Avatar Duel

[BienvenuJDC]

Here is your chance to vote for an Avatar...

Let this be a fair fight...

Gibbs vs Nietzche

http://silverfoxes.provocateuse.com/images/photos/mark_harmon_01.jpg


http://filosofiastoria.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/nietzsche_portrait1.jpg

[cgrillo]

I voted for Gibbs, because I find Nietzsche (the guy) to be sort of creepy.

No offense to Nietzche (the user) though. :D

[Nietzsche]

You should use a modified black and white photo to make it a fair duel.

also,
you still are faced with the problem of not having a sword so you can't duel. You also don't have a mustache.

http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/images/10006123-r.jpg

[BienvenuJDC]

Here is the mustache:
http://manolomen.com/images/Mark%20Harmon%20in%20stache.jpg

And who brings a sword to a gun fight?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l291/ckatwoman_h/Gibbs/Gunn-y/GibbsGun8.jpg

[Nietzsche]

Here is the mustache:
http://manolomen.com/images/Mark%20Harmon%20in%20stache.jpg

And who brings a sword to a gun fight?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l291/ckatwoman_h/Gibbs/Gunn-y/GibbsGun8.jpg


Ach Scheiße!

[BienvenuJDC]

Ach Scheiße!

English?

[Nietzsche]

English?


Oh ****

(note that in German it connotates frustration when you use "Ach!")

[BienvenuJDC]

:smilielol5::rofl::thumbsup::lol:

[Nietzsche]

:smilielol5::rofl::thumbsup::lol:


However, Jethro didn't write a number of books. He also didn't have as good of a mustache. Until Nietzsche's got untrimmed.. then it was just ugly

[BienvenuJDC]

However, Jethro didn't write a number of books. He also didn't have as good of a mustache. Until Nietzsche's got untrimmed.. then it was just ugly

Nietzsche didn't make any movies....or star in any Award winning television shows, nor has he ever been nominated for an Emmy or Golden Globe award.

And Harmon looks good enough without a mustache.

[Nietzsche]

Nietzsche didn't make any movies....or star in any Award winning television shows, nor has he ever been nominated for an Emmy or Golden Globe award.

And Harmon looks good enough without a mustache.


Nietzsche was alive in the era before film

[BienvenuJDC]

But each has their own artistic accomplishments...

[DanielBenoit]

Nietzsche didn't make any movies....or star in any Award winning television shows, nor has he ever been nominated for an Emmy or Golden Globe award.


Thank God for that.

Besides, I don't think Nietzsche would be that much of a fan of the whole Hollywood system with its celebrities and awards ;)

In regards to the duel: I believe Nietzsche would win, he would go all Ubersmench on Mark Harmon.

[Nietzsche]

Thank God for that.

Besides, I don't think Nietzsche would be that much of a fan of the whole Hollywood system with its celebrities and awards ;)

In regards to the duel: I believe Nietzsche would win, he would go all Ubersmench on Mark Harmon.


Indeed, also, a skilled swordsman can defeat a man with a gun. Just watch Star Wars.

[Haunted]

Indeed, also, a skilled swordsman can defeat a man with a gun. Just watch Star Wars.

How long is that sword? Gibbs is a sniper. He can take anyone out 2 football fields away.

[Nietzsche]

How long is that sword? Gibbs is a sniper. He can take anyone out 2 football fields away.

It might help if Gibbs was a real person, and if Nietzsche were alive. You can't snipe a dead man especially if you are not real, and the actor who plays Gibbs i'm sure doesn't have the skills to snipe or resurrect the dead.

[BienvenuJDC]

How long is that sword? Gibbs is a sniper. He can take anyone out 2 football fields away.

Not to mention that sword combat is a given for marines.

[BienvenuJDC]

It might help if Gibbs was a real person, and if Nietzsche were alive. You can't snipe a dead man especially if you are not real, and the actor who plays Gibbs i'm sure doesn't have the skills to snipe or resurrect the dead.

But the avatar represents both the actor AND the character...

[Nietzsche]

But the avatar represents both the actor AND the character...


For it to be fair as you said in the first post it can't be both , because that would be two people. Pick one or the other if you want it to be fair

[BienvenuJDC]

Then it is Gibbs....as the first post says...

A decorated marine AND a Special Agent!

[Nietzsche]

Then it is Gibbs....as the first post says...

A decorated marine AND a Special Agent!


Nietzsche was a philosopher, studier of greek and latin, musical composer, military man, and art critic.

[BienvenuJDC]

Gibbs is a ship builder, a detective, a sharpshooter, a marine, and a master interrogator...

[AmericanEagle]

Nietzsche is real, Gibbs is fictional.

