Fellow Metalheads?

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

So, who else here is a metal head? I love metal. Aside from jazz, I can't think of any other genre in which you will find so many bands with unbelievably talented musicians. My favorite sub-genre of heavy metal is progressive metal. I love Opeth (amazing progressive death metal band from Sweden), Between the Buried and Me (awesome technicality and song writing skills), and Tool (come on, it's Tool.

[Leland Gaunt]

I enjoy some metal:

Buckethead-one of the best guitar players alive

System of a Down

Dr. Acula

Pantera

Metallica



I will have to give those bands a listen. Thanks.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Like all of them. Metallica and Pantera are what got me into metal in the first place. Heard of Dr. Acula, need to check 'em out.

[JuniperWoolf]

I'd say that I'm about 1/10th metal. My friend steve is a huge metalhead and some of the influences that he passed on to me include The Devin Townsend Band, Epica and In Flames.

[Maximilianus]

Nowadays I'm mostly a headbanger of the symphonic type, swimming among the sounds of Nightwish, Tarja, EPICA, Within Temptation and so on.

Before that, I've enjoyed Ozzy, Queenrÿche, Savatage, Metallica, Megadeth and Testament among others, and I still do, though I began my relations with the genre when I was a kid with bands of the sort of Guns N' Roses and Poison.

I also discovered Kamelot, Leaves' Eyes, Amberian Dawn, Apocalyptica, Delain, Sirenia and Elis recently.

Although not being symphonic metal, I find that many of W.A.S.P.'s songs are quite symphonically poetic, so I like W.A.S.P. a lot, especially their latest albums which are very conceptual.

[Serena03]

Jazz and metal being the only two genres of musical talent? There is a huge gap of great music that is evidently being averted! Metal has its areas of power, but the further down you go, the more cacophonic it becomes. It is hardly original anymore, and becoming too cliched. The basic elements of music are hidden under an elusive pile of guitar shredding and screeching followed by neanderthalian grunts and screams. I can only listen to certain genres of metal such as classic, thrash and some neo, Metallica actually being an all-time favorite, but I must be in a well preparatory mood in the forehand.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Jazz and metal being the only two genres of musical talent? There is a huge gap of great music that is evidently being averted!

I didn't say that jazz and metal were the only two genres of musical talent. I said they're the only two genres with so many bands that have musical talent. Of course every genre has talented musicians, I just feel jazz and metal have more.


Metal has its areas of power, but the further down you go, the more cacophonic it becomes.

Cacophony doesn't equal musical ineptness, though. It seems to be quite the oppositte, as the most complex and technical of metal becomes the most discordant to the undiscerning ear. Listen to Dillinger Escape Plan, Between the Buried and Me, Unexpect, Nile, or Spiral Architect and you'll find an organized chaos that is mind-blowing if understood.


It is hardly original anymore,

Not all of it's original, of course, but there are still plenty of band pushing the limits of what metal is and can do, and changing the genre. Any of the bands I listed fit this category (except maybe Nile). Other bands that come to mind off the top of my head are Mastodon, Ihsahn, and Meshuggah.


and becoming too cliched.

How so?


The basic elements of music are hidden under an elusive pile of guitar shredding and screeching followed by neanderthalian grunts and screams.

Metal isn't really about the basic elements of music.

[Maximilianus]

Just today I discovered After Forever, and I'm beginning to like it already. Very probably, I'll get to love it in a matter of a few days. I just need to get my ears accustomed to their sound, though they had no trouble to become addicted to Floor Jansen's voice http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs15/f/2007/105/5/8/Nem_Guitar_red_by_nunyx.gif http://smiles.kolobok.us/artists/just_cuz/JC_rockin.gif

[Serena03]

I didn't say that jazz and metal were the only two genres of musical talent. I said they're the only two genres with so many bands that have musical talent. Of course every genre has talented musicians, I just feel jazz and metal have more.

Sorry, but this is still just ignorant. So many groups of blues, prog rock, folk, r & B, funk, pop, hip-hop, alternative(all the sub-genres of rock, there are so many) classical, bluegrass, opera, the list goes on and on. Much more than Jazz and Metal combined. I highly recommend some more diversity within your listening.



Cacophony doesn't equal musical ineptness, though. It seems to be quite the oppositte, as the most complex and technical of metal becomes the most discordant to the undiscerning ear. Listen to Dillinger Escape Plan, Between the Buried and Me, Unexpect, Nile, or Spiral Architect and you'll find an organized chaos that is mind-blowing if understood.

When the 'music' becomes just a shrill and screeching or squealing noise, I stop listening. This is usually the case with death metal/death grind/black metal and other similar styles. At least thrash metal and classic metal can still keep a recognizable beat. Until it all begins to twist up into a cyclone of death growls, excessively thundering drumming and speedy guitar shreds, it is no longer enjoyable to me. To play faster does necessarily make it better.


