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MANICHAEAN
06-15-2010, 05:56 AM
We have in the West a somewhat jaundiced perspective of what, in large parts of Asia constitutes an "arranged marriage". I thought it therefore interesting, (if not intriguing!), to explore the pros and cons of such an institution, especially outside of the regions where it is the norm. If you are, for example a typical, single, Indian man who lives in the USA, Canada or the UK the time will come when it will dawn on you that the only real chance you have to conform to your cultural traditions & indulge in wedded bliss lies in the hallowed institution of the aforsaid "arranged marriage". You may or may not know the country where your parents were born. You may or may not have had the experience of spending part of your childhood there. Whichever it is, you have been out of touch with the non Western Indian female population & are now obliged to explore it again.

The first question that must be asked is: "Does one need a beautiful wife?" Beauty is a double edged sword. It has its advantages and disadvantages, some of which I summarize below.

The advantages of having a beautiful wife:

1. A beautiful girl is much easier to adjust to than an unattractive one. You will be much more tolerant of her faults during the initial "adjustment" phase of marriage, simply because you will not have the heart to get irritated with someone so lovely. She will be much easier to forgive after a fight.

2. A beautiful wife enhances your social stature. People will look atyou and think, "How the #&% did that !@$## land such a gorgeous babe? He must have something that is not visible on the outside!" You will get invited to more parties, especially by men who want to spend the evening drooling at her.

3. And most importantly, sex will be much better if your wife is good looking. Otherwise, after a couple of years when the pent-up horniness of the past 25years has worn off, you probably will not be even able to get it up, unless you resort to the somewhat dubious & perverse tactic of fantasizing about a Bollywood hottie when you are in bed.

The disadvantages of having a beautiful wife:

1. If you are one of those for whom; innocence, virtue, and chastity are important, beautiful women are not for you. While beauty (or the lack of it) in a woman is in no way indicative of her intelligence, beautiful women are invariably very street-smart. They know that they are good looking, and have got used to people bending over backwards to accommodate them. As a teenager in college, a beautiful woman would have had lots of men vying with each other for her friendship and affections. She would have had to be more than human not to have enjoyed the attention. She would have played the men one against the other, as women have done since time immemorial. She might have dated and even had affairs. In the process, she would get to know men all too well, and would realise that they are but putty in the hands of a good-looking woman.

2. A good-looking woman is more than a match for the average young star struck aspiring young man. She will twist you around her little finger and make you jump through hoops. Things will get done her way.

3. A beautiful woman is unlikely to be particularly virtuous or righteous. But that is okay, since too much virtue goes hand-in-hand with rather undesirable traits. A virtuous woman may also be; boring, hyper-religious or cold between thes sheets. Having said that I always remember the line in "Schlindlers List" where it is said that "Oscar Schlindler was the type of man that would drive a wife to religion"

4. A beautiful woman is more likely to "stray" after marriage.The fact that a woman is married does not make her off-limits to would-be Casanovas. The more lovely a woman is, the more likely is she to be propositioned by her male colleagues or friends. Ergo, she is subject to much more temptation than her homely counterparts. Think about this ....how would it be if women kept asking you, a man, to make love to them? How many times would you refuse?

Which brings me to how to go about selecting a beautiful wife.

First of all there is the matter of mentioning it to your parents. Here is a very important tip.....do not leave bride-hunting to your parents! Beauty is going to be the last of their priorities, coming after: caste, horoscopes, family background, percieved virtue of the girl etc.

Another unpalatable fact is that your mother will not want you to marry someone too beautiful. This often comes as a surprise to most sons, but the reason is simple. Mothers know that, sooner or later, there will be a tussle between her and her daughter-in-law over her son's affections and loyalties.

Another thing. Before you start on your bride hunting, you should convince yourself that you deserve a beautiful wife. Do not ever think, "But I am not so good looking anyway, what right have I to demand a lovely girl?" Since man started walking the earth, it has been the man's wealth that has been traded off for the woman's beauty. Rest assured that your looks will be the last thing on a girl's mind when she rates you as a prospective husband.

Now what about how to check whether she is beautiful.

First of all never consent to marry a girl whom you have seen only in photographs. PHOTOGRAPH'S LIE!!!!!!!!! Many of the pictures are blatent forgeries, involving splicing the girl's head onto the figure of some other girl, sometimes professional models.

Once you see the girl directly, you can easily check whether her face measures up.

The figure is a different matter altogether. Women have conducted more research into packaging themselves than have been conducted on the entire US space effort.So, if she seems to have a liking for loose, flowing sarees keep your mind open to the possibility that she might be overweight.

That fold of the sari draped oh-so-elegantly across her midriff might be concealing a mother of all paunches. If it iswound demurely around her back, she probably has spare tyres.

Does she walk slowly and sedately, like an old Spanish galleon making its way across the seas? She is probably holding her paunch in.

Subtly hint that you would liketo see her in western clothes. If she refuses flat-out, then you can be sure that she is hiding something.

If she has a good figure, she will make damned sure that you see it.

