Not believing in the God or Gods you recommend

[blazeofglory]

I am not an atheist, and having said that I am not a theist in the manner you are, with your God or Gods that are in battle with humanity. I know it spurs more violence and terrorist activities globally. Gods, ideologies, beliefs are in clash now. And still if we recommend that God me I can not buy into your ideas of relying on the God that is smeared with blood and mired in terrorism. Better without such a God. And a state of Godlessness? Is it synonymous with pandemonium? I have no idea at all. I for one feel that God must be an embodiment of the best values, the values all of us universally cherish, and it must be clean of impurities.. If you convince me of a God that is clean of ideological stenches, and impudicity then I may turn to your God and may engage myself in prayer. Or else I am suspicious of your God or Gods

[Delta40]

Hi blazeofglory

Can you forgive my lack of learning but that aside I am still very interested in what you have written. Do you think a state of Godlessness is similar say to Hobbes Leviathan. I am asking you because I would like to get a better understanding.

[skasian]

God does not in any way spur violence and terrorism in our world. He is not responsible for the sufferings or any kind of pain in this world. We are. It's mankind that loses fight with temptation and end up committing sinful actions. Poverty? War? It is mankind’s selfishness, obstinacy and power hungriness that created famine and destruction. We are the factor for the downfall of peace in this world.
Therefore, we cannot ever consider that God is responsible for any damage done by us in our world. He is a truly a pure being beyond comprehension. We cannot understand Him and never will. That is why He is our God, He is just immeasurable. His glory and power will crush our spirits as He is just far too Great for us. I know how people desire to understand God in order to have belief in him but that is an impossible route to reach towards Him. The only way into having belief in Jesus Christ is asking Him to open your heart so that he may move you, and this can be only done if you truly open yourself spiritually. There is no doubt that He will ever turn you down because He loves you as you are His children and He patiently waits for you to let Him into your life.

[JBI]

If it is mankind who is responsible for the bad, why can we not take credit for the good. Assuming you answer in the affirmative, what use of God? Either way, the things the Biblical god commanded were hardly good, and if committed today would go down as crimes against humanity. But yeah, only men are bad.

[NikolaiI]

Our relationship with God strengthens our ability to do good. Our distance from God strengthens our ability to do bad. Our ability to care for one another is strengthens when we see the face of God in those who are suffering. All too often, our inability to see the face of God incarnate in the suffering of others results in evil.

[skasian]

If it is mankind who is responsible for the bad, why can we not take credit for the good. Assuming you answer in the affirmative, what use of God? Either way, the things the Biblical god commanded were hardly good, and if committed today would go down as crimes against humanity. But yeah, only men are bad.

Let me rephrase my point - Mankind is born neutral, capable to do most righteous things but also the most unspeakable evil. It is our responsibility to choose to be right or wrong, and we are influenced either by God or satan. If we stand by God by doing His Will, then we do good things. If we stand by satan by falling into his temptations, then we do bad things. Just as NikolaiI said "our relationship with God strengthens our ability to do good", He helps us to avoid falling into temptations, therefore avoid us to commit anything from violence to terrorism. It is our responsibility to be good or evil however it is God that helps us prevent to be evil.

[blazeofglory]

Let me rephrase my point - Mankind is born neutral, capable to do most righteous things but also the most unspeakable evil. It is our responsibility to choose to be right or wrong, and we are influenced either by God or satan. If we stand by God by doing His Will, then we do good things. If we stand by satan by falling into his temptations, then we do bad things. Just as NikolaiI said "our relationship with God strengthens our ability to do good", He helps us to avoid falling into temptations, therefore avoid us to commit anything from violence to terrorism. It is our responsibility to be good or evil however it is God that helps us prevent to be evil.

I understand you and of course your ignorance as well. You are right from a prismatic lens to see something good but you need a third eye, and this third eye can see wisdom.