Not all of it's original, of course, but there are still plenty of band pushing the limits of what metal is and can do, and changing the genre. Any of the bands I listed fit this category (except maybe Nile). Other bands that come to mind off the top of my head are Mastodon, Ihsahn, and Meshuggah.

I suppose I get a bit tired of the Satanic image it represents while claiming to not really be Satanic. I am not really offended by it, it just gets old, just as well as the hundred-million pop love songs out there. As well the frequent recycling of old riffs. But this occurs in a lot of music, especially new music.








Metal isn't really about the basic elements of music. Then why call it music? Classic metal is still one of the few that can hang on to these elements.

[Kyriakos]

Im not much fo a metalhead, but i like some of the mainstream bands, like Iron Maiden, Megadeth and System of a Down...

[weltanschauung]

the new electric wizard is amazing!

and speaking of buckethead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t0s7o3NKUw

hail satan <3

[weltanschauung]

oh, and about the dillinger escape plan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGQLubr3RQ

and about nile, have you heard karl sander's solo project?
its adorable
http://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/karl_sanders_-_saurian_exorcisms.jpg

and btw, i just LOVE when people who have absolute NO knowledge about metal attempt to diminish it. like, they heard one pantera song and two iron maidens and maybe 4 metallicas, bahahaha. jesus. aaaaand btw, system of a down ISNT metal.

[weltanschauung]

oh, and speaking of jazz, you HAVE to check this out
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0AJs9xYwi-Q/TMQPBkDEApI/AAAAAAAAAhs/G2B51ZdL83A/s1600/1247172707_bohren-und-der-club-of-gore.jpg

[weltanschauung]

gotta love the shrill and screetching <3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6349Q-67eA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzIBI3jkKY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opyVdN8GZtc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ZHajw3-3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pguSt3P5PkI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57pPK9LIa34

[manolia]

Black and death are a bit misunderstood..there's so much more to both genres than meets the ear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcv8-kJ5MXk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYzNMyQUBFg

[weltanschauung]

man, youre from greece.... rotting christ is superb. specially theogonia and aealo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdZw6meX76A

[manolia]

Nice choice :)
yep they are..seen them countless times live
septic flesh are nice as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHd4nMeCLJI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlt6wJtjiRo

and
aherusia (which have included a very traditional music instrument -lyra - in their music)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu1_g1l5prE

[manolia]

..but i was meaning to post this fine speciment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXBs0SNjX5w

[weltanschauung]

Black and death are a bit misunderstood..there's so much more to both genres than meets the ear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcv8-kJ5MXk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYzNMyQUBFg


i listened to these. draconian is kinda cheesy but its cute! (i found it cheesy probably out of prejudice with the female vocals...:blush:)
in the woods started out kinda dark ambient then got tiamat-ish..

cheers

[weltanschauung]

..but i was meaning to post this fine speciment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXBs0SNjX5w

oh arcturus, i never liked them, but its just cause the keyboards annoy the satan out of me. i did use to like one song, collapse generation? yeah

[manolia]

hehe i used to be a bit prejudiced as well (concerning female vocals)
..but then Anneke (van Giersbergen) got in the way. I simply adore her voice.
Draconian deserve a go : ]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr_3juFrMjk

[weltanschauung]

youre right, its embarrassing to admit but it didnt displease me at all!
and i heard the aherusia, thought it was pretty decent too, reminded me a little of r.c.

now this is my LOCAL contribution to the thread, dont think youre gonna like it though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI1ItXX3QV0

[manolia]

Not bad actually. I think i have listened to this band before (the name of the band looks very familiar). Early Bathory has to be my fav black metal band (but that changes from time to time)

[Kyriakos]

Although you guys are more hardcore, here is a softer gothic metal song i like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvt6dYFQMFo

[manolia]

Although you guys are more hardcore, here is a softer gothic metal song i like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvt6dYFQMFo

!!
Love them : ]
Grossly underated band

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpb-3ghfTgk

[weltanschauung]

no, dont get soft. get tough!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDl1Gb9FrR8

best band ever in the best bm collaboration ever, with the best everything ever ever ever!

[manolia]

no, dont get soft. get tough!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDl1Gb9FrR8

best band ever in the best bm collaboration ever, with the best everything ever ever ever!

that was darn good!
Never heard of them before. Always nice to learn new names :yesnod:

[weltanschauung]

cool, mang. its always nice to have some buddies in the funny farm!

[MystyrMystyry]

Even though I'm beginning to feel a bit 'over the heel' (a recent development since appearing at litnet, I must confess a fondness for Metal - though not the extreme nor thrash kind.

If you're to old for metal you're too old for life.

I grew up in the era of Zepplin, Floyd and Purple (actually I was a bit precocious because I had older siblings and friends). Back then the buzzword was simply 'heavy'.

But as I grew more albums appeared im my library like ACDC, Budgie's Never Turn Your Back on a Friend, and gentler stuff like Uriah Heep, King Crimson.

But then something weird happened in 75/6 - The Sex Pistols, The Clash, Souxie and the Banshees - all thses exciting new rock bands that weren't bathed in their own Dinosaur Aura. You had to be there.

It was fresh and alive and it wasn't full of pompous B.S. and poncing on the stage like they were some stupid RockGods.

But Punk as a movement became a fashion as a lot emerged very little of it worth listening to, and it was the hip young new fashion designers that incorporated safetypins and garbage bags and whatnot that cemented its place in the history books.

But I never lost interest in Metal - and the good stuff still appears in my library - like 10000 Days the day it was released.

ROCK ON!

[weltanschauung]

canada, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrLOYxgEIrU

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Sorry, but this is still just ignorant. So many groups of blues, prog rock, folk, r & B, funk, pop, hip-hop, alternative(all the sub-genres of rock, there are so many) classical, bluegrass, opera, the list goes on and on. Much more than Jazz and Metal combined. I highly recommend some more diversity within your listening.

I listen to a ton of prog rock (love Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, ELP, The Flower Kings, Zappa, etc.). I listen to straight jazz, some reggae, some indie, some classic rock, and contemporary rock. I need to listen to more classical. I don't like hip-hop, and have yet to hear and with much musical talent. I feel I have enough diversity in what I listen to.

Of course all other genres combined have more talented musicianship than jazz and metal. I meant each genre on its own. This is my opinion. Take that for what little it's worth.


When the 'music' becomes just a shrill and screeching or squealing noise, I stop listening. This is usually the case with death metal/death grind/black metal and other similar styles. At least thrash metal and classic metal can still keep a recognizable beat. Until it all begins to twist up into a cyclone of death growls, excessively thundering drumming and speedy guitar shreds, it is no longer enjoyable to me. To play faster does necessarily make it better.

Don't accuse me of making ignorant statements, and then write something like this. Just because you can't recognize a beat doesn't mean it isn't there. It's more complex, and harder to play. Don't bash it just because you don't understand it.



"Metal isn't really about the basic elements of music."

Then why call it music? Classic metal is still one of the few that can hang on to these elements.

Why call it music? Is this a real question, or were you just being facetious?

Stick to your bland musical tropes if it pleases you. I prefer to listen to something different.


oh, and about the dillinger escape plan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGQLubr3RQ

Lol. Anal ****. Wonderful joke band.


and btw, i just LOVE when people who have absolute NO knowledge about metal attempt to diminish it. like, they heard one pantera song and two iron maidens and maybe 4 metallicas, bahahaha. jesus. aaaaand btw, system of a down ISNT metal.

It is amusing isn't it? And, I agree, SOAD isn't necessarily metal, but they are heavy, and a damn good band.


oh, and speaking of jazz, you HAVE to check this out
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0AJs9xYwi-Q/TMQPBkDEApI/AAAAAAAAAhs/G2B51ZdL83A/s1600/1247172707_bohren-und-der-club-of-gore.jpg

I will.


gotta love the shrill and screetching <3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6349Q-67eA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzIBI3jkKY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opyVdN8GZtc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ZHajw3-3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pguSt3P5PkI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57pPK9LIa34

Good songs. The Great Southern Trendkill is still my favorite Pantera album.


Even though I'm beginning to feel a bit 'over the heel' (a recent development since appearing at litnet, I must confess a fondness for Metal - though not the extreme nor thrash kind.

If you're to old for metal you're too old for life.

I grew up in the era of Zepplin, Floyd and Purple (actually I was a bit precocious because I had older siblings and friends). Back then the buzzword was simply 'heavy'.

But as I grew more albums appeared im my library like ACDC, Budgie's Never Turn Your Back on a Friend, and gentler stuff like Uriah Heep, King Crimson.

But then something weird happened in 75/6 - The Sex Pistols, The Clash, Souxie and the Banshees - all thses exciting new rock bands that weren't bathed in their own Dinosaur Aura. You had to be there.

It was fresh and alive and it wasn't full of pompous B.S. and poncing on the stage like they were some stupid RockGods.

But Punk as a movement became a fashion as a lot emerged very little of it worth listening to, and it was the hip young new fashion designers that incorporated safetypins and garbage bags and whatnot that cemented its place in the history books.

But I never lost interest in Metal - and the good stuff still appears in my library - like 10000 Days the day it was released.

ROCK ON!

10,000 Days is such a brilliant album. My second favorite Tool album, right behind Aenima.