Astrology in pre Christian millennium

[lohith]

An Indian astrology predictions a lot different as compared with the western science. After the basic philosophies were laid down in the pre-Christian millennium, few changes came in anticipation of the modern era.

With the discovery of Uranus in 1781, the four main asteroids in the early 1800's, Neptune in 1846, Pluto in 1930 and Chiron in late 1970s, new material was calling out to be incorporated.

The Humanistic association in modern western Astrology came mainly as a consequence of these discoveries, blossoming in the latter part of this century, equivalent to the rise of the humanistic movement in psychology, and was fathered by Dane Rudhyar, theorist, artiste, and astrologer -- whose influential work entitled The Astrology of Personality was published in 1936.

Still today, innovation goes on, with more modern developments such as Cosmobiology, Uranian Astrology and supplementary explorations of the Humanistic Astrology that has revealed so much guarantee in this latter half century.

[The Atheist]

The problem with astrology is that the premise is flawed and the outcomes can be proven to be wrong.

Distant celestial bodies just don't work that way.

[NikolaiI]

"We are born at a given moment in a given place and like vintage years of wine we have the qualities of the year and of the season in which we are born. Astrology does not lay claim to anything else."

http://www.chartplanet.com/html/carl_jung.html


To lohith: I was reading a book about Vedic astrology, and the author said that Western astrology has a mistake in their calculations...

[Babbalanja]

"We are born at a given moment in a given place and like vintage years of wine we have the qualities of the year and of the season in which we are born. Astrology does not lay claim to anything else."

Actually, it does. It claims that the movement of celestial bodies influence earthly events and human behavior in ways that, well, they don't.

And far be it from me to question anything that mystical-schmistical Carl Jung says, but why is the exact moment that we emerged from mommy's tummy so all-fired important to our lives and destiny?

I mean, ordinarily, when someone ascribes traits to people because of accidents of their birth, we call that prejudice. Don't we?

Regards,

Istvan

[Dinkleberry2010]

Astrology was conceived when it was still believed that the earth was the center of everything. When it was discovered that the earth was not the center, astrology lost any credibility it had.

[NikolaiI]

Actually, it does. It claims that the movement of celestial bodies influence earthly events and human behavior in ways that, well, they don't.

And far be it from me to question anything that mystical-schmistical Carl Jung says, but why is the exact moment that we emerged from mommy's tummy so all-fired important to our lives and destiny?

I mean, ordinarily, when someone ascribes traits to people because of accidents of their birth, we call that prejudice. Don't we?

Regards,

Istvan

I find it fascinating although I haven't studied it enough to know it better. I think it deserves a real study before discarding it altogether. Now, I have a book on Vedic astrology I was reading for fun, and it says that Vedic astrology is a lot different than Western. For one thing, the author says, Western astrology is based on a miscalculation which threw off their star charts by 2000 years or something.

But from the very, very little I know of it, they say that there is a two-way relationship between the stars and our lives.

At least that's what the website I linked above said...

And the book, of which I've read only a few chapters, also said that astrology was about understanding the non-physical connections in the universe. Just like we have a body, physical, and mind, non-physical, which are connected, so there are non-physical connections which physical science hasn't discovered.

But then also there is Swami Vivekananda, who several times completely denounced astrology... :)

One thing that Jeffery Armstrong, the author of the book I mentioned, says is that we often have a bias toward ancient cultures. He said, ancient doesn't necessarily mean primitive - that seemed like a good point to me. Though they didn't have the same technology we have, it is possible they had greater knowledge in other fields, for example astrology.

Regards,

Alex

[Babbalanja]

I find it fascinating although I haven't studied it enough to know it better. I think it deserves a real study before discarding it altogether.
I'm not saying we should discard it without study. That's why I asked you a few questions about it which, tellingly, you ignored.


But from the very, very little I know of it, they say that there is a two-way relationship between the stars and our lives.
Which there doesn't seem to be.


And the book, of which I've read only a few chapters, also said that astrology was about understanding the non-physical connections in the universe. Just like we have a body, physical, and mind, non-physical, which are connected, so there are non-physical connections which physical science hasn't discovered.
And why, pray tell, should we assume they exist if they haven't been discovered?

I'm constantly amazed by the way pseudoscience tries to disguise its arrogance and presumption behind a mask of curiosity about the universe and human possibility. We shouldn't say we know things without good reason. Believing whatever we want about celestial magic has nothing to do with responsible empirical inquiry.

Regards,

Istvan

[NikolaiI]

Well, in answer to your first question...

and by the way I did not intend to tellingly ignore your questions, sir, I was just responding-

I would respond with the counter-question, how or why does it matter that a particular wine has a particular character based on its age and location? I don't know too much about either and it is a sincere inquiry.

Thank you very much, kindly, for your time in considering and replying

Regards,
Your humble servant,

Alex

[Babbalanja]

I would respond with the counter-question, how or why does it matter that a particular wine has a particular character based on its age and location? I don't know too much about either and it is a sincere inquiry.
And I would respond that you still have not answered any of the questions I asked you. A counter-question does not constitute an answer, and I find it very significant that you're reluctant to have this subject examined objectively.

You seem to expect us to accept Carl Jung's opinion as the truth, but I asked why you consider his analogy to wine so valid: why is the exact time and place of parturition so all-important to all our future determinations of the way our lives interact with the stars?

Regards,

Istvan

[NikolaiI]

And I would respond that you still have not answered any of the questions I asked you. A counter-question does not constitute an answer, and I find it very significant that you're reluctant to have this subject examined objectively.

You seem to expect us to accept Carl Jung's opinion as the truth, but I asked why you consider his analogy to wine so valid: why is the exact time and place of parturition so all-important to all our future determinations of the way our lives interact with the stars?

Regards,

Istvan


Please do not find any thing telling or significant about my posts, as I am just a fool in regards to things such as astrology.

Thank you,

Alex