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Taliesin

05-04-2005, 07:23 AM

Since Scher didnõt ask anything, We shall use it.

Here is a proof that all people in Canada are the same age. Using mathematical induction.

Step 1 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess19.html): In any group that consists of just one person, everybody in the group has the same age, because after all there is only one person!

Step 2 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess20.html): Therefore, statement S(1) is true.

Step 3 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess21.html): The next stage in the induction argument is to prove that, whenever S(n) is true for one number (say n=k), it is also true for the next number (that is, n = k+1).

Step 4 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess22.html): We can do this by (1) assuming that, in every group of k people, everyone has the same age; then (2) deducing from it that, in every group of k+1 people, everyone has the same age.

Step 5 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess23.html): Let G be an arbitrary group of k+1 people; we just need to show that every member of G has the same age.

Step 6 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess24.html): To do this, we just need to show that, if P and Q are any members of G, then they have the same age.

Step 7 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess25.html): Consider everybody in G except P. These people form a group of k people, so they must all have the same age (since we are assuming that, in any group of k people, everyone has the same age).

Step 8 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess26.html): Consider everybody in G except Q. Again, they form a group of k people, so they must all have the same age.

Step 9 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess27.html): Let R be someone else in G other than P or Q.

Step 10 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess28.html): Since Q and R each belong to the group considered in step 7, they are the same age.

Step 11 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess29.html): Since P and R each belong to the group considered in step 8, they are the same age.

Step 12 (www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess30.html): Since Q and R are the same age, and P and R are the same age, it follows that P and Q are the same age.

Step 13 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess31.html): We have now seen that, if we consider any two people P and Q in G, they have the same age. It follows that everyone in G has the same age.

Step 14 (http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/falseProofs/guess32.html): The proof is now complete: we have shown that the statement is true for n=1, and we have shown that whenever it is true for n=k it is also true for n=k+1, so by induction it is true for all n.

What step is wrong? Where's the mistake? Press the step that you think is wrong and you shall know if you answered correctly.

Taliesin

05-04-2005, 07:25 AM

BTW.Mathematical induction means this:

A Brief Review of the Principle of Induction
The principle of mathematical induction says this: Suppose you have a set of natural numbers (natural numbers are the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, . . . ). Suppose that 1 is in the set. Suppose also that, whenever n is in the set, n+1 is also in the set. Then every natural number is in the set.
To state it more informally: suppose you have the number 1 in your collection, and for each number that you have in the collection, you also have it plus 1 in your collection. Then you have all the natural numbers.

Intuitively, the idea is that if you start with the number 1, and keep on adding 1 to it, you will eventually get to every number.

The principle of induction is extremely important because it allows one to prove many results that are much more difficult to prove in other ways. The most common application is when one has a statement one wants to prove about each natural number. It may be quite difficult to prove the statement directly, but easy to derive the truth of the statement about n+1 from the truth of the statement about n. In that case, one appeals to the principle of induction by showing

The statement is true when n=1.
Whenever the statement is true for one number n, then it's also true for the next number n+1.
If you can prove those two things, then the principle of induction says that the statement must be true for all natural numbers. (Reason: let S be the set of numbers for which the statement is true. Item 1 says that 1 is in the set, and item 2 says that, whenever one number n is in the set, n+1 is also in the set. Therefore, all numbers are in the set).
As an example, consider proving that 1+2+3+· · ·+n = n(n+1)/2. To try to prove that equality for a general, unspecified n just by algebraic manipulations is very difficult. But it's easy to prove by induction, because it's true when n=1 (1 = 1(1+1)/2), and whenever it's true for one number n, that means 1+2+3+· · ·+n = n(n+1)/2, so 1+2+3+· · ·+n+(n+1) = n(n+1)/2 + (n+1) = (n+1)(n+2)/2, so it's also true for n+1. These two facts, combined with the principle of induction, mean that it's true for all n.

Molko

05-04-2005, 08:23 AM

Here's a riddle, though its kind of an easy one:

A flower is floating in the middle of a lake. Every minute the flower doubles in size. In an hours time the flower is the size of the lake. At what time was the flower half the size of the lake?

Scheherazade

05-04-2005, 08:25 AM

Molko

05-04-2005, 08:44 AM

I dont think that there is a missing dollar..... 25 pounds is with the hotel manager, 2 pounds is with the bell boy, and 3 pounds have been given back to the 3 people. 25 + 2+ 3 = 30....

have I done this right? Lol :p

Molko

05-04-2005, 08:48 AM

Okay, here's another easy one :p

A little boy lives on the 17th floor of a building. When he needs to reach ground floor, he takes the elevator straight down. But when he needs to go back up to the 17th floor, he has to get off at the 6th floor and walk up a flight of stairs to reach his destination. Why is this so? ...And no, the elevator isnt broken past the 6th floor, lol :p

Taliesin

05-04-2005, 09:16 AM

He is not tall enough to push higher than the 6th floor button.

Two trains 150 miles apart are traveling toward each other along the same track. The first train goes 60 miles per hour; the second train rushes along at 90 miles per hour. A fly is hovering just above the nose of the first train. It buzzes from the first train to the second train, turns around immediately, flies back to the first train, and turns around again. It goes on flying back and forth between the two trains until they collide. If the fly's speed is 120 miles per hour, how far in sum will it travel?

Scheherazade

05-04-2005, 01:07 PM

120 miles.

You are your way to visit your Grandma, who lives at the end of the valley. It's her birthday, and you want to give her the cakes you've made.

Between your house and her house, you have to cross 7 bridges, and as it goes in the land of make believe, there is a troll under every bridge! Each troll, quite rightly, insists that you pay a troll toll. Before you can cross their bridge, you have to give them half of the cakes you are carrying, but as they are kind trolls, they each give you back a single cake.

How many cakes do you have to leave home with to make sure that you arrive at Grandma's with exactly 2 cakes?

Taliesin

05-05-2005, 01:19 PM

Two.

How many F-s are there in this sentence:

FINISHED FILES ARE THE RESULT OF YEARS
OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY COMBINED WITH THE
EXPERIENCE OF YEARS.

Scheherazade

05-05-2005, 01:24 PM

6

Last week I bought a word processor small enough to fit in my pocket. It can write in any language and also add, multiply, subtract, divide. It has a delete facility that will correct any error made and no electricity or batteries are required to operate it. Amazingly, it only cost me 25 pence. Why?

Taliesin

05-05-2005, 02:13 PM

Its a pen?

Now a question series:

a) How many moves it takes to put an elephant in a fridge?
b)How many moves it takes to put a giraffe in a fridge?
c)Lion, the king of the animals, annunced a assembly of all animals. All animal but one came. Which one did not come?
d) You need to cross a river full of crocodiles. There is no bridge, there is no raft, no boat, nothing actually. How do you cross the river?

Helga

05-05-2005, 03:16 PM

a) open fridge and put elephant in and close
b) open fridge take elephant out and put giraffe in and close
c) the giraffe dosen't come, he's in the fridge
d) the crocodiles are at the assembly so you swim over

What can a mouse drag just as easaly as an elephant?

Scheherazade

05-09-2005, 02:37 PM

His feet?

Study this paragraph and all things in it. What is vitally wrong with it? Actually, nothing in it is wrong, but you must admit that it is most unusual. Don't just zip through it quickly, but study it scrupulously. With luck you should spot what is so particular about it and all words found in it. Can you say what it is? Tax your brains and try again. Don't miss a word or a symbol. It isn't all that difficult!

Taliesin

05-09-2005, 03:14 PM

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess, weeee undeeerstand.

What is the next number in sequence: 1 11 21 1211 111221 312211 131112221....

kilted exile

05-10-2005, 04:03 PM

Study this paragraph and all things in it. What is vitally wrong with it? Actually, nothing in it is wrong, but you must admit that it is most unusual. Don't just zip through it quickly, but study it scrupulously. With luck you should spot what is so particular about it and all words found in it. Can you say what it is? Tax your brains and try again. Don't miss a word or a symbol. It isn't all that difficult!

Does it contain every letter in the alphabet?

baddad

05-10-2005, 04:07 PM

......Study this paragraph and all things in it. What is vitally wrong with it? Actually, nothing in it is wrong, but you must admit that it is most unusual. Don't just zip through it quickly, but study it scrupulously. With luck you should spot what is so particular about it and all words found in it. Can you say what it is? Tax your brains and try again. Don't miss a word or a symbol. It isn't all that difficult!

The letter E is not used.

Scheherazade

05-10-2005, 04:13 PM

Yes, the letter 'e' is not used... as Tal pointed out yesterday... ;)

Snukes

05-10-2005, 04:32 PM

Taliesin's math problems are turning my brain to mush!!

So I say...

As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives.
Each wife had seven sacks
In each sack was seven cats.
Each cat had seven kits.
Kits, cats, sacks, wives...
How many were going to St. Ives?

amuse

05-10-2005, 04:33 PM

are we counting kits as cats? or only kits?

*kit-kat, kit-kat :D

baddad

05-10-2005, 04:38 PM

One person going to St. Ives

Scheherazade

05-10-2005, 04:49 PM

*kit-kat, kit-kat :D
Hey, hey, hey! You should know better than playing with a gal's feelings! :D

amuse

05-10-2005, 05:15 PM

*wiggles fingers in ears and repeats Schemantra. :p

Scheherazade

05-10-2005, 07:06 PM

What is the next number in sequence: 1 11 21 1211 111221 312211 131112221....

Tal, are you sure about the last number in that sequence? Shouldn't it be 13112221? And if so, the number to follow is: 1113213211?

Which letter comes next?
A C F J O ...

mono

05-11-2005, 02:09 AM

A C F J O ...
The letter 'U.'

Tricky - Psyche gave me this one once: :brow:
Which letter comes next in this one: O T T F F

Scheherazade

05-11-2005, 03:12 AM

Which letter comes next in this one: O T T F F
S followed by another S and E and N and T... :D

Tom runs the first half of a race at 5 miles per hour. Then he picks up his pace and runs the last half of the race at 10 miles per hour. What is his average speed on the course?

Shimbry

05-11-2005, 07:20 PM

Like going back to math class! :D

Should be 7.5 miles per hour, yes? That's too easy... I must be missing a trick...

What has four wheels and flies?

Molko

05-12-2005, 08:57 AM

A flying car! Lol - nah, Im just being stupid :p

Snukes

05-12-2005, 09:01 AM

Hm. I'm with Shimbry... is there a trick to that question, Scher?

A garbage truck!

And, uh, hm... Gonna have to scratch my brain awhile for a riddle, in the meanwhile, back to patterns!

A 3 B 2 C 2 D 2 E 5 F 4 G 4 H ...

That should be enough. :)

Scheherazade

05-12-2005, 11:52 AM

Tom runs the first half of a race at 5 miles per hour. Then he picks up his pace and runs the last half of the race at 10 miles per hour. What is his average speed on the course?
The answer is not 7.5 miles per hour.

Say the course is 20 miles long. Tom runs the first half the course in 2 hours and the second half in 1 hour; which means he needs 3 hours to run the total of 20 miles. Therefore, his average speed is 20/3 = 6.66 (or 6.7) miles per hour.

Taliesin

05-12-2005, 01:10 PM

Scher, you didn't mention if the race meant the distance of the race or the time of the race and therefore one cannot be sure whether to use the arithmetic or the harmonic average.

Scheherazade

05-12-2005, 01:16 PM

Maybe I should have said 'race course'...

Tal, have you seen post #36?

Scheherazade

05-13-2005, 10:49 AM

A 3 B 2 C 2 D 2 E 5 F 4 G 4 H ...
Any takers for this one? As some of my students would say 'It's doin' me head in...' ;)

Or shall we ask Snukes to reveal the answer?

Snukes

05-13-2005, 06:43 PM

... H 4 I 4 J 3 K 4 L 3 M 5 N 4 O 0 P 2 Q 1 R 3 S 2 T...

Scheherazade

05-17-2005, 05:56 PM

T 3 U 2 V 3 W 5 X 4 Y 3 Z 4 ???

Which two letters should follow?

PL NE UR SA JU MA ==?==

Snukes

05-17-2005, 06:55 PM

Good job, Scher! ;)

EA VE ME :)

Uhh...

I am greater than God
And more evil than the Devil
The poor have me
The rich need me
And if you eat me, you will die.

JKPolk

05-17-2005, 11:49 PM

I am greater than God
And more evil than the Devil
The poor have me
The rich need me
And if you eat me, you will die.

heh, jst happened to be passing by these boards and saw this... for once a riddle i know!!

it's: nothing

hmm, i'll hope this wasn't posted already

"what word in this sentence is spelled wrong?"

Taliesin

05-18-2005, 12:23 AM

wrong

what is the next and previous number in series:

....1415926535....

mono

05-18-2005, 02:26 AM

what is the next and previous number in series:

....1415926535....
Do you mean pi?

Previous number: 3.
Next number: 8 . . . 979323 . . . ad infinitum.

Taliesin

05-18-2005, 02:31 PM

Of course it is pi

You forgot your question.

mono

05-18-2005, 02:35 PM

Oops, sorry. :p

A little riddle:

You throw away the outside and cook the inside. Then you eat the outside and throw away the inside. What did you eat?

Snukes

05-18-2005, 03:50 PM

It's the I-80 song!!

*deepbreath* Corncorncorncorncorncorncorncorncorncorncorncornco rnlookatree!corncorncorncorncorncornCOWcorncorncor n...

:D

He who makes me doesn't want me.
He who buys me doesn't need me.
He who needs me doesn't know it.

mono

05-18-2005, 11:43 PM

It's the I-80 song!!