All of us in fact know and some of us pretend to be ignorant about the fact that this world has been ransacked by things pivoting around God. Okay if you beleive in a God and worship it individually but when you look at it from a political or racial or communal or religious standpoint all you see is simply acts of violence, and shedding blood.

Do not we have acts of terrorism or violence to document this historical truth. How do you take Hitler and his rampant and raging activities to shore up his ideologies and his God. All of us have a little of Hitler, and a little of any other terrorists, and we repress them.

Politicization of God or religion births terrorists and those who indoctrinate this ideology spurs acts of violence.

Today if we idolize such Gods imagine what we will offer to posterity?

Let us discover a God that is bereft of politics, fundamentalism and fanaticism.

But you are conditioned or your mind has the software that endorses mythological Gods.

You go round and round seeking your ideal mythological God in vain and at times you get enraged and indulge in acts that are unthinkable.

Now tell me, shall I subscribe to such a God?

[skasian]

I understand you and of course your ignorance as well. You are right from a prismatic lens to see something good but you need a third eye, and this third eye can see wisdom.

When approaching God, we dont need wisdom as our wisdom amounts to nothing in comparison to His. All your insignificant wisdom takes you is opposing, questioning God. Mankind's wisdom doesnt stand any chance at all against God.


All of us in fact know and some of us pretend to be ignorant about the fact that this world has been ransacked by things pivoting around God. Okay if you beleive in a God and worship it individually but when you look at it from a political or racial or communal or religious standpoint all you see is simply acts of violence, and shedding blood.

Never being ignorant that such havoc occuring in the world have always been pivoting around God, I have always acknowledged that every single historic event, either good or bad, have been occuring right in front of God's eyes. In any perspective, whether its in God's eyes, believer's eyes, political/racial eyes, no one sees the current world's deteriorating state as just "simple acts of violence and shedding blood." Only one that is intellectually incompetent will consider this. Violence and terrorism doesnt happen out of nothing. There are always reasons. Reason that mankind is falling deeper into temptations of the devil and the shrinking love for God.


Do not we have acts of terrorism or violence to document this historical truth. How do you take Hitler and his rampant and raging activities to shore up his ideologies and his God. All of us have a little of Hitler, and a little of any other terrorists, and we repress them.

Politicization of God or religion births terrorists and those who indoctrinate this ideology spurs acts of violence.

Today if we idolize such Gods imagine what we will offer to posterity?

Let us discover a God that is bereft of politics, fundamentalism and fanaticism.

But you are conditioned or your mind has the software that endorses mythological Gods.

You go round and round seeking your ideal mythological God in vain and at times you get enraged and indulge in acts that are unthinkable.

Now tell me, shall I subscribe to such a God?


Hitler was a madman from hell that believed wrongly in his religion. He might of had claimed he was a devoted believer however he was not a true devoted follower, therefore whatever his god he worshipped is not God. I predict that you will remark that who is the real God, which is simple, the most pure, most holy God that hates violence or any name of evil.

Please, do not remark that my mind is brainwashed or any kind, the only reason why I do believe God is our God is because there are every inch of reasons to believe so. It is not all thoughts that convince me to believe in God, my spiritual encounter or connection with God is what makes me know that God is with me. It is spiritual encounters that most non religious reject with skepticism. It is spiritual encounters that catapults me to seek God and love Him so every day. Its these spiritual connections that makes me shake the ground with my fists for I wish you to experience God's love for you.

It is true us Christians are sometimes seeking God in vain when sometimes we hide away from Him in shame or anger. What do you think? We are human. We still do inexplicable acts no different to the non believers. But as God is in our lives, we stop a minute to think whether to proceed with the evil doings and in contrast, God pushes us to do good deeds.

Politics, fundamentalism? Made by mankind, no different from science and literature etc. God comes in when moral is involved. If its for good reasons then God pushes the ones that make the effort to make the world a better place.

So, why dont you subscribe to God then? Try, using your so called third eye to make an effort to point out there is no God.