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ris
05-28-2009, 08:29 PM
Has anyone else read this new(ish) release? I'm not sure it fits into philosophical literature strictly (although that's where all the bookstores are placing it...)

The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work were what i thought was some sort of response to the early-Marxian concept of "alienation" through labour, which in some respects it was, but ultimately, i wasn't really sure what de Botton was upholding. He seemed to be drawing attention to the value/virtue of all jobs, no matter how tedious or meaningless, but at the same time described in depth feelings of disillusionment, depression, etc, whenever he had to encounter jobs like accountancy, etc. I wasn't sure how he could uphold such a position, when his encounters with the various professions he investigated, didn't really bring him any sense of joy or satisfaction.

And then again, de Botton seemed to me to give a very obviously outsider point of view - he's an academic and intellectual, who writes philosophy for a living. The jobs he explored weren't exactly close to any of his personal life experiences as a member of the workforce, and in some respects his idealism showed itself to be a false "tourist" perspective of the profession he was investigating...

Still, I'm willing to give his writing a go, and so have moved on to The Consolations of Philosophy, which i have so far found to be enjoyable (as little of it as i have read...)

Quark
05-30-2009, 02:56 PM
and so have moved on to The Consolations of Philosophy

How is that going?

Michael T
05-30-2009, 03:26 PM
Still, I'm willing to give his writing a go, and so have moved on to The Consolations of Philosophy, which i have so far found to be enjoyable (as little of it as i have read...)


You should read Bertrand Russell's 'In Praise of Idleness'...great book!:)

ris
06-08-2009, 02:33 AM
Quark - So far it's okay, though i've been distracted by Kazuo Ishiguro's Nocturnes so i haven't been reading much of Consolations the last two or three days. However the one thing i'm not liking in the chapter on concolations on unpopularity is that the links de Botton is trying to draw between Socrates and the common lonely individual seem...well farfetched to say the least. i don't know if appealing to Socrates was the greatest way to make his point...but anyway, i shall persist and probably be more concise in my opinion then :P heh

Michael T - I shall have a look into it. Thanks for the suggestion :)

Karl Rommel
06-18-2009, 05:15 PM
.... he's an academic and intellectual, who writes philosophy for a living.



He'd much rather say that he's a writer who writes Philosophy for a living! To which I add, documentary maker too!

No, not yet. But I have read Status Anxiety which I thoroughly recommend. His clarity and ease of expression is fortunate for those of us who might otherwise have never tackled the subject matter.