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coberst
04-09-2009, 05:08 AM
Falsification or comparison, which is more suitable?

Karl Popper’s theory of criticism is that a theory can be falsified if it does not conform to the facts. I argue that this mode of criticism is satisfactory for some domains of knowledge but not for others.

Popper’s theory of criticism is adequate in matters of the natural sciences wherein knowledge deals only with monological and not multilogical concerns. Physics is a normal science, as defined by Thomas Kuhn, and a normal science is one in which the paradigm defines the boundaries and logic of the particular domain of knowledge under consideration.

An example might be the development of the atomic bomb. The scientists working on the bomb were confined strictly to the logic of physics; they did not, perhaps could not, accomplish their task if they were to consider matters of morality.

“Since social and political theories are unavoidably selective, partial and culturally conditioned, the only way to improve them is to force them to explain themselves, to articulate and justify their assumptions and choice of concepts, to defend their interpretations of facts and show why other interpretations are mistaken.”

Theories of physics are determined to be true or false by physical measurements: by weighing and/or measuring. Theories in the human sciences must be defended by narrative. The defense of Darwin’s theory of natural selection is such an example.

“Facts destroy a social or political theory not so much by falsifying it as by undermining its integrity and credibility, by making it incoherent…What one needs, therefore is not a boxing match…and the victory goes to the one who deals a knock-out blow…but a sympathetic and imaginative dialogue in which each contestant tries to learn from the rest.”

Social and political knowledge grows as a result of both criticism and sympathetic imagination through dialogical reasoning; thereby incorporating insight from an ever more sophisticated and broadening vision.

Quotes from Knowledge and Belief in Politics edited by Robert Benewick, R.N. Berki, and Bhikhu Parekh

The Atheist
04-10-2009, 04:19 AM
Falsification or comparison, which is more suitable?

Falsification for science, comparison for socio-political/moral consideration.

Isn't that a given since we [usually] can't have falsification of social policy?

As to this bit:

Theories in the human sciences must be defended by narrative. The defense of Darwin’s theory of natural selection is such an example.

I just disagree with it. The conerstone of the ToE is biological fact, which is why Darwin's original theory is indefensible and out of date. Natural selection isn't the answer because it's popular, it's true because biology can create falsifiable predictions on genetics and assimilate them as fact once proven.

The whole thing seems a bit confused and most likely simply through mis-labelling of biology as a "human science", which label I'd reserve for sociology, philosophy, the arts and all those other things which facilitate students of to get jobs at McDonald's.

coberst
04-10-2009, 06:48 AM
Falsification for science, comparison for socio-political/moral consideration.

Isn't that a given since we [usually] can't have falsification of social policy?

As to this bit:

Theories in the human sciences must be defended by narrative. The defense of Darwin’s theory of natural selection is such an example.

I just disagree with it. The conerstone of the ToE is biological fact, which is why Darwin's original theory is indefensible and out of date. Natural selection isn't the answer because it's popular, it's true because biology can create falsifiable predictions on genetics and assimilate them as fact once proven.

The whole thing seems a bit confused and most likely simply through mis-labelling of biology as a "human science", which label I'd reserve for sociology, philosophy, the arts and all those other things which facilitate students of to get jobs at McDonald's.


It might be a given for sophisticated thinkers but it appears to me that few Americans fall within that category.

To my knowledge Darwin's theory is justified primarily by narrative with perhaps some measurements such as DNA and a series of fossils added to that narrative.

The Atheist
04-11-2009, 04:09 PM
It might be a given for sophisticated thinkers but it appears to me that few Americans fall within that category.

I don't think it's limited to Americans.


To my knowledge Darwin's theory is justified primarily by narrative with perhaps some measurements such as DNA and a series of fossils added to that narrative.

No, that's going right back to the original theory. It all hangs together on pretty solid science nowadays.(You need to check out my JREF Evolution thread! :) )

Ohmyscience
04-12-2009, 05:38 AM
If there is DNA to prove mutation to other species over a course even a few generations in flies and bacteria, that is enough for me to accept the theory of evolution as a good one. The only thing lacking with the theory is that it makes no predictions that are available in other theories. But even then I think at some point science can create artificial environments to see what directions mutations take and by what mechanism.

The Atheist
04-12-2009, 09:28 AM
The only thing lacking with the theory is that it makes no predictions that are available in other theories.

There are, actually.

The predictions are a bit odd, because they're predictions of what did happen and are provable through the fossil record.