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Miss Owl
04-26-2010, 04:13 PM
Hi guys. =D

So, I had to read White Noise by Don DeLillo for my English class and now I have to write a paper on it. I picked Murray's movie car crashes to write about, and I have to explain the symbolism in the passage, and the cultural significance - that is, what it says about American culture. Basically I have to pick it apart.

I'm sure I'll have no problem writing the paper once I understand things a little better, but right now I don't really understand all of the symbolism that well. So far, I'm thinking Murray's views on car crashes as positive are reflective of how Americans can find entertainment in disaster by distancing themselves from it - i.e. It's on the TV and happening somewhere else, so it's can't hurt me.

But this is really all I've got. I'm hoping someone could discuss it with me so maybe I can gain some more insight into what all is really behind this passage.




"How is your car crash seminar progressing?"
"We've looked at hundreds of crash sequences. Cars with cars. Cars with trucks. Trucks with buses. Motorcycles with cars. Cars with helicopters. Trucks with trucks. My students think these movies are prophetic. They mark the suicide wish of technology. The drive to suicide, the hurtling rush to suicide."
"What do you say to them?"
"These are mainly B-movies, TV movies, rural drive-in movies. I tell my students not to look for apocalypse in such places. I see these car crashes as part of a long tradition of American optimism. They are positive events, full of the old 'can-do' spirit. Each car crash is meant to be better than the last. There is a constant upgrading of tools and skills, a meeting of challenges. A director says, 'I need this flatbed truck to do a midair double somersault that produces an orange ball of fire with a thirty-six-foot diameter, which the cinematographer will use to light the scene.' I tell my students if they want to bring technology into it, they have to take this into account, this tendency toward grandiose deeds, toward pursuing a dream."
"A dream? How do your students reply?"
"Just the way you did. 'A dream?' All that blood and glass, that screeching rubber. What about the sheer waste, the sense of a civilization in a state of decay?"
"What about it?" I said.
"I tell them it's not decay they are seeing but innocence. The movie breaks away from complicated human passions to show us something elemental, something fiery and loud and head-on. It's a conservative wish-fulfillment, a yearning for naivete. We want to be artless again. We want to reverse the flow of experience, of worldliness and its responsibilities. My students say, 'Look at the crushed bodies, the severed limbs. What kind of innocence is this?'"
"What do you say to that?"
"I tell them they can't think of a car crash in a movie as a violent act. It's a celebration. A reaffirmation of traditional values and beliefs. I connect car crashes to holidays like Thanksgiving and the Fourth. We don't mourn the dead or rejoice in miracles. These are days of secular optimism, of self-celebration. We will improve, prosper, perfect ourselves. Watch any car crash in any American movie. It is a high-spirited moment like old-fashioned stunt flying, walking on wings. The people who stage these crashes are able to capture a lightheartedness, a carefree enjoyment that car crashes in foreign movies can never approach."
"Look past the violence."
"Exactly. Look past the violence, Jack. There is a wonderful brimming spirit of innocence and fun."

Dodo25
04-26-2010, 06:34 PM
Hi, I haven't read that book, but I'll give it a shot. I like the passage a lot.

What makes this passage so interesting is that it goes completely against intuition. Instead of 'technology's suicide wish', Murray (if that's his name) sees the development towards ever more exciting car crashes as 'pursuing a dream'. It's not about the actual thing anymore, it's about pursuing something and trying to perfect it, going for the ultimate crash.

Then the next contrast is interesting too, blood, glass and screeching rubber compared with innocence. Murray states that it meets a yearning for simplicity. No complicated movies with feelings and stuff, just pure forces acting on the cars as they explode and break apart. It's escapism.

Today for example, I have lots of things to do on my labtop, and since I'm multi-tasking I want to watch some tv too. But I can't pay enough attention to get a complicated movie, that's why I'm happy to watch some action movie with a horrible plot. If that made sense..

The last paragraph is difficult. I think it's again 'not about the actual thing anymore'. Hence the comparison to thanksgiving. He sees it as a tradition that has emerged, and most of these typically American movies symbolize values like freedom (driving through the streets, no rules, no responsibilities) and bravery. Hence a celebration of these values in form of awesome car crashes.

I hope it helped, good luck with your essay. I'ma go youtube 'car crashes helicopter' or something like that, this passage really makes me want to watch some of those scenes :)

Miss Owl
04-26-2010, 06:51 PM
Thank you Dodo, what you said was very helpful! You're very insightful. It was funny that you mentioned the passage as being "not about the actual thing anymore" because the book is Postmodernist and from what tiny bit I understand from my professor, that's a pretty common theme in Postmodernism. For example, there is a passage where Jack and Murray go to see "the most photographed barn in America." There are so many signs and so much hype about it being the most photographed barn, that Murray says that "no one sees the barn," and that "they are taking pictures of taking pictures." I'm sure this is a metaphor for something, but I'm not sure what. That's what I always have trouble with. xD

Anyway, you really helped to explain some things for me and I appreciate it.

Dodo25
04-26-2010, 07:06 PM
You're very welcome.

I kinda had to learn to interpret text excerpts without reading the full book because I always need to do that in school. I rarely read the books we're supposed to read (because I want to read other ones), and the teacher keeps asking me to interpret passages..

The book sounds like fun, I haven't read any postmodernism yet, I have a negative feeling about it because there's also postmodernism in philosophy, and that is awful stuff nobody understands (literally nobody, I'd say not even the people who write it). But again the book seems interesting..

No helicopter-car crashes on youtube by the way, I saw some explosive car crashes though. But to be honest, I got tired of it pretty quickly..


Anyway, I'm glad I could help you,
have a nice evening.

Miss Owl
04-26-2010, 07:20 PM
I read most of White Noise, but... thank God for SparkNotes! =D

I kind of doubt a ton of people understand Postmodernist literature either. My professor does, obviously, but he's spent years studying the book and he's an odd one anyway. I was reading reviews for it online and it got a ton of bad reviews from people who didn't understand it, or people who did and just thought it was bad, or too vague. Personally I don't really think it's bad, but if it's this hard to understand, is it really effective? Of course, just because I don't understand it doesn't mean it's vague, but I have a feeling I'm not the only one. I certainly hope not, anyway. =)

You could always look for episodes of Most Shocking or Most Daring. Those always have at least a few good high-speed chases if not explosions. =D

Thanks again. :]

Dodo25
04-26-2010, 07:30 PM
haha yeah sparknotes is awesome!
Have you heard of the book 'Ulysses' by James Joyce? I've only heard things of it, it has got to be the most complicated book ever written, in a weird way I think it's cool, but I'd never read it.. Too much pain..

Yeah I prefer 'simpler' literature too. It should still make you think, that's for sure, but not so that you have to read every passage multiple times just to get a vague feeling of what on earth it is about..

And thanks for the car chase suggestions.

Brad Coelho
05-04-2010, 07:33 PM
Well the novel really ties in consumerism w/ social neurosis, paranoia & death. Murray's slant on television w/ shades of optimism challenge Gladney a bit, almost as a representation of how to embrace death as opposed to fearing it- looking past it. Rejoicing in adrenaline & raw entertainment in its most superficially pleasing moment; shunting the anxiety of consequence.

Gladney's professional concept, the Hitler studies, were also pointed out to be a tangential vehicle that was conjured to assuage the fear of death. Needless to say, it was an unsuccessful one.

Delillo's consumerist commentaries even link the grocery line towards an imaginery death march, so I'd advise you to feather that element through your analysis.