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AuntShecky
01-13-2009, 04:54 PM
You Know I’ll Stop Reading Your Short Story When --

–the posting is one long block of text unrelieved by spaces between paragraphs, if indeed, the author knows how to shape his sentences into paragraphs to begin with.

–it’s been typed in ALL CAPS (or in a fancy, swirling font that is tough on the eyes.)

-it’s riddled with grammatical, spelling, and punctuation errors. This carelessness not only shows that the author has no respect for the reader, but also that he hasn’t enough respect for his own work to present it as error-free as possible. By the way, why are some writers in love with the exclamation point, which should be used rarely, and only then within dialogue? Why any sentence in the English language should be followed by a long string of ! is beyond my admittedly-limited understanding.

–the opening passage is weak. An effective way to begin a story is “in media res,” right in the middle of the action. The best stories grab the reader with the first sentence, perhaps even the first word.

–the topic is too large or too small. Fiction is not a big bolt of cloth to be thrown on the table: if it’s a spool of thread that gradually unrolls, revealing some information with each revolution, it’s a novel; if it’s a little swatch of material from the cloth in which the reader can see a few details that indicate about the character, then it’s a short story.

–if the subject of the story concerns a subject that has already been done over and over again in the history of literature, where usually it has been done better. So if the story is about a faithful pet, young love, jilted love, an old person who learns a valuable lesson from a young ‘un or vice versa, a framework for senseless violence, a heist, cops or private detectives solving crimes, ghosts, zombies, and vampires, I’ll probably stop reading – unless the hackneyed plot is handled in a totally fresh way, say, a vegetarian zombie or a vampire who is allergic to hemoglobin.

–the story is moldy with cliches. Years ago an editor from The New Yorker famously said that he reads every unsolicited manuscript that appears on his desk, but that he stops reading when he comes to a cliche. If one is writing a piece of fiction, why would he want to use a phrase that has already been written thousands of times before? The only time to use a cliche appear is in a satire or a parody of a Babbitt-type character, the kind of a guy who wouldn’t recognize a fresh expression if it came in the form of a whipped cream pie hitting him in the face. ( The pie-in-the face is a comedy cliche, by the way.) Cliches are for unimaginative types, not writers of short stories, the best of whom think up new ways to be expressive while moving their fiction along.

Back in the Jurassic Era, when I was in school, a professor told the class about a young lady who said that she didn’t like to read Shakespeare because “he used too many cliches.” Well, guess what? They weren’t cliches when Shakespeare wrote them. He was the very first to mint those time-honored phrases, which we quote in everyday, mundane conversations.

–the character(s) do not seem to live or have lived or conceivably could live in any known or imaginable world. By that I mean, the story fails to present the character in a way that he or she is remotely human, or has human-like qualities. At least the character should have a name other than a vague pronoun. A human being thinks and “feels,” but also moves around and talks. If a piece that calls itself fiction is mostly a abstract rumination by an unnamed narrator, I stop reading. I’ll keep reading if there is some engaging dialogue from characters who conceivably could draw breath.

–if the author has wasted time telling us about a character’s genealogy, life history, and his physical characteristics, especially if that information has little or no direct or indirect bearing on the topic at hand. I’ll also stop reading if there are sentences telling the reader how the character comes to know a certain fact: “Gerald knew it was eleven o’clock because the mailman always arrives next door at eleven, unless he decided to stop for coffee first.”

–the story forgets to allow the reader some room to draw her own conclusion. It’s possible to “tell” too much in a short story. On the other hand, if the reader is scratching her head as to what the heck is going on in the story, the author hasn’t “shown” enough. The best stories strike a balance between exposition and ambiguity, hinting at what is about while allowing the reader to draw his or her own conclusions.

– the author has mislaid his sense of humor or takes his role way too seriously, having erected neon signs around his purple prose or drawn bullet points around his symbols or goes out of his way to let the world know that
he owns a thesaurus.

–the story ends with a moral. “If you want to send a message,” a Hollywood producer once said, “call Western Union.” These days we have IMs and emails. Messages and morals are for non-fiction articles and essays. The theme of the short story would optimally come through in a subtle though effective way.

– the author can’t extricate from the labyrinth of his plot without a cop-out ending, such as “it was all a dream.”

When an author manages to avoid these pitfalls, then the story is no nightmare, maybe even a pleasure to read.

DickZ
01-15-2009, 08:20 AM
What great advice, Auntie, and you've articulated it all so completely and so clearly.

kelby_lake
01-16-2009, 02:53 PM
I entirely agree, especially with the whole morals and messages. A person should just know the message without having to explain it.

NickAdams
01-21-2009, 01:31 AM
IN THE CITY OF NUDE YOURK A MAN BEEGOT A SUN NAMED POLK AND POLK BEEGOT DORK AND DORK BEEGOT "THE MAN" WHO WAS "THE BOI" WHEN HE WAS PHURST BEEGOTTING. "THE MAN" SPRAINED UP WON SONNY MOURNING TOO THE SINGING OF HIS WIFE WHOSE VOICE WAS LIKE AN ANGELIC BIRD WHO REMEMBERED THAT ONLY ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN AND BIRDS HAD TO USE THE FEATHERS ONLY RESTROOM AND SO THE BIRD RETURNED TO EARTH AND LODGED ITSELF INTO THE WIFES THROAT TO WHICH "THE MAN" YELLED, "QUITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".:lol:

When did you stop reading?