*deepbreath* Corncorncorncorncorncorncorncorncorncorncorncornco rnlookatree!corncorncorncorncorncornCOWcorncorncor n...
Correct! :banana:

He who makes me doesn't want me.
He who buys me doesn't need me.
He who needs me doesn't know it.
Answer: a casket, if I remember correctly, as I think I have heard this one before. :D

I have neither flesh, nor feathers,
Neither scales, nor bone.
Yet I have fingers and thumbs of my own.
What am I?
:brow:

Scheherazade

06-22-2005, 03:03 AM

Gloves.

From what can you take its whole and still leave some?

*bump*

Snukes

06-22-2005, 10:44 AM

I'm going to be annoying an not answer Scher's question before posing one of my own. This isn't exactly a legitimate brain teaser, since I don't really have an answer, but I am VERY curious if anyone else can sort out all the strange numbers. In my poor brain, it really doesn't make good sense, but apparently it's possible... (copying from Random Thought thread):

If a donkey needs to drink 30L of water every other day, and a donkey can travel 40km a day, and a donkey can carry ~100kg of weight, and a 15kg jar can carry 25kg of water... how the heck is it possible for a train of donkeys to cross a 600km desert???

Nightshade

06-22-2005, 11:33 PM

Easy they can pull carts loaded with water or even better they are transported by truck or air :brow:
is that right??

Sorry dead easy one is all I can think of!

Chickens come home to roost,
I come around I go around what am I?

Basil

06-23-2005, 12:37 AM

From what can you take its whole and still leave some?

the word wholesome
__________________

Scheherazade

06-23-2005, 01:45 AM

Where is your question, GB? ;)

Basil

06-23-2005, 01:53 AM

If it's a question you be seeking, Snukes and Nightshade both have outstanding questions you can marinate on if you wish :p

Scheherazade

06-23-2005, 02:04 AM

I think Jay answered Snukes' question in some other thread and I hadn't seen Night's post...

Still you are supposed to leave a question when you answer one! :D

Basil

06-23-2005, 02:17 AM

My daughter has many sisters. She has as many sisters as she has brothers. Each of her brothers has twice as many sisters as brothers. How many sons and daughters do I have?

Scheherazade

06-23-2005, 02:37 AM

Chickens come home to roost,
I come around I go around what am I?Sun?

My daughter has many sisters. She has as many sisters as she has brothers. Each of her brothers has twice as many sisters as brothers. How many sons and daughters do I have?Three?

A monk has a very specific ritual for climbing up the steps to the temple. First he climbs up to the middle step and meditates for 1 minute. Then he climbs up 8 steps and faces east until he hears a bird singing. Then he walks down 12 steps and picks up a pebble. He takes one step up and tosses the pebble over his left shoulder. Now, he walks up the remaining steps three at a time which only takes him 9 paces. How many steps are there?

Scheherazade

06-23-2005, 04:34 AM

My daughter has many sisters. She has as many sisters as she has brothers. Each of her brothers has twice as many sisters as brothers. How many sons and daughters do I have?
Correection! After many prompts from Basil, the answer is 3 sons and 4 daughters! :goof:

Snukes

06-23-2005, 07:13 AM

No, nay, neigh, alas! My donkey problem is not solved! I can't remember Jay's answer in the other thread, but I remember thinking no no, that's not right...

The problem is, the setting is Egypt, ca. 2500 bce. No airplanes, no technology... just donkeys and jars. They can't even pull carts through the desert. It's not a trick question, it's logic question. I think it might be a bit like "if you have a fox, a chicken, and a bag of chicken feed, how can you cross a river in a boat that only fits you and one other item without having either the chicken or the chicken feed get eaten?"

I'm probably just rambling myself into a hole which I will never get out of.

The answer should have something to do with leaving jars of water at intervals throughout the desert. I just can't figure out how they could get far enough to leave the water if they need the water to get there in the first place...

Nightshade

06-24-2005, 05:57 AM

This is egypt right?
well the Ancients had their ways and means, underground spring s and wells plus back then the dried valleys were only recently dried so oasis were more frequent plus there are 2 sides to the desert so each goes as far as they can and there are the dessert settlements
Is this the kind of thing you are looking for??

The sun???
No sher the answer is not the sun so my q again
Chickens come home to roost,
I come around I go around, what am I?

Snukes

06-25-2005, 08:29 AM

Okay, as suggested to me by a classmate with more brains than myself: if the nice little donkeys go as far as they can and leave their jars at a designated rest stop, some more donkies can then come along with more than enough water to fill the jars (using lighter means of transportation, such as skin sacks). Once that rest stop is established, another rest stop further into the destert can be established. And so on until you have a chain of rest stops at regular intervals all the way across the desert. Still, the only way this would work is if you have some people (and donkeys) whose job is to do nothing at all other than make sure the jars stay full. If every caravan had to bring their own water and left none for the next people to come, it still wouldn't work.

Hm. I guess I feel better about that. And no, no Ancients with a capital A. ;) No matter what Stargate would like us to believe, the people who lived back then were no smarter or more clever than we are today. No whacky otherworldly machinery to help them suck water out of a dry desert. It's not quite far enough back for there to be so many oases. In fact, the two oases that can be confirmed as still being wet at that point - Dahkla and Kufra - are on opposite ends of this trail that I'm trying to figure out. You have to tack on another thousand or so years before it's still that wet.

Hehe. Thanks for the tries!

So... Nighshade... how about a cukoo (kucoo? cucoo? kooku?) clock that had it's cukoo evicted by some evil chickens?

I hate chickens...

Nightshade

06-25-2005, 10:15 AM

why didnt I think of that answer to Snukes riddle thing??

No Snukes its not a cuckoo---
here is a hint I made it up ( proves Im useless at riddles mabe Ill join the person who made up the Raven and writing desk riddle) and its more based on laungauge than what the words actually mean, okay?

Chickens come home to roost,
I come around I go around, what am I?

Nightshade

07-16-2005, 03:12 PM

The answer is Karma or bad wishes, you know what they say yor chickens will come home to roost? when somthing bad you have done comes back to haunt you??
What goes around comes around and all that
;)

Bianca Fransen

07-17-2005, 08:30 AM

A monk has a very specific ritual for climbing up the steps to the temple. First he climbs up to the middle step and meditates for 1 minute. Then he climbs up 8 steps and faces east until he hears a bird singing. Then he walks down 12 steps and picks up a pebble. He takes one step up and tosses the pebble over his left shoulder. Now, he walks up the remaining steps three at a time which only takes him 9 paces. How many steps are there?

I think 48 steps... :goof:

Scheherazade

08-24-2005, 12:14 PM

It is 49 steps actually :)

What gets wetter as it dries?

Taliesin

08-24-2005, 02:11 PM

A piece of writing in ink describing wetness - when the letters are foggy and undried, the point of wetness is not that clear than when they are nice and dry.
Somewhy we don't think it is the right answer.

AimusSage

08-24-2005, 05:30 PM

It is 49 steps actually :)

What gets wetter as it dries?

Oh, I know this one, but I don't know a new riddle

Below is the answer, so don't read!!!!!!!

A Towel

Scheherazade

10-08-2005, 06:41 PM

Which pair of letters comes next in this sequence:

on et wo th re ef ou

Nightshade

10-09-2005, 06:01 AM

rf iv es ix se

ect ect

:D
is that right??

Scheherazade

10-09-2005, 06:13 AM

Yes, Night. Will you ask another question?

Nightshade

10-09-2005, 06:14 AM

errr no??
:D
you ask one my brain is not up to it his morning :nod:

Scheherazade

10-09-2005, 07:33 PM

Since Night is not posting a question...

Which city will George be visiting next summer?

http://www.brainbashers.com/puzzleimages/blocksq.gif

Nightshade

10-10-2005, 04:54 AM

thtas a skyline or whatever isnt it and I revognise it just cant think.....
Dumyat!!!! :D probably not though:lol:

Pendragon

10-10-2005, 08:46 AM

Since Night is not posting a question...

Which city will George be visiting next summer?

http://www.brainbashers.com/puzzleimages/blocksq.gif
Chicago, of course.

My question:

When is a door not a door? :lol:

Scheherazade

10-10-2005, 01:40 PM

When is a door not a door? When it is ajar??

What word is the same backwards and upside down?

Darlin

10-10-2005, 04:23 PM

If in capital letters SOS.

What is blue and green and brown but always clear the world wide round?

Pendragon

10-11-2005, 10:12 AM

Eyes??--------

Nightshade

10-11-2005, 05:14 PM

eyes arent always clear they can be clouded by tears and or ain or so they say at least :D

Darlin

10-11-2005, 05:23 PM

Eyes??--------

:) Nope. :)

Nightshade

10-11-2005, 05:28 PM

sign posts??
but no they are not clear for eg there is one in egypt (one of personal faveS) that reads
No wimmin
can you guess what it is meant to say??

Scheherazade

10-11-2005, 05:36 PM

What is blue and green and brown but always clear the world wide round?Glass?

'No wimmin' = No Women?

__________________

Nightshade

10-11-2005, 05:40 PM

If this is the right answer I am dissapointed glass can also be cloudy....
I feel like playing devils advocate tonight sorry Shade is commong out to play!!!

Darlin

10-11-2005, 08:08 PM

You can relax, Nightshade it isn't the right answer. :) You know I just made it up out of the blue but when I told my daughter she guessed it right away. Let me know if you give up.

Pendragon

10-12-2005, 09:19 AM

Give me a minor chord please, mastro. Thank you. (singing) Cool, clear, water...water

Darlin

10-12-2005, 04:19 PM

Brilliant! Easy eh? :) Next brain twister?

Nightshade

10-12-2005, 09:51 PM

I dont get it??!!
Ps water can be murkey;):lol:

Nightshade

10-12-2005, 09:52 PM

I want to ask a question but its Pendragons turn(ps make it very very easy so I get to ask :D)

Pendragon

10-13-2005, 08:55 AM

OK. Yes, water gets murky, but if you put it in a glass...

Anyway, next question:

You are in a room with a window in all four walls. Each window faces South. A bear walks by. What color is the bear?

Scheherazade

10-13-2005, 09:39 AM

White as only in the South Pole all the windows can face the South and polar bears are white.

What three letter word best completes the below words?

***Y

SW***

AL***

W***

F***

Pendragon

10-13-2005, 09:55 AM

White as only in the South Pole all the windows can face the South and polar bears are white.
North Pole, dear lady. At the South Pole all windows face North. But you are correct about the Polar Bear, and they only live near the North Pole. :)

Scheherazade

10-13-2005, 09:58 AM

I meant to say North Pole! :goof:

Taliesin

10-13-2005, 02:56 PM

Anon22

10-13-2005, 04:03 PM

Army
Swarm
Alarm
Warm
Farm

The word is "arm".

Hmm.
Well, this isn't exactly a brain teaser, but it is an interesting story our literature teacher told us. It cannot be solved with pure logic, it needs some knowledge on history of literature. We probably don't remember it exactly how it was told, but we'll try.

Once, in the last century, some Russian intellectuals got the permission to visit France.
One of them met a french noble in a cafe. They chatted and had really interesting thoughts and so on but then the russian asked the French nobleman's name.
He answered: "If I tell you my name, you will leave the table."
The russian was surprised and didn't believe him and asked him to tell it anyway.
The frenchman said his name, and, to prevent the russian from leaving, he himself left the table.

What was the frenchmans (last) name?

It has got nothing to do with the languages nor is it a play on words.

I've no idea... lol. Away? I have a strange feeling that we(or maybe the Russian people) obtained a word because of this event(probably his last name)

Anyhow... now that I noticed this topic I think I'll delete my riddles topic to prevent having 2 topics of the same thing(basically). Anyhow... my riddle?

Not being part of the group of flight, away it flies alone. What is it?(not Time, kind of fits the riddle though)

btw the answer to the riddle in my topic was selfishness, kind of easy:

Me before You
You after Me
Me, Me, Me
This is what it's all about. What is it?(Selfishness)

EDIT:
bleh... apparently I can't delete it... oh well... I'll just let it die then

Pendragon

10-13-2005, 05:44 PM

Not being part of the group of flight, away it flies alone. What is it?(not Time, kind of fits the riddle though)

Light :rolleyes:

Nightshade

10-14-2005, 06:35 AM

Once, in the last century, some Russian intellectuals got the permission to visit France.
One of them met a french noble in a cafe. They chatted and had really interesting thoughts and so on but then the russian asked the French nobleman's name.
He answered: "If I tell you my name, you will leave the table."
The russian was surprised and didn't believe him and asked him to tell it anyway.
The frenchman said his name, and, to prevent the russian from leaving, he himself left the table.

What was the frenchmans (last) name?

It has got nothing to do with the languages nor is it a play on words.

ohh was he related to Ras-whats his face and the russian reveloution or are we talking before that??

Pendragon

10-14-2005, 07:47 AM

Anon22

10-14-2005, 09:52 AM

Nope, not light

Taliesin

10-14-2005, 11:39 AM

Nope.
Hint: it has got a thing to do with an ancestor of the Frenchman.
And we are talkingabout time before the Russian revolution.

Related to russian literature.

Nightshade

10-14-2005, 04:09 PM

Not being part of the group of flight, away it flies alone. What is it?(not Time, kind of fits the riddle though)
life

@tailsin was he decended from the whats there faces "loius"s

Anon22

10-14-2005, 04:42 PM

Nope, gee... @.@ that also kind of fits the riddle. Anyhow...

Hint: It's something you can see, touch, smell, hear and I guess taste... but yuck

Pendragon

10-14-2005, 06:27 PM

Nope, gee... @.@ that also kind of fits the riddle. Anyhow...

Hint: It's something you can see, touch, smell, hear and I guess taste... but yuck
I'm laughing here...

Are we talking bird flight or airplane flight?

Bird flight--poop
Airplane flight--exust from engines

Even if I am wrong this is funny to me... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Pendragon

10-14-2005, 06:32 PM

Nope.
Hint: it has got a thing to do with an ancestor of the Frenchman.
And we are talkingabout time before the Russian revolution.

Related to russian literature.Ah. Then perhaps the Frenchman was named Rothschild?

