Sin

[bluosean]

Hey y'all. Is sex before marriage a sin? I can not find where it says this in the Bible.

[Whifflingpin]

1 Corinthians 7:9
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."

That's one text that implies that sex before marriage is sinful. (Not my opinion, as it happens, but I presume you are only interested in Christian views.)

[mono]

1 Corinthians 7:9
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."
Passages before this quote, Corinthians also reads: "But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does."
1 Corinthians 7:1-5

This does not so much address premarital sex, but more abstinence, preservation, and devotion.

[The Atheist]

Hey y'all. Is sex before marriage a sin? I can not find where it says this in the Bible.

Does being in the bible make it right?

Do you eat pork?

[RichardHresko]

The question of sin is a complex one.

The idea that sin is just a matter of breaking certain rules, biblical or not, is puerile. Adults do not live their lives like little children who obey rules because otherwise they will "get in trouble," or because if they do obey they will get a giant celestial cookie.

A mature concept of sin is one that understands that we suffer the consequences of our own actions. These consequences are sometimes subtle, but they exist.

Sin, according to Augustine, was making choices that keep us away from our greatest happiness. Thus the sinfulness of pursuing money for its own sake is that it distracts us from greater good. Even loving a friend or a spouse can be done either properly or sinfully. It is proper when the love draws us closer to goodness (which he equates with happiness -- a separate discussion from the one at hand), while improper loving (for example, loving someone as though they are everything and will never die) will lead to despair.

Properly considered, sin is a concept that is valuable to all thoughtful people, regardless of religious persuasion, including atheists and agnostics.

[bluosean]

Thanks for your replys. Richard I loved your answer.

To clarify I am only talking about the Bible.

To The Atheist: I don't understand what you are trying to say. I am not asking if what is written in the Bible is correct or not. I am only asking if it is there.

Thanks for the Corinthians Passages.

St. Threasa (sp?) said that "it is true that we cannot be free from sin but at least let our sins not always be the same".

Probably she is not saying to pratice as many sins as possible but that if we find ourselves to be sinning in the same way a lot to live differently for a while. This it is somewhat hard for me to understand.

I read 1st Corithians just now and chatpers 6 and 7 make it quite clear. Fornication (sex between two unmarried people) is a sin. Thanks for the book you guys.

A seperate thought is (assuming belief in God) that everyon sins all of the time, but to sin on purpose is madness. It is interesting that the definition of crazy is someone who makes the same mistakes over and over again.

Richard if you have any other thoughts I would be more than happy to hear them--it dosent matter where they take us.

[jocky]

I read 1st Corithians just now and chatpers 6 and 7 make it quite clear. Fornication (sex between two unmarried people) is a sin. Thanks for the book you guys.

A seperate thought is (assuming belief in God) that everyon sins all of the time, but to sin on purpose is madness. It is interesting that the definition of crazy is someone who makes the same mistakes over and over again.

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Making mistakes is what we do, Corinthians, has no more validity than Aesop's fables. They are both ficticious works written by humans. No sensible human being would ever deliberately hurt another, but sometimes life leaves us no choice. Frog and scorpian share a leaf to cross the river, frog says you will sting me, scorpion says, I wont because we will both drown. Half way across scorpion stings frog, and frog says you have killed us both. Scorpian replies, I couldnt help it, it was in my nature. Did the scorpian sin? :;)

[bluosean]

Thanks for your reply. I see what you are saying. It is a good point. I know that in pratice sin is just something that is. It creeps into everyones lives. I was just curious what the Bible said about this particular sin. My question was answered. Thanks for the replys.

[blazeofglory]

The question of whether particular activities are sinful or pious is unanswerable.
Killing is a sin, and when it comes to live it is no sin at all.

Sin is a word mostly used by orthodoxies.

To survive one has to struggle and in struggle there will be sins

[Red-Headed]

The question of whether particular activities are sinful or pious is unanswerable.
Killing is a sin, and when it comes to live it is no sin at all.

Is all killing a sin? How about when you wash your hands & kill bacteria?


Sin is a word mostly used by orthodoxies.

Etymologically many people believe that the noun 'sin' was originally an archery term meaning 'to miss the mark'.


To survive one has to struggle and in struggle there will be sins

Doesn't that contradict what you stated above? ~ 'when it comes to live it is no sin at all'

[blazeofglory]

Sin is a matter of perception. Is there sin in the theory of evolution?

