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blazeofglory
02-26-2010, 07:20 PM
I am reading philosophy these days. I have read Nietzsche, Sartre, Marx, Hegel and oriental philosophy.

Hegelian ideas appealed to me immensely. Hegel is speaking about the wholeness of this universe. He said all else can be comprehended in their relationship with totality, for all fragments are untruths without regard to their sources. Man is also a fragment of that totality. I am just a beginner of Philosophy and do not belong to any school of it. I oscillate between different ideas depending on my moods. But it is really fascinating to discuss it. The inquisitiveness all of us have about our source, immortality, creation and the like is what absorbs us in philosophy in point of fact.

Marx asserts that matter is the end of all and our existence is materialistic. But Marx has been proved wrong now for physics has already said there is nothing called matter and what we call matter is not necessarily matter and this can be proved when we further disintegrate them into electrons, protons and neutrons.

Of late I am closer to Hegelian ideas. Marx drew heavily on this philosopher. Hegel is rather complex but he is a great philosopher and his ideas about the universe and man in it is really a better idea than what Marx or other materialists have said.

That has imbibed in me great interest in metaphysics. Or something beyond physics.

It is really interesting to delved into these domains and I know many in this forum take interests in this most discussed subject. We have to explore into different domains of ideas. I am into Chinese philosophical traditions too particularly Taoism and they are closer to Vedanta.

The last question we never got answered is whether consciousness precede matter or the reverse. But today physics has already a different idea about matter or what we call matter is on the surface and once it is split up mater seems in-existential.

Therefore materialists failed. Then do idealists or spiritualists or those who beleive in souls won?

We all are fragments and until we realize our completeness or wholeness we float like specks in this vast whirlpool of the universe. But what we really luxuriate is in ideas and that is the beginning of all our curiosity and the starting point of science.

JommiL
02-27-2010, 05:31 AM
I understand why Hegel is very impressive. He was a philosopher with extra-ordinary ability to build system, whole one. Usually philosopher´s problem is that their picture about existence is like broken mirror; Lot of sharp edges, some bright flashes of light, but still picture stays very fragmented.

mal4mac
03-15-2010, 08:56 AM
...physics has already said there is nothing called matter and what we call matter is not necessarily matter and this can be proved when we further disintegrate them into electrons, protons and neutrons.

Where does "physics" say that matter doesn't exist? Free electrons, protons and neutrons *are* matter. They can be converted into energy (e.g, when an electron and positrons encounter each other) but they are still matter. Everything in objective reality is resolvable to energy - Schopenhauer suggested this, and Einstein gave us the equations to show exactly how much energy - but energy isn't everything - it's not subjective consciousness.