God, science and agnosticism

[blazeofglory]

In fact I am an agnostic. Having said so I am not a theist and atheist. In point of fact I am torn between the two. God is something we choose to turn to when nothing can satisfy us when we have questions about creation.

Of course science has tried to answer some of our questions, and yet physics suffers limitations and beyond some phenomena it can not penetrate.

There are some domains that are impregnable and human understanding can not reach there.

There comes spirituality then and we take on faith to answer us and satisfy our questioning minds.

I beleive science will never can say something conclusively and ultimately we will have no other choice than to turn to faith.

We see even at the turn of the century that people have not given up their faiths at all. They try to shore up faith through logics.

[planet earth]

In fact I am an agnostic. Having said so I am not a theist and atheist. In point of fact I am torn between the two. God is something we choose to turn to when nothing can satisfy us when we have questions about creation.

Of course science has tried to answer some of our questions, and yet physics suffers limitations and beyond some phenomena it can not penetrate.

There are some domains that are impregnable and human understanding can not reach there.

There comes spirituality then and we take on faith to answer us and satisfy our questioning minds.

I beleive science will never can say something conclusively and ultimately we will have no other choice than to turn to faith.

We see even at the turn of the century that people have not given up their faiths at all. They try to shore up faith through logics.

First let me ask you a question. Are you really and honestly torn between both and searching? because if you are Let me tell you that anyone who looks for God, and asks for His Guidance, will definetly reach Him and know He is, without any evidence.

Prophet Muhammad if you may allow me to talk about him, had this quest inside him before he became a prophet. He lived in a coomunity that worshipped idols> He refused this but did not know where the truth lay. He used to spend periods of time alone in a cave until the Quran descended upon Him.

He was unlettered and hence he had no idea what mankind was made of, and the first verse was thus a revelation in itself.

The faith that entered the hearts of his comrades later on, was the same. When light enters the heart, let me tell you, it is only then that one knows he was in darkness. That is why the comrades tolerated different types of torture by the hands of intolerant disbelievers. But the light that came into their hearts deserved sacrifice.

No science can explain this entire change that would make people endure torture, with no reason. But there is a reason; knowing the Creator.

We need God always, not only when we have no one else to revert to. It is just that we are taking all his grants for granted that makes one feel we are not in His need.

Just as the baby knows his mother that he has never seen whilst he was inside her womb but knows that she exists and is waiting for him to come to her, and just as he learns to suckle searching for his food. A baby is aware that despite he has not seen her, his mum exists and waits to see her and to feed him.

This certanity is what fills the heart of the believer making one stop doubt and go into the light of Guidance.

[JacobF]

In fact I am an agnostic. Having said so I am not a theist and atheist. In point of fact I am torn between the two. God is something we choose to turn to when nothing can satisfy us when we have questions about creation.

Of course science has tried to answer some of our questions, and yet physics suffers limitations and beyond some phenomena it can not penetrate.

There are some domains that are impregnable and human understanding can not reach there.

There comes spirituality then and we take on faith to answer us and satisfy our questioning minds.

I beleive science will never can say something conclusively and ultimately we will have no other choice than to turn to faith.

We see even at the turn of the century that people have not given up their faiths at all. They try to shore up faith through logics.

I agree, nothing is absolute. Science will never be able to determine how everything works. But this is relative to technology, capabilities (e.g. we need a lot of scientists to discover how things work) and how accepting a culture is of scientific information. However, just because science won't figure out everything (I think it will be close enough to it some day) I don't see why we must turn to faith. 1000 years ago faith was the answer because we didn't have the scientific knowledge we have today. Everyone had faith because that's all there was. But now that science has discovered and disproved so many unknown occurrences and fallacies respectively, people tend to lean away from faith as the only answer. Therefore, do we really need faith anymore?

I think accepting that we don't know everything is better than turning to faith. No one can ever know everything. No vessel of information will contain the absolute truths to the universe -- that includes all scientific discoveries and holy scriptures alike. But as rational and logical beings we can at least try our best without having to rely on faith.

[skasian]

First let me ask you a question. Are you really and honestly torn between both and searching? because if you are Let me tell you that anyone who looks for God, and asks for His Guidance, will definetly reach Him and know He is, without any evidence.

Prophet Muhammad if you may allow me to talk about him, had this quest inside him before he became a prophet. He lived in a coomunity that worshipped idols> He refused this but did not know where the truth lay. He used to spend periods of time alone in a cave until the Quran descended upon Him.

He was unlettered and hence he had no idea what mankind was made of, and the first verse was thus a revelation in itself.

The faith that entered the hearts of his comrades later on, was the same. When light enters the heart, let me tell you, it is only then that one knows he was in darkness. That is why the comrades tolerated different types of torture by the hands of intolerant disbelievers. But the light that came into their hearts deserved sacrifice.

No science can explain this entire change that would make people endure torture, with no reason. But there is a reason; knowing the Creator.

We need God always, not only when we have no one else to revert to. It is just that we are taking all his grants for granted that makes one feel we are not in His need.

Just as the baby knows his mother that he has never seen whilst he was inside her womb but knows that she exists and is waiting for him to come to her, and just as he learns to suckle searching for his food. A baby is aware that despite he has not seen her, his mum exists and waits to see her and to feed him.

This certanity is what fills the heart of the believer making one stop doubt and go into the light of Guidance.

Thanks for this post, it is very enlightening.

[Pewnut]

I, too, am at peace with my agnosticism. I don't really see the point in "worrying" or speaking with such certainty about things that are beyond the range of human experience or understanding.

If there is a God/Gods and if He/She/They are as powerful as it is told, then He/She/They must know that I'm truly honest about the way I feel on this issue and that I mean no disrespect. :)