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mea505
11-21-2008, 10:00 AM
Chapter Three opens up with Raskolnikov in his room; he is visited by Natasya (A servant in the household, where Raskolnikov rents his so-called "closet"; she is the one who brings Raskolnikov food and drinks and also helps care for him following the murders, while Raskolnikov is dealing with his own "internal punishment" for the crimes he commited -- the two murders); she awakens him (he is usually found by her, sleeping), and brings him soup, tea, as well as a letter from his mother, Pulcheria Alexandrovna.

Natasya is the one who informs Raskolnikov of the landlady's intentions of evicting him -- as he is now almost four months behind with his rent.

In the letter, his mother informs Raskolnikov that his sister (Dunya), who works as a maid, is trying to raise money to help support him. However, the letter also informs Raskolnikov that his sister's employer (Svidrigailov) has recently made "improper adances" toward his sister (therefore, ruining her reputation in the town).

According to the letter, Dunya has recently accepted a proposal for marriage to Pyotr Petrovich Luzhin (he wants to marry her because she is poor and this will help regard him as her savior). At first, Dunya was not sure about the marriage, but after thinking about it for a little while, she has agreed to go along with the marriage. The point of the letter, however, is that because of the pending marriage to Luzhin, Dunya will be able to assist Raskolnikov is the furthering of his own career; the letter also states that all three of them (his mother, his sister as well as the fiance), will shortly be arriving in St. Petersburg.

Following reading the letter, Raskolnikov goes for a walk in the city, and appears as if he is drunk, with a stupor.

Question: How is Raskolnikov's pride explored in this chapter? Is it true that his mother and sister are willing to make sacrifices for him? What does this do for his pride?

Question: It is assumed that Raskolnikov thinks that both his mother and his sister are making these sacrifices just for him, and him alone; however, does he ever consider the fact that they might be making these sacrifices for themselves? What about the marriage to Luzhin? Isn't that a sacrifice that Dunya makes on her own, for the betterment of her own career, or at least her own social standing in the community?

Note: These questions should be addressed by others. I am merely presenting them as a means to help us all further understand each chapter as we proceed with this "discussion" and dissection of the novel. Please feel free to address the questions as they are presented, and please make your statements known in this same thread.

Too Many Pronouns: One of the chief reasons why this novel is sometimes difficult to follow and understand is essentially due to too many pronouns in the text. For a prime example, I offer the following sentence, which can be found in Part II, Chapter II:
==>Meanwhile, Raskolnikov, who turned a little towards him when he answered, and began suddenly staring at him again with marked curiosity, as though he had not yet had a good look at him yet, or as though something new had struck him; he rose from his pillow on purpose to stare at him.
==>There are "too many pronouns" in the above sentence and it makes it very difficult to follow through and effectively understand "who he is," or to whom "him" is referring. It takes a lot of time and patience to read the text, remembering the nouns and pronouns in the preceeding sentences in order to understand who is doing the action and to whom the action is being done!

mea505
11-21-2008, 11:04 AM
In an attempt to further understand some of these novels, such as "Crime and Punishment," I have found that reading additional resources to understand the "culture and history" of Russia greatly benefits me when reading the novels, particularly those by Dostoevsky. For example, the following two books (both academic) are of use to me:
1. Natasha's Dance: A Cultural History of Russia, authored by Orlando Figes, and
2. Russia, authored by Phillip Longfellow

There are bound to be others as well, I am sure. :yawnb:

Gladys
11-22-2008, 02:14 AM
Raskolnikov's mother and sister seem prepared to make breathtaking sacrifices for him. Dunya is like Raskolnikov in that her emotions and motives are radical and strange. He has inordinate pride but seems vindicated later in his harsh judgement of Luzhin.

Too Many Pronouns? So does the King James Bible.

mea505
11-22-2008, 01:49 PM
Excellent observation.

Perhaps I worded it incorrectly. The novel has too many "misplaced" pronouns.

mea505

Dori
11-23-2008, 10:17 PM
Question: How is Raskolnikov's pride explored in this chapter? Is it true that his mother and sister are willing to make sacrifices for him? What does this do for his pride?

Yes, his mother and especially his sister are willing to sacrifice for him. This insults him. To think that someone would sacrifice for him is an unbearable thought to Raskolnikov, I think.


Question: It is assumed that Raskolnikov thinks that both his mother and his sister are making these sacrifices just for him, and him alone; however, does he ever consider the fact that they might be making these sacrifices for themselves? What about the marriage to Luzhin? Isn't that a sacrifice that Dunya makes on her own, for the betterment of her own career, or at least her own social standing in the community?

Perhaps they are sacrificing for more than Rodia, but I doubt the thought ever crossed his mind.

Interestingly enough, the name Luizin, derived from the Russian luzha, means "puddle." Just thought I might point that out.

bazarov
11-24-2008, 04:57 PM
Question: How is Raskolnikov's pride explored in this chapter? Is it true that his mother and sister are willing to make sacrifices for him? What does this do for his pride?

How should every male feel knowing his mother and sister are taking care for him ? Feeling like s h i t, sorry on expression!


Question: It is assumed that Raskolnikov thinks that both his mother and his sister are making these sacrifices just for him, and him alone; however, does he ever consider the fact that they might be making these sacrifices for themselves? What about the marriage to Luzhin? Isn't that a sacrifice that Dunya makes on her own, for the betterment of her own career, or at least her own social standing in the community?


You don't make sacrifice for yourself, you like it. You sacrifice for others. Dunya doesn't have a career, she will be housekeeper to man she doesn't like. It's a torture for her, but she will do it for Rodya, and normally, he feels bad for that. Dunya, like her brother, doesn't care too much for social standing or materialism.

Dori
11-24-2008, 05:18 PM
How should every male feel knowing his mother and sister are taking care for him ? Feeling like s h i t, sorry on expression!

Haha, quite true!

mea505
12-01-2008, 11:17 PM
I am so happy with the level of involvement with this novel!