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soccerstar808
11-21-2010, 06:53 PM
In 1984, O'Brien claims that Winston is insane once they enter the Ministry of Love. In reality, Winston is far more intelligent than O'Brien. O'Brien has become fullfledged into the ideals of Big Brother, which has put great limitations on the amount of knowledge that he can consume. Winston is "free" in the mental aspect because Big Brother does not control his thought process. Winston can learn more because he has a bigger mental capacity to fill. Although, O'Brien appears to be more knowledge because in the Orwellian 1984, Big Brother's ideas are the only knowledge to hold. This backwards education has greatly brainwashed Oceania but put limitations on the educational system. I see this a lot in our world because of funding limitations. George Orwell was definetely right in his predictions.

JAG1
11-21-2010, 07:02 PM
I don't think this is true. O'brien is just as smart as anyone. He is intelligent enough to use the ideals of Big Brother to keep everyone else down and himself in power. How else would he have become an Inner-Party member? He simply uses Big Brother as a figurehead so that the rest of the party keeps their attention away from the Inners. He is simply another guy who uses his independent intelligence for personal gain.

The Atheist
11-21-2010, 09:45 PM
In 1984, O'Brien claims that Winston is insane once they enter the Ministry of Love. In reality, Winston is far more intelligent than O'Brien. O'Brien has become fullfledged into the ideals of Big Brother, which has put great limitations on the amount of knowledge that he can consume. Winston is "free" in the mental aspect because Big Brother does not control his thought process. Winston can learn more because he has a bigger mental capacity to fill. Although, O'Brien appears to be more knowledge because in the Orwellian 1984, Big Brother's ideas are the only knowledge to hold. This backwards education has greatly brainwashed Oceania but put limitations on the educational system. I see this a lot in our world because of funding limitations. George Orwell was definetely right in his predictions.

No, you've just ignored one of the central premises of the book: doublethink.

O'Brien is infinitely more intelligent than Winston, which is why he is in the Inner Party. Use of doublethink means that he can, and does, hold two contradictory opinions at the same time.

Then, being able to choose which is best for the Party, and thence himself, shows his intellect.

There is no analogy with education today and 1984. I'm no fan of institutionalised education circa 2010 AD, but it's not relevant to the book.