Back in the Jurassic Era, when I was in school, a professor told the class about a young lady who said that she didn’t like to read Shakespeare because “he used too many cliches.” Well, guess what? They weren’t cliches when Shakespeare wrote them. He was the very first to mint those time-honored phrases, which we quote in everyday, mundane conversations.
:lol:

AuntShecky
01-21-2009, 01:48 PM
Well, I read all of this because it was posted by Nick Adams. Anyone else, no, because it was in ALL CAPS.

And by the bye, I think your screen names is from Papa
Hemingway, but do you remember or maybe heard of the
TV show "The Rebel"? Undoubtedly before your time. Nick Adams was the actor, whose life ended, I'm told,
tragically and needlessly.

NickAdams
01-21-2009, 10:55 PM
Well, I read all of this because it was posted by Nick Adams. Anyone else, no, because it was in ALL CAPS.

And by the bye, I think your screen names is from Papa
Hemingway, but do you remember or maybe heard of the
TV show "The Rebel"? Undoubtedly before your time. Nick Adams was the actor, whose life ended, I'm told,
tragically and needlessly.

I didn't know my avatar had so much clout.:D
I also used no punctuation, included cliches, a minor genealogy and misused the majority of the words.;)
I did name myself after the Hemingway alter ego and this is the first I'm hearing about the author. The circumstances of his death are similar to Heath Ledgers.

Klope3
01-24-2009, 07:49 PM
– the author has mislaid his sense of humor or takes his role way too seriously, having erected neon signs around his purple prose or drawn bullet points around his symbols or goes out of his way to let the world know that he owns a thesaurus.

Thanks for putting my long-held opinion into such fitting words. I can appreciate descriptive and engaging vocabulary, but when a writer starts distracting me from the main theme of their writing by overusing their fancy five- to six-syllable descriptors, I usually get exasperated and stop reading.

Mutatis-Mutandis
03-19-2011, 06:56 PM
– the author can’t extricate from the labyrinth of his plot without a cop-out ending, such as “it was all a dream.”


Can someone tell Hollywood to stop doing this?

mona amon
03-19-2011, 11:44 PM
IN THE CITY OF NUDE YOURK A MAN BEEGOT A SUN NAMED POLK AND POLK BEEGOT DORK AND DORK BEEGOT "THE MAN" WHO WAS "THE BOI" WHEN HE WAS PHURST BEEGOTTING. "THE MAN" SPRAINED UP WON SONNY MOURNING TOO THE SINGING OF HIS WIFE WHOSE VOICE WAS LIKE AN ANGELIC BIRD WHO REMEMBERED THAT ONLY ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN AND BIRDS HAD TO USE THE FEATHERS ONLY RESTROOM AND SO THE BIRD RETURNED TO EARTH AND LODGED ITSELF INTO THE WIFES THROAT TO WHICH "THE MAN" YELLED, "QUITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".:lol:

When did you stop reading?


:lol:

I want more, LOL!

clothbottom1
03-24-2011, 07:34 AM
Great advice on writing Short stories. Thanks

brandygang
04-01-2011, 12:33 PM
I generally agree with all of this, it's great advice! The only thing I disagree with is that the character has to talk, or have a name even. There are countless ways to characterize a character without dialogue, believe it or not. Not only that, you're giving a different perspective on the character when you interpret them through other characters because some sort of chemistry is bound to occur.

In one of my stories, the main character isn't named nor does she ever speak. But you know her purely through her actions ascending a passage way and all her interactions with the environment.

Delta40
04-01-2011, 05:15 PM
Some sensible stuff here. I still struggle with the 'show don't tell' part or should I say that I am a reporter, which often economizes aspects of my literary ability? (lol)

AuntShecky
04-01-2011, 05:52 PM
Some sensible stuff here. I still struggle with the 'show don't tell' part or should I say that I am a reporter, which often economizes aspects of my literary ability? (lol)

I 'splained (or attempted to) "show not tell" at length in a thread which I eventually had to ask the Moderator to close because somehow my well-intended, totally innocuous opinions sparked all kinds of online heckling. But if you're brave enough to take a look, here's the link

http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60051

Delta40
04-01-2011, 05:55 PM
I did read it thanks Aunty and I do admire your vigilance in good writing. Unfortunately, I fail terribly at serious discussion on lit-net.

Trollzane
04-03-2011, 06:38 PM
agreed 110%

zoolane
04-15-2011, 04:27 PM
Not sure if I manage any of the advice but try as I will.

AuntShecky
04-16-2011, 05:36 PM
Not sure if I manage any of the advice but try as I will.

That's all any of us can do, my dear. If you need help, please don't hesitate to ask. You're among friends here.


The only thing I disagree with is that the character has to talk, or have a name even. .


None of the characters have names in "Cruel and Barbarous Treatment" by Mary McCarthy, and it's an excellent story.Still, few of us have reached Mary McCarthy's level as yet, and far be it from me to make that claim. Still, a recent piece o' fiction by yours fooly doesn't identify the two characters by their proper names either but refers to them by generic nouns.

When I wrote this so-called advice way back when I guess I was fed-up with stories beginning with an amorphous "she" or "he," pronouns without an antecedent. Of course, when other characters enter the fray, confusion ensues as to who is who.

zoolane
04-16-2011, 05:44 PM
Thank you far as I am aware have greatly improve in most area with my writing from when I join but as always here always room for more improvement.

I only stop reading if I find hard to follow or understand and if to longer boring. I do come to long peices because usual ways have time at percise moment.

Delta40
04-16-2011, 06:48 PM
I stop reading poetry with stanza breaks between each line. I find it rather annoying.

AuntShecky
04-17-2011, 05:05 PM
I stop reading poetry with stanza breaks between each line. I find it rather annoying.

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean, unless you're referring to the way some newspapers quote poetry with an annoying backslash to indicate the line break. For instance, for these:

Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.

the newspaper might retain its column lines by writing it like this: "Whose woods these are I think I know./His house is in the village though;/" and so on.

If you mean the breaks between stanzas, that's dictated by the specific form of the poem itself, such as in a rondeau, for instance this one by Austin Dobson:


YOU bid me try, blue-eyes, to write
A Rondeau. What! -- forthwith? -- tonight?
Reflect. Some skill I have, 'tis true;
But thirteen lines! -- and rimed on two!
"Refrain" as well. Ah, Hapless plight!

Still, there are five lines -- ranged aright.
These Gallic bonds, I feared, would fright
My easy Muse. They did, till you --
You bid me try!

That makes them eight. The port's in sight --
'Tis all because your eyes are bright!
Now just a pair to end in "oo" --
When maids command, what can't we do?
Behold! -- the rondeau, tasteful, light,
You bid me try!

Delta40
04-17-2011, 05:09 PM
I didn't make myself clear

when I wrote what I did.

I mean when poems are

presented like this, then

I have no wish to read them.

Vlad Dracula
04-21-2011, 12:52 PM
Some advices to consider!:) But every man has his style, isn't it?

zoolane
05-16-2011, 04:54 PM
[QUOTE=brandygang;1021292]I generally agree with all of this, it's great advice! The only thing I disagree with is that the character has to talk, or have a name even. There are countless ways to characterize a character without dialog, believe it or not. Not only that, you're giving a different perspective on the character when you interpret them through other characters because some sort of chemistry is bound to occur.
QUOTE]

Personal I think story or piece writing do not need names of characters, there always and development of the characters with dialog or with out and the name them as alway work well of the story or piece. But then again it can help bring character or story to life in way capture the reader.

TheChilly
05-22-2011, 07:35 PM
One will possibly stop reading a short story if the overall portrait of it comes off as pretentious or trying way too hard to be 'smart' and 'ambitious' and 'witty'. Oh, and if the dialogue from characters basically explains the whole story without any emotion whatsoever.

And yes, I've seen short stories that have violated that dialogue thing. Scratched my head, or marked things on it and wrote a scathing critique on it.

L€lä RËmØ MÅðçÂ
05-22-2011, 08:24 PM
Great things! True, even though I don't write short stories.

L€lä RËmØ MÅðçÂ
05-22-2011, 08:25 PM
I didn't make myself clear

when I wrote what I did.

I mean when poems are

presented like this, then

I have no wish to read them.

That actually makes sense!

virgo27
06-01-2011, 05:58 PM
Sounds like good advice from an editor!!!!!!

cyberbob
12-01-2011, 08:27 PM
I don't like hard-and-fast rules for writing. That's not how art works.

Would you have stopped reading McCarthy's The Road if the manuscript were on your desk just because the characters don't have names? (unless you cant Man and Boy as names)

Stuff like this is why so many great works famously got rejected a bunch of times before getting published.

hillwalker
12-02-2011, 06:50 AM
Art isn't just about sticking to rules or breaking them. Art stands or falls on other merits. But sloppy, badly written prose will never be acceptable whether or not the writer believes he/she is stretching the rules.

'Ulysses' and 'The Sound and the Fury' broke every rule in the book but they are classics because the basic rules of what makes good writing still apply. A lot of aspiring experimental writers who consider themselves 'out there' or 'outside the box' discard rules as the first step to creating their masterpiece. But it takes ability to know how and when to juggle the rules and making rule-breaking the basis for anything is rather naive.

H

Jack of Hearts
12-03-2011, 08:23 PM
It's not controversial for this reader. Up to a certain point, these words are like light along a dark path through strange terrain. Liberation seems to come from knowing these things first and then making a leap of faith after, whether or not it makes sense or breaks rules.

This shouldn't threaten anyone. These tips could really help people get past a certain point in their development.

Just this reader's two cents.






J

xtianfriborg13
11-29-2012, 01:11 AM
I just stop reading when I get bored with whatever I'm reading. I think that's all. :)