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blazeofglory
06-12-2009, 01:57 AM
The ancients fought, and some have staked their lives and others have welcomed death-sentences. This classical question about the existence of God and His creation still continues to be questioned even after this long time span; and we are sill questioning. Yet this is s topic that never tires us of asking and there is a lot of animation that rejuvenates and refreshes us. And no atheists are totally satisfied with their ideas of atheism, and indeed deep down they are unsure about what they are arguing about. They simply wonder at what they see around and not in the least degree the rest of us do. After all their materialistic or non-idealistic ideas cannot be in harmony with idealisms, Gods, heavens etc. They have no answer if they are asked wherefrom life originates and wherein it ends up. This mind-boggling question goes on unendingly timelessly. Our fathers, grandfathers and the like are asking this. We know plenty of saints, sages asking and yet that truth even if some try to expose or unravel to us remain consecrated. My mind oscillates between these two forces, and it is really hard to be in balance, going to and fro all the time in point of fact.

This is really a mystifying question, and this question entails tens of thousand other questions in a chain. It is a very stigmatizing question, and all of us kind of simply are perplexed. So many times questions about this have been raised.

Maybe we want a new philosophy beyond spirituality and materialism or something that balances both. Of course we are torn between these two contrasting ideologies. Maybe truth is something more than this, or beyond this, and this divisive or duality mindset keeps us in a conundrum.
Man has a limitation and his path constrained by time and space. A spato-temporal being like man cannot take flights beyond material reality.
This topic is very fascinating and I am never tired of raising questions and seeking answers. I have read so many books related to this and listened to lectures, sermons and the like yet I am asking this with the same degree and intensity of inquisitiveness.

Tsuyoiko
06-15-2009, 11:48 AM
And no atheists are totally satisfied with their ideas of atheism, and indeed deep down they are unsure about what they are arguing about.

I'm totally satisfied with atheism. I tried lots of religions and never felt satisfied. After 20 years of searching I came to the realisation that I was looking for something that was totally unnecessary. In addition to that, it seems to me that all kinds of contradictory things are claimed about gods, so I've come to the conclusion that the whole concept is not only unnecessary, but incoherent.


After all their materialistic or non-idealistic ideas cannot be in harmony with idealisms, Gods, heavens etc. They have no answer if they are asked wherefrom life originates and wherein it ends up. This mind-boggling question goes on unendingly timelessly.

Lots of questions had no answer in the past, and Science eventually provided an answer. I think it's quite sensible to tentatively assume that Science will eventually figure out how life started, given the history of Science so far. And even if it doesn't, lack of an explanation doesn't entail a supernatural cause.


Maybe we want a new philosophy beyond spirituality and materialism or something that balances both. Of course we are torn between these two contrasting ideologies. Maybe truth is something more than this, or beyond this, and this divisive or duality mindset keeps us in a conundrum.

I don't think materialism and spirituality are mutually exclusive. In fact, I think my being an atheist and accepting material explanations has given me a special kind of spirituality. I've always found rainbows beautiful of course, but knowing that they are understood perfectly well by Science, that quite specific conditions are required for one to appear, that they are caused solely by the refraction and reflection of light at an angle of ~ 41 degrees through a raindrop; the fact that something so beautiful can come purely from these mundane physical accidents is very satisfying to me.