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coberst
08-18-2009, 05:19 PM
What are “concrete concepts”?

I remember having watched, on TV, a high-jumper performing an obvious mental imagery of his up-coming jump just before he actually performed his physical feat. I could watch his gaze going through the running to the bar and lifting himself up and over the bar. It was obvious that he was doing a practice jump in his mind just before he actually performed the jump.

I have discovered since that time that this is somewhat standard practice for athletes.

What do these practices, plus the recent empirical evidence regarding neural cognitive science, tell us about the nature of conceptualization and knowledge?

One can analyze the nature of our psyche from the phenomenological and from the neurobiological aspect. SGCS (Second Generation Cognitive Science) has, in the last several decades, developed theories about both of these aspects of human activity.

“A central tenet of an embodied cognitive theory of concepts is that concrete concepts (that is, concepts for concrete objects, events, and actions) are processed using sensorimotor areas of the brain…The guiding idea here is that thinking using a concrete concept involve activating many of the same sensorimotor neural clusters that would be activated in actually perceiving something, manipulating an object, or moving one’s body.”

Such ideas as one finds in the above quote seem to me to be obvious if one considers Darwin’s theory of natural selection. If natural selection is a true theory then there must be continuity throughout the chain of being. Thus humans, like their non-human ancestors, must be expected to use these sensorimotor neural networks for concrete experience.

We generally speak about knowledge from a phenomenological perspective; recent developments in neuroscience, however limited, suggest some of the neural bases for conceptualization.

“Concepts are neural activation patterns that can either be “turned on” by some actual perceptual or motoric event in our bodies, or else activated when we merely think about something, without actually perceiving it or performing a specific action.”

Have you ever performed this mental imaging of an athletic performance just before attempting to do it?

If you have learned to type have you ever, like me, asked your self where on the key board is “y” and discovered you had to depend upon your fingers for that information?

If all concrete concepts result from sensorimotor aided experience does this mean that all concepts, either concrete or subjective, are grounded in sensorimotor aided experience?

Quotes from The Meaning of the Body: Aesthetics of Human Understanding by Mark Johnson

Buh4Bee
08-28-2009, 10:14 PM
I know that when children learn to smile through imitation, it is a pleasurable experience. They react through a response to the adult that stimulates them in a positive way. This is all a very concrete interaction.

In a quest to find a hierarchy of the superior stages of human development, I would say that the kind of muscle memory rehearsal you are describing above, is more basic than when compared to say, abstract thinking.

blazeofglory
08-28-2009, 10:36 PM
You cannot concretise a concept at all in principle.

coberst
08-29-2009, 04:27 AM
You cannot concretise a concept at all in principle.

We reify (make into an object) abstract concepts constantly. It is often a technique used to manipulate people. Most of the things that are important to humans (meaningful) are reified abstract concepts, example soul, justice, freedom, god, nation, property, etc. One might argue that the reified abstract concept remains an abstract concept and is concrete only in the minds of people who know nothing about such matters as concrete or abstract ideas.




I would say that the kind of muscle memory rehearsal you are describing above, is more basic than when compared to say, abstract thinking.

I do not understand this statement.

billl
08-29-2009, 01:31 PM
When discussing the mind as some sort of collection of data and processes containable in physical state (ie. when rejecting dualism), some recent philosophers (most recently, DiMasio I guess) have made the point that the mind is strongly defined by the body, as well as the nature of the environmental challenges it faces. Muscle memories are an (the?) example of physical processes that are most unique to an individual (e.g. if Tiger Woods were to have his consciousness somehow implanted into my body, his golf swing would be screwed up--at least for a while--because we aren't the same height, etc.).

Although muscle-memory might not be exactly analogous to what coberst is suggesting to be the basic building blocks of higher consciousness, I think jersea is basically agreeing with the coberst's quote: "thinking using a concrete concept involve[s] activating many of the same sensorimotor neural clusters that would be activated in actually perceiving something, manipulating an object, or moving one’s body." The building blocks are (largely, at least) the result of a unique experience by a unique body.

However, it is reasonable to wonder about the extent to which DNA might be transmitting shortcuts or standardizations from one generation to the next.

Buh4Bee
08-29-2009, 03:21 PM
Coberst- All I meant is that when an athlete, for example, is thinking about his event, he is, as you described, going over it in his head. This type of cognitive act is more fundamental than thinking about how you may write an essay.

blazeofglory
09-03-2009, 06:38 AM
Concepts are really fleeting and we cannot grasp them and concertize or solidify them for good. They melt away as a piece of ice when rays upon the sun fall upon them.

coberst
09-03-2009, 12:26 PM
Concepts are really fleeting and we cannot grasp them and concertize or solidify them for good. They melt away as a piece of ice when rays upon the sun fall upon them.

Most of the concepts that we are willing to live, die, and kill for are abstract concepts, God, gods, nation, freedom, justice, soul, etc. We often objectify abstract concepts.