GOOD HUNTING!

dafydd manton
06-15-2010, 06:02 AM
it's extraordinarily kind of you, old boy, and I do appreciate your concern (leaving aside the rather shallow 21st century obsession with sex), but my wife IS beautifully arranged, in every possible and minute detail. Nice of you to ask, though.

MANICHAEAN
06-15-2010, 06:24 AM
You are most welcome old chap & may I be one of many to congratulate you on your marital bliss. I was however, as I'm sure you ascertained, attempting a light hearted focus on those who are yet to approach this venerable arrangement.

Lokasenna
06-15-2010, 07:00 AM
You say that the concept of arranged marriage is viewed suspisciously in the West, and I'm afraid that I think the rest of your post explains why - it does come across as rather mysogenistic! I think it's meant in a lighthearted, non-serious way? At least, I hope so.

Beauty is an added bonus, but surely the secret to a successful marriage is the harmony of personality? Your wife isn't some trophy/sex toy to parade in front of others, she should be an intimate companion of your life's adventure. Furthermore, some of your generalisations are rather provocative - all beautiful women have street smarts?

As someone who has previously dated on the basis of looks, I can say that you can be letting yourself in for a nightmare - personality is so much more important, which is why I believe that a marriage requires the mutual trust of both parties to be a success.

papayahed
06-15-2010, 07:28 AM
:(:banghead:


You say that the concept of arranged marriage is viewed suspisciously in the West, and I'm afraid that I think the rest of your post explains why - it does come across as rather mysogenistic! I think it's meant in a lighthearted, non-serious way? At least, I hope so.

Agreed and you've said it so much nicer then I could have. I only made it through the first couple of lines without having to stop.

blazeofglory
06-15-2010, 07:48 AM
Your views are outsiders' and you cannot stereotype them. Beautiful women can be modest, not necessarily always street smart and ugly can be conniving. Most arranged beautiful wives become successful and faithful wives in keeping home in harmony. Arranged marriage is a norm in the east and those living in the west even the second-generation of them too opt for arranged marriage. Your ideas are unsupported by facts but manufactured by your imagination and unless and until you in that culture all else will be an opinionated idea

MANICHAEAN
06-15-2010, 09:25 AM
Hansnu hos!

motherhubbard
06-15-2010, 09:26 AM
I couldn't help but think of this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NF5XU-k2Vk

I enjoyed your advice

OrphanPip
06-15-2010, 02:33 PM
I enjoyed your advice

Haha, I prefer the advice in this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGXa3FiXKM

Scheherazade
06-15-2010, 06:55 PM
I couldn't help but think of this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NF5XU-k2VkStarted humming this song to myself as soon as I read the thread title! :D

Anyway, I am just wondering... If anyone would feel terribly flattered if their partner told them their attraction was purely based on their personality/intellect and so on...

To be perfectly honest, I know my vanity would be (more than) a little shaken if someone I chose as a partner would claim that they did not find me physically attractive but that they were only interested in my personality (however flattering and essential that would be).

Annamariah
06-15-2010, 07:37 PM
Anyway, I am just wondering... If anyone would feel terribly flattered if their partner told them their attraction was purely based on their personality/intellect and so on...

To be perfectly honest, I know my vanity would be (more than) a little shaken if someone I chose as a partner would claim that they did not find me physically attractive but that they were only interested in my personality (however flattering and essential that would be).

Well, I don't think it's an "either or" between looks and personality, it's the whole package that matters. But I still think that personality is the more important one of the two.

Anyway, I've also noticed that I like the appearance of almost all the people I like. It's not that I'd only choose to be friends with goodlooking people, but that when I know someone and like them, I start to see their best sides appearance-wise too. A nice personality can make a person look more beautiful than their face and body really is, and an ugly personality can destroy pretty looks to me.

(And that first post - I really hope it was a joke...)

prendrelemick
06-16-2010, 01:11 AM
I often remind my wife I didn't marry her for her mind, a compliment she loves to hear.

Marriage is a partnership, you're searching for a partner

dafydd manton
06-16-2010, 05:06 AM
I often remind my wife I didn't marry her for her mind, a compliment she loves to hear.

Marriage is a partnership, you're searching for a partner

You are a brave man, Sir.:thumbsup:

billl
06-16-2010, 05:27 AM
I couldn't help but think of this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NF5XU-k2Vk

I enjoyed your advice


Haha, I prefer the advice in this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGXa3FiXKM

I like this guy's opinion. But, is that his real wife in the video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TojTlYNNm9w

TurquoiseSunset
06-16-2010, 10:59 AM
Anyway, I've also noticed that I like the appearance of almost all the people I like. It's not that I'd only choose to be friends with goodlooking people, but that when I know someone and like them, I start to see their best sides appearance-wise too. A nice personality can make a person look more beautiful than their face and body really is, and an ugly personality can destroy pretty looks to me.

