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Kyriakos
07-01-2010, 05:19 PM
The Doppelganger is a german word, which should mean the "double" (i have read various translations that present different meanings) but it is used to signify a double identity, and moreover that seperate second identity being in the spitirual realm, or at least distinctly seperate from the person.
It has been used, either consciously or unconsciously as a thematology in literature. A good example is De Maupassant's "The Horla", at least in its first two variations (there exist three variations of that story, and the last makes the Horla a clearly supernatural being, which however does not appear to be part of the narrator in any way).

Another, even earlier, doppelganger story of sorts is Gogol's "The nose", where a person loses his nose, and later on finds out that this part of his body has taken a life of its own, and now actively antagonises him. But this appears to be a more humorous story, and perhaps not that deeply in the dark realm that the doppelganger theme is ussually associated with.

Another story i have read, by a contemporary author (you wouldnt know him because currently he only publishes in maganizes of the genre) is one where an artist's creation takes a life of its own, and finally kills the creator, after first removing parts of him to use as his own.

I have been meaning to write a doppelganger story myself :) In fact i have an experience, which obviously was a hallucination one night when i was very tired and entirely sunk in my world of thoughts. After hours of trying to write a story (this was back when i was still a student of philosophy and literature) i finally gave up. First i had my eyes closed for a while, although i didnt mean to imagine anything else.
I was living, at the time, in an apartment in central London. It had nothing special, apart from the fact that above the towering door there stood a window, which was eternally closed. This had made an impression on me, since in my homeland such windows above doors are not ussual, but i gathered that it was there so as to allow air to reach the house, and it was so high up so that thieves could not make use of it.
So that night, without any reason, after opening my eyes, while still sitting in front of my writing table, i glanced at that window. At first i couldnt udnerstand why, but i felt fear. It took some seconds for me to realise why this was happening, since behind the window there was a face. It was familiar in a way, but terrifying none the less, it was my own face, but altered, with a fixed demonic look, and it was staring at me.

I decided to close my eyes again, and move as far away from thinking about that accursed sight as i could. Luckily i managed to achieve this, and when i looked again nothing was there :)

But i still remember that occurence. I do remember that i thought, while still staring at the apparition, that if it was to stand up and be seen from there, it should possess a nighmarishly long body. For a reason which i havent examined yet, this seemed to be the scariest thought at that moment :)

Kyriakos
07-02-2010, 06:56 AM
Hopefully i didnt scare anyone :D

And to think that i was contemplating also including a maccabre image to go with that ;)

de Renal
07-13-2010, 06:28 AM
I know what you're talking about, I had similar experiences myself. I think the human subconscious is a powerful thing and usually acts when we least expect it to.
In my opinion, every person has its alter ego, which explains why we do things we normally wouldn't.
I don't believe that things happen for a reason, but we make them happen ourselves - probably because we supress our thoughts on things we don't find important in everyday life. We produce them, store them, and forget about them, but they are somewhere in our head, right?
You should try to write about your experience(s), and see what the effects would be.
The Doppelganger is common motive in literature, sometimes used exclusively for entertainment. Try to read (if you haven't) The Devil's Elixiers by E.T.A. Hoffmann, great novel on the subject. Also, R.L. Stevenson wrote about Doctor Jackyll and Mr. Hyde where the doctor uses chemistry to turn into someone else, but I think the emphasis is on the question: how good do we know ourselves really?

Darcy101
07-13-2010, 06:49 AM
someone once wrote "the face we show the world is the one we feel is most expectable to all" (not an exact quote) i sometimes think the more of ourselves we keep hidden from others but particularly from ourselves the more frightening and demonic are doppelganger becomes.!!

