Ministry of Love?

[slimjohnny14]

What are your personal opinions on the Ministry of Love? Why is it called the Ministry of Love:sick:

[bluelala]

i dont know what is this

[slimjohnny14]

The ministry of love is called that not because they are loving, its where they torture people to love big brother, the party and in a way brainwash them to agree with their methods.
:p

[The Atheist]

What are your personal opinions on the Ministry of Love? Why is it called the Ministry of Love:sick:

Orwell explains it all in the book - it's use of Doublethink.

While it is esentially a Ministry of Torture, people leaving the MoL do so once they've learned to love Big Brother.

[Enjoi.]

It's almost ironic. Entitled with the word love yet no love is given. Though you walk away loving one thing/person. Big Brother.

[skisurfer11]

Before room 101 why is Winston taken out of the holding cell to be beaten?

[The Atheist]

Before room 101 why is Winston taken out of the holding cell to be beaten?

Soften him up. Make him think that the torture is the worst that can happen to him. This makes the destruction of his mind in Room 101 even more complete.

[Enjoi.]

He has to experience all aspects of the torture. I agree with The Atheist, also it might have been for O'Briens own sick pleasure. :lol:

[lukgem]

all government agencies held the opposite name to what they really carried out.orwell exlains this in the book near the start i think,love-hate,plenty-poverty,truth-falsehood,etc,etc,etc.

[The Atheist]

all government agencies held the opposite name to what they really carried out.orwell exlains this in the book near the start i think,love-hate,plenty-poverty,truth-falsehood,etc,etc,etc.

Yes, but it's also as if the names have a triple meaning - within the hate we find the love, behind the Doublethink, the truth. These aspects are brought to the fore in Goldsteins book, and it all looks entirely different depending which side of the building you look at it from.

For Inner Party members, the names are right, without even needing Doublethink

[lukgem]

1984 gives us so much to think about,i think i could spend the rest of my days mulling over the complexities of one book!what an achievement.

[bazarov]

1984 gives us so much to think about...
Understanding of 1984 gives us so much to think about...

[The Atheist]

1984 gives us so much to think about,i think i could spend the rest of my days mulling over the complexities of one book!what an achievement.

That's so true it almost becomes a problem in some ways.

I keep seeing bits of it being used by gibbering idiots in support of some lunatic conspiracy theory because it's almost like the bible - you can take parts of it out of context and make them say whatever you want to.

Maybe we should posthumously change Mr Blair's name again; this time Nostradorwell?

:D

[Enjoi.]

I like that and Orwell is a bit of a prophet, yet he was cautioning us in 1984 not predicting the future. Appropriate names?

[bazarov]

Maybe Orwell found some Nostradamus's lost works, and then wrote a book?

[The Atheist]

Maybe Orwell found some Nostradamus's lost works, and then wrote a book?

:lol:

(Have you ever tried reading any of that tripe?)

[bazarov]

Are you serious?

[The Atheist]

Are you serious?

:lol::lol:

No.

I once tried to read two or three quatrains.

You'd do better to try to decipher cooking recipes from the Shang Dynasty.

[bazarov]

And people are worrying about that...:lol:

[tbccvbtfhc]

What are your personal opinions on the Ministry of Love? Why is it called the Ministry of Love:sick:

Is it called the minstry of love because when somebody is sent there they are tortured until they love big brother?

[The Atheist]

Is it called the minstry of love because when somebody is sent there they are tortured until they love big brother?

That's not how it would be put to Party members, but it's not far wrong. Also, put it in context of Goldstein's Book.

[Sus001]

I looked at it as saying one thing and doing another. Always a good idea to look behind the curtain. Great book I haven't read it in a while.

[skisurfer11]

I look at the Minestry of Love as complete irony to anyone that isnt a inner party member. To the inner party the Ministry of Love is where traitors are taken to be torcherd or brainwashed untill they understand that the party can control the past, present and the future. They also have to love big brother and have no negitive thoughts tword him or the party. I do have a question though. Even though they don't shoot Winstion why would they go through all the trouble of having to force traitors to love big brother when they will just shoot them anyways?

[The Atheist]

Even though they don't shoot Winstion why would they go through all the trouble of having to force traitors to love big brother when they will just shoot them anyways?

Perfection. It's important - ideologically - to keep the Party 100% pure. That's only achievable by never having any dissenters, and as there are no dissenters, it works perfectly.

[Sus001]

Balance through imbalance. If there is no dissension life will go along smoothly without change. Maintaining the current system that is big brother. I'm going to have to go back and read that book again.

[lukgem]

Hey sus001!
Take heed and warning, if you do decide to read 1984 again be prepared to just almost continually think about the so many diffferent positions and inerpretations that can be taken from it, its frustrating to walk into a library but be drawn to one book reading it, reading parts of it again, seeing them differently,thinking about it some more. And giving scant regard for the other leatherbound volumes of work it contains (the library), so much knowledge yet i am drawn to one book! Its like an opiate you just cannot resist.:)

And yes for a dissident to die still with his own beliefs was a victory for the dissenter and defeat for ingsoc, this they had discovered this had been the downfall of previous attempts at dictatorship, and is explained in full in Goldsteins book.

[Enjoi.]

Maybe Orwell found some Nostradamus's lost works, and then wrote a book?

That would have been funny. Orwell's "mentor" Nostradamus. :D

[Enjoi.]

I look at the Minestry of Love as complete irony to anyone that isnt a inner party member. To the inner party the Ministry of Love is where traitors are taken to be torcherd or brainwashed untill they understand that the party can control the past, present and the future. They also have to love big brother and have no negitive thoughts tword him or the party. I do have a question though. Even though they don't shoot Winstion why would they go through all the trouble of having to force traitors to love big brother when they will just shoot them anyways?

They make sure he believes everything. That way there is no hate, no bad thought lives on. They need to die "sane" and perfect in the Party's eye.

[Enjoi.]

Perfection. It's important - ideologically - to keep the Party 100% pure. That's only achievable by never having any dissenters, and as there are no dissenters, it works perfectly.

Completely agree.


Hey sus001!
Take heed and warning, if you do decide to read 1984 again be prepared to just almost continually think about the so many diffferent positions and inerpretations that can be taken from it, its frustrating to walk into a library but be drawn to one book reading it, reading parts of it again, seeing them differently,thinking about it some more. And giving scant regard for the other leatherbound volumes of work it contains (the library), so much knowledge yet i am drawn to one book! Its like an opiate you just cannot resist.

Im starting to evluate all the books i read now. :lol:
It gets addicting. Currently i am reading Coming Up For Air another Orwellian work. Once again, each page and each sentence is looked at differently.

[lukgem]

Yes Enjoi i agree, i think you will really enjoy coming up for air. To me and i do not know if you will agree, that it is more relevant today than when it was written. Orwell seemed to never write a word he did not need and almost seemed to think about the gravity of everyword he wrote, to me this gives his books a rythym thats really natural.

[Enjoi.]

There are no utopias with Orwell. He writes how the world is and what you get is what you see. He is truly a "real life" kind of writer. :D

[fajitaeater1]

I belive most of orwell's prodiction's in 1924 are true or close to what actualy happend. The government as he prodicts it will control every thing in the past, from 1924 till now til1984 and so on. The government has had to control most things in our society, but not to the extream of 1984. I happen to like his style of writing and have recently read Animal farm, wich i liked very much, And i agree with Enjoi, and that there is no perfect society. :alien:

[The Atheist]

I belive most of orwell's prodiction's in 1924 are true or close to what actualy happend. The government as he prodicts it will control every thing in the past, from 1924 till now til1984 and so on. The government has had to control most things in our society, but not to the extream of 1984.

Amazing, the number of people making the same mistake at the moment - Orwell wasn't predicting anything.

Start here (http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40074) and feel free to come back to discuss, but the short answer is that if you think Orwell was predicting a future, then you've read the book wrong.

Also, I'm not sure what relevance 1924 has, it was written in 1948.

[Enjoi.]

Amazing, the number of people making the same mistake at the moment - Orwell wasn't predicting anything.

Start here (http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40074) and feel free to come back to discuss, but the short answer is that if you think Orwell was predicting a future, then you've read the book wrong.

Also, I'm not sure what relevance 1924 has, it was written in 1948.

:lol: How many times shall we fix this? Orwell=Warning us against a government called... (drum roll) totalitarianism!

[Enjoi.]

I belive most of orwell's prodiction's in 1924 are true or close to what actualy happend. The government as he prodicts it will control every thing in the past, from 1924 till now til1984 and so on. The government has had to control most things in our society, but not to the extream of 1984. I happen to like his style of writing and have recently read Animal farm, wich i liked very much,


Read more Orwell! I started Coming Up For Air, and it is an excellent book. From what Orwell I have read they all reflect the same style of writing in a "real" sense.[/QUOTE]


And i agree with Enjoi, and that there is no perfect society. :alien:

Thanks. :D

[bazarov]

Plato's state?

[The Atheist]

Plato's state?

Dead.