Nightshade

10-16-2005, 06:26 PM

Not being part of the group of flight, away it flies alone. What is it?(not Time, kind of fits the riddle though)

Hint: It's something you can see, touch, smell, hear and I guess taste... but yuck
Hair? as in flyway hair??

Anon22

10-17-2005, 04:49 PM

No. Not that either.

Last Hint: It's a living thing

Darlin

10-17-2005, 05:51 PM

Arrgghhhh! This has been bothering me for days! Does everyone give up? I do. I want the answer. Patience isn't my greatest virtue.

Nightshade

10-17-2005, 06:16 PM

give up !NEVER
*spies darlin approaching with a slightly annoyed look
OkOk I give up!
whats the answer!! Oh but make it invisible so I can still think aboutt it ;)

Nightshade

10-17-2005, 06:17 PM

a fly!!!!!
wait they dont smell
sweat no not living hummm
a vulture!!
no-?
:lol:

Pendragon

10-17-2005, 07:45 PM

If I missed with my guesses, I'm not to proud to admit defeat! I can't think of a living thing--a parisite--final answer, Regis... :idea:

Anon22

10-17-2005, 10:05 PM

When I said earlier about you being able to smell it, feel it, touch it, etc. it was just so you guys would not think of things like time, hope, love, that type of stuff you can't really see. Basically I did that so you would start thinking only about objects, people, animals, etc. So even though a fly doesn't smell... I would still count it as part of the hint(not the answer though)

Anon22

10-17-2005, 10:10 PM

Nightshade

10-18-2005, 03:04 AM

flock--one?
ok whats a flock of one??

Pendragon

10-18-2005, 07:44 AM

oh, not the regis... Ok... I guess I'll walk you through it. Together, the riddle makes no sense, but seperately it can actually start making more sense.

Basically what is the "group of flight"?

What does this mean you should think about for the second part? ("away it flies alone")

What does it mean by "flies alone"?

What does this tell you about the living thing?

What's the answer?

(sorry for double posting btw)You missed my joke by a mile, mon ami. The Regis I was refering to is Regis Philburn on the TV Show "Who Wants to Be a Millionare?" and he always asks "Is that your final answer?" Hee-Hee!http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/552.gif OK now to your clue. What we have is a living thing that always flies solo, n'est c'est pas? A bee, mayhap? Well, they do swarm...fireflies--each one flies solo.

Kaltrina

10-18-2005, 08:36 AM

I've been thinking a lot about this riddle posted by Digital and I can't find the answer, but I am anxious to know what it is. :eek2:

Anon22

10-18-2005, 03:17 PM

You missed my joke by a mile, mon ami. The Regis I was refering to is Regis Philburn on the TV Show "Who Wants to Be a Millionare?" and he always asks "Is that your final answer?" Hee-Hee!http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/552.gif
OK now to your clue. What we have is a living thing that always flies solo, n'est c'est pas?

Oh lol, didn't get that... thought you were talking about some regis from the ancient past or something. Anyhow:

What we have is a living thing that always flies solo, n'est c'est pas?

Actually to be honest... the living thing that we're talking about actually flies in groups. So why would it say "flies alone"? that's for me to know and for you to find out, Next! :smash:

(The reason I'm not saying the answer is because I like seeing people try to figure it out, it definetely felt good when I solved the "Tooth Riddle" my cousin gave me)

I want to see someone answer the questions:

1. What is the "group of flight"?

2. Other than (insert answer to number 1 here) what else is there?

3. What does this mean you should think about for the second part? ("away it flies alone")

4. What does it mean by "flies alone"?

5. What does this tell you about the living thing?

What's the answer?

(Notice how question number 2 is dependent on #1 and #3 on #2 and number #4 on #3 and #5 on #4. Meaning if you screw up number 1 you screw up everything, so knowing what the "group of flight" is is really necessary here)

Anon22

10-18-2005, 05:25 PM

one minute before... ie, 59 mins.

Three people check into a hotel. They pay £30 to the manager and go to their room. The manager suddenly remembers that the room rate is £25 and gives £5 to the bellboy to return to the people. On the way to the room the bellboy reasons that £5 would be difficult to share among three people so he pockets £2 and gives £1 to each person. Now each person paid £10 and got back £1. So they paid £9 each, totalling £27. The bellboy has £2, totalling £29. Where is the missing £1?

I just realized this is incorrect. Since the bellboy has 2F(can't do that sign thing) you don't add it to 27F you subtract from it(you don't count those 2 since they were never given to the manager). This gives you 25, which is what the manager has.

Pendragon

10-18-2005, 07:05 PM

Absolutely my last try, or I surrender!http://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/boese094.gif "group of flight"--pattren "not part of"--wren
a wren is a bird that usually flies in groups-- when startled they scatter-- "away it flies"-- since they go in different directions-- "alone". I might not have the correct answer but it will certainly fit the rules stated by the riddle!http://www.websmileys.com/sm/aliens/alieneyesa.gif

Anon22

10-18-2005, 07:52 PM

Nope... sorry... not really the answer...

Darlin

10-18-2005, 08:16 PM

give up !NEVER
*spies darlin approaching with a slightly annoyed look
OkOk I give up!
whats the answer!! Oh but make it invisible so I can still think aboutt it ;)

:) Never annoyed, Night just hoping everyone would surrender like me! But I'm actually glad to see Digital hasn't given the answer yet. It's rather fun reading everyone's guesses but for the life of me I'm totally lost. Hurry up and guess someone!

Pendragon

10-18-2005, 08:18 PM

Oh, Well. Sorry guys, but I have sat on this one for weeks. It is truly a literary puzzle, one of many that I write for http://www.spaceports.com/~deshadow/tmsm/index.html . There is only one correct answer.

The Gambler’s Legacy by Jonathan Blade

The short, thin, grey-haired lawyer sat behind a massive desk in the book-lined library, glaring over his owlish glasses at his visitors. When he spoke, however, his voice was thunder unleashed.
“This is an outrage, Commissioner Weston! My client’s will is straightforward. There is absolutely no need for police evolvement! And certainly no excuse for an amateur!” He jabbed an angry finger at Weston’s companion, Lamont Cranston, little knowing that Cranston was really that terror of the underworld known as The Shadow!
“Young Mr. Graves, there,” He indicated a pale young man seated in a corner. “Is the only one who needs to be here at all, as he is the sole heir.”
Weston’s voice was cold. “Bilgslby, you’ve given us no proof that your client even HAD a fortune to leave anyone. Considering that Otis Wellingsforth was a confirmed gambler, he—“
Bilgslby cut him off sharply. “He was indeed.” He replied coldly. “I have here sworn statements from the three biggest gambling joints in the city. Two say Wellingsforth was in the clear, owing nothing. The other says he has $1000 in credit. All swear that was Wellingsforth’s way—take half his winnings and leave half for a stake next time."
“That is police evidence, Bilgslby!” Weston exploded.
“Client confidentiality!” the lawyer sneered. “I know my client had a large fortune. He left every cent to Harlan Graves, his nephew. But I can only show Mr. Graves this paper. He must then solve the puzzle for himself. Even I don’t know what it means.”
He held up a paper. On it were two dice. Each face showed one dot.
“That’s all?” gulped Harlan Graves. “I knew reading all these books would drive the old man batty! This is absurd!”
Cranston had turned and was examining the packed bookshelves. “Your Uncle seems to have been quite a bibliophile. Many of these books are of great value.”
“It was Uncle Otis’ other vice.” Graves sighed. “Shooting craps and collecting books! What a mess!”
“Did you ever shoot craps, Commissioner?” asked Cranston.
Weston turned red. “I—uh—er—well, yeah. So what?”
Cranston tapped the paper. “What would happen to the player who rolled this play? Should they be pleased?”
Weston laughed. “Hardly. Snake-eyes always looses.”
Cranston smiled. “Right. Now I need to find a book. Wellingsforth has it, I am certain. And once I find it, the puzzle is solved.”

WHAT BOOK DOES CRANSTON NEED TO FIND?

If you look, you may find the book! The Shadow Knows! HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

Anon22

10-18-2005, 09:29 PM

Pendragon

10-19-2005, 09:14 AM

Ok... let me change the riddle a little... won't really help that much though(then again it actually might, makes one thing obvious). I'm changing it because I feel it sounds better this way:

In its group it flies alone, not being in the group of flight. What is it?

another reason I changed it this way is because I can do the questions easier

the questions of the riddle:

1) What do you think it means when it says "group of flight"?

2) What other groups are there?

3) What types of groups are we talking about?

4) What would be the reason for it to fly alone in its group?

5) What can you deduct the answer is from this?

hope that makes it easier or... :crash:There's nothing wrong with your riddle D-man. I'm kicking myself, bucause I usually think logically and should have figured this out by now. A bat. A bat would need to fly alone because it locates its meals by echolocation. But they come out of the caves in huge, sky darkening flocks? Swarms? Anyway, my answer is a bat. :eek:

Anon22

10-19-2005, 03:02 PM

Alright, here is the answer to the riddle:

1) What is the "Group of Flight"?
Many people thought the "Group of Flight" was talking about the group of everything that can fly (airplanes, birds, insects, etc.) but it was really just a description of a group. The "Group of Flight" is simply, The Birds. If it's not from the "Group of Flight" that means it's not from the Bird Group, or IOW it's not a bird

2) What other groups are there?
If we're talking about birds as a group, then other groups would be:
Mammals, Insects, Fish, Crustaceans, Mollusks, etc.

3) What types of groups are we talking about?
That's simple... Animal Groups.

4) What would be the reason for it to "fly alone" in its group?
Since we're talking about Animal groups not actual groups(where they gather together) the reason would obviously be that in its group it's the only one capable of flying, making it "fly alone" but you see it's not actually flying alone.

5) What can you deduct the answer is from this?
Well... think of a group that contains only one animal capable of flying(out of the animal groups). If you guessed Mammals you are right. The only ones that contain flying animals are: The Mammals, The Insects, and The Birds. Insects and Birds wouldn't count because they contain more than one animal capable of flying(plus the answer's not a bird). The mammals on the other hand do. So congrats Pendragon... you got it right! ^_^ The answer is the bat... even though... you pretty much guessed the answer... either way though congrats Pendragon! ^_^ You may all rest now... the answer's out in the open.

I'm kicking myself, bucause I usually think logically and should have figured this out by now. A bat.

I find this pretty ironic... lol

Nightshade

10-19-2005, 03:07 PM

yeah now we have Perns to deal with!!
Ok pen

so is the book called snake eyes?
how to annoy the newphew you leave your inheritence to?? oh wait that was Brewsters million ;)
Loser
oh how to get over a gambling habit
:D

Anon22

10-19-2005, 04:06 PM

I've no idea... lol, checkbook, rulebook, creditcardbook. I've never played Craps so that probably doesn't help.

Pendragon

10-19-2005, 04:12 PM

It's a very famous book.

And D-Man, like Holmes, I seldom guess, it's a shocking habit! :lol: My logic just didn't follow the same steps, and there I'm like Watson "It makes sense once it has been explained..." Duh, where was my brain?" :rolleyes:

Anon22

10-19-2005, 04:21 PM

Pendragon

10-19-2005, 08:31 PM

Well... I have yet to find a person who can figure out the riddle without my help. I'm going to tell my friends my riddle(I haven't done so yet)... and by the time I'm 30 I'll let them give up... :nod:
I know how you feel, pal. No one has ever figured my little mystery out before either, including my editor and my friend who writes mystery novels. A good hint is that you are all making this much harder than it is. :nod:

Anon22

10-19-2005, 09:44 PM

Wellingsforth's Book? lol

Kaltrina

10-20-2005, 05:47 AM

WHAT BOOK DOES CRANSTON NEED TO FIND?
If you look, you may find the book! The Shadow Knows! HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA![/COLOR][/FONT]
maybe he needs to find a book that explains the meaning of Snake eyes or that explains the rules of the game craps.... ok just trying....I'm probably far from the right answer but you can't say I didn't try..hahahahah... :lol:

Pendragon

10-20-2005, 08:53 AM

maybe he needs to find a book that explains the meaning of Snake eyes or that explains the rules of the game craps.... ok just trying....I'm probably far from the right answer but you can't say I didn't try..hahahahah... :lol:You are all making this too hard. The book has actually been NAMED. It is very famous, often required reading. "Snake-eyes" simply refers to a toss in craps that ends with both dice showing one dot, or eye. The clues have nothing to do with the rules of craps. Read carefully... :nod:

Nightshade

10-20-2005, 09:11 AM

th shadow knows??

Pendragon

10-20-2005, 12:28 PM

Scheherazade

10-20-2005, 12:37 PM

Snake Eyes?

The Gambler?

Nightshade

10-20-2005, 02:17 PM

sakeeyes always loses?
Craps loses
2 die
:D
or is it 0ne die 2 dice??

Basil

10-20-2005, 03:14 PM

Paradise Lost, or pair o' dice: lost!

Pendragon

10-20-2005, 03:27 PM

Paradise Lost, or pair o' dice: lost!
Quite correct, mon ami!
I knew I gave away too much with that last set of clues...http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/974.gif But that is the correct answer. when Cranston finds that book, it will contain the information needed to secure the young man's fortune. I write a lot of things even in so short a mystery to throw dust into the readers eyes. Magicans call it "misdirection". The answer was right there all along. If you liked my little mystery, I have quite a few more... :nod: :lol: :D :)

Anon22

10-20-2005, 03:29 PM

That was the signature sign-off from the Old Time Radio Series. It goes like this: "The weed of crime bears bitter fruit. Crime does NOT pay. The Shadow Knows. HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!" Check out the 1994 movie starring Alec Baldwin as The Shadow. Very good. No, the book has been named, but not directly. D-man, I see how you must have felt!Lol, yeah

1. The answer MUST be on the paper shown to the group

2. What does it show?
Two Dice, each with 1 dot
3. To a craps player what does it mean?
The term, Snake-eyes. What it really means, They have lost
4. Put the two together.
put what 2 together? o.o the fact that they have lost and play craps? Losing at Craps? lol... I don't know... even though... I did a search for the book at BarnesandNobles.com. I started with what I thought the title had... "Snake-eyes" and look at this:
http://a1204.g.akamai.net/7/1204/1401/05092115011/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/10160000/10163267.jpg

The two dice & Snake eyes... o.o seems pretty odd. Even though you said it wasn't "Snake-Eyes" so here's my next guess. A book that also has snake-eyes in the title, and seems pretty close:

http://a1204.g.akamai.net/7/1204/1401/05021416011/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/9050000/9059050.jpg

The search for Snake-Eyes... never heard of it though so don't know. (Another thing I didn't realize was the snake had 2 dice for eyeballs with 1 dot)
(I hate giving away so much of my secret.....http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/1346.gif

Well that's my answer Sammy Keyes and the Search for Snake-Eyes, Also realized that this is a search... a search for a guy who rolls "Snake-eyes"(I assume)...

Anon22

10-20-2005, 03:32 PM

Quite correct, mon ami!
I knew I gave away too much with that last set of clues...http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/974.gif But that is the correct answer. when Cranston finds that book, it will contain the information needed to secure the young man's fortune. I write a lot of things even in so short a mystery to throw dust into the readers eyes. Magicans call it "misdirection". The answer was right there all along. If you liked my little mystery, I have quite a few more... :nod: :lol: :D :)

Ah... ignore my last post then... I wish I knew how to delete it... bleh...(I will edit it though so the pictures don't get annoying). Nice Mystery btw, I probably would've been the last one to get it right though as I don't know many books... lol... didn't even know about that book either.

Here's 3 easy ones:

1)
Descending from the skies
Rising from the ground
Looking from the sky
Living underground
this is what it's all about.
What is it?

2) A kid lives inside a building with no flight of stairs
The kid goes inside the only elevator(Strange I know)
Looks at the buttons strangely and starts to ponder about something
either way he goes to the first floor
He goes outside buys some groceries
and when he returns he gets inside the elevator and presses button #14
The elevator goes up 1 floor, stops and opens
someone gets in, he presses to go 3 floors more
2 floors more someone enters and presses the button to go 5 floors more
1 floor more the first guy gets out and 2 come in to go 2 floors more
2 floors more the Two guys leaves and no one comes in
1 floor more a woman comes in and chooses to go 5 floors more
1 floor more the second guy leaves and another comes and presses button #15
The elevator goes 3 floors down instead opens and a guy enters to go 3 floors down
3 floors down the elevator opens the guy leaves another enters with a daughter and wants to go 7 floors more
2 floors more a guy with a puppet enters to go 6 floors more
1 floor more a guy with an iPod enters to go 6 floors more also
1 floor more a girl enters to go 1 more floor than the kid
3 floors more the guy with the daughter leaves and no one comes in
1 floor more the guy with the puppet leaves
1 floor more the guy with the iPod leaves
1 floor more the woman leaves and the kid realizes they both leave at the same floor
Then the kid asks the woman something about their floor
The woman responds and the kid reaches his destination on the floor
At what floor do they leave off at? At what floor does the remaining guy and girl leave off? What did the kid ponder/ask?

3)When I leave my home, I float
I can be Cocoa
I can be Fruit
I can be Corn
At least that's what my name can say
What am I?

Answer:

cereal

Nightshade

10-20-2005, 04:45 PM

well number 3 is flake or cereal?

Anon22

10-20-2005, 04:47 PM

well number 3 is flake or cereal?

Wow, immediately o.o

Nightshade

10-21-2005, 05:13 AM

Is number 1 a type of ground nesting owl??

Kaltrina

10-21-2005, 06:46 AM

is number 2 the 18th floor I just can't think what the guy asks, probably if they are in the 18th floor or maybe he asks her if she is the new neighbour...

el01ks

10-21-2005, 06:58 AM

Think number 1 is water

Pendragon

10-21-2005, 07:01 AM

Sorry to interrupt D-Man, I'll try to figure out your puzzles in a moment. My latest mystery is up at http://www.spaceports.com/~deshadow/tmsm/ today and will be there for a week. I return all of you to D-Man's ingenious riddles. ;)

Kaltrina

10-21-2005, 07:09 AM

Pendragon I am confused is that suppose to be our next mystery because there is a solution in the end... :confused:

Pendragon

10-21-2005, 08:34 AM

No,no. We're still on the D-Man's riddles! That is where I write my mysteries for, a site dedicated to pulp fiction hero The Shadow. Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you! :blush: All of our stories on the site give the solution, the people who are used to the site know it's there, but try to solve before looking... :) I think... :p

Kaltrina

10-21-2005, 09:50 AM

oh ok...I guess I misunderstood... I already checked the site and it seems rather interesting.... ;) :D

Pendragon

10-21-2005, 03:04 PM

2) A kid lives inside a building with no flight of stairs
The kid goes inside the only elevator(Strange I know)
Looks at the buttons strangely and starts to ponder about something
either way he goes to the first floor
He goes outside buys some groceries
and when he returns he gets inside the elevator and presses button #14
The elevator goes up 1 floor, stops and opens
someone gets in, he presses to go 3 floors more
2 floors more someone enters and presses the button to go 5 floors more
1 floor more the first guy gets out and 2 come in to go 2 floors more
2 floors more the Two guys leaves and no one comes in
1 floor more a woman comes in and chooses to go 5 floors more
1 floor more the second guy leaves and another comes to go 5 floors more
The elevator goes 3 floors down instead opens and a guy enters to go 3 floors down
3 floors down the elevator opens the guy leaves another enters with a daughter and wants to go 7 floors more
2 floors more a guy with a puppet enters to go 6 floors more
1 floor more a guy with an iPod enters to go 6 floors more also
1 floor more a girl enters to go 1 more floor than the kid
3 floors more the guy with the daughter leaves and no one comes in
1 floor more the guy with the puppet leaves
1 floor more the guy with the iPod leaves
1 floor more the woman leaves and the kid realizes they both leave at the same floor
Then the kid asks the woman something about their floor
At what floor do they leave off at? At what floor does the remaining guy and girl leave off? What did the kid ponder/ask?

Well, they get off at the 14th floor, but the kid is wondering why, since it is actually the 13th. The remaining guy and girl shoul get off at the 9th, :lol: if I didn't completely loose track. Whew! What say, D-Man?http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/533.gif

Anon22

10-21-2005, 03:23 PM

Well, they get off at the 14th floor, but the kid is wondering why, since it is actually the 13th.
Alright, Not exactly(close but not exactly), See... if you read the beginning of the riddle you'll realize that the kid ponders about this as soon as he gets on the elevator the first time and looks at the buttons. So he was already thinking about it before he got off. Also the kid actually managed to get to his destination without using the elevator(I'll add that to the riddle)... this will confuse you guys more so I'll simply say that he lives in the 13th floor
The remaining guy and girl shoul get off at the 9th, :lol: if I didn't completely loose track. Whew! What say, D-Man?
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/533.gif
Nope... lol, they do not get off at the 9th floor, yeah it is kind of hard to keep track of it.

I feel like making this riddle harder by adding a question, but nah... don't feel like it, it'd make it hard to keep track off(Question would be: At what floor did each character get off?) of course if you want to go right on ahead

Pendragon

10-21-2005, 05:07 PM

I feel like making this riddle harder by adding a question, but nah... don't feel like it, it'd make it hard to keep track off(Question would be: At what floor did each character get off?) of course if you want to go right on aheadYou want to make it harder? :eek2: :bawling: :lol: It confuses the daylight out of me now!

Wait. Wait. Looking at the buttons. He asked why the button for their floor said 14 when they lived on the 13th floor! And the man and girl get off on the 17th, I believe.

Might the third riddle refer to water? :brickwall

Anon22

10-21-2005, 11:07 PM

You want to make it harder? :eek2: :bawling: :lol: It confuses the daylight out of me now!

Wait. Wait. Looking at the buttons. He asked why the button for their floor said 14 when they lived on the 13th floor!

Yeah, even though its more like why it skipped #13... I remember one time forget one hearing something about how some elevators didn't have the #13th because it was the "evil number" I think my dad told me that... lol... can't remember... maybe I should've verified it first, lol

And the man and girl get off on the 17th, I believe.

still incorrect
Might the third riddle refer to water?
the third riddle's already been answered... it was cereal, I'm sure your referring to the first. In that case no... it isn't water
:brickwall

lol, they're just riddles... nothing to get frustrated about. With a calm mind they're easier to solve.

Pendragon

10-22-2005, 07:59 AM

lol, they're just riddles... nothing to get frustrated about. With a calm mind they're easier to solve.I know...I know...BTW, you don't say where you are located, but buildings not having a 13th floor is pretty common knowledge in the USA, at least to mystery readers it should be...I loose track all the time on which floor because I keep forgetting if the elevator moved up or down. When you say "to go 3 more floors" after saying it went down, I go down, which landed me once on the first floor, only I was supposed to go 3 more floors. At that point, I gave up, went back to a point I knew (where the woman and boy get off 14th but really 13th) and tried backtracking. Thought certain I had it this time 17th really 16th but.....OOOOOOOKKKKKK.... :smash:

Anon22

10-22-2005, 12:46 PM

I know...I know...BTW, you don't say where you are located, but buildings not having a 13th floor is pretty common knowledge in the USA, at least to mystery readers it should be...I loose track all the time on which floor because I keep forgetting if the elevator moved up or down. When you say "to go 3 more floors" after saying it went down, I go down, which landed me once on the first floor, only I was supposed to go 3 more floors. At that point, I gave up, went back to a point I knew (where the woman and boy get off 14th but really 13th) and tried backtracking. Thought certain I had it this time 17th really 16th but.....OOOOOOOKKKKKK.... :smash:

It's not that hard to keep track off... There is unnecessary info you know. (Unless your going for the "hard" question I made a couple of posts ago)

Pendragon

10-23-2005, 08:58 AM

Anon22

10-23-2005, 02:49 PM

Looking the riddle over, the girl got off at the 15th really the 14th, (one more than the kid) and since you idicate the remaining man left with her, that was his destination as well. The kid asked the woman why the button for their floor said 14 when they lived on the 13th floor! :cool:

Correct! The girl gets off 1 floor more than the kid... so the 15th floor, really the 14th. The man enters at the 9th floor and wanted to go up 5 more floors:

10, 11, 12, 14, 15

or

10, 11, 12, 13, 14

so he gets off at the 15th floor(really 14th) as well. The kid asks the woman why there was no 13th floor button or why there button was button #14. Congrats Pendragon! You earn a medal!

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1 riddle to go!

Nightshade

10-23-2005, 05:42 PM

Descending from the skies
Rising from the ground
Looking from the sky
Living underground
this is what it's all about.
What is it?

is it some kind of insect??

Pendragon

10-23-2005, 07:45 PM

1)
Descending from the skies
Rising from the ground
Looking from the sky
Living underground
this is what it's all about.
What is it?

It may not be correct, but it's logical, in a way: :lol:

FIRE-- decends from the sky as meteorites--rises from the ground in volcanic eruptions--looks from the sky as The Sun--lives underground as the core of our planet. For what it's worth. :brow:

Anon22

10-24-2005, 12:38 PM

It may not be correct, but it's logical, in a way: :lol:

FIRE-- decends from the sky as meteorites--rises from the ground in volcanic eruptions--looks from the sky as The Sun--lives underground as the core of our planet. For what it's worth. :brow:

Gee, I never really thought about fire... well... I would say it's correct... if it had been the answer... even though yeah... I guess it could be the answer. By look though... I mean literally looking... which is why fire really isn't the answer. Not an insect by the way

Pendragon

10-24-2005, 05:51 PM

Gee, I never really thought about fire... well... I would say it's correct... if it had been the answer... even though yeah... I guess it could be the answer. By look though... I mean literally looking... which is why fire really isn't the answer. Not an insect by the way
Well, I said my logic works in funny ways... http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/308.gif OK. Looking literally? Angels. Jacob's dream has them decending and ascending, they looked from the sky at the birth of Christ (and there's Gaurdian Angels), and live underground (since most accept Hell as being there and Satan and his demons are fallen angels). http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/1264.gif

el01ks

10-25-2005, 05:46 AM

Water - it rains, it gets evaporated, there are almost always clouds (with water droplets in) and some of the biggest stores are underground.

Pendragon

10-25-2005, 08:36 AM

As we await the solving of D-Man's last riddle, I'll give you another mystery.

THE PAPER SCRAP by Jonathan Blade

Three men were gathered around the body of a fourth gentleman in a spacious, well-lit office overlooking New York's Eastside docks. The swarthy faced man examining the body spoke first.

"It's murder, alright, Commissioner. The man was shot twice in the chest, although I'd say offhand the killer missed the heart. See, the blood trail there indicates that the dead man struggled to reach something before he died. But all we have is this paper scrap in his hand."

Joe Cardona held a torn piece, upon which was written:
WOOD
STEEL
MASS
"It doesn't make much sense."

Commissioner Weston turned to the third man in the room, his good friend Kent Allard, a famous aviator. "Langston Wiffle III, the deceased, was a prosperous shipping merchant. That scrap is probably part of a manifest he had with the killer's name on it. He was trying to get the name, but he was too far gone. We can no doubt match the scrap to one of his invoices and thus get the killers name."

Allard glanced at the paper indifferently. He turned and began to look at the desk and file cabinets. "Perhaps."

"That will take some time, Commissioner." Joe Cardona, the swarthy Acting Inspector put in. "I'll need more help."

Allard smiled grimly. "I think not, Inspector. This is the file you want." He held up a blank page with the corner torn off.

"Nonsense, Allard!" Weston snorted. "That isn't even a written file!"

"Nevertheless the corner matches, does it not, Inspector?"

