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eyemaker
01-05-2010, 12:38 AM
My dear friends and fellow Litnetters, I quite need a little of your help. I'm doing a report about that particular approach and am still trying to find a better author and selection to show and analyze as an example. So I need some of your suggestions on who to study using this approach and what literary piece of his will be a perfect example? I think any Western writers will do. (novels, short stories and plays)

thanks!:)

mal4mac
01-05-2010, 08:33 AM
Portrait of the Artist by James Joyce. Try reading this along with the first few chapters of Ellmanns biography of Joyce to get a fascinating insight into how 'biography as novel' and 'actual biography' work at the highest level.

eyemaker
01-06-2010, 12:38 AM
Joyce was actually on my possible list. Thanks by the way. :)

mayneverhave
01-06-2010, 12:47 AM
Obviously someone like Shakespeare would provide less of a pool to dive into.

Perhaps Goethe? Rilke? and on a completely different note, Dante?

mal4mac
01-06-2010, 07:45 AM
Yeah, not enough is known about Shakespeare, so how could you compare his biography to his work? Dante is a good idea - the Inferno contains many Italians who were friends/enemies of Dante, and Dante himself is taking the tour of hell, so there is an intimate biographical connection! What level of report are you planning? For a quick report, Mandelbaum's readable translation of the entire Comedy has excellent notes that give a quick one line explanation of who the various people are. For more biographical detail try:

Dante: The Poet, the Political Thinker, the Man by Barbara Reynolds

I borrowed this from the library and read about half of it. I found it *very* thorough on Dante and his political & social situation. Maybe too detailed for me... But it is well written, and Reynold credentials are second to none. I'd have read more if I wasn't straining at the leash to read the actual poem!

If you are shooting for A* why not do both Dante & Joyce! The former was a great influence on the latter, and both were heavily influenced by the RC church, both were exiles, many connections and parallels can be drawn.

Red-Headed
01-06-2010, 09:53 AM
both were exiles,

Speaking of which, don't forget Joyce's only play Exiles. Some editions of it have Joyce's own notes about the play in it, they are quite interesting.

mal4mac
01-07-2010, 06:51 AM
Ellmann has some very interesting, funny, and disturbing accounts of Joyce's trials and tribulations in trying to stage that play, and others--including a feud with the British embassy in Switzerland due to a minor functionary, moonlighting as an actor, not getting paid properly by Joyce (in his view)... Joyce liked a good fight, especially with the British establishment...

Joyce had incredible chutzpah, which makes for a great biography--for instance, he tried to set up a cinema chain in Ireland while living in penury on the continent. He somehow got others to do the hard work for nothing, arguing that he was the ideas man (Idea: "Dublin has no cinema, it should have a cinema, get Fred to set it up and pocket half the profits... now back to Bloom...")

Red-Headed
01-07-2010, 08:10 AM
Ellmann has some very interesting, funny, and disturbing accounts of Joyce's trials and tribulations in trying to stage that play, and others--including a feud with the British embassy in Switzerland due to a minor functionary, moonlighting as an actor, not getting paid properly by Joyce (in his view)... Joyce liked a good fight, especially with the British establishment...

Joyce had incredible chutzpah, which makes for a great biography--for instance, he tried to set up a cinema chain in Ireland while living in penury on the continent. He somehow got others to do the hard work for nothing, arguing that he was the ideas man (Idea: "Dublin has no cinema, it should have a cinema, get Fred to set it up and pocket half the profits... now back to Bloom...")

Yeah, Joyce was a bit of a Jack the Lad I reckon at times. If you want to get a handle on why he was like he was, you should read the biography of his father 'John Stanislaus Joyce' by John Wyse Jackson & Peter Costello.