Kyriakos
07-14-2010, 09:06 AM
:)

I have read most of the Devil's Elixiers years ago, but i will re-read it since i do not recall almost anything from it, apart from the fact that i found it to be very interesting.
Eta Hoffmann is my favourite german writer, but sometimes in my view his style can be difficult. The Sandman is probably my favourite story of his. :devil:

de Renal
07-14-2010, 09:25 AM
Oh, it's difficult definitely :D
While reading The Devil's Elixirs, I had to draw the family tree just to figure out who is who :D
Read it again, and don't give up in the middle, I promise you - it's worth it!

cgrillo
07-14-2010, 10:33 AM
A good story involving a doppelganger is Edgar Allan Poe's "William Wilson." It basically follows a boy attending an academy who encounters another boy with the same name, same appearance, and same birthdate. The doppelganger soon begins to dress and talk like the narrator. Several events involving the doppelganger follow, leading up to one final encounter.

It's an interesting story that you can ponder over and analyze for a long time after reading it.

de Renal
07-15-2010, 04:57 AM
A good story involving a doppelganger is Edgar Allan Poe's "William Wilson." It basically follows a boy attending an academy who encounters another boy with the same name, same appearance, and same birthdate. The doppelganger soon begins to dress and talk like the narrator. Several events involving the doppelganger follow, leading up to one final encounter.

It's an interesting story that you can ponder over and analyze for a long time after reading it.

Thank you for the suggestion - I've never read that one before!

Kyriakos
07-15-2010, 08:03 AM
Neither did i :)

But i must have it somewhere, since i have most of Poe's work..

JBI
07-15-2010, 11:19 AM
I was of the mind that the doppelganger was a device, not the story, for instance, The Man of the Crowd by Edgar Allen Poe, or Stepenwolf by Herman Hesse. The notion that it is an object of the "darker" elements of human identity is not true - it just shows a fragmented rejection of the self - Poe's narrators generally see opposites in Doppelgangers, for instance, whereas Hesse's narrator creates the division of himself by beginning to acknowledge the wider range of his subconscious identity (he embraces, for instance, the feminized version of himself, as well as the artistic element, and destructive element), likewise Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide, perhaps the most famous of the stories, is about the aspects of good and evil in humanity, rather than a darker subconscious haunting the conditioned aspect of the self.

That being said, feel free to write your story, but there really isn't a "doppelganger" story, as there are many different uses and implications of a doppelganger character. There is a big difference between Maupassant, and Twelfth Night, for instance.


And if you do write it, just a suggestion, take it easy on the relative clauses, as they may break the suspense/coherency of the work - damaging what Poe termed the "Effect" of the story, which he thought central to the type of tale you are trying to create. (see his "Philosophy of Composition")

Kyriakos
07-15-2010, 12:03 PM
I think that there is no need to narrow down what a doppelganger is. Any story about a double can be seen as one, be it a physical, somatic double, a psychical one, or both. ;)

As for writing the story, many different styles work, again i think you are limiting your view without any reason to. Poe is a good writer, but he isnt the only one who can write a story :)

de Renal
07-16-2010, 04:52 AM
Neither did i :)

But i must have it somewhere, since i have most of Poe's work..

just in case you didn't find it :)

http://www.online-literature.com/poe/47/

Kyriakos
07-16-2010, 10:50 AM
Thank you De Renal,

I found it in one of the books i have of him in Greek. I'll get to read it sometime :)

JBI
07-16-2010, 11:11 AM
I think that there is no need to narrow down what a doppelganger is. Any story about a double can be seen as one, be it a physical, somatic double, a psychical one, or both. ;)

As for writing the story, many different styles work, again i think you are limiting your view without any reason to. Poe is a good writer, but he isnt the only one who can write a story :)

That isn't what I meant - about bringing Poe up, that was just a masked comment about your penchant for tail-heavy sentences and rather long parenthetical digressions. I was just trying to stress that when you go about writing your story, you may want to keep the sentences shorter, as things can get kind of confusing with so much prepositional jumping. No offense, but in your original post some of the ideas remind me of a Beckett narrator by the name of Maloy, who, coincidentally, has been read as a doppelganger of Moran.

Kyriakos
07-16-2010, 11:42 AM
A bit misleading to judge how i write from my use of english ;)
I write in my native language. But this is becomming way too off-topic..