The only truth is to fit man in a particular environmental setting. Survival is the goal and to this end everything is virtuous.

You cannot say that the tiger feeding on the deer seems violent and aggressive Its violence and aggression is justified on the ground that without committing such acts they cannot survive.

[Whifflingpin]

"You cannot say that the tiger feeding on the deer seems violent and aggressive Its violence and aggression is justified on the ground that without committing such acts they cannot survive."

This is not particularly relevant to mankind's predicament.
Man has both mental and moral capability which the tiger does not have.
The mental capability alone enables man to consider what might contribute best to his own or his species survival, e.g. breeding deer rather than just hunting them.
However, his moral capability introduces other questions than mere survival, e.g. killing deer with a minimum of pain, rather than allowing a dog pack to bite them to death.

Sin occurs when man acts less morally than he might.

[The Atheist]

"You cannot say that the tiger feeding on the deer seems violent and aggressive Its violence and aggression is justified on the ground that without committing such acts they cannot survive."

This is not particularly relevant to mankind's predicament.
Man has both mental and moral capability which the tiger does not have.
The mental capability alone enables man to consider what might contribute best to his own or his species survival, e.g. breeding deer rather than just hunting them.
However, his moral capability introduces other questions than mere survival, e.g. killing deer with a minimum of pain, rather than allowing a dog pack to bite them to death.

Sin occurs when man acts less morally than he might.

You miss the point that morality is a human construct.

Is a cat sinful when it torments a rat for hours instead of killing it cleanly?

[Whifflingpin]

Whiff: "[Man's] moral capability introduces other questions than mere survival, e.g. killing deer with a minimum of pain, rather than allowing a dog pack to bite them to death.Sin occurs when man acts less morally than he might. "

Atheist "You miss the point that morality is a human construct.
Is a cat sinful when it torments a rat for hours instead of killing it cleanly?"

I did not say whether or not morality is a human construct, nor is that relevant to my final statement, which was, more or less, a definition of sin. I simply related sin to morality. However morality is derived, to act less morally than one might is to sin.

Since I'd already stated that tigers do not have a moral capability, and since I'd defined sin as a deviation from the most moral option, it follows that I do not think tigers can sin. Cats don't have a moral capacity either, so they can't sin. And to save going through the entire population of Noah's Ark, I think (I admit I could be wrong) that moral capability is unique to mankind, at least on this planet.

[Three Sparrows]

If I remember correctly, in the New Testament Paul said to do whatever you feel is right, and refrain from doing whatever feels wrong. He did not say, do what you think is right, but what your heart feels. It requires a person to be in touch with the Holy Spirit inside of us.
Anyway, I'm sorry if I cannot remember the book it was in, but I hope this helps.

[MANICHAEAN]

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" said the Son of God.
He thus recognises that we lapse & sin.
If then we endeavour to commit the oldest type of sins in the newest kind of ways, is this a negative virtue?

[The Atheist]

Sounds more like a challenge.

[MANICHAEAN]

So go for it !

[blazeofglory]

You miss the point that morality is a human construct.

Is a cat sinful when it torments a rat for hours instead of killing it cleanly?

I agree morality is a human construct

[Nietzsche]

Some ancients, even certain Christian sects, found god through sex.


Don't forget, as stated before, Morality is a human construct. If you ask me, the greatest sin of all is stupidity and irresponsibility. It's too bad stupidity isn't more painful to those who do stupid things, haha. My point is, the moral standard for those who believe sex is only for marriage is because of the social contract sex is to some/was back then. Understand, back then they didn't exactly have condoms, so when you had sex chances are you'd have a baby, which if you did you were expected to be married otherwise the child would be frowned upon, as well as the parents would become outcasts. That's their view. I don't know if you are asking if it is okay for personal reasons, or out of curiosity for the scripture; but at least in my opinion do what you want and do it responsibly.

[blazeofglory]

Sin is a human construct. See there is no sin in nature and it is with we humans. We create ideas of sins and punish those who commit them.

Sins are simply our perceptions and nothing else at the root of them.

[JommiL]

Well, we had a lot of fun in our wedding-night.....:smash:


Usually, what do you think? Is it Ok or not?

[blazeofglory]

Sin is a not a particular fixed idea and it is just a perspective. Laws are framed by people taking certain circumstances into consideration only