I'm the same way!! :D

Olga4real
06-16-2010, 11:41 AM
I like this thread MANICHAEAN!
Mostly I agree with you I only want to add two thoughts to your post:

1. Beauty is relative to someone the same person is beautiful to the other just an average.

2. Since I am a woman I am wondering what would you say about handsome men?

motherhubbard
06-16-2010, 03:33 PM
Haha, I prefer the advice in this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGXa3FiXKM

Good choice.



Anyway, I am just wondering... If anyone would feel terribly flattered if their partner told them their attraction was purely based on their personality/intellect and so on...

To be perfectly honest, I know my vanity would be (more than) a little shaken if someone I chose as a partner would claim that they did not find me physically attractive but that they were only interested in my personality (however flattering and essential that would be).

I'm with you on this.

Annamariah
06-16-2010, 03:57 PM
I'm the same way!! :D

I knew I couldn't be the only one! :D Really, there is something beautiful in pretty much everyone, it's just that not everyone notices it.

Emil Miller
06-16-2010, 03:57 PM
Think about this ....how would it be if women kept asking you, a man, to make love to them? How many times would you refuse?


Never! A gentleman will always go to the aid of a damsel in distress.

JBI
06-16-2010, 04:51 PM
That is misogyny if I have ever seen it; you treat women as a commodity, and the double edged sword is that she may somehow have a personality and feelings of her own. IF you wonder why the west views this with suspicion, it is because it is a bit disgusting, from our perspective.

For instance, before the law change allowing for women to divorce their husbands without proving they had been abandoned outright, women were only divorced, they never divorced, and the divorce rate was low. That changed, and you have conservative idiots claiming that now the world is destroyed because women are leaving their husbands.

Seriously, the reason why Canada, the US, or Europe finds this suspicious, if not deplorable, is because it is deplorable - an arranged marriage where people set you up, so that you can meet people, and perhaps find someone you were looking for is one thing - that has its merits, and I guess works for some people - but "getting a beautiful wife and making sure she doesn't have a paunch?

I know the post was completely ironic, and downright comedic, but the sad thing is, that sort of stuff actually happens.

NikolaiI
06-18-2010, 11:18 AM
:(:banghead:



Agreed and you've said it so much nicer then I could have. I only made it through the first couple of lines without having to stop.

Agree completely and utterly Papayahed- I didn't read top-down but skimmed a little bit and also couldn't read more.

3 things to say - Beauty is the NORM.

Beauty is subjective (I have found that I find nearly everyone to be beautiful, and sometimes a girl my friends thought "plain"-looking to be one of the most beautiful people I've ever met.

The most important thing is inner-beauty, personality - our actions shape what our physical appearance is after all. If you clear enough misperceptions about people, yourself, and the universe, you will begin to see that inner beauty and outer beauty actually correspond, and to say it is a cliche is just a rejection of something you probably don't yet understand.

Um, a simple example of this is to examine someone who doesn't take care of himself or herself - physically, emotionally, spiritually. If they don't take care of themselves physically (drink, smoke, whatever) it is quite likely they will not take care of themselves emotionally either.


I knew I couldn't be the only one! :D Really, there is something beautiful in pretty much everyone, it's just that not everyone notices it.

I wrote my post before I really read any others but Papaya's... Cool to see your thoughts, Comedian.

Scheherazade
06-18-2010, 12:10 PM
I wrote my post before I really read any others but Papaya's... Cool to see your thoughts, Comedian.That's not The Comedian but Annamariah.

NikolaiI
06-18-2010, 12:55 PM
That's not The Comedian but Annamariah.

Oh God! :p lol You are right... :p

Oh, and..
1. Beauty is relative to someone the same person is beautiful to the other just an average.

I just understood this.



Anyway, I've also noticed that I like the appearance of almost all the people I like. It's not that I'd only choose to be friends with goodlooking people, but that when I know someone and like them, I start to see their best sides appearance-wise too. A nice personality can make a person look more beautiful than their face and body really is, and an ugly personality can destroy pretty looks to me.

I think this explains what I meant to say better.

I believe you can see in a person's face a lot of who they are usually. If someone is the kind of person who lets their anger get control of them a lot, or easily, and they hurt others a lot, often you can see it in their face... Or failing that, you can see it in the first few interactions.

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I believe with all my heart that emotions and personality have the biggest effect on physical appearance as well. Consider several examples - someone who is kind, patient, self-assured, their smiles are also kind and gracious, and that is attractive. Also, someone who is confident, who is graceful, who has energy - Their spirit and personality is who they are after all. And it is the quality and nature of their personality and spirit which shapes and creates their body. These graceful ones are the people I find to be truly beautiful.

Annamariah
06-18-2010, 02:06 PM
That's not The Comedian but Annamariah.

Sorry!

Nikolai, I stole Thlayli during the steal an avatar weekend and The Comedian promised I could keep his avatar for a while :lol:

NikolaiI
06-18-2010, 02:38 PM
Sorry!

Nikolai, I stole Thlayli during the steal an avatar weekend and The Comedian promised I could keep his avatar for a while :lol:

Haha.. No need to apologize - I know you did as I saw you with it a few times. But I just saw it and thought it was the Comedian :p