film and literature

[quellundeeah]

now, i am too anxious because of those two. i admire and love them both. literature the suffering sage; film the crying masculine. both in this new century. and something had happened. it cannot be evenly treated or interrelated, and that i have to kill one between the two, even perhaps with regret. please help me. your impression that i need.

[spookymulder93]

Are you asking us whether you should stop watching movies or reading books? Kind of a big decision.

Both have there positives and negatives. A good book is better than a good movie, but a good television show is better than both.

Music is the best though. Cut out bad movies. Cut out boring books. Watch good tv shows. Listen to awesome music from the 60's and 70's especially Pink Floyd, David Bowie, and Iggy and The Stooges.

So it is written. So shall it be done.

[quellundeeah]

i no longer can stomach my love for greats. i am almost fifty. i don't to listen to music now, but film and literature, coma reigns.

[quellundeeah]

can i have some possible truly impression here? you damn readers.

[OrphanPip]

I don't get the question, the enjoyment of any medium is not mutually exclusive from others.

Colour me confused.

[quellundeeah]

how can i love two at the same time?

[stlukesguild]

And I love literature, poetry, classical music, jazz, opera, painting, book arts, sculpture, architecture, and quite a few other things as well.:shocked: I can't imagine wanting or needing to eliminate any of them. I would assume, by way of analogy, that a parent could love all of their children without ever feeling the need to choose between them and kill the others off.:shocked:

[spookymulder93]

Quite easily.

Some people actually love more than one person at the same time so you shouldn't have a problem.

[quellundeeah]

like your parent's love, you don't have two parents.

[stlukesguild]

you don't have two parents

Ummm.....:shocked:

[Desolation]

You have to choose between the two because...?

[LitNetIsGreat]

you don't have two parents

When a man and woman love each other very much...

Seriously though, there is no need to remain exclusive to one medium, the thought is absurd, enjoy all art in all of its forms!

[_Shannon_]

how can i love two at the same time?

Um...because they're inanimate and in no way mutually exclusive. You're 50, you're not dead.

Personally I think you need to go blast some Frank Turner- really loud, then watch a Jim Jarmusch flick, and curl up and read some Kerouac.

[stlukesguild]

Personally I think you need to go blast some Frank Turner- really loud, then watch a Jim Jarmusch flick, and curl up and read some Kerouac.

That's enough to make one give up music, film, and reading.:shocked:

[Persuasion]

Literature and movies they enhance each others, complete each other. You see the characters of the novels walking, breathing, talking with colors and sounds :)

[Desolation]

Personally I think you need to go blast some Frank Turner- really loud, then watch a Jim Jarmusch flick, and curl up and read some Kerouac.

That's enough to make one give up music, film, and reading.:shocked:
You don't like Kerouac, lukes? I guess I can understand why you might not like his prose. Still, you gotta hand it to the guy, his rebellious attitude and frequent citation of classic works is probably responsible for more young folks getting into classic literature than any other author of the post-war generation. Almost everyone that I've ever met who likes classic lit started with Jack.

[DonovanTalbot]

I love both mediums but between the two, literature demands more time from the individual unless you're a speed reader. Because a film basically runs between 80-105 minutes on average I guestimate, sometimes shorter and sometimes epically longer.

But really I don't think there should be any conflict between the two unless the individual doesn't have whole lot of spare time to enjoy both where the situation becomes sacrificial.

[_Shannon_]

Personally I think you need to go blast some Frank Turner- really loud, then watch a Jim Jarmusch flick, and curl up and read some Kerouac.

That's enough to make one give up music, film, and reading.:shocked:

:biggrinjester: I have more refined, tastes, too--but sometimes it's good to remember that we're alive and get some blood pumping.

[stlukesguild]

So are you equating a taste for something more "refined"... ie. good music, film, and literature... with being dead?:shocked::confused5:

[spookymulder93]

Refined music is the best. I mean Master of Puppets has got to be one of the most beautifully arranged pieces of all time.

[OrphanPip]

So are you equating a taste for something more "refined"... ie. good music, film, and literature... with being dead?:shocked::confused5:

Give it up, you've been a zombie all this time and everyone knows it!

[_Shannon_]

So are you equating a taste for something more "refined"... ie. good music, film, and literature... with being dead?:shocked::confused5:

Nooooo...I am equating different things for different seasons of our life, and sometimes Proust just won't do. Sometimes it's good to just get down, and dirty and drink some cheap wine, which has it's own aesthetic. I've had way more fun at any Pietasters show than I have ever had at the symphony....but I am not moved in the same way by dancing to ska music as I am by Mahler. Different types of music, literature, art, food, drink, film---stretch us and kick our butts in different ways. Some are soul expanding, some are a good reminder that we even just have a soul in the first place.

