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Basketball09
11-08-2009, 04:33 PM
When Winston is talking to O'Brien they talk about meeting, "In the place where there is no darkness." I am not sure where this is referring too. I know it is also mentioned previously in the book as well. Do they ever end up meeting there?
Boostie16
11-08-2009, 05:15 PM
I think that O'Brien is referring to a place where they won't be watched and are safe from the ever watching thought police, in a place where everyone there is against Big Brother and on the same side. I don't know if beyond O'Brien's apartment they ever meet there.
A dark place is interior, hidden, and private. There is no private life in IngSoc. There are no thoughts but what you have been told by the Party, and if there is anything more they are going to find out. O'Brien tells Winston what Winston is thinking, during interrogation.
Gladys
11-08-2009, 10:56 PM
When Winston is talking to O'Brien they talk about meeting, "In the place where there is no darkness." I am not sure where this is referring too.
The place is The Ministry of Love, where Winston and Julia are gaoled and tortured under 24-hour-a-day lighting.
Winston first believes that this is the Golden Country that he has seen in his dreams. He later comes to realize that this is the Ministry of Love, where the lights are never turned off. The "light" is simply another form of torture, since there are no windows and no clocks and prisoners have no way of gauging the passage of time.
This is yet another example of Winston's beliefs being turned upside down. Everything he believes at the beginning of the novel turns out to be the opposite: He thinks Julia is the Thought Police when she's really a slut; he thinks Parsons will never be vaporized, but it happens. Many more examples pop up throughout the novel.
The Atheist
11-11-2009, 07:52 PM
He thinks Julia is the Thought Police when she's really a slut; ...
I'm not sure that isn't seriously misrepresenting Julia.
She uses sex as a means of cementing her dissent. Morality has nothing to do with it.
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