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Zee.
01-04-2009, 04:06 PM
I think there is a general belief that one faith is correct, and one faith only. I personally believe that religion can coincide in the afterlife. Let me explain,

Of course, today, the existance and practice of religion exists. We are free to believe what we wish, and we do. But there seems to be a general feeling amongst all religious beliefs and people, that their beliefs are the only religious truths and that when we did, we all go or reach some level that is true to one and only one religion.

Perhaps when we do die, we "go"/reach a state/ that is dependant on our own beliefs. I'll use the christian faith for example - which talks of hell. Am i in a state of "christian" hell when i die because i dont accept that faith, but i am in a state of peace, enlightenment, whatever it may be, in another religion? and vice versa?

Sort of unclear, extremely tired, but i think you can make out my point.

Redzeppelin
01-04-2009, 10:06 PM
Here's the problem: most religions are mutually exclusive - meaning: they all claim to possess the "truth and they make claims that often contradict each other. As such, one of two possibilities exist: either all are wrong, or one is right - but two can't be right if they make contradictory claims about who God is and the nature of His universe.

skasian
01-05-2009, 09:32 AM
Here's the problem: most religions are mutually exclusive - meaning: they all claim to possess the "truth and they make claims that often contradict each other. As such, one of two possibilities exist: either all are wrong, or one is right - but two can't be right if they make contradictory claims about who God is and the nature of His universe.

True. That is exactly the reason why there are sparate religions dedicating to contrasting gods. Each and every one of them have separate fits of values that followers believe in. Because of these reasons, limajean, you cant go around people and accuse them for saying what seems like "facts" when to them their belief is like fact, whereas other religious person may not believe it as a fact.
These religious threads are to smooth out these contrasting views, and rather disagreeing that their belief are fact while others are not, we understand each others differences and appreciate what other people around the world believe in that may be heavily contrasting.

blazeofglory
03-03-2009, 10:38 AM
Religious faiths lead to conflict if we misunderstand them.

In point of fact there are good points in religions, but at times religious believers while asserting their beliefs are likely to antagonize others.

We must learn to respect others' religions as long as they do not act as a mean of fundamentalism.

oopsycandy
03-03-2009, 12:32 PM
I would much rather respect you as a human being and agree with your right to follow any faith or religion.

I would however always disagree with others who preach their religion to me or choose to tell me that how I live, think and interact with the world is wrong according to their religion.

Like any set of beliefs religious ones should be open to discussion, and I do not have to respect any belief any other person holds if I believe it to be false.

Mathor
03-03-2009, 01:38 PM
i believe that just as one person believes they are right and believe different than me it's very possible that they are right and i am wrong. This is why one should stay openminded. I think all religious people pray to their individual gods, and they feel the "spirit" fill them up, i believe everyone is feeling the same thing, be it god or be it something else. To say that an Islamic person is lying when they say the feel God or a Christian person is lying when they say God is closeminded. Every religion feels something and if they don't coexist together it must all be the same thing, but one person is right. And we won't know till we're dead if we're right or not. That's where faith comes in.

NikolaiI
03-03-2009, 02:10 PM
I agree with Lima; the coexistence is necessary for all. Also, I believe in the goal of the elimination of suffering, and the reaching of enlightenment for all.

Wintermute
03-03-2009, 02:24 PM
Sort of unclear, extremely tired, but i think you can make out my point.

Hi Limajean,

Yes, I understand your point and I kind of agree. The common thread among most of the religions I'm familliar with is the golden rule--basically treat others with respect and compassion. I'm fairly convinced that this is the only path to true, deep down happiness. I kind of think that if one has managed to have a fairly happy life then one will likely die happy. Because death is the only thing I can perceive as eternal, then dying happy would be the definition of heaven. Conversely, a greedy, self-centered individual will not be deep down happy--they may be wealthy but I feel like they can't be truely happy if they've treated others with disdain or indifference. So they will die unhappy which may be what many of our holy texts define as hell.

As always, being agnostic, I could be completely wrong and may end up rotting in a vat of burning sewage deep inside the bowels of the planet.

Peace to you,
Doug

blazeofglory
03-09-2009, 11:05 PM
Faiths, creeds, religiosity create divisions. When we have an attitude or feeling of divisiveness we will be away from truth or enlightenment in point of fact.

Why should we have faiths, creating divisions, fractions, fragments.

After all we are rooted to the earth, and the earth and the rest of planets, stars all are rooted to the universe and any differences, any distances are illusive or kind of optical illusions.

Let us feel unified, integrated forging smallness, pettiness to embrace all realities.

Shield&Sword
03-10-2009, 09:04 AM
Even people who "doesnt believe" are not much different from those who believe, simply they behave exactly like people who believe. To it clear, according to atheists if people are all atheists then there wont be any conflicts, same thing according to christians if people all are christians then there wont be any conflicts, same thing according to a muslim and so on for all.
This is life and it is the way it goes, talking about canceling religions or making all people follow my religion is a waste of time.
People are all different, some of them like to share their beliefs and discuss it , so they simply can sit and talk as long as they respect each other. Other people dont like to talk about their beliefs or to be preached so i think we shouldnt bother them and should leave them alone.
On this earth people feel and belief even those who refuse God are believers of somthing, we are not like ants each one is equal with other (equal in beliefs).
Problem will be solved not when we cancel a human nature (which is believing) but when we educate human thoughts (accepting diversity). The problem is solved when we accept differences, and know how to share and discuss. Allah says in quran 16.125: Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

blazeofglory
03-10-2009, 09:59 PM
The title the peaceful existence of all is really a good subject to discuss. Today in point of fact we do not understand this virtue at all. Today I see divisions, fragmentations, racialist ideas, fanaticism on the grow, Economics has been hijacked by the clever and the powerful few. Religions have been used as tools for terrorism, exploitations and political ideas are used to rule over the weak.

We all are in darkness and do not know the way, the rescue or the salvage in point of fact.

We are running after greed, covetousness, envy and the like. We have plundered rocks, dried up seas and polluted the air, emptied mines and rendered this once beautiful planet a useless and ecologically degraded place to live in.

I think there must be a complete reversal of ideas. The title sounds really absorbing and it seems there is a source of hope and but how to come at it is a great question.