Too many grown ups have abandoned having fun. Everything is all Very Serious and Very Important. It's good to just slum it sometimes and take it all (and oneself) a little less seriously. :party:

[Heteronym]

You don't like Kerouac, lukes? I guess I can understand why you might not like his prose. Still, you gotta hand it to the guy, his rebellious attitude and frequent citation of classic works is probably responsible for more young folks getting into classic literature than any other author of the post-war generation.

In his 'rebellious attitude', he voted for Einsenhower, supported the military intervention in the 'Nam, was probably a racist, and most certainly was sexist. Bonnie Bremser’s Troia is a fine account of how the beats treated women, going so low as to prostitute their own wifes to score money for drugs. Truly remarkable human beings the beats.

If people can't find better reasons to read the classics than to imitate their idols, so be it. But if Kerouack is the role model of rebellion for youths nowadays, it's no wonder the revolutionary spirit is at an all-time low nowdays. Once upon a time youths were inspired by Bakunin, Nechaev, Kropotkin, even Che, real men of the world. Now they're inspired by slackers who want to life free of responsabilities to their fellow men.


Almost everyone that I've ever met who likes classic lit started with Jack.

I didn't start with Mr. Kerouac.

[joebob]

Refined music is the best. I mean Master of Puppets has got to be one of the most beautifully arranged pieces of all time.

dear god i hope you're joking

[_Shannon_]

. Now they're inspired by slackers who want to life free of responsabilities to their fellow men.



.That might be an oversimplification. You know it's not like there were any struggles with how to make sense of humanity in the wake of WWII and the dawn of the nuclear age or anything....

[Scheherazade]

Almost everyone that I've ever met who likes classic lit started with Jack.A rather hasty assumption.

I think you need to meet more people! :p

[Desolation]

In his 'rebellious attitude', he voted for Einsenhower, supported the military intervention in the 'Nam, was probably a racist, and most certainly was sexist. Bonnie Bremser’s Troia is a fine account of how the beats treated women, going so low as to prostitute their own wifes to score money for drugs. Truly remarkable human beings the beats.

If people can't find better reasons to read the classics than to imitate their idols, so be it. But if Kerouack is the role model of rebellion for youths nowadays, it's no wonder the revolutionary spirit is at an all-time low nowdays. Once upon a time youths were inspired by Bakunin, Nechaev, Kropotkin, even Che, real men of the world. Now they're inspired by slackers who want to life free of responsabilities to their fellow men.

I didn't start with Mr. Kerouac.
Well, yeah, the real Jack Kerouac was a fat, Catholic reactionary. That doesn't really take anything away from what he expresses in On the Road and Dharma Bums, though. The real person behind the works is often a disappointment, but you have to separate them and their art. Peter Kropotkin, for instance, was a prince that was pretty far separated from the real world, and detractors often argue that his high place in society takes away from the credibility of his anarcho-communist philosophy (I don't agree, by the way).

You're on the internet, so you don't count :prrr: Hanging out mostly in punk rock and hippie circles probably has a lot to do with the Kerouac connection, in all fairness.

[quellundeeah]

thank you fellows. though it is already dead in me. but i said thank you.

[Heteronym]

Well, yeah, the real Jack Kerouac was a fat, Catholic reactionary. That doesn't really take anything away from what he expresses in On the Road and Dharma Bums, though.

Of course it does. What he expresses is the freedom to live a selfish life and treat others like garbage without fear of consequences. It's the philosophy of instant, unrestrained gratification.


The real person behind the works is often a disappointment, but you have to separate them and their art. Peter Kropotkin, for instance, was a prince that was pretty far separated from the real world, and detractors often argue that his high place in society takes away from the credibility of his anarcho-communist philosophy (I don't agree, by the way).

The thing with detractors is that they will hold anything against someone they hate. I've read a right-wing thinker using Bertrand Russell's talent for lucid writing as an argument to hold against this amazing philosopher.

A man can't choose to be born in aristocracy. But some, like Kropotkin, can choose to abandon it, and abandon the Catholic faith that they were brought up with, as becomes a true anarchist. A man is worth his ideas, and Kropotkin's, for anyone who's read his work, are quite lucid. He was a great historian and social critic, he believed that mankind could be improved, he pionereed cultural relativism before Franz Boas even coined the term, and participated in many congresses and unions to promote changes in social. Many of the labor rights we still enjoy today were gained thanks to people like Kropotkin, who organised and showed workers how to fight for them. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him for his aristocratic birth.