Some weird ideas

[Stanislaw]

I had a thought about the old argument, about how nothing is something because it is still quantified as a lack of something thus making it something.

well, using that logic, nothing would be one dimensional ie. it has depth but not width or height.

so nothing can't exist, because it is a one dimensional something.



heh heh, not bad for early morning now is it!

[mono]

I had a thought about the old argument, about how nothing is something because it is still quantified as a lack of something thus making it something.

well, using that logic, nothing would be one dimensional ie. it has depth but not width or height.

so nothing can't exist, because it is a one dimensional something.

heh heh, not bad for early morning now is it!
Very interesting thought, Stanislaw. I certainly see your point that "nothing is something . . . as a lack of something."
This has persisted as an ongoing debate between philosophers. To nihilists, like Friedrich Nietzsche, nothing exists, all exists as a common illusion in every mind. To transcendentalists, like Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau, everything exists, but on different levels; the mind indeed perceives things independently and subjectively, but it requires both a perceiver and a perceived to . . . perceive (I just noticed how George Berkeley also seems very 'transcendental' thinker). To more unique philosophers, like Plato, Immanuel Kant, and Jean-Paul Sartre, everything exists, except what does not exist, which sounds typical, but he states that we cannot even speak of nothingness, as even the noun, 'nothing,' refers to something, so stating that "nothing exists" makes no sense, as nothing is not, questioning an absolute nothing.
(suddenly I feel reminded of that movie The Neverending Story:D)

[baddad]

Sure. Fine. But nothing MUST have more than one dimension, nes ce pas'?

[atiguhya padma]

An absence of something is not the presence of something (outside the box that contains Schrodinger's Cat that is:) ).

It strikes me that the apparent paradox that you refer to, is little more than an inexactitude of our language systems.

To create nothing, you need to have a space from which you have extracted all the things that constitued the something that was there before.

[Stanislaw]

but the void in which the something was exacted from is a void, or nothing, and therefore is something, because the lack of something is nothing which in its own sence is still some state of being.


And to answer dad's question:

well going by the basis of the above argument, ^, it is plausible to assume that nothing is infact a three dimensional lack of something. But, if we go by the assumption that nothing is a kind of allternate something that is still something, but a non observable something that nothing could be 1 dimensional.

[atiguhya padma]

Can 'is' be correctly attributed to the term void? Is it not the case that we attribute a term, 'void', to the absence of existence, and then assume that something exists because we have a term for it?

[baddad]

truthfully? I love this place.........

And of course nothing is at least three dimensional!!!..........to human perception..............at this point in our evolution.......

[papayahed]

But we still can't pick up a hole and take it with us.

[Stanislaw]

nope, we can't take nothing with us, and theoretically, we should be able to see nothing, since it is nothing.

AP:

Giving it a term does to some sence quantify it, and if it is quantifyable, then it has to be something, the something just happens to be a lack of anything

[lhaeber]

But we still can't pick up a hole and take it with us.
Bugs Bunny can. :banana:

[baddad]

Wow....I wish I could figure out how to do that damn dancing banana.......surely there is 'nothing' to it.........

[lhaeber]

Heyyyyyyyyyyyy, are you saying that "shirley" there is nothing to it because I did it? :banana: :banana: :smash:

[lhaeber]

Go advanced, young man, go advanced.

[baddad]

I go advanced.......no banana.......me no understand........maybe some instructions via private message? Of course, you may (probably will) doom us all to an avalanche of 'dancing-you-know-whats'.........

[Stanislaw]

nothing, knowledge, colour, and the absolute state of infinity have been my topics of discussion at home and work... I should probably get some sleep, or a really good psychologist! :D

[baddad]

nothing, knowledge, colour, and the absolute state of infinity have been my topics of discussion at home and work... I should probably get some sleep, or a really good psychologist! :D

But oh, what fun!!!!

[Stanislaw]

Indeed, 'tis always fun when our manager stares at you over lunch with a semi horrified- confused expression, lol.

No I'm just kidding, but 'twas an interesting discussion, crossing over philosophy, mathematics, chemistry, physics, biology, and dementia. :D