Verdict? Nietzsche wins.

[Nietzsche]

Gibbs is a ship builder, a detective, a sharpshooter, a marine, and a master interrogator...


Nietzsche also has a wonderful advantage of having been a real person, he also was the youngest college professor ever at the University of Basel.

He was also influential in psychology and many philosophical schools of thought from postmodernism to objectivism

The degree of introspection achieved by Nietzsche had never been achieved by anyone, nor is it ever likely to be achieved again -- Sigmund Freud

[AimusSage]

Intriguing, I find that the comparison is a strangely chosen point of contention since both men were so very different and truly beyond compare except for that they were both men.

[aliengirl]

Nietzsche is real, Gibbs is fictional.

Verdict? Nietzsche wins.

It is a very strange verdict. Anyone real does not always count more than a fictional character. Sometimes fictional characters, settings, tales influence us more than real people.

[Nietzsche]

It is a very strange verdict. Anyone real does not always count more than a fictional character. Sometimes fictional characters, settings, tales influence us more than real people.


Yeah, strangely enough people do follow fictional people and concepts. Anyone who knows Nietzsche knows what i'm speaking of. Hever various groups have been influenced by Nietzsche over time, from the Nazis (through manipulation and misunderstanding), to the Postmodernists, Objectivists, Continental philosophers, Deconstructionists, Nihilists, Anarchists, Existentialists, Zionists, Feminists, etc, etc...

Who has Gibbs influenced significantly? Entertains people yes, but influenced? No.

[BienvenuJDC]

It's not JUST Gibbs in particular, it is the type of men and women that Gibbs represent. I do have one question...why would one want to idolize one who influenced people like the Nazis, considering what the Nazis did?

I'll go with the character of Gibbs any day. He (and his type) have fought for justice and defending those being oppressed for decades and centuries even.

[Nietzsche]

It's not JUST Gibbs in particular, it is the type of men and women that Gibbs represent. I do have one question...why would one want to idolize one who influenced people like the Nazis, considering what the Nazis did?

I'll go with the character of Gibbs any day. He (and his type) have fought for justice and defending those being oppressed for decades and centuries even.


His philosophy is actually very anti-Totalitarian and he writes several positive things of the Jews. He came up with the concept of the "übermensch" which means Superhuman. What the Superhuman is, is someone who is an individual that is not subject to religion, government, or social convention, yet, is not an irrational anarchist either. The übermensch is self sufficient for morality.

Now, Nietzsche had a sister, Elizabeth Förster-Nietzsche who was an anti-Semite. Nietzsche spent the last 11 years of his life under the care of his sister who he despised. After he died, she edited together the last stuff he ever wrote into a book called the Will to Power. She edited in a bunch of statist and racist stuff about blonde aryans, lowly jews, etc. She panned this philosophy that she largely made herself out to the anti-Semites in her social circle. Those same people eventually became the first supporters of National Socialism.

In part 475 of Human All too Human he writes of how people treat Jews differently, and says that it should not be done. "[....] it is cruel to demand that the Jew be an exception "

In part 251 of Beyond Good and Evil, he writes , " The Jews, however, are beyond any doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race now living in Europe"

You can read many instances of him praising the Jews on this blog at these links

http://dailynietzsche.blogspot.com/2007/11/nietzsche-on-jews.html
http://dailynietzsche.blogspot.com/2007/11/nietzsche-against-germans.html
http://dailynietzsche.blogspot.com/2008/06/germans-and-jews.html

most of his criticisms of the Jews comes from his criticism of religion, not their race. If you read those, you see that he is blatantly opposed to racism and is fond of the Jews as a people, and has more issues with the Germans than anyone else.

On Christmas of 1887, he wrote to his sister Elizabeth.

You have committed one of the greatest stupidities — for yourself and for me! Your association with an anti-Semitic chief expresses a foreignness to my whole way of life which fills me again and again with ire or melancholy. ... It is a matter of honor with me to be absolutely clean and unequivocal in relation to anti-Semitism, namely, opposed to it, as I am in my writings. I have recently been persecuted with letters and Anti-Semitic Correspondence Sheets. My disgust with this party (which would like the benefit of my name only too well!) is as pronounced as possible, but the relation to Förster, as well as the aftereffects of my former publisher, the anti-Semitic Schmeitzner, always brings the adherents of this disagreeable party back to the idea that I must belong to them after all. ... It arouses mistrust against my character, as if publicly I condemned something which I have favored secretly — and that I am unable to do anything against it, that the name of Zarathustra is used in every Anti-Semitic Correspondence Sheet, has almost made me sick several times.

As you can see, his individual , anti-racist, anti-herd mentality philosophy was twisted out of context by his sister, and also Alfred Bäumler was hired by the Nazi party to cherry pick his philosophy to fit their needs. Heidegger , who was a nazi, also write extensively on Nietzsche.

In reality, the Nazi party draws MUCH more from Kant, Hegel, and Marx than Nietzsche [ Kant's categorical imperative for absolute morals, Hitler gave the morals to Germany, Hegel believed in the supremacy of the state, and Marx founded Socialism. Hence National SOCIALISM]. Nietzsche was the anti-thesis of the Nazi Party, and they twisted him to fit their needs to that people would read him through the eyes of National Socialism. If people read him in context, they might have wised up and fought against the Nazi party instead of supporting it.

Regardless, Nazis aside, he influenced many more people. His philosophy defended the Jews, and many Zionist, feminist, and other groups drew inspiration from his individualist philosophy. Nietzsche also fought for "oppressed for decades and centuries even".

Gibbs can only save as many people as he is scripted to and their lives don't matter as they are not real. He may represent real policemen and the like, but we are not comparing Nietzsche to real police, now are we?

[AmericanEagle]

I agree that you can't compare a fictional character to a real man, who despite misinterpretation by evil men, has influenced many other people in a positive way.

So again, the victory goes to Nietzsche.

Besides, I'd never even heard of Gibbs until Bien mentioned him. Nietzsche, on the other hand, I have heard of prior to joining this forum.

[BienvenuJDC]

Thanks for all the information, nietzsche...

[Nietzsche]

Thanks for all the information, nietzsche...


No problem. I'm a natural born Professor.

[BienvenuJDC]

No problem. I'm a natural born Professor.

Really?
:Yawn:

[Nietzsche]

Really?
:Yawn:



Yup.

It's funny how every time I have started to point out how Nietzsche is better, you have changed from Gibbs, to his actor, to Gibbs and then what Gibbs stands for haha

[BienvenuJDC]

Yup.

It's funny how every time I have started to point out how Nietzsche is better, you have changed from Gibbs, to his actor, to Gibbs and then what Gibbs stands for haha

If I cannot bring out the character behind the man, then you shouldn't be bringing out all of his writings. We are talking about an avatar here...

I really didn't think that you'd take it all this serious. It's for fun...

[Maximilianus]

I have a special fondness for special agents :p I will give my vote to Mr. Gibbs :thumbsup:

[Nietzsche]

If I cannot bring out the character behind the man, then you shouldn't be bringing out all of his writings. We are talking about an avatar here...

I really didn't think that you'd take it all this serious. It's for fun...


Fun? I don't know the meaning of the word. I'm always serious :nod:



Gibbs has been married four times, and divorced three; his first marriage was kept a secret from nearly everyone of Gibbs' acquaintance until the episode "Hiatus (Part 1)". In the episode "Heartland", it is revealed that Gibbs met his first wife, Shannon, while waiting at the Stillwater Train Platform in 1976, at which point she tells him about her rules for life; these rules would inspire a similar set of Gibbs' own that he now teaches to his subordinate agents at NCIS.
Gibbs also once had a romantic relationship with the (now deceased) director of NCIS, Jenny Shepard, who was also a redhead. In the first, second, and once during the third season, he was seen in the company of a mysterious (and never-identified) redheaded woman.[4] In season four, he had a steady, serious relationship with Army CID agent Lt. Col. Hollis Mann, curiously NOT a redhead, but their relationship ended at the beginning of season five, when it was revealed that she was retiring to Hawaii.
After Shannon's and Kelly's death and before he remarried to his second wife, Gibbs had an affair with a woman in Colombia, named Rose. In an episode, Rose's son is introduced. Gibbs was suspected (by his team) of being the boy's father; but it is later revealed that the drug lord Gibbs sniped in Colombia was, in fact, the boy's father.

Alright, since i'm bringing in Nietzsche's writings to be fair I will add a bit of info about Gibbs.


To be fair, Nietzsche never was much of a romantic. THe one woman he loved ditched him for his friend and he showed his contempt for her often in his writings. But at least Nietzsche doesn't get around like Gibbs. Unless, you know, you're okay with that sort of thing. Nietzsche may not have cared. maybe he would have. We can only speculate.

Albeit for different reasons our avatars are not so good at romance.

EDIT : Besides, Surrender is a French word :P and I really don't have much better to do.

surrender
1441, "to give (something) up," from Old French surrendre "give up, deliver over"

[BienvenuJDC]

Man, you are taking this WAY too seriously...:yikes:

[Nietzsche]

Man, you are taking this WAY too seriously...:yikes:


Nah, i'm just having fun screwing with you. I'm bored.
:cheers2: