A little help needed from art and history buffs.

[Zee.]

Okay i'm doing an art series, just for fun - no particular reason. I love art and love to create interesting pieces as much as possible, but I need a little help with this one. I know my history pretty well, but only in specific areas - so i thought some suggestions from you guys might help me bridge some gaps.

I'm going to do a series of drawings of "soldiers"/warriors from history. Choosing a specific group from different periods in a "time line"
I'm not sure how far i'm going to date this back and i'm definitely not going to do drawings of soldiers from every war and every period in time.

So far I have ( in no historical order)

Tribal African warriors - I need some suggestions with this one
The Gladiators and foot soldiers from Rome
Spartans from Greece
Mayan warriors
The Vikings
The colonial militia that fought in the WOI
The Redcoats
Spanish Conquistadors
German soldiers from WWI
and the Fascist Italian army.

Other suggestions would be amazing - thank you.

[AimusSage]

You might want to add a Mongol soldier from the Genghis Khan era.
A Japanese Samurai
A NA Indian Warrior
Inca

Just of the top of my head. If I think of more I'll let you know. Can't really help with the tribal African Warriors, very diverse continent. Maybe go with a Zulu, they're famous for fighting the British colonial force although that is in the 19th century

[Zee.]

Ah yes, Mongol solider - absolutely perfect. I'd give a leg and arm to visit Mongolia one day.

I also need to add a Persian soldier to the list I think. NA - good idea
Thank you :)

[Michael T]

Make sure you make a drawing of the most modern/current technologically advanced soldier you can. It shows that we still haven't evolved into a race that is at peace, or can do without a military force.

[AimusSage]

Ah yes, Mongol solider - absolutely perfect. I'd give a leg and arm to visit Mongolia one day.

I also need to add a Persian soldier to the list I think. NA - good idea
Thank you :)
Persian Warrior, do an immortal, the real ones, not the ones from 300.
Although they were pretty awesome to look at :D


Make sure you make a drawing of the most modern/current technologically advanced soldier you can. It shows that we still haven't evolved into a race that is at peace, or can do without a military force.
Yeah! Peace! the moment infinite energy at no cost is discovered(yeah right), we all become peace loving. No scarcity of any kind...Until then, it's survival of the fittest. but then, it means will all be at peace. Hallelujah.:angel:

Oh wait, no it doesn't, there is still that annoying thing that even infinite energy can't solve... IT'S CALLED EVOLUTION! The second we are all peace loving monkey's, we'll stop to evolve and go extinct simple because we don't procreate any more. (Why do you think panda's are going extinct? (yeah I know that's not the real reason, I use it for illustrative purpose only, they lost their passion in captivity, simple because there was no need to ensure their domain, in other words, lack of conflict.)

I don't like war, or conflict for the most part, but it is an essential part of being human, sure some people take it a little too far, but I'd rather be human than a, well, pot smoking hippy... And what do you think happens when the hippy runs out of weed? He either dies or find a way to get more. The first option will get him a Darwin award :thumbs_up, the second option gets him into some form of conflict sooner or later. (How will he PAY for the weed?)

Passive aggressive behaviour leads to conflict too, only those that practice this method just say it isn't conflict, that's all.

A race at peace, without passion, only friendly faces that avoid any sort of conflict... :sick:

Sorry to burst your bubble mate.

[grace86]

It's already been mentioned, but I'm taking a history course that spans Iran's history, and the ancient history of the Persians is really amazing. Just a thought.

[librarius_qui]

I'm not a wargeming nut, but these guys
http://gardenwargaming.playclicks.com/forum/
are the best I know, and I respect some of them a lot!

I recommend taking a look at their thoughts, miss Jean.


lq~

[Sapphire]

What about throwing in some Amazons? :) Or do you think that is rather mythology than history?

Got to get some girl power in there, so what about checking [click] this wiki-page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_women_in_the_military) out? Those are rather specific female warriors than a whole group of soldiers though...

Will you share your efforts in here? I am pretty curious about what you will come up with :) Good luck!

[Janine]

British Soldiers and US Civil War Soldiers; there are actually several uniforms for the last and probably for the first, as well. Gee, how long do you have to do this project?

[librarius_qui]

As well as, well, that's me: so as to keep my ideas organized, I like to make some chronological arrangement, so ..

Tribal African warriors - I need some suggestions with this one
The Gladiators and foot soldiers from Rome
Spartans from Greece
Mayan warriors
The Vikings
The colonial militia that fought in the WOI
The Redcoats
Spanish Conquistadors
German soldiers from WWI
and the Fascist Italian army

Hm .. I'll need geographical arrangement as well :crash:
I'll take the opportunity to add anything I find ...

