PierreGringoire
12-16-2008, 01:51 AM
If I were to discredit Bible based religions I would have to start with the Bible obviously. I believe I can discredit it a great deal. I would gladly elaborate on how much of the Old Testament is a derivative of the Mesopotamian religion which the Sumerians practiced before the Israelites even had a relgion.
Then, I would talk about the Council of Nicea in 400 CE. Which banned certain books from the Bible in order to make Christianity more appealing for the declaration that Christianity was the official religion of the Empire.
Next, I would explain why the Middle East needed a national identity. Historically before the coming of the Prophet Muhammed in 650 CE, they had been pushed around by whatever empire occupied the region, and needed a solid unifying religon. Isllam provided that.
I couldn't forget to mention the 4th lateran council called into session in the 13th century by Pope Innocent III. Which I would highly urge you to wikipedia if nothing else. Here is where Christianity first got its notion of transubstantiation (the wine transforming into blood). And many other silly (I need to use this word in order for emphasis, I greatly apologize if anyone here is offended) technicalities. You must be aware that Innocent III was a mad man and was in desperate straits to sustain the power of the church. If he presided over the fourth lateran council doesn't that greatly detract from anything that was decided therein?
I could go into even more detail. But I don't know if it calls for it.
I brought this to your attention because I just thought I'd provide a historical backbone to the argument about the validity of Bible-based religions.
This was posted in another thread. There were no reactions. I made a new one becasue I'd be interested to read some of your reactions and feelings about this. If you have historical proof pro - religion or anti - religion that would be very helpful to my personal enlightenment. As well as anyone else who reads this thread.
As I said before, I don't mind doing more research into any one of these councils/subjecst if it calls for it. If anyone wants for instance a "closer look" about what the 4th Lateran council was all about I'll have to do a Christmas break assignment:( and come up with as much material as possible in order to arrive at an intelligent conclusion.
I'm Agnostic/Deist by the way. That leans Deist.:lol:
Then, I would talk about the Council of Nicea in 400 CE. Which banned certain books from the Bible in order to make Christianity more appealing for the declaration that Christianity was the official religion of the Empire.
Next, I would explain why the Middle East needed a national identity. Historically before the coming of the Prophet Muhammed in 650 CE, they had been pushed around by whatever empire occupied the region, and needed a solid unifying religon. Isllam provided that.
I couldn't forget to mention the 4th lateran council called into session in the 13th century by Pope Innocent III. Which I would highly urge you to wikipedia if nothing else. Here is where Christianity first got its notion of transubstantiation (the wine transforming into blood). And many other silly (I need to use this word in order for emphasis, I greatly apologize if anyone here is offended) technicalities. You must be aware that Innocent III was a mad man and was in desperate straits to sustain the power of the church. If he presided over the fourth lateran council doesn't that greatly detract from anything that was decided therein?
I could go into even more detail. But I don't know if it calls for it.
I brought this to your attention because I just thought I'd provide a historical backbone to the argument about the validity of Bible-based religions.
This was posted in another thread. There were no reactions. I made a new one becasue I'd be interested to read some of your reactions and feelings about this. If you have historical proof pro - religion or anti - religion that would be very helpful to my personal enlightenment. As well as anyone else who reads this thread.
As I said before, I don't mind doing more research into any one of these councils/subjecst if it calls for it. If anyone wants for instance a "closer look" about what the 4th Lateran council was all about I'll have to do a Christmas break assignment:( and come up with as much material as possible in order to arrive at an intelligent conclusion.
I'm Agnostic/Deist by the way. That leans Deist.:lol: