finally, Handel asks Michaelsen to present his compliments to Mr. Roth and to all their friends. (Magister Christian Roth was Handel's cousin.)
24 February 1719 French Johann Mattheson Handel writes that he is in accordance with Mattheson's views on Solmisation (a system of attributing a distinct syllable to each note in a musical scale), and with the lack of usefulness of the Greek musical modes in "modern music" On an unknown point, Handel states that he has not had enough time to give the topic the concentration it deserves, but promises to do so.
Jacques Louis Valon, marquis de Mimeure, mort le 3 mars 1719.
Markus Passion 1st performance: Hamburg ?, date unknown (possibly March 23, 1719 at Hamburg Cathedral))
E.W.Montagu Upon his return from Constantinople, he fell out with the Whig hierarchy, but remained a Member of Parliament for Huntingdon (1722–1734) and Peterborough (1734 until his death in 1761).He left a large fortune to his daughter Mary, having in 1755 cut off his son Edward with a small allowance. Mary married the future Prime Minister, John Stuart, 3rd Earl of Bute. Sir Edward had bought and rebuilt Wortley Hall, near Barnsley in South Yorkshire, which also passed to his daughter.
Lady Mary Churchill died 14 May 1719
Joseph Addison died 17 June 1719, Holland House, Kensington.
On 19 May 1719, Edward Henry Rich, 9th Baron Rich, 7th Earl of Warwick and 4th Earl of Holland,became a Gentleman of the Bedchamber to George I.(January 1698 – 16 August 1721) was an English peer and member of the House of Lords, styled Lord Rich until 1701. In 1718, he was appointed a Gentleman of the Bedchamber to George, Prince of Wales.
John Montagu He was made a Knight of the Garter in 1719,
Desaguliers gilt als einer der Väter der Großlogenfreimaurerei. Er war Mitglied der Freimaurerlogen Horne Tavern in Westminster und Lodge of Salomon's Temple in der Hemmings Row. 1719 wählte man ihn zum dritten Großmeister der ersten Großloge von England,
Juin 1719. Voltaire s'éprend de Mme la maréchale de Villars qui l'aguiche mais finit par se refuser à lui.
A la marquise de Mimeure.
On ne peut vaincre sa destinée, je comptais, Madame ne quitter la solitude délicieuse où je suis que pour aller à Sully; mais M. le duc et Mme la duchesse de Sully vont à Villars, et me voilà, malgré moi, dans la nécessité de les y aller trouver
14th Juin 1719 “le sieur Felix, premier chirurgien du Roi, recoit du Roi une gratification de 50000 ecus. La marquise de Muys est nomme sous gouvernent des Enfants de France”. Gazette de France, Vol 2 By Théophraste Renaudot
In 1719, the French government allowed Law to issue 50,000 new shares in the Mississippi Company at 500 livres with just 75 livres down and the rest due in nineteen additional monthly payments of 25 livres each. The share price rose to 1,000 livres before the second installment was even due, and ordinary citizens flocked to Paris to participate. Based on this success, Law offered to pay off the national debt of 1.5 billion livres by issuing an additional 300,000 shares at 500 livres paid in ten monthly installments.[1]
By mid-1719, the Mississippi Company had issued more than 600,000 shares and the par value of the company stood at 300 million livres. That summer, the share price skyrocketed from 1,000 to 5,000 livres and it continued to rise through year-end, ultimately reaching dizzying heights of 15,000 livres per share. The word millionaire was first used, and in January 1720 Law was appointed Controller General.[1]
Hasse In 1719 he obtained a singing post at the court of Brunswick
1719 JSBach Visits Karlsbad with Prince Leopold, May-June.
July 13th, 1719 From Thisleworth upon Thames, Paolo Antonio Rolli to Abbate Giuseppe Riva (secretary to the court of the King of Britain in Halle)
Heinrich Freiherr von Cocceji died 18. August 1719 in Frankfurt (Oder)
The king visited Hanover again from May to November 1719
Juillet 1719 V to la marquise de Mimeures : Je vais demain à Villars. Je regrette infiniment la campagne que je quitte, et ne crains guère celle où je vais. Vous vous moquez de ma présomption, Madame,et vous me croyez d'autant plus fort que je ne me crois raisonnable.
Aout 1719. Auriez-vous Madame assez de bonté pour moi pour être un peu fachée de ce que je suis si longtemps sans vous écrire? Je suis éloigné depuis six semaines de la désolée ville de Paris, je viens de quitter Le Bruel où j'ai passé quinze jours avec M. le duc de la Feuillade...Adieu Madame la Marquise. Ecrivez moi un petit mot et comptez que je suis toujours pénétré de respect et d'amitié pour vous.
in 1719 Law was granted permission to return to London, having received a pardon. It was in this context that the regent, Philippe d'Orléans, appointed John Law as Controller General of Finances in 1720 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contr%C3%B4leur_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral_des_finances4 janvier 1720-29 mai 1720 : John Law) effectively giving him control over external and internal commerce. The rapid ascension of this new global monopoly led to massive speculation and stock prices to balloon to over sixty times their original value. he was able to convince Philippe II – Regent for the child King Louis XV, to back his extraordinary scheme for issuing unsecured paper money. Under this system, anyone could become rich quickly. Law then founded his own Royal Bank and soon controlled all of France’s improving finances. Law was dismissed at the end of 1720 from his sinecure as Controller General[1] and his post as Chief Director of the Banque Générale.
Johann Georg Leopold Mozart born November 14, 1719
Seventh child, Leopold Augustus, born, 15 Nov. Eleonore Wilhelmine, sister of Prince Leopold, was godmother of Bach's son Leopold Augustus.
The king visited Hanover again from May to November 1719
Bach visited Berlin in 1719 to pay 130 Thalers for a harpsichord purchased by Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen. At some time during the visit, the composer met with Christian Ludwig and impressed him.

14 November 1720,English,The preface to Handel's edition of Suites de pieces pour le Clavecin. Handel's words in full are:
"I have been obliged to publish Some of the following Lessons, because Surrepticious and incorrect Copies of them had got Abroad. I have added several new ones to make the Work more usefull, which if it meets with a favourable Reception; I will Still proceed to publish more, reckoning it my duty, with my Small Talent, to serve a Nation from which I have receiv'd so Generous a Protection".
16 décembre 1720 Annibal est une tragédie en cinq actes et en vers de Marivaux représentée pour la première fois par les Comédiens ordinaires du roi le 16 décembre 1720 de la rue des Fossés Saint-Germain, Marivaux ayant résolu de faire sa tragédie, au moment où Voltaire venait d'obtenir un succès éclatant au théâtre avec son Œdipe, il choisit un sujet tout cornélien.
End of 1720,English, letter to King George I:Handel writes to the king to present his opera Radamisto. Handel flatters the monarch: "I have been still the more encouraged to this, by the particular Approbation You Majesty has been pleased to give to the Musick of this Drama". The letter was addressed "The King's Most Excellent Majesty", and the complimentary closing of the letter was "SIR, Your Majesty's Most Devoted, Most Obedient, And most Faithful Subject and Servant,".
Law initially moved to Brussels in impoverished circumstances. He spent the next few years gambling in Rome, Copenhagen and Venice but never regained his former prosperity. Law realised he would never return to France when Orléans died suddenly in 1723 and Law was granted permission to return to London, having received a pardon in 1719. He lived in London for four years and then moved to Venice where he contracted pneumonia and died a poor man in 1729.
People… had been attracted to Paris by the miraculous opportunity to get rich which the financial wizard John Law was then offering to noble and bjutcher's boy alike through his shares in the Mississippi Company. If this was the errand of our friends, they must have been among the fortunate who withdrew before it was too late; for it was in I723, four years after the greatest inflation of the Bubble, that the Chateau of Prangins was built above the Lake of Geneva not far from Lausanne-a chateau which was to be the place of refuge of Voltaire in 1754 and 1755 when he had found Prussia not to his taste. In I814 the castle was bought by Joseph Bonaparte after his unsuccessful adventure as King of Spain. Note by Yanni: Joseph B. also bought Villa d'Este at the same time, from a strange italian "general Pino something" who was previously retiring there, as re wiki story reads today. Were these purchases approved by Eugene Beauharnais's treasurer (Michel du Pierre Hennin, the gold coin collector), I wonder!

*JJR [23-10-1737] LETTRE VIIIMontpellier, 23 0ctobre 1737.MONSIEUR,J’eus l’honneur de vous écrire, il y a environ trois semaines; je vous priois par ma lettre de vouloir bien donner cours à celle que j’y avois incluse pour M. Charbonnel; (Note by Yanni: Jean Jacques R and Handel/John Law had the same banker. As such, and due to countless further indications, JJR's "hard biographic evidence" is good for the waste basket only! Yet "JJR's" british contacts cannot be missed, such as, among others, Brooke Boothby of Ashbourne Hall :..."in 1776, Boothby visited Rousseau in Paris, and was given the manuscript of the first part of Rousseau's three-part autobiographic Confessions. Boothby translated the manuscript and published it in Lichfield in 1780 after the author's death, and donated the document to the British Library in 1781" ). Acc to "The Parliamentary History of England, from the Earliest Period to the Year ...by William Cobbett,John Wright,Thomas Curson Hansard", Thomas Carbonnel or Charbonnel was the dutch banker "collecting" from John Law's South Sea bubble. (Investment banking's early blossom!)
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** In 1712, an outbreak of measles struck the French royal family, causing a number of significant deaths. First to die was the Dauphine, Marie Adélaïde of Savoy. Within a week of her death, her heartbroken husband, Louis the Dauphin, also died, leaving his sons Louis, Duke of Brittany, and Louis, Duke of Anjou, orphaned, and the elder son as heir to the throne. The sickness, however, had not yet run its course: both the Duke of Brittany (now Dauphin) and the Duke of Anjou became ill with measles. The Dauphin was ministered to by the royal doctors, who bled him in the belief that it would help him to recover; instead, it merely weakened the young boy, who swiftly died, leaving the Duke of Anjou as Dauphin. Deciding that she would not allow the same treatment to be applied to the Duke of Anjou, Madame de Ventadour locked herself up with three nursery maids and refused to allow the doctors near the boy. Louis survived his disease, becoming King of France upon the death of his great-grandfather three years later.

Readers are kindly requested to decide themselves where to put emphasis in bold for V's aliases.

yanni

03-18-2015, 06:37 AM

Next post, titled "Carolana", major participants Crozat, Voltaire, John Law, Valon marquis de Mimeure, Algarotti, Lord Baltimore etc, spanning 1700-1800+ is "under preparation".

yanni

03-20-2015, 04:46 AM

Introducing "Carolana" it's important to first concentrate on two of Voltaire's letters:Letter a) to mademoiselle Dunoyer of Jan 20th, 1714 and letter b) to la marquisse de Mimeures, dated fall, 1716.

Before the first letter...Voltaire 6th Dece 1713, at La Haye, writes his first fully dated letter to "Pimpette", followed by a volley to same 10th, 13th, 16th, 19th, 28th (says left Haye is in Rotterdam going to Paris for new year, hopes she has not sent him a letter to his fathers address). Queen Anne on 28th December 1713 grants him (Handel )a pension of £200 per annum. He buys,as Philippe Langlois, La Pommeuse (château et terre de) Seine-et-Marne, arr. et C/on/ Coulommiers état des titres § Vente de .. par le duc de Saint-Aignan, , secrétaire du Roi, au prix de 195.000 l. 29 décembre 1713
From Paris Jan the 2nd, 1714, writes to Pimpette he is hiding because his father disinherited him and wants to have him locked up. Next , 20th January, Paris (one before last) writes that if she truly loves him, she'll write to her uncle,l’Eveque d’Evreux, to intervene to the King so that she joins him in Paris and advises her to write to him (alias M. De Saint Fort) "chez M.Alain, procureur au Chatelet address:

Extract
...enfin vous m’aimez, et je ne serais pas retourné en France si je n’avais cru que vous me suivriez bientôt ; vous me l’avez promis, et vous, qui avez de si beaux sentiments, vous ne trahirez pas vos promesses. Vous n’avez qu’un moyen pour revenir : M. Le Normant, évêque d’Évreux, est, je crois, votre cousin ; écrivez-lui, et que la religion et l’amitié pour votre famille soient vos deux motifs auprès de lui ; insistez surtout sur l’article de la religion ; dites-lui que le roi souhaite la conversion des huguenots, et que, étant ministre du Seigneur, et votre parent, il doit, par toutes sortes de raisons, favoriser votre retour ; conjurez-le d’engager monsieur votre père dans un dessein si juste ; marquez-lui que vous voulez vous retirer dans une communauté, non comme religieuse pourtant, je n’ai garde de vous le conseiller : ne manquez pas à le nommer monseigneur. Vous pouvez adresser votre lettre à Monseigneur l’évêque d’Évreux, a Évreux, en Normandie ;

His next letter as per Œuvres de Voltaire, Tome 51, is June 1715 to Charlotte Magdeleine de Carvoisin d'Achy, marquisse de Mimeures where he writes, rather indifferently but with a particular familiarity "I have seen your little dog, Madame and Miss Aubert (J'ai vu, Madame, votre petite chienne, votre petit chat et Mlle Aubert).)

Over a year elapses to his next letter (fall 1716) during which:

As John Law he presented, May 1, 1716, a modified version of his centralized bank plan to the Banque Generale which approved a private bank that allowed investors to supply one-fourth of an investment in currency and the other parts in defunct government bonds. As Jean Baptiste de Felix, was married, May 14th, to Madeleine d’Agut, fille du Joseph Scipion, President a la cour des comptes, aides et finaces de Provence. As Jean Jacques Cassini became magistrat à la Chambre de justice en 1716. As Handel in June (having 500 pounds of South Sea Company stock) states that the dividend on the stock (at "next August") should be paid to Mr Thomas Carbonnel. As Destouches,July 7th, he creates Le Triple Mariage, comédie en 1 acte et en prose, Paris, Théâtre Français. As Montesquie developes suddenly financial problems and tries to share his risk with Bordeaux bankers but they were insolvent already.He stays propably at Sceaux for a while, has another mistress, Suzanne-Catherine Gravet de Corsembleu de Livry who abandons him because he tells her he is exciled there and then in the fall, 1716, from Chateau de Sully in Loire writes his second letter(b) to la marquisse de Mimeures,

It would be delicious for me to stay at Sully if I could also get out from here. M. Le duc de Sully is the most friendly of men and it is to him I am most obliged to. His chateau is in a very good situation. There is a beautiful forest whose trees are all trimmed by scoundrels or lovers amusing themselves writing their names on treetrunks and advises her that they have there "white nights" like they had at Sceaux. Warns her next that though she had written to the King (Luis XIV dead late 1715), she did not write a word to him about it. http://ruinescirculaires.free.fr/index.php?2006/04/26/226-xxxxxx

Both letters are related to Carolana and Voltaire&Co because

in letter a) “Evreux” links not only to his own religion but to

Louis Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne (2 August 1679 – 3 August 1753) was a French nobleman and member of the House of La Tour d'Auvergne. Given the title comte d'Évreux at birth, he later became a lieutenant of the King's armies. He is sometimes called Henri Louis. He had no children and thus no descendants.
On 3 August 1707 he was married to Marie Anne Crozat (1696–1729)*, the eldest daughter of Antoine Crozat, marquis du Châtel, founder of an immense fortune, who was the first private proprietary owner of French Louisiana from 1712 to 1717.

In letter b) The Duke de Sully Voltaire is referring to, must have been....

Either

Louis Pierre Maximilen de Bethune...premier gentil homme de la chambre de Monsigneur Le Duc de Berri, fils de France...devenu duc de Sully par la mort de Maximilien-Henri de Bethune. Il a epouse en Janvier 1709 Luise Desmarais, fille de Nicolas, marquis de Maillebois, Ministre d'etat, controleur general des finances etc , mort le 1 Fevr 1719.

Or
Maximilien Pierre François Nicolas de Béthune,Birthdate:1664Death: Died December 24, 1712

Or the above's brother
Maximilien Henri de Béthune Birthdate:1669 Death: Died February 5, 1729

each naming the other brother as Duc de Sully acc to http://www.geni.com/people/Maximilien-Nicolas-de-B%C3%A9thune-duc-de-Sully/6000000021226296477

Or , finally,

Louis-Pierre-Maximilien de Béthunes né en 1685 et mort en 1761, a grand son of the great Sully...and a great art collector(and not only, I add) :

On peut se faire une idée assez précise de ce cabinet grâce au catalogue de la vente après décès dressé par les soins de Helle et de Rémy. La collection est dispersée en 792 lots dont environ 600 sont constitués de curiosités proprement dites : ces articles sont exposés "en l’Hôtel de Feu Monsieur le Duc de Sully, rue St. Dominique, Fauxbourg St. Germain à côté de M. l’Ambassadeur d’Espagne", là où l'on doit procéder à la vente, et les auteurs précisent que leur catalogue n'a pu tenir compte d'autres objets qu'ils n'ont pu voir, car "ils sont encore à Villebon".http://curiositas.org/cabinet/curios296**

*Marie Anne's uncle was Pierre Crozat, a well known art collector. Marie Anne bought a small dowry of 15,000 Livres, was aged twelve, while Louis Henri was thirty two.
Louis Henri was responsible for the construction of the 339Hôtel d'Évreux in Paris at No. 19.Place Vendome
The plot was sold in 1700 to Pierre Louis Reich Pennautier, Treasurer of the states of Languedoc and Receiver General of the clergy of France. August 5, 1706, it ceded the land and its load to his cashier, Antoine Crozat, who bore the following year the parcel to 3,800 m2 and built the hotel by Pierre Bullet to house her daughter, then aged twelve, and her husband, Henry-Louis de La Tour d'Auvergne, Count of Evreux.
In 1738 the hotel passed to Louis Antoine Crozat, who gave it in 1752 to his second daughter, married to Marshal de Broglie

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Louis_Reich_de_Pennautier
Pierre Louis Reich de Pennautier, né en 1614, mort à Montpellier le 2 août 1711 fut un noble financier français. Un acteur central de l'affaire des poisons

**His collection including Egyptian antiques and parts of an Egyptian Mummy, presented to him in 1714:

Dans la seconde Piece, on y remarque sur les Tables et la Cheminée, des Gradins qui portent quantité de Figures de Bronze antiques, parmi lesquels on distingue plusieurs Divinités Egyptiennes et Gauloises, avec un vase à anses, Egyptien et chargé d’Hieroglyphes qui servoit à mettre l’eau lustrale. Les Pierres précieuses, les Agathes, les Jaspes rares, et les Pierres gravées, sont renfermées dans un grand Bureau ; et les Oiseaux, les Poissons, les parties d’Animaux, les cailloux d’Egypte se voient vis-à-vis, dans un beau Cabinet de la Chine, surmonté de Gradins ornés de Vases de Cristal de Roche, d’Albâtres Oriental (sic), d’Ambre et de Pierre antique. On trouve dans le troisieme Appartement, deux Coquillers de quarante-huit Tiroirs, remplis de tout ce qu’on peut desirer en ce genre. Une Lanterne trouvée dans un Ancien Sépulcre, est suspendue au milieu du Plafond . Dans la quatrieme Piece, on trouve une belle Collection de Médailles Consulaires et Impériales, et Or et Argent, avec une suite de Cachets, de Sceaux antiques et Gaulois, et une autre très nombreuses (sic) de Jettons François et Etrangers. »
Des Armes anciennes de différens Pays, des Habillemens de Sauvages, Indiens et Chinois, et des Monnoies dont Monsieur Dargenville n’a pas fait mention, méritent beaucoup de considération : on y remarque nombre de Pieces rares qui ne se trouvent (à ce que l’on croit) que dans ce Cabinet.
Mentionnons une très courte rubrique « Anatomie » qui termine la liste des curiosités naturelles, juste avant les livres de la bibliothèque : « Plusieurs Membres d’une Momie venue en droiture d’Egypte, à Monsieur le Duc de Sully en 1714″ (lot 652)et « L’Ybis, Oiseau d’Egypte, très bien conservé sous des bandelettes ».

yanni

03-22-2015, 07:36 AM

Apart from other conclusions already reached on young Voltaire’s character (with regard to his treatment of other people, females in particular), the following extracts, on the Compagnie des Indes scandal, may further enlighten the reader.

(New Data from http://www.cosmovisions.com/ChronoFrance-Regence.htm and http://www.francoisjacob.ch/pdf/Une%20visite%20peu%20ordinaire.pdf already in previous timelines)

Voltaire on the Regent:

Of the race of Henry IV, wrote Voltaire, the regent was the one who resembled him the most," not only physically, but the value, extent and accuracy of his intelligence, sense of progress, much goodness, this gaiety of spirit of which Ninon de l'Enclos said it was a mark of strength, the charge that he put into everything and had the charm to refuse, and also by his love of pleasure which ruined him prematurely in night parties, with various mistresses (the Parabere the Phalari) and her daughter, the cheeky and charming Duchess de Berry.

....the regent first tried to govern with councils, composed of nobles and members of clergy, instead of Secretaries of State, "these hammers that had made powder of nobility "," these vizirs- ". It had been the idea of Fenelon*, the Duke of Beauvilliers**.

Voltaire, as market-maker, on the state of the nation with regard to "the market", at the time:
"The bulk of the nation, says Voltaire, was in ignorance so deep that there was hardly any minister or judge who knew what a company's share was , bonuses, foreign exchange, a dividend.

As John Law (a physician's viewpoint): Those who want to raise money and keep it are as parts or ends of the human body, which would stop the blood passage nourishing them; soon they would destroy the principle of life in the heart and other body parts.

Voltaire on John Law, his System (Described in his « Considérations sur le numéraire et le commerce, 1705), La Compagnie des Indes and his only error:

"If Law had stuck to his System, he would be considered one of the benefactors of our country and as the creator of a superb credit institution
« Si Law s'en était tenu à cet établissement, il serait considéré comme un des bienfaiteurs de notre pays et comme le créateur d'un superbe établissement de crédit. »

Finally, Voltaire/Dr Astruc’s terminal diagnosis :

It was like an emetic to patients; we took a lot, and we had seizures « C'était l'émétique à des malades; nous en prîmes trop, et nous eûmes des convulsions.-»

After the bubble burst, France was forced into a treaty with Britain because of the state of its economy.

*By Fenelon: A people is no less a member of the human race, which is society as a whole, than a family is a member of a particular nation. Each individual owes incomparably more to the human race, which is the great fatherland, than to the particular country in which he was born. As a family is to the nation, so is the nation to the universal commonweal; wherefore it is infinitely more harmful for nation to wrong nation, than for family to wrong family. To abandon the sentiment of humanity is not merely to renounce civilization and to relapse into barbarism, it is to share in the blindness of the most brutish brigands and savages; it is to be a man no longer, but a cannibal.
**Draw conclusions on V's relations to Mme de Beauvilliers and her husband mentioned in timelines above.

yanni

03-23-2015, 02:41 AM

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yanni

03-24-2015, 02:27 AM

20 February 1719 Handel explains his delay in visiting Michaelsen on pressing affairs, assures that he will soon visit, and makes enquiries as to his (Handel's) "Mama"*. ...Finally, Handel asks Michaelsen to present his compliments to Mr. Roth** and to all their friends. (Magister Christian Roth was Handel's cousin.)

June 17, 1721 Age 23 Marriage of Anna Magdalena, Age 23, to Johann Wilhelm Gros

Anna Magdalena Gros Birthdate: May 25, 1698 Birthplace: Rennerod, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany Death: Died December 15, 1758 in Rennerod, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany Immediate Family: Daughter of Johann Christian Roth and Eva Elisabetha Roth
Wife of Johann Wilhelm Gros http://www.geni.com/people/Johann-Wilhelm-Gros/6000000027359322571 Died May 20, 1744 in Rennerod, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany

(Johan Sebastian Bach marries 2nd wife, Anna Magdalena Wilcke. on December 3, 1721, 17 months after the death of his first wife, Maria Barbara.)

This inconsistency of marriage date is explained via Hendel's Floridante, First Performance 1721-12-9 / 3 Acts, Date of Composition 1721-11-28 (end date) London, King's Theatre: Floridante : Francesco Bernardi, called "Senesino" (alto-castrato) Oronte : Giuseppe Maria Boschi (bass) Timante : Benedetto Baldassari, called "Benedetti" (soprano-castrato) Rossane : Maddalena Salvai (soprano) Elmira : Anastasia Robinson (contralto) Coralbo: ? (bass) Librettist By Paolo Antonio Rolli (1687-1765), after Francesco Silvani, 1706. Language Italian Piece Style Baroque.

Aliases discovered so far: 46(plus 2 "tentative")
Marriages so far: 16 or 17 , ie Claudius Amyand Marriage to Mary R(L)abache Nov 6th, 1717 is propably same as JSBach's marriage to Maria-Barbara Bach, October 17. 1707

*Handel referring to "Mama" in his letter to Michaelsen (in Halle), is certainly meaning his wife there , ie wife of his alias "Johan Christian Hendel", publisher. A google research on his publications leads to further conclusions on his intent and also to Goethe's proktophantasmist publisher, Frederic de Nicolay.

Dissertation des aus Erfurt stammenden Nicolaus Christoph Bach über ärztliche Kunstfehler.
Keywords: Chirurgie / Thüringen / Medizin Pharmazie / Medicine Pharmacy
Johann Christian Hendel, Begründer des heute in so hoher Blüte stehenden Hallenser Hauses.
http://www.zeno.org/Schmidt-1902/A/Hendel,+Otto

**Magister Roth hasalready been marked as another of Handel's aliases in relevant timeline, his marriage of August 23, 1712, coinciding with Ed.Mor.Montagu's marriage (after elopment) on same day. Next came Messrs "Erskine" (One of Czar Peter's doctors) and "Emanuel Swedeborg"

B 142 1753 - 1756 Dr. Nicolaus Christoph Bach, Hofmedikus und Stadt- und Landchirurg in Lobenstein wider Christoph Friedrich Heumann, Hof- und Stadtapotheker in Lobenstein, wegen angemaßter medizinischer Praxis, Regierung Gera

Some sources for publisher Hendel:
http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/ADB:Hendel,_Johann_Christian
http://hallesche-stoerung.de/druckereien-in-der-goldenen-rose
http://www.idref.fr/079976891#060

yanni

03-30-2015, 11:47 AM

Marivaux The early 1720s were very important for Marivaux; he wrote a comedy (now mostly lost) called L'Amour et la vérité, another comedy, Arlequin poli par l'amour, and an unsuccessful tragedy, Annibal (printed 1737). In about 1721, he married a Mlle Martin, but she died shortly thereafter. Meanwhile, he lost all of his inheritance money when he invested it in the Mississippi scheme. His pen now became almost his sole resource.

In 1720, Walpole encouraged the king and his son to reconcile, for the sake of public unity, which they did half-heartedly

February 17 – Treaty of The Hague signed between Spain, Britain, France, Austria and the Dutch Republic, ending the War of the Quadruple Alliance.[1]

L'Amour et la Vérité est une comédie en trois actes et en prose de Marivaux représentée pour la première fois le dimanche 3 mars 1720 par les Comédiens

April – "South Sea Bubble" in England: A scheme for the South Sea Company to take over most of the unconsolidated national debt of Britain massively inflated share prices.
The Treaty of Frederiksborg was a treaty signed at Frederiksborg Palace, Zealand, on 3 July 1720[1] (14 July 1720 according to the Gregorian calendar), ending the Great Northern War between Sweden and Denmark-Norway.
Johann Sebastian was accompanying his employer, the Duke of Köthen, as the duke went to take the waters at the Carlsbad spa (the Duke brought his musicians along to provide him with entertainment). When he left, Maria Barbara was in normal health; when he returned two months later, he learned that she had died and been buried on 7 July. (acc to CPE Bach)

July 12 – The Lords Justice in Great Britain attempt to curb some of the excesses of the stock markets during the "South Sea Bubble". They dissolve a number of petitions for patents and charters, and abolish more than 80 joint-stock companies of dubious merit, but this has little effect on the creation of "Bubbles", ephemeral joint-stock companies created during the hysteria of the times.[2] ·
17 July 1720 Panic in Paris Bourse (at its infancy). Several "investors" squeezed to death by others.
September – "South Sea Bubble": The English stock market crashes with dropping prices for stock in the South Sea Company.
26 September 1720 George Amyand, son of Claudius Amyand, Surgeon-in-Ordinary to King George II by his wife Mary Rabache, was baptised at the fashionable St James's Church, Piccadilly.
Marivaux's Arlequin poli par l'amour first performed 17 October 1720 by the Comédie Italienne.
On 8th Nove (28 October O.S) Lord Carteret, (later Granville) arrived in Hamburg from his embassy in Sweden and listened with delight Matheson singing and playing the piano. (George Frideric Handel: Volume 1, 1609–1725: Collected Documents)
Bach visits Hamburg, Nov., and is offered post as organist at the Jakobikirche, which he declines.
14 November 1720 English The preface to Handel's edition of Suites de pieces pour le Clavecin. Handel's words in full are: "I have been obliged to publish Some of the following Lessons, because Surrepticious and incorrect Copies of them had got Abroad.... I will Still proceed to publish more, reckoning it my duty, with my Small Talent, to serve a Nation from which I have receiv'd so Generous a Protection".
Annibal est une tragédie en cinq actes et en vers de Marivaux représentée pour la première fois par les Comédiens ordinaires du roi le 16 décembre 1720 de la rue des Fossés Saint-Germain,
End of 1720 English letter to King George I Handel writes to the king to present his opera Radamisto. Handel flatters the monarch: "I have been still the more encouraged to this, by the particular Approbation You Majesty has been pleased to give to the Musick of this Drama". The letter was addressed "The King's Most Excellent Majesty", and the complimentary closing of the letter was "SIR, Your Majesty's Most Devoted, Most Obedient, And most Faithful Subject and Servant,".

First Performance 1720-12-28, London, King's Theatre: Radamisto

In 1721, the economic disaster of the South Sea Bubble allowed Walpole to rise to the pinnacle of government.Walpole and his Whig Party were dominant in politics, as the king feared that the Tories would not support the succession laid down in the Act of Settlement. The power of the Whigs was so great that the Tories would not come to hold power for another half-century.
March 1721: Conceived, propably in Courland, Baron de Bagge-Bach", ie Charles-Ernest Ennal http://www.torrentdownloads.net/torrent/18725 who, according to http://kosiv.info/ed/grove/Entries/S01761.htm, was born in Fockenhof, Kurland , 14 Feb 1722
23 March : Handel completes composition of Act 3 of Muzio Scevola (HWV 13).
March 24 – Johann Sebastian Bach's Brandenburg concertos completed and dedicated to Christian Ludwig of Brandenburg-Schwedt.
John Montagu was proposed Gand Master on Lady Day March 25 1721.Was very wealthy.Dowry given his younger daughter Mary on her marriage to Lord Brudenel, son of Earl of Cardigan, was eported to be 25000pounds. He personaly finaced the colinisation of StLucia and St Vincent in West Indies folowing the grant of these teritories to the Crown in Jan 1722. Plan aborted due to french resistance costs him 40000pounds The Foundations of Modern Freemasonry: The Grand Architects : Political ...by Ric Berman
2 April : Advertisements appear in both the Daily Courant and Daily Post: At the King's Theatre in the Hay-Market, Saturday next, being the 11th Day of April, will be perform'd a new opera call'd MUTIUS SCAEVOLA. Tickets will be deliver'd on Friday, at Mr. White's Chocolate House in St. James Street.
April 4 – Robert Walpole becomes the first Prime Minister of Great Britain (although this is more a term of disparagement at this time).[4]
11 April : The première of Muzio Scevola (HWV 13) is interrupted by the announcement of the birth of the Duke of Cumberland to the royal family.
15 April : Muzio Scevola (HWV 13) premires. [KT]
April 1721 daughter of Lady Mary Montagu inoculated.
Maj.-Gen. Sir William Boothby, 4th Bt. was baptised on 4 May 1721 at St. Mary's Church, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.([S15] George Edward Cokayne, editor, The Complete Baronetage, 5 volumes.)
28th May 1721. Suzanne de Caux first publishes Montesquie’s « Lettres Persanes ». (March 1718 she defends the role of historic periodicals in Amsterdam). acc to Voltaire:Montesquie published the Persian Letters, which was an instant success and made Montesquieu a literary celebrity. He began to spend more time in Paris, where he frequented salons (at la marquise de Lambert)) and acted on behalf of the Parlement and the Academy of Bordeaux. “Il se passionne pour les sciences et mène des expériences scientifiques (anatomie, botanique, physique, . etc
End of May 1721 Swedeborg and Hesselius set off for Holland
conceived late May 1721 Baron de Bagge-Bach", born in Fockenhof, Kurland , 14 Feb 1722
Falconet M. Catalogue de sa Bibliothèque, Tome 1, including his 1721 dissertation on la petite virole. Montpelier 1721.ll est nommé surintendant des eaux minérales du Languedoc en 1721. Modern music theory finds definition in Jean-Philippe Rameau's Traité de l'harmonie réduite à ses principes naturels ("Treatise on Harmony"), published in Paris.
On 15 June 1721 Bach was the 65th communicant at St Agnus; one ‘Mar. Magd. Wilken’ was the 14th.
Anna Magdalena Bach. Her portrait, which was painted by the artist Cristofori and still extant in 1790, has been lost, as has the family correspondence. She was the first women ever employed by the court of Köthen as Princely Singer in the summer of 1721
June 17, 1721 Age 23 Marriage of Anna Magdalena to Johann Wilhelm Gros
(24th June) 1721 Montagu, er wurde am Johannistag 1721 in sein Amt eingesetzt. Er war ein Mann von regen geistigen Interessen, wofür auch seine Mitgliedschaft bei der Royal Society spricht. etc
27. June 1721, Samuel von Cocceji (eversince August 1718, allegedly in Königsberg reforming judicial processes of Prussia for King Friedrich Wilhelms I): The Publicationspatent for his "Verbesserte Landrecht des Königreichs Preußen“ is issued .
Keiser During the summer of 1721, he returned to Hamburg, but only a few weeks later made a rapid exit to Copenhagen with a Hamburg opera troop, probably because of the growing influence of Georg Philipp Telemann, engaged by the city magistrate in Keiser's absence. Between 1721 and 1727, Keiser traveled back and forth between Hamburg and Copenhagen, receiving the title of Master of the Danish Royal Chapel
5 July : A new cantata, probably Crudel tiranno amor (HWV 97), is sung by Margherita Durastanti (soprano) at her benefit concert. [KT]
1 August: Johann Adolf Hasse's first opera, Antioco, opens in Brunswick, Germany.Hasse himself sang in the production.
JSBach About the beginning of August 1721 he gave a performance of some unspecified kind for Count Heinrich XI Reuss of Schleiz; this may have been arranged by J.S. Koch, the Kantor there, who had held a post at Mühlhausen, though possibly not in Bach’s time there. Heinrich XI, Prince Reuss of Greiz (Heinrich XI Fürst Reuß zu Greiz; born 18 March 1722) maybe another princely son!!

16 August 1721Edward Henry Rich, 9th Baron Rich, 7th Earl of Warwick and 4th Earl of Holland, died and was succeeded by his cousin Edward Rich.[1] (page does not exist-Wiki)
10 September [O.S. 30 August] 1721 The Treaty of Nystad was concluded between the Tsardom of Russia and the Swedish Empire on in the then Swedish town of Nystad
17 September 1721: Georg Philipp Telemann installed as cantor in Hamburg.
Anna Magdalena makes no formal appearance until 25 September, when Bach and she were the first two among the five godparents of a child called Hahn. This baptism is recorded in three registers. In two of them Anna is described as ‘court singer’, in the third, simply as 'chamber Musician’ ('Musicantin'). In September Anna was again a godmother, to a child called Palmarius; again the registers differ in describing her occupation.
Am 29. September 1721 erteilte der erste englische Großmeister Herzog John von Montagu (* 1690; † 1749) dem schottisch-presbyterianischen Prediger James Anderson (1678–1739) den Auftrag, aus alten gotischen Konstitutionen eine neue Konstitution für die Großloge zu verfassen. See http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Matthew_Cooke_Manuscript
George II was crowned at Westminster Abbey on 11/22 October 1727.[47] The composer George Frideric Handel was commissioned to write four new anthems for the coronation, including Zadok the Priest.[50]
Telemann He held important positions in Leipzig, Sorau, Eisenach, and Frankfurt before settling in Hamburg in 1721 invited by the city to become Kantor of the Johanneum and Director Musices (musical director) of the city's five main churches.
1 November : Opera season opens.
First Performance 1721-12-9 Floridante Handel, George Frideric
A "JCBach" was working for Chandos & Handel in 1721.
JS Bach marries 2nd wife, Anna Magdalena Wilcke. on December 3, 1721, 17 months after the death of his first wife, Maria Barbara Bach. .
Conceived Dec 1721 :Marc René de Voyer de Paulmy d’Argenson, marquis de Voyer, comte de Paulmy, vicomte de La Guerche, baron des Ormes, puis comte d'Argenson )
Xmas 1721 Swedenborg and Hesselius celebrate xmas in Aachen and Liege
1722
January 2nd 1722, Voltaire and his brother Armand sign the register for the death of their father in Paris. Saint Barthelemy. http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Le_Fr%C3%A8re_de_Voltaire_1685-1745)
Baron de Bagge-Bach", born in Fockenhof, Kurland , 14 Feb 1722 (conc late Mai 1721)
.
Matheson was a diplomat,composed seven or eight operas, wrote a music lexicon or two, left Hamburg at the same time as Handel (1722) after their alleged duel.
Jcassini , conseiller d'État en 1722. En 1722, il publie les résultats des mesures de la méridienne.
Pietro Nardini, né à Livourne le 12 avril 1722
Johann Jacob Bach died 16 April 1722
19th April 1722 Claudius Amyand carried out the inoculation of Princess Caroline's children. Lady Mary Wortley Montagu had interested Caroline, Princess of Wales, in the procedure: she arranged the famous experiment on prisoners in Newgate Gaol before permitting the treatment for her children
La Surprise de l'amour is a three-act romantic comedy by French playwright Marivaux. Its title is usually translated into English as The Surprise of Love. La Surprise de l'amour was first performed 3 May 1722 by the Comédie Italienne at the Hotel de Bourgogne in Paris. In this play, a man and a woman who've sworn off love are tricked by their servants into falling in love with each other.
Anna Magdalena Her name does not appear in court accounts until summer 1722, when she is referred to as the Kapellmeister’s wife; her salary (half Bach’s) is noted as paid for May and June 1722
Strafford (a representative of Great Britain at the Congress of Utrecht, in 1715 impeached for his share in concluding this treaty, a leading conspirator in the "Atterbury Plot" of 1720–1722 to restore the Stuarts to the throne, a party to the Cornbury Plot of 1731–1735.)..The Pretender appointed him one of his 'Lords Regent' in England and commander of the Jacobite forces north of the Humber.[2] For his role in furthering the Jacobite cause, he was created "Duke of Strafford" in the Jacobite Peerage of England on 5 June 1722 by the Old Pretender.[3] Died 16 June 1722 John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough, Prince of Mindelheim, Prince of Mellenburg. Henrietta Churchill, his eldest daughter, wife of Francis Godolphin, succeeded as Duchess of MARLBOROUGH, same date. She acquired much notoriety by her attachment to William Congreve, the dramatist.
John Montagu. On 22 June 1722, George I appointed him governor of the islands of Saint Lucia and Saint Vincent in the West Indies.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kochi also known as Cochin
In August 1722, the miseries the Bastille firmly behind him, Voltaire embarked for Holland, with a view to finding a Dutch publisher for the Henriade. He did not travel alone. With him was the delicious Marie-Marguerite de Rupelmonde, a pretty, pleasure-loving young widow in her early thirties, who conveniently had business of her husband's to settle in Holland.Madame Rupelmonde's religious scruples - only increased by Voltaire's unseemly ridicule of a Mass they attended in Brussels prompted her companion to pen the daringly deistic Epître à Uranie. in which the vengeful Christian god is abandoned in favour of a more comforting and forgiving "Father". Rupelmonde (Marie-Marguerite de Tourzel d’Alègre, marquise de) (1688-1752), dame du palais de la reine (1725-1741) http://www.chateauversailles-recherche-ressources.fr/jlbweb/jlbWeb?html=notdictionnaire&ref=114
7 octobre 1722 Voltaire in Halle (62. — À MADAME LA PRÉSIDENTE DE BERNIÈRES[1].)
“Neuf ans plus tard il revient dans la capitale pour préparer une édition de La Henriade qui avortera. Cette fois, ses impressions se précisent. La lettre qu'il adresse le 7 octobre 1722 à madame de Bernières est un magnifique éloge des Provinces-Unies, pays où tout le monde travaille, où tout le monde, modeste dans sa mise, l'est aussi dans ses habitudes et ses pensées. C'est le pays de la tolérance et dup. ‘Je m'accoutume tout à fait à me passer de Paris’ conclut-il.” Un de ses premiers camarades de Louis-le-Grand, Pierre-Robert Le Cornier de Cideville, conseiller au Parlement de Rouen, lui fit faire la connaissance de judisieurs Normands beaux esprits, amateurs de lettres, d'arts et déjà de sciences.... ...c'était surtout sa femme, Marguerite-Madeleine Du Moustier, dont les aventures galantes sont difficiles à compter, et qui, le cadavre de son mari à peine refroidi, se maria en nouvelles et justes nopces à un garde du corps nommé Prud'homme. Il faudrait lire dans les Mémoires de Collé ses vicissitudes inénarrables et désopilantes. Voltaire ne lui écrivit pas moins de quarante lettres. Dans la deuxième, écrite de la Haye, en Hollande, pays où, disait-il, il n'y avait que des canaux, des canards, et de la canaille, il lui réitère, en octobre 1722, une promesse verbale de venir la trouver, le mois suivant, à son château de la Rivière-Bourdet. Il ne put tenir son engagement qu'au printemps de l'année 1723;
Rameau: In 1722, he returned to Paris for good, and here he published his most important work of music theory, Traité de l'harmonie (Treatise on Harmony). This soon won him a great reputation, and...etc
Vallotti In 1722 he became an organist at St. Antonio in Padua, and would eventually become maestro there in 1730, succeeding maestro Calegari, and would hold that position for the next fifty years
Antonio Cocchi:He followed to London as his personal physician, 1722 et 1726, Lord Théophile Hastings, where he met Isaac Newton with who he corresponded later on
http://www.vegetarisme.fr/Articles/i...?p=Cocchi.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophilus_Hastings,_9th_Earl_of_Huntingdon
JS Bach enters candidature for cantorate at Leipzig, Dec.1722 http://www.jsbach.org/timeline.html
Anna Magdalena Bach she took part in the performance of J.S. Bach’s “Serenada” on 10 December 1722 in the Palace of Köthen for the birthday of Prince Leopold, "Durchlauchster Leopold” BWV 173a.

Next two posts titled "Rich-Rich-Rich in Holland Park" and " ….then we take Berlin"

comment: no end in sight for this thread

(Carolana’s story must wait indefinitely).

yanni

04-02-2015, 03:27 AM

On second thoughts "Fox hunting in Holland Park" maybe a better title

Holding precious memories from a two year residence around-Holland-Park (as a student, some decades ago) I was intriqued discovering, in prev timelines, the 4th Earl of Holland, E.H.Rich, and therefor decided to concentrate on him and Holland Park’s history. Hence the following timeline that will be commented upon later-on:.

Born:28 September 1705, Henry Fox, 1st Baron Holland, of Foxley,
Charlotte, daughter of Sir Thomas Myddleton, of Chirk Castle, Denbighshire, married, in 1716, the Right Honourable Joseph Addison, thus, "linking with the associations of Kensington the memory of that illustrious man, has invested with a classic halo the groves and shades of Holland House."
Marlborough's health was fading, and on 28 May 1716 (O.S.), shortly after the death of his daughter Anne, Countess of Sunderland, he suffered a paralytic stroke at Holywell House.
On 19 May 1719, Edward Henry Rich, 9th Baron Rich, 7th Earl of Warwick and 4th Earl of Holland,became a Gentleman of the Bedchamber to George I.
Joseph Addison died 17 June 1719, Holland House, Kensington.
John Montagu He was made a Knight of the Garter in 1719, http://www.montaguemillennium.com/familyresearch/h_1749_john.htm
He also lived in the miniature Versailles in Boughton after making little alteration to the house but made sweeping changes to the landscape and gardens after his return from campaign in Europe with his father-in-law, John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough., ie after 1718-9.
William Edwardes, 1st Baron Kensington. On the death of his cousin Edward Henry Rich, 7th Earl of Warwick, in 1721, he inherited through his mother the estates of the Rich family (including Holland House)
Edward Henry Rich dies 16th August 1721, succeeded by his cousin Edward_Rich,_8th_Earl_of_ Warwick Francis thru his marriage to Lady Elizabeth Rich, only daughter and heiress of Robert Rich, 5th Earl of Warwick and 2nd Earl of Holland,inherited the substantial Rich estates (including Holland House in London).
However http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Rich,_8th_Earl_of_Warwick: "page does not exist" for him and…
One has to spend about a hour to next conclude that heir to his title and property, Holland House at least, then went to Georgiana Carolina Fox, 1st Baroness Holland, of Holland, conceived late june 1722, ie shortly before....
Died 16 June 1722 John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough, Prince of Mindelheim, Prince of Mellenburg. Henrietta Churchill, his eldest daughter, wife of Francis Godolphin, succeeded as Duchess of MARLBOROUGH, same date. She acquired much notoriety by her attachment to William Congreve, the dramatist.
John Montagu. On 22 June 1722, George I appointed him governor of the islands of Saint Lucia and Saint Vincent in the West Indies.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kochi also known as Cochin
In August 1722, the miseries the Bastille firmly behind him, Voltaire embarked for Holland, with a view to finding a Dutch publisher for the Henriade. He did not travel alone. With him was the delicious Marie-Marguerite de Rupelmonde, a pretty, pleasure-loving young widow in her early thirties,
7 octobre 1722 Voltaire in Brussels “Neuf ans plus tard il revient dans la capitale pour préparer une édition de La Henriade qui avortera. Cette fois, ses impressions se précisent. La lettre qu'il adresse le 7 octobre 1722 à madame de Bernières est un magnifique éloge des Provinces-Unies, pays où tout le monde travaille, où tout le monde, modeste dans sa mise, l'est aussi dans ses habitudes et ses pensées. C'est le pays de la tolérance et dup. ‘Je m'accoutume tout à fait à me passer de Paris’ conclut-il.”
Cogreve the dramatist ….was famous for his friendships with prominent actresses.. and Henrietta Godolphin, 2nd Duchess of Marlborough, daughter of the famous general, John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough, whom he had probably met by 1703 and had a daughter, Mary (1723–1764), believed to be his (but her exact birthday is missing: Mary Osborne, Duchess of Leeds (1723 – 3 August 1764))

Hervey was bisexual.[4] He was married to Mary Lepell, but he had an affair with Anne Vane, and possibly ones with Lady Mary Wortley Montagu and Princess Caroline. He lived with Stephen Fox often during the decade after he followed him to Italy in 1728

Congreve the dramatist died in Holland House Dec 1729*

Lord Hervey: Brief an, St. James’s, 4. November 1732[4]He wrote passionate love letters to Francesco Algarotti, whom he first met in 1736. He may have had a sexual affair with Prince Frederick before their friendship dissolved. He was in fact denounced as a sexually ambiguous figure in his time most notably by William Pulteney, then leader of the Opposition and as cited above, by Alexander Pope in his "Sporus" portrait: "Let Sporus tremble/ What that thing of silk...His wit all seesaw between that and this/Now high, now low, now master up, now miss/ And he himself one vile antithesis...". The affair with Count Algarotti is certain not conjecture. He was also attracted to Henry Fox before his affair with Stephen Fox.[5][6]

Henry Fox, In 1735 he entered Parliament as Member for Hindon in Wiltshire. He became a protégé and devoted supporter of Sir Robert Walpole, the long-standing Prime Minister, achieving unequalled and unenviable proficiency in the worst political arts of his master and model. He earned particular notice with a speech in parliament calling on Britain to support its European allies, principally Austria.[1]

Both Henry and his brother Stephen Fox were sentimentaly invlolved with Voltaire's Algarotti who in his turn ,had an affair with Lord Hervey as from 1736, and possibly with Prince Frederick of Prussia,

Henry Fox, 1st Baron Holland, was appointed Secretary at War and member of the Privy Council in 1746, at a time when Britain was engaged in the War of the Austrian Succession. Fox had begun living at the mansion in 1746, and in 1749 obtained a lease from Edwardes of the house and sixty-four acres of land for "99 years or three lives".[16]
John Montagu, 2nd Duke of Montagu, died 5 July 1749,
After John Montagu's death, the British national collections were kept in the family's house ( `Montagu House') in Bloomsbury. This house and the collections became the British Museum in 1759

Georgiana was created Baroness Holland of Holland in May 1762 while her husband, Henry Fox, 1st Baron Holland, of Foxley, was created Baron Holland of Foxley on 17 April 1763.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Fox,_1st_Baron_Holland.
He later purchased from Francis Edwardes (+Dec 1725) descendants property adjacent to Holland House.

By 1767, Fox was leasing all of Edwardes' estate north of the Hammersmith road (the modern Kensington High Street), and negotiated a purchase of the land for £17,000, and a further £2,500 paid to the sons of Edward Henry Edwardes, who would otherwise have inherited the estate.[e]

Fox died at Holland House in 1774 and thereafter it was inherited by his descendants

William, son of Francis Edwardes and Lady Elizabeth Rich was elevated to the Peerage of Ireland as Baron Kensington in 1776.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland_House:

At the time of its creation in 1605, the house presided over a 500 acres (200 ha; 0.78 sq mi) estate that stretched from Holland Park Avenue to the current site of Earl's Court tube station, and its southern extent almost reached the Fulham Road.[16] By the time it was purchased by Henry Fox, 1st Baron Holland, from William Edwardes in 1768, it had shrunk to two hundred acres.[16]
Fox had begun living at the mansion in 1746, and in 1749 obtained a lease from Edwardes of the house and sixty-four acres of land for "99 years or three lives".[16] By 1767, Fox was leasing all of Edwardes' estate north of the Hammersmith road.

Footnote

*Late 1729 timeline

Montesquieu voyage en Autriche, en Italie, en Allemagne et en Hollande du 20 mai 1728 au 17 octobre 1729. Ensuite il séjourne en Angleterre du 3 novembre 1729 au mois de mai de 1731
L'introduction d'esclaves déclenche l'inquiétude des Amérindiens avec lesquels commercent les trappeurs au Nord du Mississippi et une multiplication de conflits très violents, préludes au massacre du 28 novembre 1729, dit "massacre de Natchez",
First Performance 1729-12-2 in London, King's Theatre in the Haymarket [more...] Composer Handel, George Frideric Lotario Adelaide: Anna Maria Strada del Pò (soprano) Opus/Catalogue Number HWV 26 Movements/Sections 3 Acts Year/Date of Composition 1729-11-16 Lotario: Antonio Maria Bernacchi (alto-castrato) Berengario: Annibale Pio Fabri, called "Balino" (tenor) Matilde: Antonia Maria Merighi (contralto) Idelberto: Francesca Bertolli (contralto) Clodomiro: Johann Gottfried Riemschneider (bass) Librettist Giacomo Rossi, after Antonio Salvi, 1722/9 Language Italian
Ramsay and Montesquie Both were elected Fellows of the Royal Society in December 1729

yanni

04-02-2015, 11:40 AM

Wikipedia totaly avoids today the specific, as above, family details of Henry Fox (other than one marriage to "the much younger Lady Caroline Lennox, daughter of the Duke of Richmond, in 1744. She was later created Baroness Holland, of Holland in the County of Lincoln. thus legalising Fox's political heirs "The noted Whig politicians Charles James Fox and the 3rd Baron Holland were his son and grandson, respectively").
Furthermore, besides birth and death dates (to be disregarded), the only concrete date given is his resignation: "On 13 October 1756 Fox resigned, fatally weakening Newcastle, whose Ministry collapsed completely that November.[6]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Fox,_1st_Baron_Holland

To help us delete the title's question mark, here comes Immanuel Kant himself:A google search for Swedeborg and Comte de Saint Germain leads to I. KANT.Koenigsberg, le 10 août 1758, Lettre à Charlotte de Knobloch sur Swedenborg.:

It was in 1756, in late September, a Saturday, about four o'clock in the afternoon, as Mr. Swedenborg, returning from England, landed in Gothenburg. William Castel invited him home with a company of fifteen people. It was about six in the evening. Mr. Swedenborg, who had gone out, returned to the living room, pale and cloudy. He said that at that moment a violent fire had broken out in Stockholm, in the south part of town, and the fire made great havoc. He was very agitated and often went out ... He said the house of one of his friends he named (St. Germain) was already reduced to ashes, and that his own was very exposed. (Gothenburg is more than 50 miles from Stockholm).

-Until a 1756 timeline is published in this thread, here is another http://www.kronobase.org/chronologie-annee-1756.html to check what Voltaire and some of his aliases were doing in the year, adding yourselfs whatever data of "Henry Fox vs admiral Byng" case you can find.
-Anyhow the Stockholm fire Kant is talking about, covering in fact "Swedenborg/Voltaire/Henry Fox etc" and propably himself as well , happened in the summer of 1751, "destroying many houses in one of the finest streets of the metropolis" with only eight houses escaping, including the "french ambassador's and mine". (Baron Scheffer to Mme Deffand, Compiegne, 18th July (1751)).

yanni

04-04-2015, 11:59 AM

....which sounds already outdated thanks to "Henry Fox" and his sons, their life stories, so decisive for 18th history, upturning not just its tables but ours as well, creating more problems than others solved, their life details entry into our "overall timeline" leading to continuous revisions of partial timelines already published, bringing to surface even more aliases* needing a repeat of same procedure etc etc, a vicious circle for yours truly, asking hereby the reader's kind patience.

Having spent a couple of hours, as above, aliases "Henry Fox&sons" are beyond doubt confirmed of being blood related to "Voltaire" ie to "Jean Batiste de Felix,II du nom, chevalier, marquis de Muy, de Grignan & de La reynarde" because:

a) their life details "fit" in main timeline perfectly (apart of dates of passing, mainly, as birthdates are more important for succesion to titles and matters of inheritance)
b) they make sense (such as the previous revelation on "Immanuel Kant" , "Swedeborg" and "Saint Germain" all "pennames".
c) "Fox" derives from "Reynarde". (Insignificant as evidence but usefull in drawing conclusions on early 18th cent relative liberal practices of the elit).

Summarising our conclusions on "Voltaire's" role in his/their time (say 1680 to 1815 at least):

Himself, the patriarch, controlled everything and everyone of importance, being an integral and indispensable part of Britain and Prussia, via his intimate links and control of both "Hannover" and "Brandenburg", of "Moscovia" (von Biron still with half a question mark due to lack of concrete data only), of "Versailles", initially via his control over Fleury and D'Orleans, then changing sides before the Seven Year war but with his sons remaining on the other side and-finally and very evidently-of "New York" and "Boston".

He organised and used a large "system" of "secret" agents, mainly his sons and maitresses, to communicate and its my conclusion that corrsepondance already published and digitized is less significant than other pubished but not digitized which is also less significant of other, not at all published, transmitted via diplomatic purse letters , still marked with red tape today.

It's also my belief that, because of the oyster type secrecy employed, most if not all of his present day live descendants, including fans of select champagne brands in particular, are not fully aware of the full extent and details of his role and, as such, they might find my writings of interest.

Planning ahead, "Berlin' will propably be retitled "Brandenburg concerti" and will hopefully appear within next week.

Until then.

* Minutes ago discovered, for instance :

"Heinrich Joseph von Collin (1771–1811), Austrian dramatist, was born in Vienna, on 26 December 1771. (Note by me: Wikipedia: No bio data of his father, a doctor, Heinrich Joseph Collin (1731−1784).
Conclusion : Possibly son of "Voltaire's" Collini, propable link to "Foscolo", deriving from FOX-Nicolo: There was an Academia Foscolidi in Florence, 1776 , corresponding with Berlin's Royal Academy of which Collini was a member and secretary : Lettera in versi del sig. abate Luca Magnanima al celebre signor Formey segretario perpetuo dell'accademia reale di Berlino & Luca Magnanima (Letta nell’Academia Foscolidi la sera di 22. giugno 1776) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Heinrich_Samuel_Formey (*31 mai 1711 à Berlin + 7 mars 1797 Berlin)

Is Collini the same as JHSFormey??

(Ugo Foscolo (Italian: [ˈuɡo ˈfoskolo]; 6 February 1778 in Zakynthos – 10 September 1827 in Turnham Green), born Niccolò Foscolo, was an Italian writer, revolutionary and poet.[1] Foscolo was born on the Ionian island of Zakynthos (Zante). His father was Andrea Foscolo, an impoverished Venetian nobleman, and his mother Diamantina Spathis was Greek.In 1788, on the death of his father, who worked as a physician in Spalato, today Croatia (Split), the family removed to Venice, and at the University of Padua Foscolo completed the studies begun at the Dalmatian grammar school.)

...needs further investigation for eventual link to "Hennin" ("Luca Abate" possible alias of Pierre Michel Hennin, marrying Mallet around 1776,Geneva, fathering Michel Hennin around 1777).

yanni

04-07-2015, 10:15 AM

"Foscolo, who, for causes not clearly explained, had changed his Christian name Niccolò" (Foscolo in Wikipedia)

In "Giornale agrario toscano" we find that Accademia "Fossolidi" (chi piu n'a piu ne metta) became Accademia Labronica in 1816 (p.94)

In http://www.gutenberg.org/files/9921/9921-h/9921-h.htm#fv53 we find Lord Byron, visiting Lord Holland in 1812 and in the company, next, late 1813, of his son, Henry Fox.
We also find Hugo Foscolo translating into italian english political speeches, in 1817:

The speeches delivered in the Lower House on March 3, 1817, were translated by Ugo Foscolo, and published with a dedication "al nobile giovinetto, Enrico Fox, figlio di Lord Holland".

Finally, from http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Montagu,_Edward_Wortley_(DNB00) we not only learn who Foscolo's father was but also, as a bonus, we have the confirmation to our conclusion that "Montagu" and "Fox" were one and the same:

Edward Wortley Montagu, "a thorough liar, and so weak-minded as to be capable of turning 'monk one day, and a Turk three days after" according to his mother, using the alias "Nicolo Fox", among others, while "travelling".

Having previously declared unreliable deathdates of persons using aliases, unlike birth dates, I am convinced that it wasn't E.W.Montagu/"Nicolo Fox"'s" son, born apparently while his mother, at least, was on a boat to Zante and hence, also christened (propably roman catholic in Zante at the time*) "Nicolo Fox" , hence a "son of a Foss-Nicolo ie a Fossolidi (in grk, as names ran then) himself, who changed his name to Hugo, propably becoming a protestant before going to London, looking for explanations but keeping his birthday intact (Born Zante ,Feb 1778).
Not so his father who had many reasons to fake his death and dissapear**, his "story" next, not at all convincing to the contrary :

In 1775 he was at Venice, where he continued to live like a Turk, and received visitors squatting on the floor. Among them was the painter, George Romney, who painted a half-length portrait of him in his oriental costume, now in the possession of Lord Wharncliffe. .....While at Venice Montagu heard of the death of his wife, and was on his way home with the intention of marrying, when he died at Padua on 29 April 1776. His death is said to have been due to the swallowing of a fish-bone. He was buried in the cloister of the Eremetani, Padua. An obscene advertisement for a wife, which appeared in the 'Public Advertiser'*** of 16 April 1776, was supposed to have been inserted by him. He left several illegitimate children, for whom he provided by his will.

Fittingly, while in London, Foscolo lived in Kensington, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwardes_Square ,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwardes_Square#/media/File:Edwardes_Square,_London_18.jpg :

Partly build by a frenchman, falsely rumored to be an agent of Napoleon, derived its name from William Edwardes, 2nd Lord Kensington...

*Andrea Benedetto Ganassoni (Brescia, 26 gennaio 1734 – Venezia, 29 marzo 1786) è stato un arcivescovo cattolico italiano. was Corfu and Zante's Bishop in 1778.

**To be sure, however, after 1815, in Zante, under british rule, not much attention was given to such details....

***http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Advertiser (Letters by Junius!)

yanni

04-09-2015, 12:11 PM

If one want's to learn "where it all started", he'd find the following bios of interest

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Casini,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolomeo_Concini
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concino_Concini

to then proceed to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Cockayne

landing next on

G. E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H. A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors. The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom

More to our subject however is perhaps the story of their "francohannoverian" relatives, the Cocceji, who, 20th cent historians had, and still have, good reason to bypass. Henirich von Cocceji's Wiki biography for instance is still in german only, though many books on him in english are available, mainly for lawyers, sociologists or historians.

http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/ADB:Cocceji,_Heinrich_Freiherr_von

Risking some minor interventions on "Google Translate", here is his bio in english, interesting from beginning to end (in particular!:these law principles must be justified by German History)

Cocceji. Heinrich v. C., lawyer, born in Bremen March 25, 1644, † to Frankfurt O. August 18, 1719, Having received his education in his native town, in1667, then goes to Leyden to study law and completd here, in 1669 his dissertation "De momentaria possesione etc.", then went to London, in 1670, where his mother's brother H. v. Oldenburg was secretary of the Royal. Society of Sciences, and focused on Physics and Philosophy and became, 1670 in Oxford, a Doctor of Law. In the following year he visited France and returned home, intenting to follow Speier at the Imperial Court of Justice, in Heidelberg. Here, after publicaly debating his treatise "De proportionibus", he attracted, the attention of the Elector Karl Ludwig, and next became a Professor of Natural and Social Law, as S. Pufendorf's successor, then Professor of Feudal Law and in 1680,Professor of Customary Roman law of Pandekten. In 1682 he was in the electoral State Board of Assessors and sat at the electoral appeal court.He refuses appeals by his native city to Utrecht and Frankfurt (Oder). After the capitulation of Heidelberg in 1688, he fled to Wurtemberg, then followed an appeal to Utrecht, but returned in 1690 to Germany,appointed by Elector Frederick of Brandenburg professor primarius in Frankfurt(Oder). He remained in that office until his death, by his sovereign, who had become King in the meantime, becoming his secretary (secret advisor) and being enobled. From 1673 to 1720, he was married with Mary J. Howard Salome, daughter of Wurtemberg Chancellor Howard, Mr. von Dirsheim, Three sons were born to him in Heidelberg, the oldest of whom Frederick Henry fell as a lieutenant-colonel in 1703 in Palatine services Roermonde. The two younger Johann Gottfried (later consultant to the government in Magdeburg) and Samuel (born 1679), heir [373] of his father's fame, studied in 1699, Frankfurt, Oder, under the presidency of his father receiving, January 1703, his Doctor degree. In addition to his extensive academic and literary activity C. has been also been of in Prussian service, in Palatine affairs of state; among other things, he was sent, 1702, because of the Orange inheritance to the Hague and has written for various courts, state papers, which can be found in his "Deductiones, consilia et responsa in causis illustrium" collection. His great scientific importance lies in the field of natural law and public law. In these he opposes the principles of H. Grotius and Pufendorf's as he considers as a fundamental source of all law not social aspects but the commanding and permissive will of God. His system, which he has never published , has been made known only through his lectures and transferred to another application by the Inaugural Dissertation of his son Samuel. Shortly before his death (1719) he then published his "Autonomia justitiae Gentium" and his " Prodromus juris gentium " -For general law it is therefore epoch-making because in his Juris publici prudentia“, 1695, he first put forward an independent law system ". This, he founded not just on roman or natural rights principles but, as he explains in the Prolegomena „Quod in caeteris juris disciplinis ratio praestat, id in jure publico Germaniae historia.“ (Therefore these law principles must be justified by German History)

to be continued.

yanni

04-10-2015, 12:13 PM

Samuel von Cocceji (since August 1718, in Königsberg, reforming judicial processes of Prussia, under King Friedrich Wilhelms I): The Publicationspatent for his "Verbesserte Landrecht des Königreichs Preußen“ is issued 27. June 1721.
François Victor Le Tonnelier de Breteuil est nommé le 13 juillet 1721, commandeur, prévôt et Maître des Cérémonies de l'ordre du Saint-Esprit et le restera de 1721 à 1743. Par tradition remontant à Guillaume Pot de Rhodes, le prévôt maître des cérémonies faisait ses preuves de noblesse, comme les chevaliers.
Hasse In Brunswick 1721 his first opera, Antioco, was performed; Hasse himself sang in the production. 1 August.
Christian August (Cath's father) on 14 August 1721 became major-general
16 August 1721Edward Henry Rich, 9th Baron Rich, 7th Earl of Warwick and 4th Earl of Holland, died However http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Rich,_8th_Earl_of_Warwick: "page does not exist" for him. (Last note by Yanni: The same "coincidence" applies for "Francis Greville, Baron Brooke, later 1st Earl of Warwick (1719-1773) who, married Elizabeth Hamilton on 15 May 1742 at Park Place, Remingham, Berkshire, daughter of Lord Archibald Hamilton, by whom he had eight children (see last timeline extract below for check proofing marriage period): His father http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Greville,_7th_Baron_Brooke : Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name"
JSBach About the beginning of August 1721 he gave a performance of some unspecified kind for Count Heinrich XI Reuss of Schleiz; this may have been arranged by J.S. Koch, the Kantor there, who had held a post at Mühlhausen, though possibly not in Bach’s time there. (Heinrich XI, Prince Reuss of Greiz (German: Heinrich XI Fürst Reuß zu Greiz; born 18 March 1722), ie conceived july 1721 , Note by "Yanni" : A "princely son" with great blue blood issue, his principality remaining intact during WWII, much like Lichtenstein, its neighbouring "paradise", some 15 miles northeast.!!)
10 September [O.S. 30 August] 1721, Treaty of Nystad concluded between Russia and the Swedish Empire in the then Swedish town of Nystad
17 September: Georg Philipp Telemann installed as cantor in Hamburg.
JSBach Sep 25, 1721 Anna Magdalena Bach and he were the first two among the five godparents of a child called Hahn. This baptism is recorded in three registers. In two of them Anna is described as ‘court singer’, in the third, simply as 'chamber Musician’ ('Musicantin'). In September Anna was again a godmother, to a child called Palmarius; again the registers differ in describing her occupation. Her name does not appear in court accounts until summer 1722, when she is referred to as the Kapellmeister’s wife; her salary (half Bach’s) is noted as paid for May and June 1722*

Am 29. September 1721 erteilte der erste englische Großmeister Herzog John von Montagu (* 1690; † 1749) dem schottisch-presbyterianischen Prediger James Anderson (1678–1739) den Auftrag, aus alten gotischen Konstitutionen eine neue Konstitution für die Großloge zu verfassen. See http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Matthew_Cooke_Manuscript

1 November : Opera season opens. London

On 23 November 1721 Richardson (Samuel Richardson (19 August 1689 – 4 July 1761) was an 18th-century English writer and printer) married Martha Wilde, the daughter of his former employer. The match was "prompted mainly by prudential considerations", although Richardson would claim later that there was a strong love-affair between him and Martha.[1]:10 He soon brought her to live with him in the printing shop that served also as his home.[3]:9

25 November : Radamisto (HWV 12b) is revived. [KT]

28 November : Completes composition of Floridante (HWV 14).

Dec 3, 1721 JSBach Marriage to Anna Magdalena Wilcken (Wilcke, Wülcken), princely court singer at Köthen

Many worthy researchers have troubled themselves with alias Samuel Rischardson, reaching their limits locating his whereabouts by checking dates of hiring of his employees:

A key moment in Richardson's career came on 6 August 1722 when he took on his first apprentices: Thomas Gover, George Mitchell, and Joseph Chrichley.[3]:15 He would later take on William Price (2 May 1727), Samuel Jolley (5 September 1727), Bethell Wellington (2 September 1729), and Halhed Garland (5 May 1730).[3]:351.One of Richardson's first major printing contracts came in June 1723 when he began to print the bi-weekly The True Briton for Philip Wharton, 1st Duke of Wharton

Richardson's "concrete" dates ( of hiring his employees), having been all been entered "forward" in my mastertimeline, all fiitted perfectly and, considering the earlier discovery of "printer-publisher Hendel" of Halle, made absolute sense as well, however, immediately after and propably while checking Edward Rich/xth Earl of Warwick and certainly before completing our point that he was as fake as any of his previous or next aliases, out popped on our screen Christian August of Anhalt Zerbst, father of Czarina Catherine, making a mess of the posting programm and re narrative , the size of his discovery as an alias, surpassing all other priorities while making yourtruly's head spin wildly in the process......

....So, Lord Holland/Voltaire/Cocceji/Felix de Muy(Fleury's)/ Crozat/etc,etc..../Christian August, when deciding to marry "their" daughter, Sophie Auguste Fredericka (2 May 1729 - 17 November 1796), who later became Catherine II the Great, Empress of Russia.......had what exactly in mind and...that's why they all (their Kings propably included as well) had colonel Grimm/Graemme accompany her to St Petersburg.....that's why Voltaire's library landed in Russia, Catherine's devotion to Grimm etc etc etc

Let's first check thru Sophie's date of conception: early August 1728!

After roughly patching up our overall timeline for 1728, here is the result:

Francis Godolphin To George II he was groom of the stole, and first lord of the bedchamber 1727–35. He was named high steward of Woodstock 18 March 1728
Heinr. Gottfried Koch studierte einige Jahre Rechtswissenschaft an der Universität Leipzig. Als er dort 1728 Friederike Caroline Neuber zusammen mit ihrer Theatertruppe kennenlernte, schloss er sich dieser an. Mit der Zeit brillierte er nicht nur als Schauspieler, sondern auch als Dekorationsmaler und Theaterdichter; als letzter wurde er auch von Gotthold Ephraim Lessing hoch geschätzt. (see Gottfried Heinrich Bach, handicapped by JSBach).

Claude Amyand On 7th May, 1728, he was admitted to the Barber-Surgeons,
À la mort de Claude Le Blanc, en juillet 1728, Le Tonnelier postule à nouveau pour la charge de secrétaire d'état, mais c'est à Nicolas Prosper Bauyn d'Angervilliers que Fleury confie le portefeuille de la Guerre.

Montesquieu voyage en Autriche, en Italie, en Allemagne et en Hollande du 20 mai 1728 au 17 octobre 1729
Ce 20 mai 1728. VOYAGE EN AUTRICHE (FRAGMENTS) Le 20 mai 1728, j'allai à Laxembourg; j'eus l'honneur de baiser la main de l'Empereur et de l'Impératrice. Je les vis dîner. Après quoi, j'allai dîner chez la princesse de Schwarzenberg.Les principales personnes que j'ai connues à ienne sont :/
Montesquieu MONTESQUIEU Le titre de Voyage d'Italie se trouve en tête d'un gros manuscrit qui se termine par ces mots : Fin du Voyage d'Hollande, sans qu'aucune division indique matériellement quand Montesquieu quitte la Péninsule ou entre dans les Provinces -Unies. Le manuscrit a été écrit d'un bout à l'autre par les secrétaires de l'auteur. Il se compose de trente -sept cahiers indépendants, qui ne sont même pas cousus; mais il en est quatre dont les feuilles sont retenues ensemble par des épingles. Sur ces trente -sept cahiers, vingt-neuf sont composés de quatre feuilles doubles; trois, de trios
Le 12 août, nous partîmes de Gratz. J'étois avec M. le chevalier Jacob (father of painter Pierre-Jacques Volaire, from Toulon) , avec lequel j'arrivai à Venise 5 le 16 du même/
Died, 14th August 1728 , Osnabruck , Ernest Augustus, last surviving son of Ernest Augustus of Brunswick, (father of by then late King George I of G.B)
Montesquieu voyage en Italie du 20 août 1728 au 17 juillet 1729 5
Le 29 août 1728, je vis à Venise M. Law. Il me parla beaucoup de son système, mais seulement des commencements : comment sa banque avoit étonné le public ; comment le duc de Noailles fut le premier 10 qui pensa au Mississipi, qui, ayant été reçu en taxe de Crozat pour 2 millions, il (sic) pensa de faire une compagnie qui fît un fonds de 2 millions; que Law dit qu'il la prendroit toute; que, le lendemain, il alla à lui, lui demander s'il lui payeroit exactement i5 la rente de 1 million/,Je suis arrivé à Padoue le 14 septembre 1728, étant parti de Venise le même jour, par la Brenta. Je suis arrivé à Vérone le 17 septembre 1728, au soir. J'arrivai à Milan le 24 septembre 1728

Late Summer – Voltaire ends his exile in England.

.... Wesley returned to Epworth. His father had requested his assistance in serving the neighbouring cure of Wroote. Ordained a priest on 22 September 1728, Wesley served as a parish curate for two years. He returned to Oxford in November 1729 at the request of the Rector of Lincoln College and....
Carl Friedrich Ernst von Cocceji (* 1728 in Berlin) war ein polnischer Generalmajor und Gesandter

Montesqieu's diary, never completed-and found with pages missing also, must be "reexamined".

Last timline extract concerning "Francis Grenville's marriage" of 1742:

In 1742, most of Silesia was seized by King Frederick the Great of Prussia in the War of the Austrian Succession and subsequently made the Prussian Province of Silesia. King Frederick II of Prussia appointed Cocceji to lead the legal reorganization of annexed SilesiaThe formal approval of Cocceji's proposals followed on March 26th, 1742. In this missive he was asked to prepare an instruction for the Vicar General and a patent notifying the Silesian officials of the change in Catholic conditions. Frederick trusted completely in Cocceji's ability, since he possessed " the necessary insight both into spiritual rights and into the tricks of the Papal clerics " and would thus be able to take whatever precautions were necessary.

Russia Elizabeth crowned herself Empress in the Dormition Cathedral on April 25, 1742.

April 1742. In 1741 Dublin’s Lord Lieutenant commissioned Handel to write a new oratorio based on a biblical libretto assembled by art patron Charles Jennens. As a result, Handel’s most famous oratorio, Messiah, made its debut at the New Music Hall in Dublin in April 1742.
Francis Greville, Baron Brooke, later 1st Earl of Warwick (1719-1773) who, married Elizabeth Hamilton on 15 May 1742 at Park Place, Remingham, Berkshire, daughter of Lord Archibald Hamilton Christian August.On 16 May 1742 King Frederick II of Prussia awarded him the highest military dignity, the rank of Generalfeldmarschall.Six months later, the death of his cousin John Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst, (7 November 1742 in Zerbst), without any issue made him and his older and only surviving brother, John Louis II, the heirs of Anhalt-Zerbst as co-rulers. Christian August remained in Stettin and his brother took full charge of the government, but he died only four years later, unmarried and childless. For this reason, Christian August had to leave Stettin and return to Zerbst, but he only reigned four months until his own death.

To continue next week, Greek Easter this weekend.

yanni

04-13-2015, 05:48 AM

I am quite sure, dear readers of my recent posts, that you, already accustomed to earlier surprises, are by now concentrating either on....

JSBach About the beginning of August 1721 he gave a performance of some unspecified kind for Count Heinrich XI Reuss of Schleiz; this may have been arranged by J.S. Koch, the Kantor there, who had held a post at Mühlhausen, though possibly not in Bach’s time there. (Heinrich XI, Prince Reuss of Greiz (German: Heinrich XI Fürst Reuß zu Greiz; born 18 March 1722), ie conceived july 1721 , Note by "Yanni" : A "princely son" with great blue blood issue, his principality remaining intact during WWII, much like Lichtenstein, its neighbouring "paradise", some 15 miles northeast.!!)...

...if from the blue blood kind.....Or on....

Samuel Richardson’s November/December 1721 (dates coincide propably if calendar differences are accounted for) marriage to Anna Magdalena Martha Wilde/ Wilcke/Wülcken

...if from the classical music kind...

...or on both, if from the “historian” kind, in which case you may also consider going as far as John Wilkes(1725-1797, since 1744 studying in Leyden and, eversince very active politicaly), Holbach’s friend and printer, in his Westminster private press-Le Christianisme devoile ou Examen des principes et des effets de la religion Chretienne_. Par feu M. Boulanger -and his distinguished friends, John Erskin, J.B.Suard, Stormont, Robert Murray Keith &sons, Benj.Langlois etc , etc.

As for me, after spending half of my Easter Sunday on D’Argenson bros, their confusing titles, their important positions in french administration and their strange relationship with Voltaire’s aliases and sons from the "other side", I now need time to digest it all and still more to put it in presentable form.

Until next.

PS Timeline to check who is who, done what

First Performance 1724-10-31, King's Theatre, London: Tamerlano Handel, George Frideric 3 Acts Year/Date of Composition 1724-7-(3-23) Tamerlano : Andrea Pacini (alto-castrato) Bajazet : Francesco Borosini (tenor) Asteria : Francesca Cuzzoni (soprano) Andronico : Francesco Bernardi, called "Senesino" (alto-castrato) Irene : Anna Dotti (contralto) Leone : Giuseppe Maria Boschi (bass) Librettist Nicola Francesco Haym, after C. Agostino Piovene, 1711/19, from J.N. Pardon Language Italian

In early January 1725, Peter was struck once again with uremia. Legend has it that before lapsing into unconsciousness Peter asked for a paper and pen and scrawled an unfinished note that read: "Leave all to ..." and then, exhausted by the effort, asked for his daughter Anna to be summoned.[b]
Conceived 17th Jan 1725, John Wilkes (17 October 1725 – 26 December 1797) , Of note :Francis Godolphin served as Lord Justice of Great Britain from June 9, 1725 to Jan. 3, 1726

Was mein Gott will, das g'scheh allzeit (What my God wants, may it always happen),[1] BWV 111, is a church cantata by Johann Sebastian Bach. He composed the chorale cantata in Leipzig in 1725 for the third Sunday after Epiphany and first performed it on 21 January 1725. The text is based on the hymn by Albert, Duke of Prussia, published in 1554. Ich hab in Gottes Herz und Sinn (I have to God's heart and mind),[1] BWV 92, is a church cantata by Johann Sebastian Bach. He composed the chorale cantata in Leipzig for Septuagesimae and first performed it on 28 January 1725. It is based on the hymn by Paul Gerhardt (1647). The bass aria describes the "howling and raging of the rough winds", an image of the rough situation of a Christian, by "incessant movement" of both the voice and the continuo

In February 8th [O.S. 28 January] 1725 death of Peter the Great.

Johann Philipp Breyne (9 August 1680 in Danzig (Gdańsk), Poland – 12 December 1764 in Danzig), son of Jacob Breyne (1637–97), noted Danzig merchant and botanist and Sarah Rogge, daughter of Danzig minter and engraver, Gerard Rogge. He was a German botanist, palaeontologist, zoologist and entomologist. He is best known for his work on the Polish cochineal (Porphyrophora polonica), an insect formerly used in production of red dye. Proposed by Hans Sloane, he was elected, on 21 April 1703, a Fellow of the Royal Society. He was also a member of the German Academy of Sciences Leopoldina (after 1715) and the Societas Litteraria (after 1720). Like his father he studied in Leyden, but he earned a degree in medicine and became a practicing physician in Danzig.

Christian Goldbach (1690-1764) became professor of mathematics and historian at St. Petersburg in 1725. He met Euler there, and when he (Goldbach) left St. Petersberg three years later, he and Euler maintained an active correspondence. It was Goldbach who first whetted Euler's interest in number theory. In fact, what we refer to today as "Goldbach's Conjecture" (that every even integer is the sum of two primes), was first stated in a letter from Goldbach to Euler.

yanni

04-15-2015, 08:08 AM

Goldbach's only "concrete" date is the day he posted Euler his "Conjecture"

Frederick invaded Bohemia and defeated the Austrian troops at the Battle of Chotusitz on 17 May 1742. By the agency of John Carmichael, 3rd Earl of Hyndford (mocked as Hundsfott, "scoundrel" by Frederick), envoy of the British, which was eager to prevent further war in Europe, a peace was concluded.Based on the terms of the treaty, Maria Theresa ceded most of the Silesian duchies to Prussia except for the Duchy of Teschen, the districts of Troppau and Krnov south of the Opava river as well as the southern part of the Duchy of Nysa, that were all to become the province of Austrian Silesia. Furthermore Frederick annexed the Bohemian County of Kladsko.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carmichael,_3rd_Earl_of_Hyndford . No "concreter" dates other than: He was envoy to Prussia from 1741–42, to Russia from 1744–49 and to Vienna from 1752-64.

Peace terms of the Treaty of Breslau between the Austrians and the Prussians negotiated in June 1742, gave Prussia all of Silesia and Glatz County[30] with the Austrians retaining only that portion of Upper Silesia called "Austrian or Czech Silesia." Prussian possession of Silesia gave the kingdom control over the navigable Oder River.
On 7 June 1742, the German mathematician Christian Goldbach wrote a letter to Leonhard Euler (letter XLIII)[5] in which he proposed the following conjecture

DE M. DE VOLTAIRE to Frederick: Juin 1742 . Sire, me voilà dans Paris; C'est, je crois, votre capitale: Tous les sots, tous les beaux esprits, Gens à rabat, gens à sandale, Petits-maîtres, pédants aigris,

Marivaux In 1742 was elected a member of the Académie française . He became acquainted with the then unknown Jean-Jacques Rousseau helping him revise a play Narcissus though it wasn't produced till long afterwards.[3] Marivaux is reputed to have been a witty conversationalist, with a somewhat contradictory personality. He was extremely good-natured, but fond of saying very severe things, unhesitating in his acceptance of favours (he drew a regular annuity from Claude Adrien Helvétius),

After the fall of Sir Robert Walpole, John Hervey, 2nd Baron Hervey was dismissed (July 1742) from his office. An excellent political pamphlet, Miscellaneous Thoughts on the present Posture of Foreign and Domestic Affairs, shows that he still retained his mental vigour, but he was liable to epilepsy, and his weak appearance and rigid diet were a constant source of ridicule to his enemies. He predeceased his father, but three of his sons became successively Earls of Bristol.

By July, attempts at conciliation had completely collapsed. Maria Theresa's ally, the Elector of Saxony, now became her enemy[77] and George II declared the Electorate of Brunswick-Lüneburg to be neutral.[78] The Queen was once again in need of help from Hungary. In order to obtain it, she granted favours to the Hungarian noblemen and flattered them without conceding to all of their demands. She had already won their support when she appeared in Pressburg in September 1741, hoping to persuade the Diet to call a mass conscription and recognise Francis Stephen as co-ruler. Upon achieving both goals, she showed her gift for theatrical displays by triumphantly holding her son and heir, Joseph, before the Diet, thereby gaining sympathy of the noblemen.[6][79][80]

Lettre de madame du Deffand au président Hénault 21 juillet 1742. M. de Voyer*, fils aîné du ministre de la guerre, chargeant la colonne anglaise à la tête du régiment de Berri, fut pendant deux heures tenu pour mort par son père; c'eût été le second fils qu'il eût perdu sous les drapeaux, le plus jeune ayant péri deux années auparavant sur les remparts de Prague La mort du petit d'Argenson est affreuse.] [17] Huit canons anglais pris à cette bataille furent donnés par le roi au comte d'Argenson en récompense de ses services.

in August 1742 Voltaire and Frederick met in Aix-la-Chapelle. Voltaire was sent to Sanssouci by the French government, as an ambassador/spy and find out more about Frederick plan's after the First Silesian War.[21]
Despite the popular name of the treaty, it was actually signed in Berlin.[1]

Needless to say, Mme Deffand is a dependable source only when recognised as a "cover up" for Voltaire/aka "président Hénault", acting as his secretary/ postwoman/conspiratrice.

*Marquiss "Voyer d' Argenson", brother of "comte d'Argenson". (He didn't really die, imo, and sender of this letter is not MMe Deffand but Voltaire himself writing to Deffand on his way to or from Berlin, advising her so that she passes the message to their english friends).

yanni

04-17-2015, 02:04 AM

A "gap" in our heroe's timeline has just been filled today:

According to "Geld, Handel, Wirtschaft: Höchste Gerichte im Alten Reich als Spruchkörper" p.132, Samuel von Cocceji, Prussia's first ever "Chancellor"(1747), from Dec 1714 to April 1715 represented Magdeburg in Vienna, followed by Graf Karl Hugo von Metternich.

1714/15 data have been entered in corresponding previous timeline but, with some 60 odd aliases now circulating, the task to first remember and then put on record each and everyone, becomes herculean. As, however, it concerns the delicate birth of our "Western World", we have just to do our best and follow it thru to successfull completion.

Readers, expert in German history in particular, are kindly invited to participate.

Cocceji's chancellorship timeline extract:

On 10 January 1747 :The marriage of princess Maria Josepha of Saxony to the French Dauphin(Louis was married by proxy at Dresden to Maria Josepha of Saxony, the 15-year-old younger daughter of Frederick Augustus II, Prince-Elector of Saxony and King of Poland and his wife, Archduchess Maria Josepha of Austria.

9 February 1747 Hasse performed two of his operas, Ezio and Artaserse, in Bayreuth in the half finished Markgräfliches Opernhaus, because of the marriage(Am 26. September 1748 (???) ]fand die Vermählung in Bayreuth statt. Die Hochzeit von Herzog Karl II. Eugen von Württemberg und der Prinzessin von Brandenburg- sister of Friedrich II the Great-of Prussia)of Elisabeth Fredericka Sophie of Brandenburg-Bayreuth, the daughter of Wilhelmine of Bayreuth.
A second marriage ceremony took place in person at Versailles on 9 February 1747.
Samuel Cocceji by 1747 he was Großkanzler (grand chancellor) of Prussia. Außerdem wurde ihm von König Friedrich II. von Preußen am 7. März 1747 der Schwarze Adlerorden verliehen*.[1]
Voltaire's next letters to Theriot Versailles, March 10 and Algarotti , April 2, 1747 (Oeuvres complètes, Tome 15, p.189, 190; Algarotti is on his way to Italy via france, on V's recomendation, he is to see Emilie)
13 Mars 1747 "Erigone" de la Bruère e Mondonville
Mitte März 1747 traf Algarotti wieder in Berlin ein und wurde von Friedrich II. freudig begrüßt. Er ernannte ihn zu seinem Kammerherrn, sprach ihm eine jährliche Pension zu und zeichnete ihn am 23. April 1747 mit dem neugeschaffenen Orden Pour le Mérite aus**It seems he was involved in the production of operas and involved in finishing the architectural designs of Georg Wenzeslaus von Knobelsdorff who had fallen ill.
(Frederick's "Von Catt"***,designer of Sans Soucci, 1745-47??)
28 March 1747[12][13] John Montagu, 2nd Duke of Montagu 1690 1749 Full general rank was general of horse.
Gaspard tutored prince Friedrich von Sachsen Gotha Altenburg (1725-1756), March 1747 in Geneva and, according to Rousseau's "Confessions", became aquainted with Rousseau too, in Paris 1749, while under Melchior Grimm, his "other" tutor
Voltaire a la Mme La Marquisse de Pompadour “Avril”
In April 1747 the French army entered Flanders. In an effort to quell internal strife amongst the various factions, the States General of the Netherlands appointed William to the hereditary position of General Stadtholder of all seven of the United Provinces. William and his family moved from Leeuwarden to The Hague. William first met Duke Louis Ernest of Brunswick-Lüneburg in 1747, and 2 years later appointed him field marshal of the Dutch States Army, which later led to his being one of the regents to William's heir. On 4 May 1747 he was confirmed as Hereditary Stattholder of the United Provinces (Netherlands).William IV was considered an attractive, educated and accomplished prince in his prime. Although he had little experience in state affairs, William was at first popular with the people. He stopped the practice of indirect taxation by which independent contractors managed to make large sums for themselves. Nevertheless, he was also a Director-General of the Dutch East India Company, and his alliance with the business class deepened while the disparity between rich and poor grew.

*Wikipedia article on Samuel von Cocceji: Diese Seite wurde zuletzt am 8. Februar 2015 um 16:37 Uhr geändert.
** " " " on Algarotti : Diese Seite wurde zuletzt am 14. Februar 2015 um 20:00 Uhr geändert.
***leaving the subject of von Katte's execution wide open.

yanni

04-17-2015, 11:54 AM

Alternative title: Have a heart for Kattes!

Hans Hermann von Katte was allegedly executed November 6th 1730.

On 5 August 1730, while the royal retinue was near Mannheim in the Electorate of the Palatinate, Frederick tried to escape from his quarters. At that point Katte stayed in Potsdam.[1] A compromising letter unmasked Katte as an accomplice and Frederick and Katte were subsequently arrested and imprisoned in Küstrin. Because they were army officers who had tried to flee Prussia for England, Frederick William I leveled an accusation of treason against the pair.
August Friedrich Eichel (not Samuel von Cocceji) Im Prozess nach dem Fluchtversuch des Kronprinzen im August 1730 führte er das Protokoll. Später stieg er zum Kabinettsrat auf.

Heinrich Gottfried Koch sogar als Dekorationsmaler leistete er Beachtliches5. Durch zwei Dezennien nahm er, zunächst in tragischen, später in komischen Rollen exzellierend, an den Wanderungen der Neuberschen Truppe, an den Erfolgen und Rückschlägen ihrer Theaterreform teil. 1737 vermählte er sich mit einem Mitglied ihrer Gesellschaft, einer Schwägerin des Kupferstechers Bernigeroth, von dem uns Bildnisse Kochs und seiner zweiten Frau bekannt sind".
5 Vgl. die Briefe Johann Neubers an Gottsched vom 17. 9. 1730 und vom 21. 7. 1731 (Reden-esbeck, S. 97 u. 102). 1760 und 1761 nach den Gemälden von E. G. Hausmann. Abbildungen u. a. bei Gerhard Wahnrau: Berlin, Stadt der Theater (Berlin 1957), S. 117, und in „Spemanns Goldenem Buch des Theaters" (Stuttgart 1912), S. 113.
Marriage September 1730 In 1730, Leclair married for the second time. His new wife was the engraver Louise Roussel, who prepared for printing all his works from Opus 2 onward. Named ordinaire de la musique by Louis XV in 1733, Leclair resigned in 1737 after a clash with Guidon over control of the musique du Roy.Leclair was then engaged by the Princess of Orange – a fine harpsichordist and former student of Handel – and from 1738 until 1743, served three months annually at her court in Leeuwarden, working in The Hague as a private maestro di cappella for the remainder of the year. (Marriage of September 1730 acc to "Jean-Philippe Rameau" by Sylvie Bouissou)
Preview(b Paris, 9 Sept 1700; d c1774). French music engraver. Known first under her maiden name of Louise Roussel, she was the daughter of the engraver and print dealer Claude Roussel, whose business was in the rue Saint-Jacques and who himself engraved several musical works. Her first productions date from 1723 (the Second livre de sonates pour violon by Henry Eccles). In 1728 she engraved jean-marie Leclair's second...
27/16 October 1730 Handel to Francis Colman envoye extraordinaire de sa majeste britanique aupres de son altese royal le grand duke de Toscane a Florence (thanking for Senesino’s arrival)
October 1730 JSBach writes to his classmate Georg Erdmann “it must be nearly four years since your honour favoured me with a kind answer to the letter I send you. Bach had written to Erdmann on July 28, 1726 and although the letter did not survive…”Wolff concludes that Bach kept detailed record of his correspondence and propably other secretary/ies than Elias Bach.
Hans Hermann von Katte + 6 November 1730)
Jean Astruc En 1729, Auguste II de Pologne le nomme son premier médecin, mais il revient un an plus tard à Paris, où Louis XV le prend pour médecin consultant.
1730 Brutus, préface d’Œdipe 15 performances le 11 novembre 1730 au Thιβtre de la rue des Fossιs Saint-Germain par la Comιdie franηaise.
Frederick was granted a royal pardon and released from his cell on 18 November, although he remained stripped of his military rank.[14] Instead of returning to Berlin, however, he was forced to remain in Küstrin and began rigorous schooling in statecraft and administration for the War and Estates Departments on 20 November
Voltaire, l.a.s. à Porée, Charles Date(s) : [novembre 1730] Importance matérielle et support : 2 p. in-4° Langue et écriture des documents : Français, latin Bibliographie : D381, Best 369, Pl 250
Voltaire, l.a. à Thieriot, Nicolas Claude Date(s) : [20 décembre 1730] Importance matérielle et support : 1 p. in-4° Bibliographie : D389, Pl 257
Philip Mazzei (Italian pronunciation: [matˈtsei], but sometimes erroneously cited with the name of Philip Mazzie; born December 25, 1730 - March 19, 1816) was an Italian physician. A close friend of Thomas Jefferson, Mazzei acted as an agent to purchase arms for Virginia during the American Revolutionary War.
Samuel von Cocceji, 1731 Präsident des Ober-Appellationsgerichts.
Johann Friedrich von Cronegk conceived new year 1730/31 (* 2. September 1731 in Ansbach)
Voltaire, l.a.s. à Moncrif, François Augustin Paradis de [janvier 1731] Bibliographie : D396, Best 383, Pl 261 Lieu(x) : Paris

Note: Katte was young, ie he couldn't have been an alias of Voltaire. Between Fr.Algarotti (born 1712 in France propably) and C.P.E Bach (born 1714), both residents of Sans Soucci later, the choice is the latter but, as no concrete data exist for either one for the period, their father's data only have been entered above, confirming, among others, our heroe's three or more aliases(Leclair, Eccles, H.G.Koch, Neuber) as well as his links to rue Saint Jacques, Paris (Caussin/Cochin property).

P.S. Warning to readers: At this stage of the narrative,it's premature to draw conclusions concerning "Voltaire & sons" and their relations to Prince Frederic of Prussia. Prior events, such as the coincidental deaths of three, at least, prussian princes, dukes etc during the second half of 1728, while "Montesqieu" was travelling and keeping a diary that was "later found ", are essential if the whole truth and nothing but is a desirable goal. Next post will be addressing re period (July 1728 to August 1730) and will illuminate readers accordingly. Trouble is, yours truly has not decided yet on how to title it properly, "Federico de Muy", "Lasting relationships need strong foundations" or "Nation building on Macchiaveli's principles", already rejected as titles, being gross understatements, needlessly ironic and irresponsible, coming as they are from the horse's(his ggggrandson) mouth. Perhaps "Notitle".

yanni

04-22-2015, 03:56 AM

Offending or insulting other people for their beliefs, preferences or world theories is not a choice. On the other hand , when evidence mounts that something is wrong, that our hero may actually be unworthy of the world wide promotion he still gets, possibly as a cloudy cover for his "other side", silence is not an option
Having already outlined the "case" of Czar Peter I's particular circumstances, relations, travels and premature death on February 8th [O.S. 28 January] 1725 and while preparing detailed timelines for years following 1722 (published above), more deaths were observed, some premature, other perhaps not but all resulting to our heroe's personal benefit, one way or the other.
In fact, from August 1723 to April 1731, thirteen such deaths occured as-well-as a propable "failed attempt".
At this rate, in the next almost fifty years to his death in 1778, over sixty more people may have perished, some already mentioned*.

List of deceased:

10th August 1723: Le cardinal Dubois (*6 septembre 1656 à Brive-la-Gaillarde -+ le 10 août 1723 à Versailles)
2nd Dec 1723: Philippe d'Orleans,Régent (* 2 août 1674 à Saint-Cloud -+ le 2 décembre 1723 à Versailles from smallpox)
16th July 1726: Max Wilhelm, younger brother of King George, (roman Catholic, joined Leopold of Austria in his youth, dies in Vienna, 16th July, 1726.
30th August 1726: Eleonore Wilhelmine (* May 1696 in Köthen-+30 August 1726 in Weimar), daughter of Gisela Agnes and Emmanuel Lebrecht , married on 15 February 1714 to Frederick Erdmann of Saxe-Merseburg (1691-1714), and secondly on 24 January 1716 to Ernest Augustus I, Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach.
17th May [O.S. 6 May] 1727: Catherine I, wife of Peter I dies 15 April [O.S. 5 April] 1684 – 17 May [O.S. 6 May] 1727),
4th Sept 1727: Brandeburg-Bayreuth Electress, Queen Christiane Eberhardine of Poland/Saxony, 19 December 1671 – 4 September 1727
14th August 1728: Brother of King George, Ernest Augustus,Duke of York, Albany and Ulster,Knight of the Garter,Bishop of Osnabruck 1716, died 14th August 1728 Osnabruck
26th August 1728: William Ernest, Duke of Saxe-Weimar, (19 October 1662 – 26 August 1728). William Ernest never remarried and died at Weimar without heirs; his nephew Ernest August I became his successor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Augustus_I,_Duke_of_Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
19th Nov 1728: Leopold of Anhalt-Köthen (29 November 1694 – 19 November 1728). Died of small pox, like his two children before him. Known for his relation to JSBach. (Concerti).
14th Jan 1729: John William III, Duke of Saxe-Eisenach Friedewald, (17 October 1666 – Eisenach, 14 January 1729)
30th Jan 1730:Emperor Peter II (23 October [O.S. 12 October] 1715 – 30 January [O.S. 19 January] 1730) died as dawn broke the day he planned to marry Ekaterina Dolgorukova.
Mid 1730: La maladie du secrétaire d’Etat de la guerre, Bauyn d’Angervilliers, permit à Chauvelin de s’ingérer dans les affaires militaires ; à partir de 1736, il prit en main la réforme de l’armée après la guerre de Succession de Pologne.(The exact date of "la maladie" is missing and can only be deducted by further research of having occured sometime mid 1730)
12 October 1730, death from dropsy(!!) of Frederick IV (*11 October 1671), king of Denmark and Norway from 1699 until his death. Frederick was the son of King Christian V of Denmark-Norway and his consort Charlotte Amalie of Hesse-Kassel.
11th April 1731: Jacob Paul Freiherr von Gundling (19 August 1673 in Hersbruck - 11 April 1731 in Potsdam) . Died from stomach ulcers. Court Historiographer to King Frederick I of Prussia, he became a figure of ridicule in the "Tobacco Cabinet" (Tabakskollegium) of Frederick William I.

(Frederick William I died aged fiftytwo on 31 May 1740).

continued to Part 2, focusing on 1728 & 1729 events, Montesquie's corresponding memoirs of his "grande tour" and introducing "Jacob Emden", the controversial Rabbi who ...generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name. Emden is a town and seaport in Lower Saxony in the northwest of Germany, on the river Ems. It is the main town of the region of East Frisia near the sea and Bruswick

*Previous forum exchange with Robert Newman, such as the death of emperor Charles VI who died an early death, October 1740, perhaps poisoned by mushrooms. Here is the comment made then:
Handel's slopy and flopy Imeneo may provide the answer, when examined together with Dr Claudius Amyand's sudden 1740 "dissappearance" to a better world) .

yanni

04-23-2015, 11:33 AM

(Still focused on 1728-29, however the presentation of detailed timelines for years 1723,24,25,26 &27 is essential if more "strange deaths", more aliases and more details of oure hero, such as children, job-description and character particulars are to be revealed. )

1723

Henry St John, 1st Viscount Bolingbroke, known as philosopher of the Country party, was allowed to return to England
2nd JanuaryClaudius Amyand elected Director of the French Protestant Hospital (La Providence) ,.
12th Jan in London,Handel’s First Performance Ottone, re di Germania.
February Benigna Gottliebe von Trotta, genannt Treyden, Duchess consort of Courland, married the Duke of Courland, Ernst Johann von Biron .
Louis XV , 13 years of age, becomes King of France in February On his uncle's council (Phil. D’Orlean, Regent of France)l he appoints cardinal Dubois as his primeminister. .
Temple Henry, 1st viscount Palmerston, ....cr. Baron Temple and Visct. Palmerston 12 Mar. 1723.
March 27th Georgiana Carolina Fox, 1st Baroness Holland, of Holland born March 27th.
Returning to France Destouches, was elected to the Académie française and married Dorothea Johnston, Lancashire lady but the marriage was not avowed for some years.
Leclair had returned to Paris in 1723, where he played at the Concert Spirituel, the main semi-public music series. His works included several sonatas for flute and basso continuo.
April 6th Marivaux creates his La Double Inconstance by the Comédie Italienne and Houdard de la Motte his Inès de Castro a parodie of Agnès de Chaillot.
April 20th, 1723, Swedenborg's memorial is submitted to The Diet /Royal college of Mines of Denmark.
5th May Bach signs contract as Thomaskantor in Leipzig.
Voltaire’s Oedipe was on stage may the 7th with Mlle Le Couvreur and Quinault-Dufresne.
Astruc. Il est également dès 1723 le médecin personnel et l'amant de Mme de Tencin,
Having several children and a wife to support Graupner applied for the Cantorate in Leipzig. Telemann had been the first choice for this position, but withdrew after securing a salary increase in Hamburg. Graupner's "audition" Magnificat, set in the style of his teacher and mentor Kuhnau, secured him the position. However, Graupner's patron (the Landgrave Ernst Ludwig of Hesse-Darmstadt) would not release him from his contract. Graupner's past due salary was paid in full, his salary was increased; and he would be kept on staff even if his Kapelle was dismissed. With such favorable terms, Graupner remained in Darmstadt, thus clearing the way for Bach to become the cantor in Leipzig.
In the spring Voltaire visits his château de la Rivière-Bourdet and has his La Ligue (la Henriade) printed in Rouen.
22nd May Anna Magdalena Bach Arrives in Leipzig with family.
Francis Godolphin was Privy Councillor, May 26, 1723 and Lord Justice of Great Britain, June 10- Dec. 29, 1723.
Cantata 75 performed in Nikolaikirche, 30 May. Eighth child, Christina Sophia Henrietta, born.
One of Richardson's first major printing contracts came in June 1723 when he began to print the bi-weekly The True Briton for Philip Wharton, 1st Duke of Wharton.
Death of Léopold Clément, Hereditary Prince of Lorraine (25 April 1707 – 4 June 1723)[1] was heir apparent to the throne of the sovereign Duchy of Lorraine. Died of smallpox in Luneville.
Frederick William of Bradenburg-Schwedt, educated and raised by his uncle, King Frederick I, and then by his cousin, King Frederick William I. His character closely resembled that of his second royal guardian, who like himself, hated idleness and was a terror to all loungers. The clergy were especial objects of his ridicule and persecution. His cane was as much feared as that of his royal namesake.[1] He made the fashionable Grand Tour, travelling to Geneva 1715, and in 1716 to Italy. He returned in 1719 to Prussia, where he received the order of the Black Eagle from Frederick William I. On 15 June 1723 he was made a Prussian major-general.
François Victor Le Tonnelier de Breteuil, replaces Claude Le Blanc, becoming Secretary of War on 1er juillet , embraces the King le 4 juillet , and takes part in a council at the Louvre le 13 août suivant. *
10th August 1723 death of cardinal Dubois à Versailles
Marie Madeleine Catherine d’Argenson is conceived in August.
Voltaire writes letter to Mme la presidente de Bernieres, a Fontainebleau, 13 Nov 1723 concerning his pension by the Queen (Anne of GB) . Next letters undated (To Thierot, L’abbe Desfontaine, and next of no day or month 1726).
2nd Dec 1723: Philippe d'Orleans,Régent (* 2 août 1674 à Saint-Cloud -+ le 2 décembre 1723 à Versailles from smallpox)
Baron Holbach Sources differ regarding d'Holbach's dates of birth and death. His exact birthday is unknown, although records show that he was baptised on 8 December 1723.[citation needed
25th Dec. Bach Examines organ , Magnificat (BWV243a) performed in Thomaskirche, 25 Dec.
26th Dec. Frédéric-Melchior baron de Grimm, fils d'un pasteur, naquit à Ratisbonne le 26 décembre 1723.b: Fils d'un pasteur luthérien de Ratisbonne (Regensburg en allemand), Jean Melchior Grimm (1682 – 1749) et de son épouse Sibylle Koch (1684 – 1774), b Voyez la Notice sur le baron de Grimm, en tête de la Correspondance littéraire, philosophique et critique adressée à un souverain d'Allemagne, par le baron de Grimm et par Diderot. Seconde édition, A Paris, 1812, t. I, p. IX. Voyez aussi Hans de Thümmel, Historische, statistische, geographische und topographische Beyträge zur Kenntniss des Herzogthums Altenburg. Altenbourg, 1820, in-fol., p. 76 et 77. (And not on (* 25. September 1723 in Regensburg) as Wiki (english version) still claims for obvious reasons)
December 26 – Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes, BWV 40 by Johann Sebastian Bach is first performed in Leipzig.
Dec. 29, 1723. Francis Godolphin loses his post as Lord Justice of Great Britain,
Samuel Cocceji By 1723 he was Kammergerichtspräsident (president of the superior court of justice)

*François Victor Le Tonnelier de Breteuil (né le 17 avril 1686 et mort le 7 janvier 1743, à Issy), was ministre de Guerre (1er juillet 1723 – 19 juin 1726) and 3 mars 1741 to his alleged death (for last term: Prédécesseur: Nicolas Prosper Bauyn d'Angervilliers, Successeur: comte d'Argenson) (Franvois Victor is the same as Jacques-René DEVIN de FONTENAY, Voltaire, Rameau etc etc as forward research on his son's birth-conception has shown-among other evidence)

yanni

04-25-2015, 03:14 AM

1724

Jean-Baptiste de Boyer, Marquis d'Argens . In 1724 he accompanied the French ambassador on a journey to Constantinople, where he lived for a year.
Marc-Pierre de Voyer de Paulmy, comte d'Argenson, Conseiller d'État (28 janvier 1724), d'Argenson entre alors dans les commissions du Conseil où il participe à la rédaction des ordonnances civiles du chancelier d'Aguesseau.Comme chancelier du duc d'Orléans, il s'efforce de rétablir les finances de la maison d'Orléans. (The name game our hero plays with the various "d'Argens"* of his creation, post "John Law" and his relative enrichment with his partner Fleury, is quite obvious but less ridiculous than later and current orchestrated efforts to hide it).

First Performance 1724-2-20 in London, King's Theatre Giulio Cesare in Egitto 3 Acts Year/Date of Composition 1724

Born Peter von Biron (15 February 1724 – 13 January 1800) was the last Duke of Courland from 1769 to 1795.Peter was born in Jelgava (German: Mitau) as the son of Ernst Johann von Biron, future Duke of Courland, and his wife Benigna von Trotha. (Peter von Biron is the same person as K.L. von Cocceji/Cocceji von der Garde as research on use and ownership of buildings on Unter den Linden 5, 7 and 9, Berlin reveals)
Born Karl Ludwig von Cocceji (* 1724; † 12. Juli 1808 in Glogau) war ein preußischer Oberregierungspräsident von Glogau.
Born, 26 Feb 1724, JSBach’s ninth child, Gottfried Heinrich (propably as above).
6th March 1724, Voltaire La tragédie de Marianne d’abord mal reçue, se relevait. Le Tasse et le Virgile de la France, il était aussi décidément l’héritier des Corneille et des Racine. Par les frères Pâris, dont il avait fait connaissance et qui lui donnaient un intérêt dans certaines affaires, il jetait les bases de sa fortune, la plus considérable sans doute qu’un homme de lettres sous l’ancien régime ait possédée.
St. John Passion performed in Nikolaikirche, 7 April.
22nd April 1724 Born Immanuel Kant (/kænt/;[1] German: [ɪˈmaːnu̯eːl kant]; 22 April 1724 – 12 February 1804
1st of May 1724 Prince William was also inoculated in London by surgeon-sergeant Amy(and) American Medical Biography: Or, Memoirs of Eminent Physicians who ..., tome 1)
Letters to a French Protestant about the King's Declaration concerning Religion, given at Versailles, 24th May 1724.
In the summer of 1724 a team of doctors performed surgery releasing upwards of four pounds of blocked urine. Czar Peter remained bedridden until late autumn.A Wilhelm Henning was a long and trusted associate of Peter the Great. He was inspector of mines in Siberia ("Peter the Great" by Derek Wilson).
Wilderer died in Mannheim and was buried there on 7 June 1724. He was married to Maria Dahmen. The couple had nine children.[4] (When Charles Philip moved the court to Mannheim in 1720 Wilderer and Greber served jointly as Kapellmeister of the orchestra, which later became famous as the orchestra of the Mannheim school.[2])
JSBach Examines organ in Johanniskirche, Gera, 25 June.
: 27 juin 1724 Cote IMV : CD 02 Intitulé : Bolingbroke, Henry Saint John, Lord, l.a. à Voltaire Date(s) : 27 juin 1724 Importance matérielle et support : 7 p. in-4° Bibliographie : D190, Best 185 Personne(s) : Bolingbroke, Henry Saint John, Lord Lieu(x) : La Source
July 8th 1724 La Fausse Suivante, or Le Fourbe Puni is a play by French playwright Pierre de Marivaux written in 1724, and produced for the first time by the Comédie-Italienneon at the theatre of the Hôtel de Bourgogne.
July 8th 1724: Marriage of Armand-Louis de Saint-George, comte de Marsay, (quitte la France vers 1715 et est chargé par le roi George Ier d'Angleterre de le représenter auprès de la Répu*blique de Genève et du Corps helvétique dès 1717. Il s'intègre à notre pays en vendant ses biens situés en France, en demandant et obtenant la citoyenneté de Genève, en épousant en deuxième noces Henriette de Mestral) (8th july 1724) et en acquérant la seigneurie de Changins (1730).
On 15th July 1724 King Frederick of Denmark issues a warrant appointing Swedenborg assessor in the Royal College with a salary of 800 dallers in silver. The memo arrived to the Royal Collge of mines August 23, 1725 (after various internal delays) and was filed for future reference September 1st,1726 ("Swedenborg: Harbinger of the New Age of the Christian Church" by Benjamin Worcester)

Anna Magdalena Bach returns to Köthen with her husband for guest performances in July 1724,
Carteret (later Lord Granville)...(spoke german, as from early 1719 Britain's ambassador to Sweden)....landed in Dublin on 23 October 1724
October 1724. Voltaire is experiencing a period of glory. He writes to his mistress the Marquise de Bernières**. I would like to ... be your gazetteer in this country so that I will be of some use to you, but unfortunately I have renounced the world since you have abandoned me. All I know is that Dufresny is dead***and that Mrs Mimeure has cut her breast( ... ) She faced her operation with a courage of an Amazon. I could not prevent to go see her in this cruel situation. I believe that it will return because she has in no way changed. Her mood is still the same. ( ..)
a few days later, to same: You enjoy making reproaches to scold me for having visited a poor dying soul who made me pray for her parents. You are a bad christian for not wanting people to adapt to agony( ... ) This very Christian approach cannot force me to live again with Mimeure. This is only a minor duty which I usually bypass.

First Performance 1724-10-31, King's Theatre, London: Tamerlano Handel, George Frideric 3 Acts Year/Date of Composition 1724-7-(3-23)
According to legend, in November, at Lakhta along the Finnish Gulf to inspect some ironworks, Peter saw a group of soldiers drowning near shore and, wading out into near-waist deep water, came to their rescue.[29]This icy water rescue is said to have exacerbated Peter's bladder problems and caused his death. The story, however, has been viewed with skepticism by some historians, pointing out that the German chronicler Jacob von Stählin is the only source for the story, and it seems unlikely that no one else would have documented such an act of heroism. This, plus the interval of time between these actions and Peter's death seems to preclude any direct link.
La Mimeure dies end of year 1724.

*d'Argesseau, d'Argens, D'Argenson ("argent" is money, silver)
**As an alias of "Voltaire,"Bolinbroke", writing to Voltaire previously in June, can only be la Marquise de Bernieres herself.
***+6 octobre 1724

NOTE by Yanni 23rd May, 2015 (as preamble for next post) : "Johann Jacob Greber(!)" is an alias of Johann Jacob Bach. "Johann Wilderer" is an alias of his brother "Johann Sebastian Bach", the two owners of two houses of same style and architecture (a theater included) on lake Lehman, Vaud, Suisse :

a)Château de Saint-Saphorin-sur-Morges, également appelé château de Mestral, dans le village de Saint-Saphorin-sur-Morges, sur le territoire de la commune vaudoise d'Échichens, en Suisse. (Completed 1725. En 1727, le général François-Louis de Pesmes de Saint-Saphorin... retired there)

b)Château de Vullierens , Suisse, Canton de Vaud, Commune Vullierens (Le château actuel a été bâti entre 1706 et 1712 par Gabriel-Henri de Mestral sous la forme d'une résidence campagnarde disposant de nombreuses dépendances, dont une salle de théâtre2).

yanni

04-26-2015, 12:06 PM

As a prologue:

To answer the question on Czar Peter's death,one must first check and record the whereabouts and interests of our hero's aliases known to have been to the North of Europe, ie not just Russia but countries and towns on or en route to the Baltic sea.

These are:

Hasse, Bach, Swedeborg, Von Biron, Goldbach (perhaps Euler), Christian August of Holstein-Gottorp , later governor of Stettin under Frederick II (part of Prussia in 1725).
To the above we must add Peter's doctors, alive at the time of his death (Robert Erskine allegedly deceased earlier), ie: Blumentrost, Bidloo and Horn and other doctors nearby ie Johann Philipp Breyne,(9 August 1680 Danzig -12 December 1764 Danzig).
Finally, more tentative aliases discovered and partly confirmed to-day: Carl Gustaf Tessin, inventor Sven Åderman owner in 1723 of the estate of Halltorps on the island of Öland (belonging already to the Czar), Wilhelm Henning, (mining engineer then), General Munnich, (prototype for Baron Munchhausen, also busy in civil engineering works in St Petersburg at the time) and, cherry to the alias pie, another "stranger" (all previous have been): General de Saint-Saphorin, ambassador of Grear Brtitain in Vienna and éminence grise of british diplomacy in Switzerland to his (alleged) death in 1737 (yet "retired", building his chateau, in 1727).

With nine newcomers, fifteen "suspects" in total,

(to follow 1725 timeline when ready)

P.S. Worth to note perhaps that among the many "Felix de Muy" belonging to Malta's Hospitalers, some (propably Scipion de Muy) are on record as "responsible" for the Baltic pre 1700 (Voila: Scipion de Félix de ia Reynarde, Chevalier de Malte, Commandeur de Baític.)

yanni

04-28-2015, 04:03 AM

In short, Czar Peter's last months are as follows:

Drs Blumentrost, Bidloo and Horn operated on Peter Ist in the summer of 1724 to cure his urinary tract and bladder infection however he never really recovered and was feeling sick everafter. He nevertheless visited first Schluesselburg (11th October), returning St Petersburg (27th October) and then, after asking in a letter his trusted associate general Munnich, responsible for carrying on the constuction of Ladoga canal in St Petersburg, to arrange for his overwater instead of overland transport, he proceeded to Lakhta in November were rumors want him saving some drowning sailors by sending his own boat for the purpose and walking into the water which might have affected his health leading him to his death in late January 1725.

Returning first to our previous 1724 timeline, we find our hero in Paris March 1724(Voltaire) travelling north to Leipsig April 7th, (Bach), then in London May the 1st (as Amyand or Ant. Cocchi) and then, after Peter's 1724 summer operation, we see him again 25th of June in Gera(Bach), appointed assessor of mines by King Frederick of Denmark July 15th (Swedenborg) while he is in Köthen with Anna Magdalena for guest performances first days of July, reaching Paris (as Marivaux) July the 8th, departing (as Voltaire) October 10th to return to London( as Handel) October 31st, 1724.

Let's check what his other "nordic" aliases were doing in re period, pre and post the Czar's death, exhausting all their "availalbe concrete data":

Hasse, who presented in Brunswick 1st August 1721 his first opera, must have rubbed elbows with Christian August (who on 14 August 1721, became a major-general), is next on record as having his serenata Antonio e Cleopatra, performed , September 1725 at Naples (if he did).

Christian August himself is next recorded, on 8 November 1727, in Vechelde (10 km west of Brunswick) marrying Johanna Elisabeth of Holstein-Gottorp*

We see Bach next in Leipsig, late January 1725, performing his-quite characteristic for the circumstances-church cantatas (What my God wants, may it always happen),[1] BWV 111, and (I have God in heart and mind), BWV 92, while also composing his "Rodelinda, regina de' Longobardi", onstage London, 13th Feb, when he also addresses a letter to The Right Honourable The Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament, stating that he was born "at Halle, in Saxony, out of His Majesty's Allegiance", but being of the Protestant religion, and having "given Testimony of his Loyalty and Fidelity to His Majesty", he requested that his name be added to the bill 'An Act for Naturalisating Louis Sechenhaye'. While there he also does his marital duties, thus his son (John Montagu's) Edward Montagu Churchill Montagu, Marquess of Monthermer conceived late feb 1725).

At "The Natural philosophy of Emanuel Swedenborg: A Study in the Conceptual" by David Dunér, p.109, we find a letter to Emm.Swedenborg from his alleged "brother Jesper", February 1725, asking him on the arrest of a Benjamin Dunster (propably "Dunstér"), a Finn, who was arrested, December 1724, for pretending to be the late King Charles XII of Sweden,dead in 1718. Dunster, declared insane, died allegedly in prison 1730. ("brother Jesper" is propably Emm.Swedeborg's "coordinator" from London. King Karl's impersonation incident is for the swedish historian to explain.Imo, Benjamin Dunster was neither imprisoned, nor did he die Danemark, 1730 but lived to old age.)

After his marriage of 1723 to Benigna , we find next von Biron: "at Anna's coronation (19 May 1730), he became grand chamberlain, a count of the Empire, on which occasion he is said to have adopted the arms of the French ducal house of Biron, and was presented with an estate at Wenden with 50,000 crowns a year.[2]"

With regard to Count Carl Gustaf- with the unlikely for a swede family name of -"Tessin" (one has only to look for Mme Tencin's biography**, to find her connection to Montesquie/John Law and many more aliases of our hero and also find the name's provenance: I did, and the results will be published next,together with the last of our suspect aliases, his alter ego "Saint Saphorin):
He began his public career in 1723, at which time he was a member of the Holstein faction, which promoted the claims of the young Duke Carl Frederick of Holstein to the Swedish throne. In 1725 Tessin was appointed ambassador at Vienna, and in that capacity counteracted the plans of the Swedish chancellor, Count Arvid Horn, for joining the anti-Russian Hanoverian Alliance.He married Ulrika Sparre in 1727 and we may find the specific date looking at her, not his, wiki biography:She married Carl Gustaf on 27 August 1727 (see above what he did next in 1727, the rest of his story tallying with Voltaire's own).

Little is known about Inventor Sven Åderman, no "concreter" dates than :
In 1723 Frederick (Ist, King of Sweden from 1720, , died 25th March 1751)rewarded the military inventor Sven Åderman with the estate of Halltorps on the island of Öland, for improving the rate of fire of the musket.As a king, he was not very respected. When he was crowned, it was said; "King Charles we recently buried, King Frederick we crown – suddenly the clock has now passed from twelve to one". It is said about him, that although a lot of great achievements in the country's development happened during his reign, he never had anything to do with them himself. When he died, Carl Gustaf Tessin said about him:Under the reign of King Frederick, science has developed – he never bothered to read a book. The merchant business has flourished – he has never encouraged it with a single coin. The Stockholm Palace has been built – he has never been curious enough to look at it.

Christian Goldbach (& Euler): He became professor of mathematics and historian at St. Petersburg in 1725. He met Euler there, and when he left St. Petersberg three years later, he and Euler maintained an active correspondence. It was Goldbach who first whetted Euler's interest in number theory. In fact, what we refer to today as "Goldbach's Conjecture" (that every even integer is the sum of two primes), was first stated in a letter from Goldbach to Euler.(allegedly from Moscau June 1762)

(Continued, first with detailed 1725 timeline("covering" the doctors triad) and then with "Saint Saphorin" and Munchausen/Munnich. Breynes wikibio contains just a list of science publications.)

P.S 30/4/14 : Having yesterday added in previous timelines two more "nordic and morbid" events (Nov 1708 and Dec 1718), very much related and, for me at least, quite "conclusive" historically and very revealing of main hero's character, duties and "efficiency", I had then to face the dilemma either going back to examine the deaths of Carl of Sweden and his elder sister or carry on, as prescheduled, with 1725 timeline.
It's not just that both options technically are equally hard or that my presentation schedule had to change:
The discovery already of such a number of such distinguished "skeletons in the family closet" (both, family and "closet", total strangers to me until some fifteen years ago) deeply affected my mood to the downside, their ways being against all my beliefs, values, principles and aesthetic, which (BVP&Ae) they moreover so successfully had preached earlier, while acting the exact opposite, to then justify their metamorphosis thru Imm. Kant's corner-cutting transcendental philosophy,spreading the disease further downwards ....

A true mess, perhaps well deserved, one might think, if blood carries the stigma of ancestor actions. Well, hoping it doesn't, after losing my sleep last night, I then thought it's for the Swedes to decide whether to rethink and review, or not, their 1708 &1718 losses and for me to proceed to 1725 as promised.

Whether I then keep on going to 1815 is another matter: It gets even messier later-on and, satisfied that already sound foundations have been layed for the rest of "the story" to be revealed (one has just to follow researching each alias history to the end, following preferably the money trail), I'll propably end my posts after 1725 and " Saint Saphorin" (also "Saint Symphorien" originating from grk συμφορά ie calamity), may he rest- and leave us all- in peace!

:Angel_anim:

*just two weeks after, October 17th, 1727, with Bach himself at the harpsichord Bach's TRAUER ODE for the Funeral of Queen Christiane Eberhardine of Poland/Saxony was performed at a special Memorial Service, Paulinerkirche, Leipzig. (Libretto by Gottshed who also discovered Neuberin and her "mann" then: Mit dem Erwerb des sächsischen Aufführungs-Privilegs kam die Neuberin nach Leipzig. Die »Neuberin« fällt durch die Vielseitigkeit ihres Spiels, ihr Temperament und ihre Schlagfertigkeit auf. 1727 gründet sie mit ihrem Mann eine eigene Truppe, erwirbt das sächsische Aufführungs-Privileg und spielt mit ihrer Wanderbühne in den »vorzüglichsten Städten Deutschlands«. Leipzig wird sie von Gottsched entdeckt).

**see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencin : first reference:Des villages de Cassini aux communes d'aujourd'hui [archive] sur le site de l'École des hautes études en sciences sociales:coolgleamA:.

yanni

05-01-2015, 05:01 AM

17th Jan 1725: Conceived John Wilkes (born 17th October 1725 – 26 December 1797).
?? Johann Heinrich Friedrich von Cocceji (* 1725; † nach 1785).
February 8th [O.S. 28 January] Death of Czar Peter the Great.
21st and 28th January: JSBach in Leispig plays cantatas BWV 111 etc
13th Feb First Performance in London, Handel's Rodelinda, Date of Composition 1725-01-20.
Late Feb: Allegedly ((acc to Cockayne) conceived John Montagu’s son Edward Montagu Churchill Montagu, Marquess of Monthermer.
February 1725. Letter to Emm.Swedenborg from his alleged "brother Jesper", asking him on the arrest, December 1724,of a Benjamin Dunster (propably "Dunstér"), a Finn, for pretending to be the late King Charles XII of Sweden,dead in 1718. ("The Natural philosophy of Emanuel Swedenborg: A Study in the Conceptual" by David Dunér, p.109)(Note by Yanni: "brother Jesper" is propably Emm.Swedeborg's "coordinator" from London.)
March 5th: L’Île des esclaves, a one act comedy by Pierre de Marivaux was presented for the first time on at the Hôtel de Bourgogne by the Comédie Italienne.
March 30 – 2nd performance of Johann Sebastian Bach's St John Passion, BWV 245 (including 5 movements from his Weimarer Passion), at St. Thomas Church, Leipzig.
2nd April: The Duke d'Orleans adresses letter to Stanislas on behalf of Louis XV asking to be married to his daughter Maria Lescynska.There were rumors before the wedding that the bride was ugly, epileptic and sterile.
14th April. Baptised JSBach's tenth child, Christian Gottlieb.
25th April Voltaire's Hérode et Mariamne at Commedie Francaise.
Henry Clinton: ..the refusal of Lord Pulteney(first Lord Bath) to follow Walpole's instructions led to his dismissal as Cofferer of the Household ....(and) ..in April 1725 was dismissed from his sinecure. Clinton was appointed to replace him.
6th May: Marie was forced to undergo a medical examination, which ruled out epilepsy and also gave reassuring reports about her menstruation and ability to procreate.
12th May:Born Louis Philippe d'Orléans known as le Gros (the Fat).
April –May:Swedenborg appears as assessor in the (books of) board of Mines (Danemark) in the evaluation of advantages-disadvantages of the new technology.
The Most Honourable Order of the Bath (formerly the Most Honourable Military Order of the Bath)[1] is a British order of chivalry founded by George I on 18 May 1725.
Charles Frederick, Duke of Holstein-Gottorp, a nephew of childless Charles XII of Sweden and Anna wed after Peter's death, on 21 May 1725, in Trinity Church, Saint Petersburg. The couple had one child: Peter Feodorovich of Holstein-Gottorp (21 February 1728 – 17 July 1762)
24th May: Christian August selected as a knight of Order of the Black Eagle in Stettin.
May the 27th the official announcement of the marriage (to Louis XV?) .
7th June: Treaty of Vienna in which King Philip V of Spain allied himself with Habsburg Austria after his daughter's engagement to Louis XV of France was broken off.
9th June: Francis Godolphin appointed Lord Justice of Great Britain (to Jan. 3, 1726 )
12th June: Emilie married the Marquis Florent-Claude du Chastellet-Lomont.[8][note 1] Her marriage conferred the title of Marquise du Chastellet.[note 2] Like many marriages among the nobility, theirs was arranged. As a wedding gift, the husband was made governor of Semur-en-Auxois in Burgundy by his father.
11th/22nd June: Letter in French to Michael Dietrich Michaelsen by Handel (London?)
4th July: Stanislas and family reside at Strasbourg where, August 15th, the marriage takes place in paper, the King represented by cardinal de Rohan, grand aumônier de France, bishop of Strassburg. The marriage by proxy took place on 15 August 1725 in the Cathedral of Strasbourg, Louis XV represented by his cousin the Duke of Orléans, Louis le Pieux. Upon her marriage, Maria's Polish name was modified into French as Marie Leczinska. Marie was popular among the public from the beginning, such as when she handed out largesse on her way to her wedding in Fontainebleau
Frideric de Diesbach-Steinbrugg, baron de Diesbach, comte du Saint-Empire. Titre confirmé les 25 juillet et 25 août 1725 par Charles VI qui autorisa Frideric à régler lui-même de son vivant la transmission de son titre aux parents de son choix.
Voltaire: 1725-26 insulted by "le chevalier de Rohan, est mis à la bastille, puis passe en Angleterre"
July Goldbach: bewarb sich daraufhin im Juli 1725 bei dem Präsidenten der Akademie Lorenz Blumentrost (1692–1755) um ein Amt und erhielt den Posten eines Professors für Mathematik und Geschichte.
(July???) Blumentrost: 1724 gründete er auf Wunsch von Peter I. die Russische Akademie der Wissenschaften in Sankt Petersburg (erste Sitzung 1725) und wurde deren erster Präsident. Er holte (mit Unterstützung ....etc etc [(http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurentius_Blumentrost_der_J%C3%BCngere)

Johann Wilhelm Koch hat in seinem Heimatort vom dortigen Kantor Johann Tobias Krebs d. Ä. seine musikalische Grundausbildung erhalten, war danach kurze Zeit am Weimarer Hof tätig. Bevor er sich 1725 an der Universität Jena immatrikulierte, ....
CASSINI, Jacques chevalier x CHARPENTIER, Suzanne Franηoise, 1725-08-03 -> Voir (micha84) (divorced, three Cassin(i) sons, by Suzanne)
Sept 5th: Louis and Marie first met on the eve of their wedding, which took place on 5 September 1725, at the Château de Fontainebleau. Marie was twenty-two years old and Louis fifteenThe young couple was reported to have fallen in love at first sight.[citation needed]. The relationship ....initially described as a happy one, ....Louis XV was faithful to her. In August 1727, Marie gave birth to her first children, twin daughters named Louise Élisabeth and Henriette Anne, at the Palace of Versailles.. (conceived late nov, early dec 1726-to check: checks positive, see ** ).
Emilie and her husband...moved there at the end of September 1725. Du Châtelet was nineteen at the time, her husband thirty-four. The Marquis Florent-Claude du Chastellet and Émilie du Châtelet had three children: Françoise Gabriel Pauline (born 30 June 1726, conceived 30 august 1725), Louis Marie Florent (born 20 November 1727), and Victor-Esprit (born 11 April 1733).[9] Victor-Esprit died as a toddler in late summer 1734, likely the last Sunday in August.[10] In 1749 Émilie du Châtelet gave birth to Stanislas-Adélaïde du Châtelet (daughter of Jean François de Saint-Lambert). She was born on 4 September 1749. The infant died in Lunéville on 6 May 1751.[11]
September: Hasse. his serenata Antonio e Cleopatra, was performed at Naples; .
16th September 1725 – The Treaty of Hanover is signed between Great Britain, France and Prussia.The Treaty of Hanover was developed in response to the treaty of Vienna and was concluded by Great Britain, France and Prussia on September 3, 1725. George I, growing concerned about a potential conflict with Spain, signed the agreement linking France, Prussia, and the Netherlands (later acceded) together in opposition to Spain.[1][2]
Bach gives organ recitals in Sophienirche, Dresden, 19-20 Sept.
Necker: As from Sept 1725, Treaty of Hannover and in following years, he is acting as private secretary to Sir Thomas Robinson, 1st baron Grantham (brit embassador in Vienna and then secretary of state ), keeping records intending to write a book, now in the inventory of King's manuscripts at the Br.Library . (La connaissance du Saint-Empire en France du baroque aux Lumières 1643-1756, by Guido Braun) . (Thomas Robinson, 1st Baron Grantham, KB, PC (ca. 1695 – 30 September 1770) was a British diplomat and politician. Acc to wiki his term in Vienna was from 1730 to 1748)
8th October 1725 Voltaire a Mme la President de Bernieres, Fontainebleu : writes he was in court playing Oedipe, Mariamne, L’Indiscret, was absent for a time, some time ago he was at Belebat with Mme de Prie, …Je pars dans deux jours avec le duc d’Antin pour allez a Bellegarde voir Roi Stanislas…dela je retourne a Belebat une second fois avec Mme Prie… hopes that his business will be finished shortly after, hopes to see her in November.

October 17th Voltaire letter to Thiriot , Fontainebleu:.. gossips, has been well received here by the queen "Supplément au Recueil des lettres de M. de Voltaire,Louis-Simon Auger"
Oct 1725 Voltaire's letter to George I, asking to come to London for his Henriade presentation (Henri IV, “the best of our Kings”*)
Desaguliers becomes zum Deputierten Großmeister again in 1725. Im Buch der Alten Pflichten, der ersten Großlogenkonstitution unterschrieb er die Widmung an 21John Herzog von Montagu, seinerzeits der reichste Mann Englands. Dem Aufbau der Grologenordnung widmete er viel Zeit und Arbeit. Auf ihn geht die Wiedereinführung von Trinksprüchen beim Jahresfest der Großloge und Tafellogen zurück. Ebenso reformierte er die Bekleidungsordnung vom Logenmeister und Logenbeamten.[2]
En novembre 1725, paraissait au Mercure de France, un article du père Louis-Bertrand Castel : Clavecin pour les yeux, avec l'art de peindre les sons et toutes sortes de pièces de musique. (Louis Bertrand Castel (15 November 1688 – 9 January 1757) was a French mathematician born in Montpellier, and entered the order of the Jesuits in 1703. Having studied literature, he afterwards devoted himself entirely to mathematics and natural philosophy. He wrote several scientific works, that which attracted most attention at the time being his Optique des couleurs (1740), or treatise on the melody of colors. He also wrote Traité de physique sur la pesanteur universelle des corps (1724), Mathématique universelle (1728), and a critical account of the system of Sir Isaac Newton in 1743.) Notification de pension à Voltaire Date(s) : 14 novembre 1725 ( D255 (note 1), Best 248 (note 2), Lieu(x) : Paris
François-André Danican Philidor (September 7, 1726 – August 31, 1795), conceived dec 1725
JSBach and wife: She did return to Köthen with her husband for guest performances in December 1725 and in January 1728....

27 Dec, Goldbach: Bei der konstituierenden ersten Sitzung am 27. Dezember 1725 fungierte er als Sekretär der Akademie.

John Montagu’s son Edward Montagu Churchill Montagu, Marquess of Monthermer (b. 27 Dec 1725).

Charles-Frédéric Necker (??) (1686-1762), «Prussien d’honnête famille, mais sans éclat ni fortune, établi à Genève vers 1725» (De Diesbach***, 1987 : 25), his access to the genevan bourgeoisie genevoise,in 1726 due to his sevice as secretary to general de Saint-Saphorin, ambassador of Grear Brtitain in Vienna and éminence grise of british diplomacy in Switzerland to his death in 1737.( http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois-Louis_de_Pesmes_de_Saint-Saphorin IS “Voltaire".)

*Voltaire borrows the phrase "The best of our Kings" from COKE, John (1563-1644), of Hall Court, Kynaston, Herefs.; Garlick Hill, London and Tottenham, Mdx.; later of Melbourne Hall, Melbourne, Derbys.

**timeline extract for checking a likely propability:

November 1726 Euler eagerly accepted the offer, but delayed making the trip to St Petersburg while he unsuccessfully applied for a physics professorship at the University of Basel
Princesses Louise Élisabeth and Henriette Anne, conceived late nov, early dec 1726
Marie-Louise-Augustine de Laval-Tartiny, mariée, le 19 décembre 1726, avec Louis-Antoine Crozat, seigneur de Thiers, lieutenant général des armées du roi...

*** Having just checked Frideric, prince de Diesbach's biography (1677-1751)" at http://www.diesbach.com/belleroche/portraits-diesbach/portraits-steinbrugg/portraits-steinbrugg01.html, I can well understand his descendants eagerness to find who he really was.