Does John the Apostle remain alive?

[NewDiscovery]

now that is a question.

Most shall say NO way then add 'it is appointed once for man to die'.
or
ok- where is he~ so lets see him preach.
or
if he is alive where is his church.

If this 1 verse is true - where is Lazarus and many others raised from the dead.? ummm.
consider
if u are to die once, then the bible is wrong when the raised from the dead by Yahushua of Nazareth, died a 2nd time.

SO~ lets now consider 2 tim. 1 v 9-10-11 - Paul the apostle preached the Gospel that 'death [physical death] has been abolished by the Cross.

Do u think we have all believe a lie?

and

very few actually find eternal life because they believe the lie that death their last enemy cannot be overcome.

Did u know Apostle John wrote more about ETERNAL LIFE than any other.
eternal life has NO death in it u see it is LIFE ETERNAL as a gift bestowed upon a Believer - see John 11 verses 24-25-26 - very eye opening IF u have received ''the eye salve''.

SO why not become a ''spiritual detective'' and find out some bible hidden secrets that are in plain sight, but remain veiled by religious preconceived ideas.

have fun with your investigations.:)

[NewDiscovery]

is the removal from the law of sin and death.
Yahushua of Nazareth, said ''the gates of ''hell'' [the grave] shall not prevail aginst His church.

a ''graveless church'' = now who ever heard of such a thing? = only HIS FRIENDS :lol: those who have become as 1 with Himself. Co-heirs in Christ in the order of Melchedezek - the Order of priests with an incorruptible life amen.
or
The secret church where the grave cannot florish over its believers.
The church that Jesus builts is not ''seen'' for it is a spiritual church where all the believers have died [or in the process of dying] to their carnalmindness [which is death] and live in THE LIFE OF THE SPIRIT where there is now NO condemnation. [nope not in the life of the Spirit -thats the realm to dwell - get into that place amen]

its all to do with
"new covenant" the ''born again'' experience, the mortal being put off and replaced with immortal life = here and now. The ''new creation'' and the new spiritual man. quickened to life = yes Sir its all there hidden yet in plain sight.

I love telling others yet not many believe.

They jest, they jeer and mock - but who can blame them when they programmed to believe a lie and hold 'death' as a sacred friend.
yet
when their friend death is hovering near to them they shall do ANYTHING NOT to die nor TO BE ''with the Lord'' = how funny is that~!

''oh death where is thy sting''
here is our escape route.

“If a man loves Me, he will keep My words, and the Father will love him, and We will come to him and make our abode with him.”

so

if u have the 2 IMMORTAL DIVINES DWELLING IN YOU - where is death pray tell? Is death lirking in HIS IMMORTAL LIFE - no~! for no man could take Yahushua's life from Him UNLESS He lay it down.

When He said ''it is finished and gave up the ghost'' - do u actually know what happened?
HE DIED.
HE ALLOWED HIMSELF just TO DIE - His words made HIM die i.e. He spoke the word and died and the killer roman soldier could not believe such a thing that ''a man spoke out his death and then died'' none can do this~!

go look at the verses and come into a divine understanding of ''His word killed HIM''.
how amazing????

Heaven is not a place but a REALM.
Heaven is within and it was alive in Yahushua of Nazareth.
HE said ''Heaven is within you'' so - where is death in heaven?'' was death in Jesus NO. why in you then?
ummm

become a rebel - rebel at death and learn how to overcome it here and now today '' as we hear His voice''.

become a detective of truth and LEARN TO LIVE - THE LIFE OF CHRIST today.

can u do it?

[Wintermute]

Hi NewDiscovery,

To me this seems like preaching which in my opinion shouldn't be allowed on this board. I did read it however, and though the rambling nature of the prose made no sense to me, I would like to make one suggestion. Folks will tend to take you more seriously if you stop using 'u' for the word 'you'. I mean seriously, you've obviously spent a lot of time and brain power on this. Why not spend the extra micro-second or so to spell out the word 'you'?

Blessings,
Doug

[NewDiscovery]

the power to resurrect from the dead.
Not too many shall believe such a thing they have been programmed by misconception.
But, there are some who have entered into ''the rest''.
The rest is where life in the Spirit swings in to reproduce the LIFE OF CHRIST in a believer.

If we read John 11 and the whole story there we see the shortest verse ''Jesus wept''.
Most think He wept because Lazarus was dead.
NOT so.
He already knew the Father would be glorified by the raising of his friend.
Jesus wept.
for none understood the POWER OVER DEATH IN HIM, was now available to all believers.
Death can be overcome. amen,
PS
opps
sorry Doug you were offended.

