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eric.bell
03-04-2010, 04:13 PM
Recently, I was reading a thread in this forum entitled "How to have immortality without God... Why does the world exist?" (OP mazHur). Well, upon reading it and participating in the discussion, I grew interested in how many of you would tackle these questions: What drives humans on in this life? and what makes them (us) happy? (and if it doesn't complicate the discussion too much, what is happiness?)

I wrote the following in said forum discussion, and it gives a basic idea of what I believe. (note 1: I underlined the sentences relating to the new topic.)


Let me start by saying that answering said questions is infeasible, if not impossible; and I lean toward the latter. But with that said--I do believe that explaining to one’s self or even to others is both feasible and possible, and that it is the very nature of man to ask these questions, as well as search out their answer(s). I would also add one question: what is the fundamental drive (and thus the fundamental means to happiness) for mankind?
The meaning of man’s existence, to me, is no more than to exist. No more, no less. As is any other perception that our senses show us. What greater meaning could there be than to exist? Nothing, say I. What is mankind’s drive? Hunger and thirst; for all manners of things: food and water, love and lust, material and immaterial (i.e. righteousness in each individual’s manner and ideal); life and, finally, death.

(note 2: I would like to keep the discussion to (inner) man without diving in to a possibility of a higher being, although I know it severely limits the discussion.)

Katy North
03-04-2010, 06:52 PM
Passion is what drives man... you find something that you are passionate about, whether it be family, reading, eating, celebrity gossip, or your cat, and live for it.

If you have NOTHING to be passionate about, I'd say your drive is fear... fear of going hungry, fear of pain, or fear of the unknown quantities of dying.

AimusSage
03-04-2010, 09:09 PM
I have nothing that drives me forward personally, I just drift along with the flow. Neither happy or sad. However observations suggest that most people are driven by either fear or passion as Katy pointed out.

Mostly it is a combination. Genetically humans have only one purpose in life, and that is to survive long enough to produce offspring and make sure the offspring is able to survive on its own. This purpose is programmed into our genetics, but it really is just a minor purpose, when you really think about it, the universe is wonderfully without a purpose we can ever know, there might be a purpose, but we can never know it. As such, most people are driven by a limited view of the universe, and thus self interest is primary in what drives them, coming back to the genetics, in some cases altruism is preferable, but we are always slaves to our evolution. Civilization is a flimsy layer, that if taken away, wouldn't make much difference in what we do, merely in how we do it.

Scheherazade85
03-07-2010, 01:58 AM
Whether humans are driven or not driven, life goes on. Can't do anything about it. Say you can, it still goes on. Even without us thinking about it.

anzki4
03-07-2010, 06:44 AM
I recently read a book concerning this(also).
Try Mark Twain: What Is Man?

eric.bell
03-07-2010, 07:33 PM
Whether humans are driven or not driven, life goes on. Can't do anything about it. Say you can, it still goes on. Even without us thinking about it.

No, life does not go on without drive. If I lost my drive (whatever that drive may be), I would die, because I would stop doing and, when one stops doing, one cannot survive. If the men and women who grow the food in the world lost their drive there would be mass starvation. If everyone lost their drive, the world as we know it would end. If our solar system's star, the sun, lost its drive, as it slowly is doing (for drive is elemental--what drives us is chemical), we would all perish. Life does not just go on without drive.

Scheherazade85
03-08-2010, 12:58 AM
Maybe we are on the same page, maybe not. Drive is but a state of mind. In many places of the world, starvation at its worst already exists, in which a person lives with the total opposite of being driven but still continues to live because they have no choice. Survival is an instinct one cannot defy simply because it is against his nature. In a nutshell, a person's survival does not necessarily represent drive.

eric.bell
03-08-2010, 03:08 AM
Survival is an instinct one cannot defy simply because it is against his nature. In a nutshell, a person's survival does not necessarily represent drive.

You misunderstand what I mean when I say 'drive'; or at least it would appear so. I guess, maybe I should have asked "what makes up that which drives humans, or, what is it that causes this 'drive' in creatures". Those 'survival instincts' you speak of are 'drives'. A body cannot exist, in any conscious since, when it has no drive: it simply dies, shuts down. (note: drive is not simply motivation; it is that fundamental thing within a being that makes them keep moving. And my question is what is this thing, this drive?) Until one's death, there can be no separation from what drives us, because (essentially, I believe) it may be that it (the drive) is us (our very being).