Joe shook his head in wonder. "It does. How does that help the case any? Now it was just a random grab and just luck that there was anything written on that scrap of paper!"

"Wrong! Wiffle wanted a blank piece - to write on himself. He names his murderer and tells you where to look for him. Just read the scrap right." And with that parting shot, Allard limped out leaning on his cane, but a faint crackle of sardonic laughter drifted in among the two men still studying the all important scrap of paper....

WHO IS GUILTY AND WHERE IS HE?http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/cool33.gif

Nightshade

10-25-2005, 09:45 AM

right whose allard first off?
secondly hes hiding in the docks right??
but who he is I doont know?
:D

Pendragon

10-25-2005, 01:30 PM

right whose allard first off?
secondly hes hiding in the docks right??
but who he is I doont know?
:DOK. Kent Allard is the Shadow's TRUE identity. Lamont Cranston, Henry Arnuld, and old curio collector Phineas Twambley are real people whose idenitity The Shadow, a master of disguise, borrows from time to time. And no, he's not hiding in the docks. Everything you need to know is on that scrap of paper--if you read it correctly.... :D :D :D

Nightshade

10-25-2005, 02:29 PM

OH blah! why is it dying people always need to be so cryptic?!
;):lol:

Anon22

10-25-2005, 03:40 PM

Well, I said my logic works in funny ways... http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/308.gif OK. Looking literally? Angels. Jacob's dream has them decending and ascending, they looked from the sky at the birth of Christ (and there's Gaurdian Angels), and live underground (since most accept Hell as being there and Satan and his demons are fallen angels). http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/1264.gif

Well the answers not really angels, but...
:) you're getting there and on the right track(just to help figure it out, since I basically sped through this riddle, think of the demons as not being angels at all, well you know "fallen angels") ^_^ other than that reread all the lines, you forgot to use one. ^_^

Anon22

10-25-2005, 05:22 PM

OK. Kent Allard is the Shadow's TRUE identity. Lamont Cranston, Henry Arnuld, and old curio collector Phineas Twambley are real people whose idenitity The Shadow, a master of disguise, borrows from time to time. And no, he's not hiding in the docks. Everything you need to know is on that scrap of paper--if you read it correctly.... :D :D :D

Something tells me that the murderer isn't human. Anyhow... I think there are 2 murderers because there are 2 shots, I'm sure the murderer would've made sure he was completely dead before leaving and missing the heart he probably died slowly. Even though even if there were 2 they wouldn't have let him die so slowly(someone could've managed to save his life) so I'll use my hunch that the murderer or murderers weren't human. The only 2 that I find in the scrap are wood and steel 2 shots, 2 suspects. Then mass states were they are, at the bottom of the ocean or sea or water, underwater basically because after they killed him the somehow fell outside and sank to the bottom of the water(I thought water because its a way to measure mass, created by Aristotle). Still, wood is lighter so... I don't know(perhaps Aristotle's the answer, and the place would be his tub, where he figured out everything). Anyhow... that's what my answer is... Wood, Steel, and Underwater. It's an incomplete answer though... as wood and steel is well... there had to be more.

Pendragon

10-25-2005, 05:59 PM

Something tells me that the murderer isn't human. Anyhow... I think there are 2 murderers because there are 2 shots, I'm sure the murderer would've made sure he was completely dead before leaving and missing the heart he probably died slowly. Even though even if there were 2 they wouldn't have let him die so slowly(someone could've managed to save his life) so I'll use my hunch that the murderer or murderers weren't human. The only 2 that I find in the scrap are wood and steel 2 shots, 2 suspects. Then mass states were they are, at the bottom of the ocean or sea or water, underwater basically because after they killed him the somehow fell outside and sank to the bottom of the water(I thought water because its a way to measure mass, created by Aristotle). Still, wood is lighter so... I don't know(perhaps Aristotle's the answer, and the place would be his tub, where he figured out everything). Anyhow... that's what my answer is... Wood, Steel, and Underwater. It's an incomplete answer though... as wood and steel is well... there had to be more.This time I'm determined not to let the cat out of the bag as I did before. No. The answer is much simpler than that. It's who (one perp, as the law might say) and where he is. And it's all in those three words--if you read them correctly. :D :nod: ;)

Anon22

10-25-2005, 06:05 PM

This time I'm determined not to let the cat out of the bag as I did before. No. The answer is much simpler than that. It's who (one perp, as the law might say) and where he is. And it's all in those three words--if you read them correctly. :D :nod: ;)

Could it be a question? of course it wouldn't make sense:

Wood-Would
Steel-Still(maybe)
Mass-???

perhaps not... so maybe:

Woods
Steel-Still
(Still in the woods)
Mass(if it's the name)-does sound a bit like Max.

Pendragon

10-25-2005, 06:08 PM

Well the answers not really angels, but...
:) you're getting there and on the right track(just to help figure it out, since I basically sped through this riddle, think of the demons as not being angels at all, well you know "fallen angels") ^_^ other than that reread all the lines, you forgot to use one. ^_^Ah. Jesus. Descended from heaven, rose from the ground (grave), looks from the sky, living underground (spent time in hell but was alive). Anyway, I think I'll go with that. Seems logical, if I was on the right track. :wave:

Anon22

10-25-2005, 06:15 PM

Ah. Jesus. Descended from heaven, rose from the ground (grave), looks from the sky, living underground (spent time in hell but was alive). Anyway, I think I'll go with that. Seems logical, if I was on the right track. :wave:

Ah, so close yet so far... only a barrier thinner than a leaf is blocking your way :brickwall. It's something everyone can agree on. You are still skipping a line... and that line is important... its the one that holds the riddle in place. Without it, it is nothing more than scattered pieces. It is also the line that defies your answers(well perhaps your Jesus one anyways). And he spent time in hell?! gee... o.o there's something I didn't know...

Pendragon

10-25-2005, 07:53 PM

Ah, so close yet so far... only a barrier thinner than a leaf is blocking your way :brickwall. It's something everyone can agree on. You are still skipping a line... and that line is important... its the one that holds the riddle in place. Without it, it is nothing more than scattered pieces. It is also the line that defies your answers(well perhaps your Jesus one anyways). And he spent time in hell?! gee... o.o there's something I didn't know...It's in Paul's writings, I think, Ephesians 4:9 actually it reads "lower parts of the earth." I have heard many theologians call this "hell" but it does leave wiggle room for other interpertations. Thinner than a leaf, something everyone can agree on, but close. I assume the line "that is what it's all about" is the line you are referring to me missing. God. :angel: :wave:

Pendragon

10-25-2005, 07:57 PM

Could it be a question? of course it wouldn't make sense:

Wood-Would
Steel-Still(maybe)
Mass-???

perhaps not... so maybe:

Woods
Steel-Still
(Still in the woods)
Mass(if it's the name)-does sound a bit like Max.This has nothing to do with sound alikes, or one word meaning another. The words mean what they say. How you read them is a different matter. From it you will get, I promise, a first name, last name, and definiate place. :nod:

Anon22

10-25-2005, 08:12 PM

It's in Paul's writings, I think, Ephesians 4:9 actually it reads "lower parts of the earth." I have heard many theologians call this "hell" but it does leave wiggle room for other interpertations. Thinner than a leaf, something everyone can agree on, but close. I assume the line "that is what it's all about" is the line you are referring to me missing. God. :angel: :wave:

Correct line, but it's not god. Think... I just said that without it, the riddle is just a bunch of shattered pieces. What'd you think I was referring to when I said that?

Anon22

10-25-2005, 08:26 PM

This has nothing to do with sound alikes, or one word meaning another. The words mean what they say. How you read them is a different matter. From it you will get, I promise, a first name, last name, and definiate place. :nod:

Upside-down? I get... when typed anyways:

Ssgm?
Laats
Poom

lol, highly doubt that's the answer. Right to Left?

Doow
Leets
Ssam

Sam is a name, but bleh... Leets and Doow?

Upside-down, Right to left:

Mgss
Staal
Moop

err... lol:

Masssteelwood

Max Steel? bleh... nah... I already thought about that and can't be... lol

Doowleetsssam

I've no idea... lol

Pendragon

10-25-2005, 08:26 PM

Correct line, but it's not god. Think... I just said that without it, the riddle is just a bunch of shattered pieces. What'd you think I was referring to when I said that?I must be missing something here, they say love is what it's all about. I admit to a guess, based on that premise: LOVE http://www.websmileys.com/sm/love/1273.gif

Anon22

10-25-2005, 08:29 PM

I must be missing something here, they say love is what it's all about. I admit to a guess, based on that premise: LOVE http://www.websmileys.com/sm/love/1273.gif

No, not that... your actually further than you were before. Look:

Descending from the sky
Rising from the ground
Looking from the sky
Living underground
This is what its all about-If this is the bow that ties everything up, what are the shattered pieces?
What is it?

Pendragon

10-25-2005, 08:38 PM

Upside-down? I get... when typed anyways:

Ssgm?
Laats
Poom

lol, highly doubt that's the answer. Right to Left?

Doow
Leets
Ssam

Sam is a name, but bleh... Leets and Doow?

Upside-down, Right to left:

Mgss
Staal
Moop

err... lol:

Masssteelwood

Max Steel? bleh... nah... I already thought about that and can't be... lol

Doowleetsssam

I've no idea... lolI think we are frustrating each other. LOL. The problem is, I can't say much more without just giving it away. And I'm lost on your riddle. If I was so close with Jesus??? Devine Power----?

Anon22

10-25-2005, 08:44 PM

I think we are frustrating each other. LOL. The problem is, I can't say much more without just giving it away. And I'm lost on your riddle. If I was so close with Jesus??? Devine Power----?

Same with me... lol. Well, I can still say this:

1) When you break a mirror each piece has different looking sides

2) The pieces can go together and form the mirror(that is the answer) no matter how differently they looked before.

3) The pieces can be put together by the glue(that is the line)

Descending from the sky
Rising from the ground
Looking from the sky
Living underground
This is what it's all about-The Glue, that puts the shattered pieces together
What is it?
???-(The Mirror)

bleh... this really won't do much... but hopefully it helps.

For your riddle I've come up with these answers:

Wood
Steel
Mass

Wood St.
Sam Lee

or perhaps, to use the extra S
Wood
SteeL
MaSs

Sam Woods, Lee St.

Pendragon

10-25-2005, 11:48 PM

Well the answers not really angels, but...
:) you're getting there and on the right track(just to help figure it out, since I basically sped through this riddle, think of the demons as not being angels at all, well you know "fallen angels") ^_^ other than that reread all the lines, you forgot to use one. ^_^ Spirits or souls. If not angels, but close, and not Jesus, but in the right area, then spirits or souls. They come from above, they return above, they watch from above, they live in the underworld, and spirit is the word that ties them all together. :nod:

Pendragon

10-26-2005, 08:55 AM

One final clue on my mystery:

Recall that Langston Wiffle III was shot twice and dying. He wants to name his murderer and where to look for him. But what if the man comes back? If he just writes out the information, the man will take it. But if it looks like part of a shipping manifest--the dying man is quick thinking.

The paper scrap says:

WOOD
STEEL
MASS

The order of the words is important. Read aloud and carefully. http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/001.gif

Anon22

10-26-2005, 02:31 PM

Spirits or souls. If not angels, but close, and not Jesus, but in the right area, then spirits or souls. They come from above, they return above, they watch from above, they live in the underworld, and spirit is the word that ties them all together. :nod:

Nope, not souls or spirits. I can't help but notice that those are reasonable answers to the riddle and fit the description and for this reason I want to modify it. Just can't think of a way to do it. I never realized this riddle would be so hard to figure out... 3 pages... wow. Thinking of the riddle in seperate parts helps here. Perhaps this might also help:

Mr. Blob was a creation from a scientific experiment. Basically he's just a blob of gel. If you cut him in half he'll seperate into many piece and many Mr.Blobs each with a different personality.

Mr.Blob=Riddle
Personality=Answer

Maybe that might clarify things... or perhaps gives away the answer... or perhaps make it harder to figure out... bleh... I don't know... ^^'

anyhow for your riddle... if the order of the words was important... why do you have a different order now than before? lol... before it was Wood, Steel, Mass. Now its Steel, Wood, Mass? well... anyhow... I've got no clue...

Pendragon

10-26-2005, 05:34 PM

anyhow for your riddle... if the order of the words was important... why do you have a different order now than before? lol... before it was Wood, Steel, Mass. Now its Steel, Wood, Mass? well... anyhow... I've got no clue...Because this dingbat messed up! The first is the correct order. I give up on your riddle. Here's the answer to mine.

WOOD
STEEL
MASS

The order of the words was what was important. Now watch a name and place appear from nowhere! Steel Underwood, Andover, Mass. Steel is indeed a first name, but sometimes has an extra e on the end. looking at a map of
Massachusetts, you'll find the town of Andover. Simple, really. :D ;) :lol: :nod:

Pendragon

10-26-2005, 05:39 PM

New riddle.

The Locked Room by Jonathan Blade (STORY IS COMPLETE FICTION)

Clyde Burke stood in the shadowy hallway of the Horwitz mansion and dialed a number from memory. A singular voice whispered: “Report!”

“Burke here, Chief. I’m at the old Horwitz mansion out on Broadway. I had dropped in at headquarters per your instructions to see if Cardona had anything further on the Albright case. As he didn’t, I accepted his offer of a lift back to The Classic. On the way, we received a radio call about a murder/suicide at the Horwitz place. Joe answered personally, since we were only minutes away.

“Jerome Horwitz, the youngest brother met us at the door. He was visibly upset. “He finally did it! He murdered her, then himself!” The man was shaking like a leaf.

“Just then Samuel Horwitz, Jerome’s older brother called down from upstairs, asking if the police were there already. We ascended the stairs and into the death room. Mrs. Sonya Horwitz lay across the bed on her back, shot through the heart. Her husband, Moses Horwitz, the oldest brother, was face down on the floor, shot through the head, apparently by his own hand.

“When questioned, Samuel stated that it was the servants’ night off, but they had enjoyed dinner at a nearby nightclub. When they returned home, he and Jerome went into the library to play their nightly chess game and enjoy cigars and brandy. Mr. and Mrs. Horwitz retired to their room.

“Jerome took up the story. He claimed that loud arguing was heard coming from the bedroom. He admitted that his brother and sister-in-law often had ‘rows’. Then to the brothers’ horror two gunshots rang out. They leaped up, overturning the table, scattering chess pieces, and breaking their brandy glasses. They dashed to the door and found it locked from the inside. After pounding on the door fruitlessly, Jerome, who is strongly built, broke the door down. There were the bodies and the windows were locked from the inside. Samuel dashed to call the police, while Jerome checked for signs of life.

“Here Jerome broke in and weeping, stated that he couldn’t believe Sonya was dead as he could still smell her lavender perfume. This reminded Joe to ask about an odor coming from the dead man’s clothes. Samuel came forward, sniffed, and stated that it was a special tobacco the dead man had made for him by a tobacconist on 7th Avenue, because it was rather mild.”

There was silence on the line for a pregnant moment.

“Orders. Have Cardona hold Jerome and Samuel Horwitz on suspicion of murder of their brother and his wife!”

1.) WHAT HAS TIPPED THE SHADOW OFF?
2.) THE BROTHERS MENTIONED IN THIS STORY ARE WORLD FAMOUS. WHO ARE THEY? :D :D

Anon22

10-26-2005, 06:19 PM

Because this dingbat messed up! The first is the correct order. I give up on your riddle. Here's the answer to mine.

WOOD
STEEL
MASS

The order of the words was what was important. Now watch a name and place appear from nowhere! Steel Underwood, Andover, Mass. Steel is indeed a first name, but sometimes has an extra e on the end. looking at a map of
Massachusetts, you'll find the town of Andover. Simple, really. :D ;) :lol: :nod:

Oh, so it was like a pun(bet you were tempted to using that as a hint, lol). Well anyhow, here's the answer to mine. Here's my explanation for my hints first though:

Mr. Blob was a creation from a scientific experiment. Basically he's just a blob of gel. If you cut him in half he'll seperate into many piece and many Mr.Blobs each with a different personality.

Mr.Blob=Riddle
Personality=Answer

Alright, sound confusing? not really basically it's telling you to use substitution(remember math?)

Riddle was a creation from a scientific experiment. Basically he's just a blob of gel. If you cut him in half he'll seperate into many piece and many riddles each with a different answers.

Mr.Blob=Riddle
Personality=Answer

Confusing now? I guess I messed up... it shouldn't be "in half" but anyhow... :blush: lol... this basically means that if you seperate the riddle into many pieces, there will be many smaller "riddles" with different answers. From this I go to this hint:

1) When you break a mirror each piece has different looking sides

2) The pieces can go together and form the mirror(that is the answer) no matter how differently they looked before.

3) The pieces can be put together by the glue(that is the line)

So if one line was the glue, what were the other lines? the shattered pieces so:

Descending from the sky-Shattered Piece
Rising from the ground-Shattered Piece
Looking from the sky-Shattered Piece
Living underground-Shattered Piece
This is what it's all about-The Glue, that puts the shattered pieces together
What is it?
???-(The Mirror)

Now that I think about, the riddle can also be "The Mirror" and quite frankly I meant it to be the mirror. Anyhow... as I said in the hint, each shattered piece is different, but as number 2 said, related to each other. So this means that the little "riddles"(which are also the "shattered pieces") are different, and therefore talking about different things:

Descending from the sky-Angels
Rising from the ground-Spirit/Demon
Looking from the sky-God/s/esses
Living underground-Living in Hell/Hade's Underworld
This is what it's all about-Saying that the answer is about all of what is said above
What is it?

What has to do about Angels, Spirits, Demons, God, Gods, Godesses, Hell and the Underworld?

Religion

That is the answer. Still, this riddles missing stuff so fire, angels, etc. still works... which is why I wish to modify it. So...

Spirits or souls. If not angels, but close, and not Jesus, but in the right area, then spirits or souls. They come from above, they return above, they watch from above, they live in the underworld, and spirit is the word that ties them all together.

Looking at a sentence from here:

If not angels, but close, and not Jesus, but in the right area

Out of that sentence, the answer was the area. Just felt like saying that... don't ask why. Well actually I wanted to make a hint from that, but couldn't... so self-satisfaction I guess... lol

Anon22

10-26-2005, 07:58 PM

Pendragon

10-27-2005, 08:51 AM

Complicated... even though with research, the brothers are the "Three Stooges".

My New Riddle:

The first thing you should see when you open your eyes.
Better noticed under water
and never under land.
Never dark,
never bright.
You see it everywhere when you open your eyes.
Your seeing it right now
even though you may not realize.
Eye-catching it makes things
and astounding it can be.
So much it can do
so often it's ignored.
Better noticed under water
never noticed under land
The first thing you should see when you open your eyes.
What is it?Ah, research... Isn't the Internet a wonderful thing? Yes, the brothers Horwitz are really Moe Howard, Shemp Howard, and Jerry "Curly" Howard of The Three Stooges. The names in my story are the names they were born with.

Your riddle now. I'm focusing on two things: "better noticed under water" and "you're seeing it right now even though you may not realize". Air. Gotta have it under water, when you're under land (burried) you don't require it. Clear air makes things "eye-catching" indeed. ;) :cool:

Anon22

10-27-2005, 03:20 PM

Ah, research... Isn't the Internet a wonderful thing? Yes, the brothers Horwitz are really Moe Howard, Shemp Howard, and Jerry "Curly" Howard of The Three Stooges. The names in my story are the names they were born with.

Your riddle now. I'm focusing on two things: "better noticed under water" and "you're seeing it right now even though you may not realize". Air. Gotta have it under water, when you're under land (burried) you don't require it. Clear air makes things "eye-catching" indeed. ;) :cool:

Aww... I thought it was going to be harder... lol. Anyhow yeah... but it's better noticed under water because you can see it as bubbles. There's no air under land. It makes thing's eye-catching because of the fact that it can trick your eyes to see mirages, rainbows, etc. Basically it was more about sight rather than requirement, I thought I could trick people because when I told people this one and, "You can't see air" yeah well :P Fish can't see water. Might as well edit this one though. Anyhow just thought up two on my way home from the bus...:

I can be a house
I can be a swan
I can be a lot of things
but one thing I shall only be,
two purposes I shall always have,
and two actions I shall always do.
What am I?

I look out the window
with my hand under my head.
Then my little brother comes with a frowning face
and so, as if knowing what he wants,
I give him the toy he wants most.
What am I?

:cool:

I'm probably wrong... but perhaps because Samuel called the police to come and Jerome stayed inside the death room. The police were only minutes away though and yet they met Jerome at the door(when he's suppose to be in the death room) and Samuel descended the stairs as if coming from the death room.

Pendragon

10-27-2005, 05:29 PM

:cool:

I'm probably wrong... but perhaps because Samuel called the police to come and Jerome stayed inside the death room. The police were only minutes away though and yet they met Jerome at the door(when he's suppose to be in the death room) and Samuel descended the stairs as if coming from the death room.You are correct in thinking that you are wrong. A hint though. Follow your nose. ;)

Well, it's certain that I'll have to think about these other two riddles for a while...hmmm??? http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/animal/927.gif

Anon22

10-28-2005, 03:11 PM

You are correct in thinking that you are wrong. A hint though. Follow your nose. ;)

Well, it's certain that I'll have to think about these other two riddles for a while...hmmm??? http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/animal/927.gif

Hmm... to follow my nose is to pay attention to scent. These are the only 2 paragraphs or sections of the story that include smell:

“When questioned, Samuel stated that it was the servants’ night off, but they had enjoyed dinner at a nearby nightclub. When they returned home, he and Jerome went into the library to play their nightly chess game and enjoy cigars and brandy. Mr. and Mrs. Horwitz retired to their room.

Here Jerome broke in and weeping, stated that he couldn’t believe Sonya was dead as he could still smell her lavender perfume. This reminded Joe to ask about an odor coming from the dead man’s clothes. Samuel came forward, sniffed, and stated that it was a special tobacco the dead man had made for him by a tobacconist on 7th Avenue, because it was rather mild.”

I assume the answer lies in those 2 sections. Maybe because before the 2 guns were heard they were enjoying cigars, and when they killed the guy with the gun, and then moved the guy to fake the suicide, the smell of the cigars stuck to the dead guy showing that the 2 brothers killed the Dead Brother. Also if they had just reported the death wouldn't they still smell the cigars they were smoking instead of the lavander perfume?(this is just a guess though, as I have never smoked before and will never intend to. So I really don't know how that works, do you still keep that smoking smell in your mouth or something?)

Pendragon

10-29-2005, 01:53 PM

Hmm... to follow my nose is to pay attention to scent. These are the only 2 paragraphs or sections of the story that include smell:

Here Jerome broke in and weeping, stated that he couldn’t believe Sonya was dead as he could still smell her lavender perfume. This reminded Joe to ask about an odor coming from the dead man’s clothes. Samuel came forward, sniffed, and stated that it was a special tobacco the dead man had made for him by a tobacconist on 7th Avenue, because it was rather mild.”

Maybe because before the 2 guns were heard they were enjoying cigars, and when they killed the guy with the gun, and then moved the guy to fake the suicide, the smell of the cigars stuck to the dead guy showing that the 2 brothers killed the Dead Brother. Also if they had just reported the death wouldn't they still smell the cigars they were smoking instead of the lavander perfume?(this is just a guess though, as I have never smoked before and will never intend to. So I really don't know how that works, do you still keep that smoking smell in your mouth or something?)I used to smoke, but thank God I gave up the filthy habit years ago! Yes, the smell clings. The one paragraph I left holds the answer. And you're on the right track with something you said. Go back and reread the brother's statement as to how they came to find the bodies. What was so unusual about the room? No, the tobbacco smell on Moses is his own. Something else you said is correct. Good luck! On your riddles, I'm drawing a blank. Is the first one a Bird? :)

Anon22

10-29-2005, 07:33 PM

I used to smoke, but thank God I gave up the filthy habit years ago! Yes, the smell clings. The one paragraph I left holds the answer. And you're on the right track with something you said. Go back and reread the brother's statement as to how they came to find the bodies. What was so unusual about the room? No, the tobbacco smell on Moses is his own. Something else you said is correct. Good luck! On your riddles, I'm drawing a blank. Is the first one a Bird? :)

Nope, not a bird... and I believe that something I said was the fact that the answer lies in both of those paragraphs. I'm kind of drawing a blank... the only thing I find unusual about the room would be the fact that everything's locked from the inside. Even though... I guess the reason why that might tip off the shadow is because if he was going to kill himself why would he bother locking himself inside.

Pendragon

10-30-2005, 08:41 AM

Nope, not a bird... and I believe that something I said was the fact that the answer lies in both of those paragraphs. I'm kind of drawing a blank... the only thing I find unusual about the room would be the fact that everything's locked from the inside. Even though... I guess the reason why that might tip off the shadow is because if he was going to kill himself why would he bother locking himself inside.Well, you found what was unusual about the room. Now follow your nose and ask yourself some logical questions. I still think you can get this one. I've been busy and haven't really given your ridlles the attention they need need. I'll try to find time later. :idea:

Pendragon

10-31-2005, 08:04 AM

I can be a house
I can be a swan
I can be a lot of things
but one thing I shall only be,
two purposes I shall always have,
and two actions I shall always do.
What am I?
Focusing on the first two lines, a dive. The third line I think refers to a thrown fight, the last line (actions) plunge and submerge. Anyway, A Dive

Anon22

10-31-2005, 04:15 PM

Focusing on the first two lines, a dive. The third line I think refers to a thrown fight, the last line (actions) plunge and submerge. Anyway, A Dive

??? a dive? a dive is can be a house or swan? oh, names of types of dives? well, that answer kind of confused me... err... confuses... anyhow, nope not a dive. Also note that a dive might be used for more than 2 purposes, survival, showing off, helping out(by grabbing something lost underwater), expeditions, etc. so it can't really be a dive due to that line. I'm still thinking about your mystery. I can't figure it out... unless it has something to do with a smell being trapped.

Pendragon

10-31-2005, 04:43 PM

I'm still thinking about your mystery. I can't figure it out... unless it has something to do with a smell being trapped.Exactly. Now what smell is missing that should be trapped? :lol:

Anon22

10-31-2005, 04:47 PM

Exactly. Now what smell is missing that should be trapped? :lol:

lol, the lavender perfume? but there has to be a gap somewhere to allow it to escape... air conditioner? or perhaps the brothers sealed the windows afterwards

Pendragon

10-31-2005, 05:18 PM

lol, the lavender perfume? but there has to be a gap somewhere to allow it to escape... air conditioner? or perhaps the brothers sealed the windows afterwardsLOL. No, no. You see, but you do not see. I said the smell was MISSING-- the lavender perfume is there.

Anyway, on to your riddle, the first one anyway.

A Constellation. A group of stars is what it shall only be, but it is a swan (Cygnus) and a house (a constellation controlling the rising or falling of a planet), it can serve navagational purposes, and is used in astronomy, It gives light and twinkles.

Anon22

11-01-2005, 12:28 AM

LOL. No, no. You see, but you do not see. I said the smell was MISSING-- the lavender perfume is there.

Anyway, on to your riddle, the first one anyway.

A Constellation. A group of stars is what it shall only be, but it is a swan (Cygnus) and a house (a constellation controlling the rising or falling of a planet), it can serve navagational purposes, and is used in astronomy, It gives light and twinkles.

Oh so the lavander perfume is there... so everyone's smelling the lavander perfume but the guy's smell isn't there? I guess that's the missing smell. Now I assume the next question is why it isn't there. I've no clue on that one. Someone had to open the door to get in/out to let the smell out and the brothers did when they "got in". This doesn't explain why the lavender perfume is still there though.

As for your answer... nope not a constellation... I'm sure a constellation can be used for more purposes, story-telling?

Pendragon

11-01-2005, 07:40 AM

Oh so the lavander perfume is there... so everyone's smelling the lavander perfume but the guy's smell isn't there? I guess that's the missing smell. Now I assume the next question is why it isn't there. I've no clue on that one. Someone had to open the door to get in/out to let the smell out and the brothers did when they "got in". This doesn't explain why the lavender perfume is still there though.

As for your answer... nope not a constellation... I'm sure a constellation can be used for more purposes, story-telling?Then I'm dead in the water on your riddles. I can't even find a place to start on number two.

OK. Here's the answer to mine. Look. The brother's testimony was that they heard the gunshots, then had to break down the door to get in. The police examination of the room, done very soon after the fact, shows the windows sealed. Thus if the door was shut and locked, you have a sealed room. Yet we are asked to believe that a gun was fired twice in that room without leaving the overpowering smell of burnt cordite, which would surely cover up lavender perfume and mild tobbacco. Ergo, the gun was NOT fired in the room, and the brothers are lying and have set the whole thing up to cover murder. As Holmes always said, "It's simple once you explain it." which I am sure will be the case for your riddles.... ;) :D :nod:

Pendragon

11-01-2005, 07:47 AM

A new one, perhaps? Nightshade, you already know the answer to this one.

A note: When I wrote this one, I wrote two short cuts into the story that will give you the murderer without solving anything. One requires a knowledge of crime, the other is subtle. But with the murderer, you should have no trouble putting the other two in their proper place. And if you solve it, what were those two clues?

The Three Heirs by Jonathan Blade

Commissioner Weston turned to his good friend Lamont Cranston. “I’m glad you’re here, Lamont. This case has the entire department puzzled.”

“I read about the crime. Martha Tabram, age 93, knifed to death in her own bed. There were three persons here, but all were accounted for at the time of death. So?”

“The problem is Cardona is sure one of them is guilty, but we don’t know how, who, or why.”

“Suppose I talk to them.” Cranston suggested.

The first heir was named Nathan Times, a strongly built man in his forties.

“Aunt Martha contacted the three of us last week. She said she wanted us to help her around the place, as she felt she might die soon. I’m a trained electrician, plumber, carpenter, cabinet-maker, and so forth. Times’ Timely Repairs, over on 54th Street. I was fixing the place up for Aunt Martha. This house is very valuable, it just had become rundown.”

“Where were you when your Aunt was stabbed?” Cranston asked.

“In the Library, repairing the end shelf. I met Toby at the door when we heard the scream, and we dashed to her side.”

The second heir came in now, a thin man with a bald head. “I’m Tobias Winterspoon, Attorney-at-law. I came down two weeks ago, along with Nat and Robin at Aunt Martha’s request. She asked me to put her financial affairs in order, as she felt she might not have long to live. I was working in the Study next to the Library when she screamed horribly. I dashed out, met Nat coming out of the Library and we proceeded to Aunt Martha’s room. She was dead, a dagger in her chest. Robin was bent over her.”

The third heir was a slender woman named Robin Forester. “I am a registered nurse. I came down with Toby and Nat to nurse Aunt Martha through her final illness. She was always having hallucinations. She’d yell ‘What’s that?’ and point to various areas in her room, but there was never anything there, poor dear. On the fatal night, she yelled as usual, this time about something on the ceiling, but I just humored her and cut off the light. She screamed. I turned the light back on immediately, and she was dead with a dagger in her chest.”

“Who occupies the room above her?” Cranston asked

Times answered. “No one. It’s an unfinished garret. I was up there two days ago, getting the wiring up to code and measuring for flooring.”

“This is the weapon, Cranston.” Weston extended a dagger.

“Hmm. Damascus steel and weighted to throw.”

“But no one came past me!” protested Robin.

The Shadow thought a moment, then scribbled on a piece of paper three lines. “Here’s your solution, Weston. You’ll figure it out.”

The paper read:

“The person who provided motive for the murder was only doing a fine job and is innocent.”

“The person responsible for plunging the dagger into Mrs. Tabram is also innocent, and was unaware of it.”

“The murderer has a perfect alibi.”

WHO IS WHO?

Anon22

11-01-2005, 04:35 PM

Then I'm dead in the water on your riddles. I can't even find a place to start on number two.

OK. Here's the answer to mine. Look. The brother's testimony was that they heard the gunshots, then had to break down the door to get in. The police examination of the room, done very soon after the fact, shows the windows sealed. Thus if the door was shut and locked, you have a sealed room. Yet we are asked to believe that a gun was fired twice in that room without leaving the overpowering smell of burnt cordite, which would surely cover up lavender perfume and mild tobbacco. Ergo, the gun was NOT fired in the room, and the brothers are lying and have set the whole thing up to cover murder. As Holmes always said, "It's simple once you explain it." which I am sure will be the case for your riddles.... ;) :D :nod:

Gosh, well... I don't know much about guns, so I wasn't sure whether they left a smell or not. I assumed not so that's what threw me off, even though while thinking I occasionally thought whether they left a smell or not. Guess I should've asked that... anyhow... the answer to the second one is simple. Remember, not always is the answer to a riddle something you can touch. Think, he was looking outside the window, his fist under his head. Then he did something nice to his brother. What is he? I'm sure there are more than one word that matches those 2 things, but the word I'm thinking of starts with a T and ends with an L. Perhaps it will be easier to figure it out now.

Anon22

11-01-2005, 04:55 PM

The paper read:

“The person who provided motive for the murder was only doing a fine job and is innocent.”

“The person responsible for plunging the dagger into Mrs. Tabram is also innocent, and was unaware of it.”

“The murderer has a perfect alibi.”

WHO IS WHO?

The person who provided motive... is that Nat? "The house is very valuable, just rundown"

The person responsible for plunging the dagger into Mrs. Tabram... is that Robin? Obviously Nat or the murderer left a knife in the room above. Since Nat wasn't finished with the wiring, when the nurse cut off the light, something must've happened in the room above causing the dagger to move and plunge into her chest.

The last one only leaves one person, Toby. His alibi? I'm not sure... perhaps the aunt herself since she was that felt she was going to die soon... and oddly enough she did.

As for your 2 clues... I don't know... lol...

Pendragon

11-01-2005, 05:44 PM

The person who provided motive... is that Nat? "The house is very valuable, just rundown"

The person responsible for plunging the dagger into Mrs. Tabram... is that Robin? Obviously Nat or the murderer left a knife in the room above. Since Nat wasn't finished with the wiring, when the nurse cut off the light, something must've happened in the room above causing the dagger to move and plunge into her chest.

The last one only leaves one person, Toby. His alibi? I'm not sure... perhaps the aunt herself since she was that felt she was going to die soon... and oddly enough she did.

As for your 2 clues... I don't know... lol...You got Robin right--now work backwards from there. What could cause the "dagger to move and plunge into her chest" because Robin flipped off the lights? Since you are right on this--you should get this one. Then I'll tell you the clues and you'll kick yourself over one of them! :) Meanwhile, I'm drawing a blank on both your riddles. Give me two days. Then post the answers. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Anon22

11-01-2005, 08:04 PM

You got Robin right--now work backwards from there. What could cause the "dagger to move and plunge into her chest" because Robin flipped off the lights? Since you are right on this--you should get this one. Then I'll tell you the clues and you'll kick yourself over one of them! :) Meanwhile, I'm drawing a blank on both your riddles. Give me two days. Then post the answers. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Alrighty... I'm sure you should get the second one... I just told you a clue that should definetly help. Anyhow... since I got Robin right, but the other 2 wrong... it's obvious that I just have to reverse the other two. So the first one's Toby, motive being money. The second one's Robin. The murderer's Nat, his alibi being he was in the library when it happened... even though he set up the knife(for some reason I thought alibi meant ally or something which is why I said the Aunt herself in the last one, my bad). He wasn't finished with the wiring so I would assume if he set it up, he'd set it up so the knife would fall over due to electricity and I would also assume, perhaps, magnetism. So an electromagnet? when she turns of the light, the electromagnet would turn off causing the knife it was holding to fall.

Pendragon

11-02-2005, 08:59 AM

Alrighty... I'm sure you should get the second one... I just told you a clue that should definetly help. Anyhow... since I got Robin right, but the other 2 wrong... it's obvious that I just have to reverse the other two. So the first one's Toby, motive being money. The second one's Robin. The murderer's Nat, his alibi being he was in the library when it happened... even though he set up the knife(for some reason I thought alibi meant ally or something which is why I said the Aunt herself in the last one, my bad). He wasn't finished with the wiring so I would assume if he set it up, he'd set it up so the knife would fall over due to electricity and I would also assume, perhaps, magnetism. So an electromagnet? when she turns of the light, the electromagnet would turn off causing the knife it was holding to fall. Good. Good. Here's how it went in my logic.

Only the lawyer could provide motive by doing his job, i.e., making out the will.
The nurse was the only person present when the dagger killed her Aunt.
The repairman is the murderer. While redoing the wiring, he set up an Electro-magnet wired to his Aunt’s light switch. Then when he got a chance, he planted the knife on the ceiling. The steel stuck to the magnet as long as the light was on. When the nurse cut the light off the weighted dagger fell and killed her Aunt. Times was safely in the Library, and could prove it.

Solution to hidden puzzles:Name of the victim is the first clue, if you are a student of crime. You see, Martha Tabram, age 39, was found murdered in George Yard, off Whitechapel High Street, London, August 4, 1888, stabbed 39 TIMES, (one actually through the brestbone), apparently a victim of Jack the Ripper.

Secondly, TIMES is an anagram for IT’S ME. You really should have caught that! :D :lol: :nod:

I'm going to take a rest on my little puzzles, and maybe allow someone else to get their oars in the water. I'm still working on your two though. Like I said, two days. :wave:

Anon22

11-02-2005, 03:14 PM

Good. Good. Here's how it went in my logic.

Only the lawyer could provide motive by doing his job, i.e., making out the will.
The nurse was the only person present when the dagger killed her Aunt.
The repairman is the murderer. While redoing the wiring, he set up an Electro-magnet wired to his Aunt’s light switch. Then when he got a chance, he planted the knife on the ceiling. The steel stuck to the magnet as long as the light was on. When the nurse cut the light off the weighted dagger fell and killed her Aunt. Times was safely in the Library, and could prove it.

Solution to hidden puzzles:Name of the victim is the first clue, if you are a student of crime. You see, Martha Tabram, age 39, was found murdered in George Yard, off Whitechapel High Street, London, August 4, 1888, stabbed 39 TIMES, (one actually through the brestbone), apparently a victim of Jack the Ripper.

Secondly, TIMES is an anagram for IT’S ME. You really should have caught that! :D :lol: :nod:

I'm going to take a rest on my little puzzles, and maybe allow someone else to get their oars in the water. I'm still working on your two though. Like I said, two days. :wave:

Oh, lol, didn't see that... x) :lol I figured the hint would be some sort of item. Yay I finally got one of your puzzles. ^_^ Anyhow, I just realized... that no one beside us 2 has posted in this topic for a couple of pages... lol wonder what's up...

Pendragon

11-03-2005, 09:41 AM

Oh, lol, didn't see that... x) :lol I figured the hint would be some sort of item. Yay I finally got one of your puzzles. ^_^ Anyhow, I just realized... that no one beside us 2 has posted in this topic for a couple of pages... lol wonder what's up...
I dunno. That's why I was going to take a rest on my puzzles, but if no one else posts in a week, I'll fire some more. Hey, just post the answers to these two. I've been sick and then my brother scared us yesterday by being rushed to a heart hospital out-of-state and I got back very late. He's fine, false alarm, thank God. We'll try some new ones, I can't concentrate on these... :eek2: :nod:

Anon22

11-03-2005, 06:36 PM

I dunno. That's why I was going to take a rest on my puzzles, but if no one else posts in a week, I'll fire some more. Hey, just post the answers to these two. I've been sick and then my brother scared us yesterday by being rushed to a heart hospital out-of-state and I got back very late. He's fine, false alarm, thank God. We'll try some new ones, I can't concentrate on these... :eek2: :nod:

Wow... scary. He has heart problems? bleh, nvm. The answers to the 2:

1. Mailbox(Different designs, shall always be a mailbox, gives and receives, opens and closes)

2. Thoughtful. Thoughtful by thinking(fist under his head, looking out the window), did something kind and thoughtful towards his brother

Pendragon

11-03-2005, 07:42 PM

Wow... scary. He has heart problems? bleh, nvm. The answers to the 2:

1. Mailbox(Different designs, shall always be a mailbox, gives and receives, opens and closes)

2. Thoughtful. Thoughtful by thinking(fist under his head, looking out the window), did something kind and thoughtful towards his brotherTo quote Charlie Brown, "Rats!" So I WAS right about the second one but I thought, nay-- :rolleyes: We need to get some other people interested in this thread! Come on, people, give us some puzzles to solve! We feel like we're competing with each other! I know you're out there! I can hear you breathing! :lol: :lol: http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/485.gif

Anon22

11-03-2005, 08:40 PM

To quote Charlie Brown, "Rats!" So I WAS right about the second one but I thought, nay-- :rolleyes: We need to get some other people interested in this thread! Come on, people, give us some puzzles to solve! We feel like we're competing with each other! I know you're out there! I can hear you breathing! :lol: :lol: http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/485.gif

lol, yeah, I know that feeling. ^_^ Anyhow.... yeah, people, please post... for every moment you don't post, a kitty dies, think of the kitties ;_;

Pendragon

11-07-2005, 10:49 AM

Doesn't anyone have a puzzle to post except the D-man and me? Give us your riddles, prehaps you may be the one to fool us! Please, we implore you! Post! ;)

Nightshade

11-07-2005, 01:52 PM

Pendragon

11-07-2005, 08:34 PM

tush tush no need to yell :rolleyes:
OK this one is really dumb Its really from an advert I saw on the back of a magazine in the staff room but I thought of you Pen so

The mst presious thing in life. It only exsists for an instant. Its here then its gone.
what is it??Time only lasts a moment then the moment's gone (from Dust in the Wind by Kansas) :nod: PS, PM me the codes for the smileys, I can only put them in from memory and by hand :rolleyes:

Nightshade

11-08-2005, 07:52 AM

Time only lasts a moment then the moment's gone (from Dust in the Wind by Kansas) :nod:
nope it was in an advert although I think time fits nope on the right track though..

codes to what??
oh Ill just have to wait till you turn up

Pendragon

11-08-2005, 03:51 PM

nope it was in an advert although I think time fits nope on the right track though..

codes to what??
oh Ill just have to wait till you turn upA breath or a heartbeat then. The code :laugh: or whatever yhat makes :smile: show up since that's how I'm having to do it right now and I can remember quite a few :wave: :angel: :nod: :crash: :brickwall: :rolleyes: :eek2: :mad: :confused:

Nightshade

11-08-2005, 05:45 PM

its lol :rolleyes and smilie is : ) :) and : D :D
and : p :p
and its not those either think time was the right track....