[Wintermute]

Hiya NewDiscovery,


sorry Doug you were offended.

It takes a lot more than jejune rhetoric to offend me young fellow, hehe. No worries.

Peace,
Doug

[The Atheist]

Funny how those with new discoveries are as zealous as ex-smokers.

I guess it's a way of helping convince themselves that the vision is real.

[JBI]

Please tell me more! I'm just waiting to find where he has been hiding all these years! (perhaps under the mountain with Barbarossa?)

[virginiarey]

I understood what you posted here! This is quite amazing to say the least. I'm going to look further into it. Let me know what else you have, because I do have questions. Can you be contacted by email. I'm sorta new, so I don't know exactly how this works.:banana:

Blessings,
Virginia

[Pendragon]

See this post: http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showpost.php?p=873537&postcount=10

[johnnya]

Caught my attention when i saw the topic, this has been on my mind. So this is what I have read and test my faith. Jesus told john, his friend, His witness to what happened in Christ time, John who seemed to pass test that Christ gave. Many church reps have said that all those people Christ brought back to life died again, so they died twice in their life time? Sure people claim to die for small amount of time, but for example, Lazarus was dead 4 days, by then, yea, your dead. Now scriptures claim that Lazarus was also close to Jesus. From that point on , the priest of the temple also looked to kill Lazarus for fear of their glory fading. And in the last verse of the gospel of Matthew, its says the graves of the saints were opened and those bodies got out and went into the city. Christ has the power for eternal life, that’s why he was here. It is appointed for men to die once then the judgement, that is a scripture sayin in the bible in the book of Hebrews, and it is said the bible or word of God does not lie, most priest or preachers i have talked to say that all those resurrected by Christ died again, so somewhere there has to be a real beginning of the kingdom of God. I believe if all those people died again, well, what hope is there in this world then? Jesus said that in that time the 1st fruits and the harvest had started. John hasn't died, and Christ , can give such a gift, after all , look who is the author of eternal life and who gave it to him, read the gospel of John, how close he really was to Christ, he had more faith then all the others. They never actually found and verified the body of John being dead, they think he was boiled and tarred, back then, easy to fake i.d and no c.s.i. stuff . He could of actually walked off the isle of Patmos-like when Peter did and sunk-but John had the faith to walk anywhere, even Italy. John could even be one of the witnesses, since he didn't die, and it is appointed for men to die once, Revelations says the beast will kill the 2 witnesses and their bodies will lay in the streets for the whole world to look and 3 days later, they are brought back to life and taken to God. John was a close friend of Christ, he saw the future in visions as the book says while writing Revelations. But this book is really neat to read, a lot of puzzles and challenges you to prove it, he would be involved in shaping the return of the kingdom, making sure he is behind the scenes, possible the bodies of the saints who arose and Lazarus, surely these people would not make themselfs known to the public. And do not be suprised if you had already met one or crossed paths.

in ST.JOHN chapter 5, verse 21, it says
-For as the father raiseth up the dead, and quicketh whom he will.
verse 22, it says-
For the father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the son. This is said before the 5ooo people were fed event. Notice it says committed (all)judgement, so he could have judged anyone, but he didn't until the time, with one word he could have damned one by judging him before the time, that’s why the demons asked him about being judged. Christ had the will to sustain it.
Now verse 25 chapter 5, it says
Verily, verily, i say unto you. The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

That was present at that time, he was already raising the dead and judged them because the word of God allowed him because the hour was coming at his death.

Now the rest, verse 26-29,
For as the father hath life in himself:so hath given to the Son to have life in himself. And hath given him authority to execute judgement also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming. In the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice.

The hour is coming and the hour is, most people at that time believed in the end of time resurrection. When he gets there to Lazarus home, this is the conversation ( St.JOHN chapter 11 verse 21,) .
Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died, but I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God. God will give it thee. Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.(that was her faith,she did't believe he meant at that moment.) Jesus saith unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?( he asked her a direct question) and she saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. And then she left to continue her buisness. It's there in black and white words.
Later, chapter 12 verse 9 and 10. It says, Much people of the jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also whom he had raised from the dead. But the chief priest consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death. Why would Lazarus die again, when it is appointed for men to die once?? Who really knows, only God.

[NewDiscovery]

does John remain?

[Whifflingpin]

JBI "Please tell me more! I'm just waiting to find where he has been hiding all these years! (perhaps under the mountain with Barbarossa?) "

At the end of the 8th century, he was on a mountain in Ethiopia with, if I remember correctly, Elijah and Enoch. You'd have needed a flying horse to get to him.