Is love just the tool of the weak?

[blazeofglory]

In point of fact man, of course woman too, is a shrewd creature and they use love as a strong tool to rule over the opposite sex. We know very strong and powerful rulers behaving submissively when swayed by the act of love, and the love potion is really effective in persuading humans. We know great wars happened and tens of thousands have to lose their lives out of the sheer fixation with women. We know the famous Helen and Troy story and the Great Ramayana has a story wherein a very outrageous war waged between two great nations in which the one and only motive was a female character. Indeed love makes man blind and cannot see any other thing than love.

People become sacrificial when won over by love, and it is indeed a strong force that drives man rowdy. Of course this is how women gain authority over men by entangling them in conjugal relationships. Man acts as a fool in front of a woman swayed by the act of love and women with this very powerful woman rules over him. Man thru his muscular power rules as a monarch but the woman behind is commanding him, and he powerlessly goes down on his knees while facing the woman. This love potion is too powerful.

[JuniperWoolf]

This thread makes me pretty mad. I just thought that I'd say that. I find it offensive. I won't comment because I've had a rough week. Maybe I will in a few days, if no one else already says everything that I'm thinking (which is likely to happen on this forum, because it always does).

[billl]

In the legend of Troy, my brief glance at Wikipedia tells me that there is controversey among sources as to whether Helen was abducted by Paris, or whether she wanted to go with him (and, in fact, there are those who think she spent the whole war in Egypt).

Hey, I'm no expert. But it could've been jealousy on the King's part, more than anything. In such a case, I don't think the King would've been on his knees to the woman, I think he would've been just jealous of Paris.

In the case of the Great Ramayana, Wikipedia (the English page) spends a great deal of time describing a horrible woman, Kaikeyi. It looks like she's the source of the trouble in the story. Manipulative, just terrible--well, maybe, actually this isn't the best Wikipedia entry I've seen. And the plot is pretty complicated. But it looks like she might have done bad. However, the last paragraph on her Wikipedia page tells me that, actually, in the original, she is a great hero for taking the blame and putting on such an evil show--she actually did it because the god Vishnu asked her to do it, so that the hero Rama would have time in exile for some good purpose.
But, perhaps this last twist on the tale (hey, Kaikeyi is actually a great, noble woman, a glorious servant of Vishnu!) is not generally accepted.

Well, I didn't read Homer (but I read the Aeneid! And honestly loved it!), and I just spent less than 3 minutes researching perhaps the greatest epic in all of Indian literature. So this post is, as much as anything, an appeal to experts to set the record straight (or, at least, straighter) regarding these two women. My contribution is, simply, to show that my instincts were right, and these legends are maybe worth closer inspection, because, really, women can't be blamed for everything.

In real life, I have seen men become incredibly jealous about a particular woman, and I've seen it lead to conflict. Despite the fact that the woman was only interested in one of the men, and wished that there would be no conflict about the matter.

I have also, on rare occasion (in cinema and in real life) seen a woman pit two men against each other. Maybe there is some sort Darwinistic reason for it, but I believe that such conscious control over the situation might more obviously be some sort of abuse on the woman's part, perpetrated against the two men. Well, an especially enthusiastic Darwinist might want to say anything goes, as long as they're left out of it, but... In any case, I think that this sort of scenario is really rare, in comparison to the sort of conflict that results from jealousy on the part of a scorned man (or woman, for that matter--the whole thing can get reversed, sex-wise, although the means of conflict might tend to differ).

And maybe this is what, in the end, Blaze is referring to--just how incredibly difficult it can be for men to accept that the woman of their dreams is not their woman in reality. (And vice versa, with less historical carnage, apparently.) The potion of love is amazingly (blazingly!) powerful.

[Maximilianus]

In point of fact man, of course woman too, is a shrewd creature and they use love as a strong tool to rule over the opposite sex.
Hmm... not me, I just want to love and be loved. I don't want to rule or be ruled. I believe in team work :)


We know the famous Helen and Troy story and the Great Ramayana has a story wherein a very outrageous war waged between two great nations in which the one and only motive was a female character. Indeed love makes man blind and cannot see any other thing than love.
We can't actually assure a woman was the one and only reason for the war of Troy. Many historians debate about its real reasons and we can't be actually sure because there's not enough sustainable evidence to conclude that Helen was the sole cause for all that happened. Let's remember how things were back then. Greedy ruthless kings lusting for more riches to sack and territories to rule.


Man thru his muscular power rules as a monarch but the woman behind is commanding him, and he powerlessly goes down on his knees while facing the woman. This love potion is too powerful.
Well, not every woman is a Cleopatra and not every man is a Marc Antony.


I've had a rough week
I wish you a better next week :)


In the legend of Troy, my brief glance at Wikipedia tells me that there is controversey among sources as to whether Helen was abducted by Paris, or whether she wanted to go with him (and, in fact, there are those who think she spent the whole war in Egypt).

Hey, I'm no expert. But it could've been jealousy on the King's part, more than anything. In such a case, I don't think the King would've been on his knees to the woman, I think he would've been just jealous of Paris.

And let's remember that some men regard a woman as private property, so most likely Agamemnon was greedy, lusty, hateful, and all those vicious dark feelings very common in merciless ancient kings.


My contribution is, simply, to show that my instincts were right, and these legends are maybe worth closer inspection, because, really, women can't be blamed for everything.
True, legends they are and therefore they may be biased stories made up by men who wanted to put a bad reputation on the feminine nature. Even History itself can be biased depending on the ethics of whom is telling it.


how incredibly difficult it can be for men to accept that the woman of their dreams is not their woman in reality
I can say it's unbearably painful, not because of not having a "possession" but because of not having a story with someone you care about in an unearthly way. Love is about feeling an unexplainable feeling, not about a victory upon a territory.

[kelby_lake]

Of course this is how women gain authority over men by entangling them in conjugal relationships. Man acts as a fool in front of a woman swayed by the act of love and women with this very powerful woman rules over him. Man thru his muscular power rules as a monarch but the woman behind is commanding him, and he powerlessly goes down on his knees while facing the woman. This love potion is too powerful.

Isn't this just a little bit sexist? Can't women gain authority over men by being more intelligent than them? You wouldn't suggest that men gain authority over other men by 'entangling them in conjugal relationships'.

[skib]

I won't say I agree or disagree with the point. One could lean either way with this argument. Whether or not women use love as a tool against men, I've seen it done. Where I'm from, we affectionately call it being p****whipped. I'm sure there is some validity to the idea, however small or large of a scope of humans it applies to.

[Virgil]

I'm just contemplating my love tool. :p

[Janine]

I'm just contemplating my love tool. :p

:lol::lol::lol:OMG!

[Maximilianus]

Can't women gain authority over men by being more intelligent than them?
Of course they can, and I love it when they do it under the noses of misogynists! :D

You wouldn't suggest that men gain authority over other men by 'entangling them in conjugal relationships'.
Hmm... well... you know... there are "men" and... "other men" :D

Where I'm from, we affectionately call it being p****whipped.
Can I know where that is? I'm very interested in regionalisms :)

I'm just contemplating my love tool. :p

You evil, naughty Virgil... how dare you? ... :lol: :lol:

[kelby_lake]

Is couch casting mainly a male thing?

[Niamh]

I'm just contemplating my love tool. :p

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Maximilianus]

Is couch casting mainly a male thing?

As far as I have seen, it's unisex :p :D

[Virgil]

:lol::lol::lol:OMG!



You evil, naughty Virgil... how dare you? ... :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Glad you liked it. ;) These wicked quips just come to mind so easily. :D

[Janine]

Glad you liked it. ;) These wicked quips just come to mind so easily. :D

Don't we all know that by now! :nod: :lol:

[Niamh]

In point of fact man, of course woman too, is a shrewd creature and they use love as a strong tool to rule over the opposite sex. We know very strong and powerful rulers behaving submissively when swayed by the act of love, and the love potion is really effective in persuading humans. We know great wars happened and tens of thousands have to lose their lives out of the sheer fixation with women. We know the famous Helen and Troy story and the Great Ramayana has a story wherein a very outrageous war waged between two great nations in which the one and only motive was a female character. Indeed love makes man blind and cannot see any other thing than love.

People become sacrificial when won over by love, and it is indeed a strong force that drives man rowdy. Of course this is how women gain authority over men by entangling them in conjugal relationships. Man acts as a fool in front of a woman swayed by the act of love and women with this very powerful woman rules over him. Man thru his muscular power rules as a monarch but the woman behind is commanding him, and he powerlessly goes down on his knees while facing the woman. This love potion is too powerful.

Actually i'm with some of the other posters on this one... I find that statement offensive and sexist. You make it a generalisation that thats the way women are. Yes there may be women out there like that, but they are few and far between and are not representatives of our sex.
And while i am at it, i will point out the fact that "some" men use love as an excuse to over come a woman and make her powerless too.
And as Jane Austen famously pointed out in her book Persuasion, up until the first acknowledged female writers, the majority of texts that highlighted the fickleness of women were written by men. The Iliad was written by a man.

[kristian]

"Is love just the tool of the weak?" Sounds sexist because all you stated that used love as a tool to control men are women.

Well anyway,
I think, and as what I have read in The Art of Seduction, Love is one, if not the only weapon of women to battle against monarchic rule of men. However, of course men can also use that to bring women to her knees.

Yes its true that people tend to sacrifice anything just for her love. Nietzsche as I remember sacrificed his friendship with Paul Ree for the love of Lou Salome.

About your question stated as your topic, I dont know what do you mean by weak here. So if you can clarify a bit about the meaning of weak, i may be able to answer the question,

[kelby_lake]

Isn't this question basically stating that women are weak?

[LMK]

Love is not a tool, in this poster's opinion. To speak of it in those terms belittles the most prized emotion one could feel and the most selfless gift one can bestow on another.

Perhaps, one might confuse lust, seduction and sex for love, because so many crave actual love they grasp at straws that are these poor imitations and are used by them to their detriment.

No, love is not a tool and it is not by any means for the weak (unless it is used to give to one who is weak to give them courage). Love strengthens all it comes in contact with, or else it is not love.

~L

[hoope]

Love is so complicated .. and yet i don't like making the female the one behind all this .. and we really dnt rule any :P...

Love makes ppl lose mind sometimes .

“A boy is a magical creature, you can lock him out of your workshop, but you can’t lock him out of your heart. You can get him out of your study, but you can’t get him out of your mind.”

Nothing is under the control in love :P

[Virgil]

Love is so complicated .. and yet i don't like making the female the one behind all this .. and we really dnt rule any :P...



The female is not only behind this all. Plenty of men use love as a tool to manipulate the woman. Don't go by superficial sterotypes. It works both ways.

[LMK]

...use love as a tool to manipulate the ....

This is not love, this tool of manipulation, it is anything BUT love. It is manipulation with a mask of seduction maybe, but that is not love.

Love is not a tool, yes in this writer's opinion.

[Virgil]

This is not love, this tool of manipulation, it is anything BUT love. It is manipulation with a mask of seduction maybe, but that is not love.

Love is not a tool, yes in this writer's opinion.

Well, I agree. But people use other people's love as a tool. The victum is in love, the victimizer is not.

But you reminded me of the St. Paul passage in 1 Corinthians 13:

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Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not pompous, it is not inflated,
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it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,
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it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
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It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
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Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.

My wife had that read at our wedding.


And then there is the concluding passage a little further down:

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So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.