Anon22

11-08-2005, 10:36 PM

its lol :rolleyes and smilie is : ) :) and : D :D
and : p :p
and its not those either think time was the right track....

Thought? without it nothing really would exist, everything would be still. A thought is just there for a moment and passes. Or perhaps Nothing since nothing can ever really be "precious" just depends on the point of view.

Nightshade

11-09-2005, 06:22 AM

nope :lol:
maybe if you knew what it was an advert for it would help? do you want to know??

Pendragon

11-09-2005, 01:08 PM

D-Man could tell could how frustratingly logical my thinking goes! OK, I can think of two things related to time that only last a moment then it's gone (although both could be argued) but we're talking about the actual moment, that might be mentioned in an advert. Birth and death. (Birth control or coffins, life insurance, etc.) Life is the most precious thing but it only lasts a moment, then it's gone. I'll go with that and assume your advert was for life insurance or against abortion. :nod:

Nightshade

11-09-2005, 05:06 PM

nope nope nope:D
ok The advert was a vodaphone advert and if you dont know what that is its a cell/mobile phone company well actually a line more than company they dont make phones

:D

Anon22

11-09-2005, 06:02 PM

Word...

no seriously Word, that's my answer. :lol:

Nightshade

11-09-2005, 06:39 PM

Nope
this is fun http://www.spacespider.net/emo/whacky092.gif

Shea

11-09-2005, 08:03 PM

A second?.

Nightshade

11-10-2005, 06:03 AM

still nope
:D

Pendragon

11-10-2005, 09:53 AM

I still say it's minutes as I said on the chat line....http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/497.gif

Nightshade

11-10-2005, 10:04 AM

nope :D
andthismessageistoshooortbutImonlyrushingthrough
:D

Shea

11-10-2005, 10:09 AM

an answer?

Nightshade

11-10-2005, 10:12 AM

nope :D:D
got to go bye bye :wave:

Shea

11-10-2005, 10:52 PM

We still haven't figured this one out? I'm all out of guesses for the moment.

Pendragon

11-11-2005, 12:47 PM

Week's up! Here come another Shadow short mystery by me, writing as Jonathan Blade......

The Ghost of Kinderhook Manor by Jonathan Blade

“Do you believe in ghosts?”

Lamont Cranston studied his martini as he considered his answer. Commissioner Weston wasn’t the type to ask frivolous questions.

“I couldn’t really say, Commissioner. I’ve been in many strange places and seen things that aren’t easily explained by science. Why do you ask?” An eerie burning glow smoldered deep in Cranston’s eyes, but Weston took no notice.

“It’s the old Kinderhook Manor, out near Tarreytown.”

“Surely, that’s out of your jurisdiction, Commissioner?” The gleam grew in Cranston’s eyes.

“It is. But Captain Stormfield and I are old friends. I was up that way visiting last week. The Kinderhook Manor is one of the oldest houses in this part of the country. It has passed down from father to son for 200 years, from the time of old Koenrad Kinderhook.

“But when the last Kinderhook died, one Gottfried, his son Abraham could not be located as he was an explorer in Africa. The house was kept open by servants, pending Abraham’s return. They were given a monthly stipend for that very purpose. That was 20 years ago.

“Last Thursday, Abraham Kinderhook showed up, produced proof of identity, and was able to retrieve money his father left him at the bank. Then, together with Stormfield and I, went to take possession of the house. Tiebolt, the Butler, met us at the door with a handful of flashlights. The only light in the house came from a few candles, and the cook’s fireplace. She was also with Tiebolt, holding a large tabby, and two others were at her feet. Tiebolt explained that the gas had been turned off for non-payment, but he would show us around.

“As we ascended the staircase, the cook screamed. Tiebolt cursed, and pointed. All of us clearly saw a transparent figure of a woman float across the balcony, and wink out. Kinderhook told of a legendary family ghost, which Tiebolt swore had been haunting them for months. The duced cats were the only calm ones present after that, I can tell you!”

Lamont chuckled in a way reminiscent of The Shadow. “Tell Captain Stormfield to assure Abraham Kinderhook that his ancestral home is not haunted. And have him arrest Tiebolt and the cook. And by the way, check all of those flashlights!”

WHAT DOES THE SHADOW SUSPECT AND WHY?
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Chava

11-11-2005, 01:14 PM

Some form of hollographic projector?

Pendragon

11-11-2005, 03:40 PM

Some form of hollographic projector?OK. I'll accept, since you probably didn't know that the Shadow's world is 30's-40's New York. Now solve the why. ;)

Nightshade

11-11-2005, 04:27 PM

We still haven't figured this one out? I'm all out of guesses for the moment.

Do you want the answer??
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Anon22

11-14-2005, 09:28 PM

OK. I'll accept, since you probably didn't know that the Shadow's world is 30's-40's New York. Now solve the why. ;)

This one's actually kind of easy, I've noticed a few things:

-Servants got a monthly Stipend
-The cats weren't scared when the ghost passed by, I would assume they should
-The cook had a Tabby on her lap
-The ghost flying across the balcony was a woman, perhaps the Cook herself?
-or perhaps a picture of the cook herself? you know if you put some transparent colored paper over the flashlight, the light would change to that color. So if you were to put a picture, transparent enough, you would see a ghost-like picture.

The why's the easy. They were trying to scare Abraham away so they could keep their monthly stipends. The how on the other hand isn't. Like I said, I'm guessing they put something over the flashlights to make the ghost appear.

Pendragon

11-16-2005, 08:57 AM

This one's actually kind of easy, I've noticed a few things:

-Servants got a monthly Stipend
-The cats weren't scared when the ghost passed by, I would assume they should
-The cook had a Tabby on her lap
-The ghost flying across the balcony was a woman, perhaps the Cook herself?
-or perhaps a picture of the cook herself? you know if you put some transparent colored paper over the flashlight, the light would change to that color. So if you were to put a picture, transparent enough, you would see a ghost-like picture.

The why's the easy. They were trying to scare Abraham away so they could keep their monthly stipends. The how on the other hand isn't. Like I said, I'm guessing they put something over the flashlights to make the ghost appear.Stick a fork in it, she's done! But I really have two winners. Chava was right, she just was unaware of the timeline involved. D-Man, more aware of the timeline, came even closer to what I had in mind and solved the why.

The check of the fllashlights will show one to be a "magic lantern projector", popular in those days. They held a glass slide with an image on it, which ould be projected on a wall. Since others had flashlights, no one would susspect when the Butler used his to make the image move along the landing, and turning it off would makie it vanish. The ghost was fake, otherwise, as any psychic reasearcher could tell you, the cats would NOT remain calm. Ergo, the servants were stealing the money and didn't want any heir messing up their playhouse! Good show Chava and D-Man! Nanners please.

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Too simple? Hummmm.........

Pendragon

11-16-2005, 09:04 AM

Let's try this one, although it may be too easy as well, I can never tell....

The Search for Silk Donovan by Jonathan Blade

Cliff Marsland strode into the Black Ship and paused a moment to look around. Several men gulped their drinks and left hastily. Cliff spotted “Snoop” Jackson at a corner table and walked over and sat down across from the pasty-faced man. A couple nearby drinkers moved to tables further away. Cliff smiled to himself at these indications that his reputation in the underworld was still solid.

“Hello, Snoop.”

“Whatcha after me for, Cliff? Ain’t I always been fair wit you?”

“Sure, Snoop, sure.” Marsland leaned forward so that only Snoop heard his next words. “But what if I were to mention to these gents that you’re a stoolie for Cardona?”

The pasty-faced man blanched. “Say, Cliff, you ain’t putting dem wise are ya? Dey’d kill me sure.” He ran a nervous hand, the sure sign of a coke addict across his face.

“Not if you tell me what I want to know. I got a crib to crack, Snoop. Where’s Silk Donovan?”

“Oh, Lord, Cliff, I dunno. Honest. Silk vanished after we pulled dat bank job over in Holmwood. Funny about ol’ Blue-eyes Silk. You’d never guess, but he were an actor onct. Used to do Shakespeare over at the 34th Street Theater. Ol’ Doc Johnson, who ran da joint, allus said dat wit Silk on de payroll, he could give de plays jus’ de way Shakespeare would have.”

Cliff snarled into the terrified man’s face. “Enough history lesson, Snoop. Now you tell me how to contact Silk or I—“ He waved a hand at the room.

Snoop poured a drink and gulped it greedily. “Okay. Okay. I were told to tell anyone lookin’ fer Silk tuh see Zelda, de Gypsy fortune-teller over on 88th Street. She’s a weird ol’ moll, but she’s square.”

“Thanks, Snoop.” Marsland slipped a twenty-dollar bill to the frightened man. “I was never here.”

“Sure, Cliff!” Snoop blurred, relieved to get rid of this man who knew so much about him.

Marsland took Shrevvy’s cab to 88th Street. The fortune-teller’s shop was easy to find, with a blaring electric sign in the window: Madame Zelda: Sees All, Knows All. Cliff went inside.

The old Gypsy woman had startling violet eyes that gleamed glassily under the flickering candles and among the incense smoke.

“Tell your fortune, sir?” She asked in a lilting accent. “Cross this old one’s palm with silver and I will tell you everything.”

Cliff dug up a silver dollar and placed it in the Gypsy’s outstretched palm. He judged her to be somewhere in her seventies from her wrinkled, gap-toothed appearance.

“Ah, the gentleman is most kind.” Zelda sat a crystal ball on a purple curtained table. “What does old Zelda see here? Ah! You are the man known as Clifford Marsland. You seek the assistance of one Silk Donovan for an activity that is, shall we say, not legal. I have bad news for you Mr. Marsland. Silk Donavan is gone. He has vanished from the world of men. Perhaps you should consult a spirit medium, eh? Heh! Heh! Heh!” The old crone cackled with delight.

Cliff left the Gypsy’s place and entered a tobacco shop to use the pay phone. He dialed a number from memory.

A whispered voice ordered: “Report!”

In short, concise sentences, Cliff told of his adventures in trying to locate Silk Donovan.

There was silence for a moment. Then the words: “Off duty.”

Later, a shadowy shape rose from the darkness of a lonely bedroom to confront the occupant. “Your game is over, Donovan. Did you think you’d get away with it? Did you think The Shadow wouldn’t know?”

WHO WAS THIS PERSON THAT THE SHADOW IDENTIFED AS DONOVAN, ASSUMING EVERYONE HAS TOLD THE TRUTH?

Kaltrina

11-18-2005, 07:03 AM

Pendragon

11-18-2005, 09:44 AM

could it be Cliff himself... maybe he vanished and now came back to see if people know aomething about him... Snoop did say that he was an actor so he might have disguised as another person....well that was the first thought that came to me...hope I'm not talking rubbish... lol No, not Cliff--he works FOR the Shadow, so the Shadow is well aware of who he is, but to give you kudus, since you've never read the Shadow Magazine (at least I doubt it) Cliff is not who he seems to be, that isn't even his real name. He was an espionage agent in the Great War, where he first met the Shadow. Cliff went to Sing-Sing prision for a crime his wife's brother committed and was framed for murder. He plays the part of a gangster to infiltrate the Badlands for the Shadow and get valuable information. He enjoys the reputation of a cold-blooded killer when he is actually married to a millionare's daughter, and respectable. So great spot that Cliff may not be who he seems to be.

Crescent

11-19-2005, 09:55 AM

ol doc johnson as he is the only person to know something about silk that is not given by the person we have seen alive - if everyone is 'square' with us, then this character(bar the Cardona who is not referred to) has to be the one...
maybe..?!

Pendragon

11-21-2005, 12:43 PM

smilingtearz

11-21-2005, 02:08 PM

papayahed

11-21-2005, 07:48 PM

Pendragon

11-22-2005, 09:59 AM

this is the first time im reading this thread...n the first time im attempting..
I think its Zelda, de Gypsy fortune-teller ...
Silk was a gud actor especially gud with shakespeare...in shakespeare men used to do the part of women...n later zelda says that he's vanished from the world of men(everybody's said the truth)...so now he's disguised n acting as a woman...is that the answer??AHA! We have a WINNER! And one who caught BOTH CLUES! Most just catch the one "vanished from the world of men." Smiling Tears I pronouce you a Problem Solver-Deluxe!
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And Papayahed, you might not know it, but colored contacts have been around since the late 1800's for use in costume. Check me out on it! They appear in all the old pulps from the 30's and 40's and in one of Sherlock Holmes original mysteries. The Shadow, of course, is from Steet and Smith's magazine of the same name, first published in 1932 and running until 1949. He also appeared on the Radio.