AFRICA
Tribal African warriors
> Egyptian warriors

EUROPE
Spartans from Greece
The Gladiators and foot soldiers from Rome
The Vikings
> Normans and other early Middle Age knights
> Crusaders & Muslim wars
Spanish Conquistadors
> Musketeers
> British navy of the XVII-XVIIIth centuries
The Redcoats
[> Japanese troopers from end of XIXth century]
German soldiers from WWI
[> British soldiers from the Great War ("WWI"), with those funny helmets! lol!]
and the Fascist Italian army
[> WWII Comunist army soldiers]
[> WWII British air force soldiers]

ASIA
> Assyrian (& Babylonian) warriors
> Mongolians (ancient eastern regions of Russia)
> Chinese warriors
> Samurai (Japan)

AMERICA
Mayan warriors (> and Aztec, and Inca)
(Spanish Conquistadors)
> north American natives
> US Civil War, Yankees and Confederates


(dont know what it is exactly ...)
The colonial militia that fought in the WOI

[Michael T]

Yeah! Peace! the moment infinite energy at no cost is discovered(yeah right), we all become peace loving. No scarcity of any kind...Until then, it's survival of the fittest. but then, it means will all be at peace. Hallelujah.:angel:

Oh wait, no it doesn't, there is still that annoying thing that even infinite energy can't solve... IT'S CALLED EVOLUTION! The second we are all peace loving monkey's, we'll stop to evolve and go extinct simple because we don't procreate any more. (Why do you think panda's are going extinct? (yeah I know that's not the real reason, I use it for illustrative purpose only, they lost their passion in captivity, simple because there was no need to ensure their domain, in other words, lack of conflict.)

I don't like war, or conflict for the most part, but it is an essential part of being human, sure some people take it a little too far, but I'd rather be human than a, well, pot smoking hippy... And what do you think happens when the hippy runs out of weed? He either dies or find a way to get more. The first option will get him a Darwin award :thumbs_up, the second option gets him into some form of conflict sooner or later. (How will he PAY for the weed?)

Passive aggressive behaviour leads to conflict too, only those that practice this method just say it isn't conflict, that's all.

A race at peace, without passion, only friendly faces that avoid any sort of conflict... :sick:

Sorry to burst your bubble mate.


Ha ha, burst my bubble? Surely such a simplistic attitude as to believe that a race can’t evolve unless it continues to make war with itself in the future is, in itself, proof that for some, evolution has already come to a stuttering halt. I’m sure there are still plenty of Neanderthals sitting in the privacy of their own homes stroking their ‘weapons’ in eager anticipation of another chance to evolve. However, I’m also certain that the vast majority can envisage the continuing advancement of humanity without what you seem to see as the necessary need for wholesale slaughter To suggest that a world without war is a world without passion or competition, or the ability to advance, seems incredibly narrow minded. Perhaps you should put down your copy of ‘Men with Big Guns’ magazine and look beyond the idea that violence is a necessity for advancement. Whilst war can certainly gain advantage for a nation, to suggest that it is a necessity for the continuance of evolution is mind numbingly crass. :D

[Niamh]

How about a Templar Lima?

[AimusSage]

Ha ha, burst my bubble? Surely such a simplistic attitude as to believe that a race can’t evolve unless it continues to make war with itself in the future is, in itself, proof that for some, evolution has already come to a stuttering halt. I’m sure there are still plenty of Neanderthals sitting in the privacy of their own homes stroking their ‘weapons’ in eager anticipation of another chance to evolve. However, I’m also certain that the vast majority can envisage the continuing advancement of humanity without what you seem to see as the necessary need for wholesale slaughter To suggest that a world without war is a world without passion or competition, or the ability to advance, seems incredibly narrow minded. Perhaps you should put down your copy of ‘Men with Big Guns’ magazine and look beyond the idea that violence is a necessity for advancement. Whilst war can certainly gain advantage for a nation, to suggest that it is a necessity for the continuance of evolution is mind numbingly crass. :D
Cool! you're bubble is stronger than I thought. Good for you. My bubble isn't that strong, and you have successfully convinced me. AWESOME! :lol:

Peace bro! :goof:

[Niamh]

You going to do it as a timeline? have you tought of doing it also as a collage? you could link different cultures at certain times in history this way... where they over lap historically. Along side the Spanish conquistadors you could have an aztez. With a Templar or crusader, you could have one of Saladans Kurdish/ persian army. With a Roman, you could have a celt etc etc... :)

[AimusSage]

I have the perfect Idea, have two warriors of each time frame battle each other in a gruesome scene of deadly battle!

So a Crusader vs. a Muslim warrior
A Mongol soldier vs. a Chinese soldier
Samurai vs. Samurai (or Ninja, if you insists)
19th century US soldier vs. Indian warrior
Viking vs. Knight
Roman Legionnaire vs. Germanic tribal warrior. (please don't use Gladiators, they were show fighters really, nothing to do with real combat.)
Greek vs. Persian

And so on.

But don't fall for the mistake Spike TV made by doing a dumb show with such fights as Viking vs. Samurai. (you can, just don't pretend there is any science other than Television science like CSI involved.)

Make it bloody with limbs flying everywhere, in the heat of battle.

(That'll show everyone the horrors of war, and teach everyone not to fight in kindergarten. :angel:)

[librarius_qui]

Oops .. I've missed Celts and Scots :sick:

They're great!

Robinhood-like characters (archers) would be interesting, as well.

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By the way, Jean, thanks for giving space for us, History buffs to chat around ... :gloomyrolleyes~

[Niamh]

Celts and scots kinda fall under the same heading. :)

[librarius_qui]

Celts and scots kinda fall under the same heading. :)

Maybe .. Scots are a weird kind of Celt breed, mixed with French :rolleyes:

(I honestly hope noone gets offended with this. If it helps, Brasilian are as much a weird king of mixed breed as well ... Only, much less admired than Scots, so, it's an honour to be of such origin :D (I mean, any Scotsman should be proud of being so, and know that many around the world envy them!))

[kilted exile]

*cough* erm not exactly - whilst there is a large correlation it ignores the pictish influence

[librarius_qui]

I have the perfect Idea, have two warriors of each time frame battle each other in a gruesome scene of deadly battle!

So a Crusader vs. a Muslim warrior
A Mongol soldier vs. a Chinese soldier
Samurai vs. Samurai (or Ninja, if you insists)
19th century US soldier vs. Indian warrior
Viking vs. Knight
Roman Legionnaire vs. Germanic tribal warrior. (please don't use Gladiators, they were show fighters really, nothing to do with real combat.)
Greek vs. Persian



US Civil War may give interesting art, if well done ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ8lMqv36rE&feature=related

[Niamh]

*cough* erm not exactly - whilst there is a large correlation it ignores the pictish influence

hence the kinda. :p we have a high viking influence but most people ignore that... :D

[Zee.]

British Soldiers and US Civil War Soldiers; there are actually several uniforms for the last and probably for the first, as well. Gee, how long do you have to do this project?

Well considering it is something I have undertaken for myself, I naturally choose the deadline and i'm going to make that my birthday. So... August the 22nd.


I have the perfect Idea, have two warriors of each time frame battle each other in a gruesome scene of deadly battle!

So a Crusader vs. a Muslim warrior
A Mongol soldier vs. a Chinese soldier
Samurai vs. Samurai (or Ninja, if you insists)
19th century US soldier vs. Indian warrior
Viking vs. Knight
Roman Legionnaire vs. Germanic tribal warrior. (please don't use Gladiators, they were show fighters really, nothing to do with real combat.)
Greek vs. Persian

And so on.

But don't fall for the mistake Spike TV made by doing a dumb show with such fights as Viking vs. Samurai. (you can, just don't pretend there is any science other than Television science like CSI involved.)

Make it bloody with limbs flying everywhere, in the heat of battle.

(That'll show everyone the horrors of war, and teach everyone not to fight in kindergarten. :angel:)






I like the idea of them facing each other but.. no bloody limbs flying everywhere, only because I want to draw them poised and ready to fight, rather than being involved in a battle.
When i say "timeline" i didn't mean a literal time line, i Just meant as an idea in my head. At the end of it, they are all going to be separate pieces on separate paper, but when put together, show a timeline of history.

The only thing about WWI, WWII - and for other wars in history, in relation to my drawings is, I only want to use a country once. If i use the German soldiers for WWI i don't want to draw them for WWII.

[Stargazer86]

What a cool project. I certainly hope you post these as you finish them as I (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) would love to see them.

Do you plan on doing any guerilla warfare stuff? Anything more modern? Vietnam, I think, would be very significant...kids doing drugs in a crazy f*cked up environment...like in Apocalypse Now. Desert Storm...most of the other ones I would have suggested have already been mentioned. Good luck with your project :)

[Zee.]

As far as the Union and the Confederates go, i'll draw those as a representation of America.


I must include a Maori warrior while i'm at it.


As for the mention of females earlier on, I'll do the Amazons


What a cool project. I certainly hope you post these as you finish them as I (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) would love to see them.

Do you plan on doing any guerilla warfare stuff? Anything more modern? Vietnam, I think, would be very significant...kids doing drugs in a crazy f*cked up environment...like in Apocalypse Now. Desert Storm...most of the other ones I would have suggested have already been mentioned. Good luck with your project :)



I was going to cut it off at WWII but I almost feel I have this obligation to include the Vietnam war. But the whole idea of the project wasn't so much about the wars as it was a study of different soldiers and warriors from different civilizations.

However, although I wanted to cut it off at WWII - I definitely want to finish up the whole project with my last soldier having a flower sticking out the barrel of his gun.

And yes, I will definitely post them here for all of you to see

[Niamh]

Make it a poppy. its is recognised when it comes to war after all.

[*Classic*Charm*]

What about a knight LJ?

[Niamh]

Templars were Knights and i've mentioned them. :)

[*Classic*Charm*]

My bad :blush:

[Niamh]

oh i wasnt being smart! i hope i didnt come across that way! :blush:

[*Classic*Charm*]

No, no, not at all haha :)

[Zee.]

AH yes a Knight. My god, a Knight didn't even cross my mind. Jesus.