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blazeofglory
09-29-2010, 10:06 AM
I am a boy and I was shy in my youth-hood. When beautiful girls looked at me I tried to turn away and when they proposed to me for relationships I always tried to avoid their passes at me.

But more often girls behave shyly in fact. Most of boys looked away when boys tried to grab her hands out of love.

I do not know exactly why girls behave more timidly. Is it their hormonal content that makes them shy or any other chemicals at work on her body.

I an sure this forum has great intellectuals, specialists who know this better than me and I and many other members of the forum can indeed learn from them.

I have nothing to say more but to listen to what people have to say here

katelbach
09-29-2010, 10:21 AM
Someone hasn't been to Wigan.

Veho
09-29-2010, 11:31 AM
Someone hasn't been to Wigan.


Lol, or the North West of England in general; myself excluded of course, I'm shy. :blush:

Emil Miller
09-29-2010, 11:32 AM
Someone hasn't been to Wigan.

I don't blame them. Wasn't the last person to go there George Orwell?

katelbach
09-29-2010, 12:16 PM
Last person to WILLINGLY go there.

OrphanPip
09-29-2010, 12:25 PM
I am a boy and I was shy in my youth-hood. When beautiful girls looked at me I tried to turn away and when they proposed to me for relationships I always tried to avoid their passes at me.

But more often girls behave shyly in fact. Most of boys looked away when boys tried to grab her hands out of love.

I do not know exactly why girls behave more timidly. Is it their hormonal content that makes them shy or any other chemicals at work on her body.

I an sure this forum has great intellectuals, specialists who know this better than me and I and many other members of the forum can indeed learn from them.

I have nothing to say more but to listen to what people have to say here

Shyness is a difficult thing to define, especially since it relies heavily on cultural norms. In biological terms, social anxiety is a normal stage in child development, its important that children be anxious about strangers and unknown experiences. It's also a defensive mechanism for adults, in some situations being weary of strangers might be more beneficial than being good at working with others. This is supported by some evidence that has found correlations between excessively aggressive behavior and social anxiety.

Now, the thing is, many people who feel varying levels of social anxiety are very good at hiding it. Cultural factors will determine what levels of anxiety we're allowed to express. In some cultures their is definitely social pressure for girls to act shy towards any sort of romantic advances, while there is a social expectation of boys to act outgoing. This means that shy boys will likely mask their anxiety to a greater degree than girls.

There may be a sex related behavioral difference though, it's just very hard to answer definitively. It is well documented that women are less likely to engage in risky behavior than men, and there are evolutionary reasons why this makes sense, women require a lot more stability and resources to reproduce successfully. Statistically, social anxiety disorder, the psychiatric designation for pathologically severe shyness, in the USA is equally common amongst men and women. A lot of anxiety disorders are more prevalent in women though.

Another important factor here, is that women are simply more choosy about sexual partners. It's a very well documented fact in a large number of studies. There is a male inclination towards promiscuity, because there is a low level of commitment required for a male to reproduce. It makes sense for girls to have a higher level of anxiety when it comes to choosing sexual partners, because they have to be weary about men who will run off after impregnating them. This is a kind of pattern we see throughout nature, a form of intraspecies competition where there are conflicting selective pressures between the interest of males and females (think of the peacock and his garish feathers that make him vulnerable to predators but attractive to females). Perceived shyness of the women in your example is likely an expression of female sexual selectivity.

Emil Miller
09-29-2010, 04:52 PM
I think there is a good deal of common sense in the theory that girls are more inclined to be reticent than boys in the sexual ritual because they don't want to be left holding the baby but, in this day and age when Western States increasingly pick up the tab for unmarried mothers, there may be less of a tendency for females to be shy of the male. The UK is a very good example of this.

papayahed
09-29-2010, 07:53 PM
I think there is a good deal of common sense in the theory that girls are more inclined to be reticent than boys in the sexual ritual because they don't want to be left holding the baby but, in this day and age when Western States increasingly pick up the tab for unmarried mothers, there may be less of a tendency for females to be shy of the male. The UK is a very good example of this.


Just to be clear, you think girls are less shy today because they know they can get welfare?

JuniperWoolf
09-29-2010, 08:46 PM
Just to be clear, you think girls are less shy today because they know they can get welfare?

Yep, that's what he's saying. {EDIT}

Brian: the number of women in the sciences program at both of the universities that I've been to has been over 60%, and that includes the maths (which some men seem to think that women suck at). Compare that to the number of men vs. the number of women who are on welfare or disability. The numbers will be quite close.

OrphanPip
09-29-2010, 09:08 PM
Maybe they're less shy because they are increasingly less likely to be abused, beaten, and exploited by men since they have far more options today than merely being reduced to breeding stock.

Delta40
09-29-2010, 11:56 PM
Does shyness equate to low self esteem? I mean, what the heck does it matter if the government is picking up the tab or women have more rights if you feel so crap about yourself that you stay out of the game?

Maximilianus
09-30-2010, 02:33 AM
I don't see much feminine shyness these days, but I guess it depends on cultural factors, as it has been stated before. I see most girls taking the lead quite easily, at least where I can see them in action.

Emil Miller
09-30-2010, 10:32 AM
Just to be clear, you think girls are less shy today because they know they can get welfare?

Come to the UK and see the commonplace sight of single mothers parading their baby buggies around while others have to work to keep them in food and shelter. Shyness is certainly not one of their noticeable characteristics. As always, it's a question of using your own experience against what you might choose to believe. I don't know what the actual effect of welfare on females is like in the US, and I wouldn't be so arrogant to suggest what goes on there without having experienced it for myself, but I do keep an eye on what goes on over here and, while it is only conjecture, it would not surprise me if a similar situation were to be found elsewhere.

papayahed
09-30-2010, 12:07 PM
Come to the UK and see the commonplace sight of single mothers parading their baby buggies around while others have to work to keep them in food and shelter. Shyness is certainly not one of their noticeable characteristics. As always, it's a question of using your own experience against what you might choose to believe. I don't know what the actual effect of welfare on females is like in the US, and I wouldn't be so arrogant to suggest what goes on there without having experienced it for myself, but I do keep an eye on what goes on over here and, while it is only conjecture, it would not surprise me if a similar situation were to be found elsewhere.

Yeah, they're like feral cats around here.

OrphanPip
09-30-2010, 12:41 PM
In Quebec we have nationalized daycare service with a 5 dollar/day service fee.

The solution to single mothers being forced into welfare isn't to do away with welfare, it's to make it possible for single mothers to be capable of pursuing careers and education while still providing the attention a child needs.

Only like 30% of couples bother to get married around here anyway. It's an archaic institution, one need only be legally bound to one's children not to who you have the child with.

MANICHAEAN
09-30-2010, 01:15 PM
OP
Sounds like Margaret Thatcher and the Child Support Agency in the UK.

When I worked with Italians in Fort McMurry, Alberta, we were informed that if you lived with a woman for one year, she had claim to half your assets (whether in Canada or Roma!)

Is that true? Never seen so many Italians with Canadian girl friends watching the calender with so much fervour.

Vive l'amour!

OrphanPip
09-30-2010, 01:31 PM
OP
Sounds like Margaret Thatcher and the Child Support Agency in the UK.

When I worked with Italians in Fort McMurry, Alberta, we were informed that if you lived with a woman for one year, she had claim to half your assets (whether in Canada or Roma!)

Is that true? Never seen so many Italians with Canadian girl friends watching the calender with so much fervour.

Vive l'amour!

Outside of Quebec, yes, you become considered by the state as common law spouses.

In Quebec, we have a different legal system that's based on that of pre-Revolutionary France. A marriage is considered acivil contract, and has to be notarized by a government official, or a clergy member acting in the name of the provincial government.

Scheherazade
09-30-2010, 06:18 PM
Come to the UK and see the commonplace sight of single mothers parading their baby buggies around while others have to work to keep them in food and shelter. Shyness is certainly not one of their noticeable characteristics. As always, it's a question of using your own experience against what you might choose to believe. I don't know what the actual effect of welfare on females is like in the US, and I wouldn't be so arrogant to suggest what goes on there without having experienced it for myself, but I do keep an eye on what goes on over here and, while it is only conjecture, it would not surprise me if a similar situation were to be found elsewhere.What is the relationship between being not-shy and being a single mother?

I am sure there are couple of shy women out there who ended up having babies too (out of wedlock or not).

Also, why is the blame is flatly placed on the female here? Why is the male of the species not expected to act responsibly and use protection during any physical activity that might lead to increase in population and (since Brian is very worried about this issue) in amount of claims on the welfare system?

Emil Miller
09-30-2010, 06:38 PM
What is the relationship between being not-shy and being a single mother?

I am sure there are couple of shy women out there who ended up having babies too (out of wedlock or not).

Also, why is the blame is flatly placed on the female here? Why is the male of the species not expected to act responsibly and use protection during any physical activity that might lead to increase in population and (since Brian is very worried about this issue) in number of claims on the welfare system?


I agree that some shy women have become pregnant; it was ever thus. However, it is hard to deny that women who know that they will be housed and cared for by the state simply by virtue of becoming pregnant are, generally, going to be less inhibited about doing so.
I couldn't agree more that the irresponsibility of males is equally as blameworthy as that of females in the propagation of offspring that have to be cared for out of the public purse. The natural necessity for male sexual activity should be conducted with responsibility whatever the circumstances.

Scheherazade
09-30-2010, 06:47 PM
The natural necessity for male sexual activity should be conducted with responsibility whatever the circumstances.Oh, of course... That should not be overlooked!

"The natural necessity for male sexual activity" and the natural desire in females to be "housed and cared for by the state simply by virtue of becoming pregnant"!

:svengo:

papayahed
09-30-2010, 07:14 PM
However, it is hard to deny that women who know that they will be housed and cared for by the state simply by virtue of becoming pregnant are, generally, going to be less inhibited about doing so.


Yeah, if this was 1790.

I have to say that I don't know too many women who's goal it is to be housed and cared for by the state.

blazeofglory
10-02-2010, 12:27 AM
Reading different opinions here on the forum I can make out that women are comparatively
less shy these days.

One of the reasons why girls used to be shyer a few decades ago is they were not opened up. Their conservative elders installed in their minds to keep away from boys. If they kind of come near to boys they feel guilty.

One of the reasons why girls, younger ones get shier than adults are they are not used to certain things, maybe had no gone through sexual experiences.

When a girl matures, her body potent and her mind full of passions she becomes shy. Maybe a part of the reasons is their hormonal content. Girls blossom with shyness that make them all the more beautiful.

Pensive
10-02-2010, 03:54 AM
Girls blossom with shyness that make them all the more beautiful.

I yet have to decide which of the following smileys would be more appropriate here:

:lol: or :mad2:

blazeofglory
10-02-2010, 07:23 AM
I yet have to decide which of the following smileys would be more appropriate here:

:lol: or :mad2:

All of them and that make them lovelier. I cannot conceive of a woman for love who cannot become shy or be smiley.