Isn't Christianity a divisive idea?

[blazeofglory]

In fact we know religions have spilled lots of blood in the world and Hitler bloodied the world with his ideas of Christianity to exterminate the entire Jews species.

And today we know indoctrination poses a big threat to all of us and we are against the school of Madrasa that produces progenies of Islamic fundamentalists. In fact all religions have such elements or indoctrinations that have simply led to the intensification of fanaticism.

Why should we not follow pure spirituality clean of all these impurities of religiosity.

The idea of brotherhood is what we actually need today.

I think we need a prophet in this world that comes up with better ideas that unify us spiritually and integrate all once again.

Let us think unbiasedly we know things happen in churches that are menacing.

[weltanschauung]

no more prophets. people only need to learn how to think BY THEMSELVES.

[JBI]

Interesting that you use the term brotherhood - you would think, that after all this time, people would start to think more along the lines of "sisterhood" as clearly brotherhood has failed.

But then again, the whole concept of brotherhood is flawed - brotherhood is, in a sense, the cause of these conflicts - chauvinism, and association by categories.

In all honesty though, if we need a prophet, which we do not in my opinion, saying we need one, or preaching his coming isn't going to work.

Lets be honest again though, this is a pretty unfair stab at Christianity - extend the attack to everyone, atheists included.

It is a human issue, religion has very little to do with it. People are just obsessed with categories, that is all.


And lets be honest, "Jewish species"?

[LMK]

The divisiveness of Christianity began with Paul wanting to be a big fish in a little pond. Many horrific things have been done in the name of Christianity (speaking only about Christianity) but I don't think the intention was ever to exclude, but unite and I see that making a quiet comeback for those who believe and choose to participate.

~L

[hellsapoppin]

''religions have spilled lots of blood in the world and Hitler bloodied the world with his ideas of Christianity to exterminate the entire Jews species''


I posted the same idea on this forum a while ago and got attacked by a religious fanatic for doing so.

It is sad that a seemingly good book like the New Testament, whose stated intentions are so good, is used in such a perversely evil manner. If it is as valid as its professed adherents claim it is, then those who violate its tenets will have their day of reckoning eventually.

As for brotherhood, perhaps the word 'brethrenship' might be a tad more gender neutral and more in keeping with today's sensibilities. But history shows that war and divisiveness is more profitable than is that type of unity. While I join with you in saying that such unity is infinitely more desirable, alas, I cannot foresee when it will ever be attainable unless and until there is such a thing as a supernatural epiphany if such things can ever exist.

[DarkStormyNight]

Christianity is a divisive idea. Jesus himself said his coming would not bring peace, but a sword, tearing brother against brother.

The fact is, spiritual ideas will always tear people apart. The world is so deeply rooted in selfishness and greed that whenever spiritual truths are revealed, bloodshed soon follows, corrupting and suppressing the good that springs up.

As a Christian, I can only hope to seek the truth. I believe Christianity at it's core bears a message of unity and redemption, that humankind CAN be reformed through humility. Christians hope for a better future, one without the war and sin that divides people.

[hellsapoppin]

I'm not sure that Jesus meant it as a literal sword but illustrated it as ''the sword of the Holy Spirit, which is the Word of God'' according to Ephesians 6:17. In other words, he was not going to actually bring peace to the world during the time of the early church -- the Holy Spirit would eventually do so in a later time.

[DarkStormyNight]

I'm not sure that Jesus meant it as a literal sword but illustrated it as ''the sword of the Holy Spirit, which is the Word of God'' according to Ephesians 6:17. In other words, he was not going to actually bring peace to the world during the time of the early church -- the Holy Spirit would eventually do so in a later time.

But in the very next verse he says clearly, "For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw— a man's enemies will be the members of his own household."

Jesus knew the kind of message he brought would stir violence and contention. But such is the nature of his message. There will always be people trying to suppress a righteous message. Jesus knew that his followers would have to stand firm in dark times that would soon come.

[hellsapoppin]

I believe he was describing the age of the Apocalypse where the world would be in utter chaos. Thereafter, the Holy Spirit would theoretically come to bring peace.

''I have come to turn a man against his father ...''


Your point also illustrates something I had discussed a long time ago: that contrary to Christian teaching, the biblical god has duality - he is both good and evil as shown in Isaiah 45:7. This may not sit well with many Christians but the Bible says and illustrates it.

[ennison]

Hitler may have been brought up a Roman Catholic but he was no Christian. He was by conviction a German Nationalist and Hun Militarist.

[tailor STATELY]

Hitler may have been brought up a Roman Catholic but he was no Christian. He was by conviction a German Nationalist and Hun Militarist.

I was skeptical of the quote re: Hitler and his Catholic leaning(s). A quick check at wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs, please don't roll your eyes now (LOL), shows that what Hitler might of said very much belied his true beliefs, let alone practices.

As far as Christianity being devisive my faith, that of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, teaches that our Heavenly Father has a plan to bring us all back together with Him if we so desire and follow Christ.

IMHO while Christ's message to "follow me" would split up families and friends for 'discipleship(s)', Christ's disciples will ultimately spread Christ's message to all the world, including those who died and in life never had the opportunity to hear His message, and to those who rejected His message in life... Think of Sunday school for the dearly departed under Christ's immediate direction.

IMHO we will inherit one of the kingdoms of glory, or not, when we are ultimately judged by Christ; a kingdom of glory most likely one of our own choosing, bringing us together with those we most want to be with.

IMHO,
tailor STATELY

[blazeofglory]

Hitler may have been brought up a Roman Catholic but he was no Christian. He was by conviction a German Nationalist and Hun Militarist.

There are many Hitlers wearing masks of Christianty

[ennison]

There's lots of fake money in circulation but you don't throw the contents of your wallet in the fire because of that.

[Jazz_]

There's lots of fake money in circulation but you don't throw the contents of your wallet in the fire because of that.

I'm sorry, this confused me... are refering to religions as "fake money" among spirituality as a whole (your walet)? Or have I just poorly interpreted that? :confused: