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AuntShecky
11-11-2008, 12:33 PM
Today the U.S. honors and remembers its military veterans. Originally this date was known as "Armistice Day," since the 1918 treaty ending World War I was signed on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month.

American literature is rich with works about war, from the Revolution through World War II and more recent conflicts of the late 20th century. Contrary to popular opinion, one can be a pacifist "against" all wars or merely a particular one without dishonoring those who have fought and are even today fighting -- for our country. Most citizens, regardless of their individual political philosophy, are grateful to those who have died fighting for America, for us. This is only right -- to feel otherwise would be absolutely wrong.

On this date in November of 1922, another American hero was born, Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. He died last year, but he left a legacy of literature through which American readers were not only entertained but prodded into some hard thinking about their values. The author of many satirical novels, some of which contained pseudo-science fiction novels within novels, Vonnegut called into question some of the conventional wisdom we are taught to take as unvarnished truth. He based his masterpiece, Slaughter-House 5 , upon his own experiences in World War II, in which he witnessed first-hand the fire-bombing of Dresden, Germany. Through the eyes of his time-traveling protagonist, Billy Pilgrim, we are forced to look at the horrors of war and the consequences of our actions, even when we are convinced that what we are doing is right.

Studs Terkel, the journalist, raconteur, and actor, died last week at the age of 96. He adopted his first name from another literary hero, Studs Lonigan, the eponymous title of a novel by one of America's great neglected authors, James T. Farrell. Like Vonnegut, Terkel served in World War II, but in a non-military capacity, as a worker for the Red Cross. Having refused to give evidence to the HUAC and the Joseph McCarthy hearings, he was blacklisted from television in 1953. The Good War, which received a host of awards, including the Pulitzer Prize, is an oral history of World War II. In preparation for this work, Terkel interviewed countless ex-soldiers not only from American but from the very countries with which we had fought at the time. Some of the veterans returned home with grave injuries, and they did not receive the best medical treatment. The war reminiscences of these former military men do not skip over or expunge the horror and the madness of combat; in that way their voice is unanimous. But the courage of the men themselves is the same as that which was shown by Tom Brokaw in his book, The Greatest Generation.

And finally, America's literary genius, Mark Twain, is conventionally known as
the creator of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn, characters whose personalities are often held up as icons of Americana. Yet the pages of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn are rife with an indictment of the institution of slavery, which various critics have called "America's original sin." Like World War II, the aims of the Civil War were "good," -- in that they helped to removed the stain of slavery from our land -- but the
pragmatic waging of that war, as in any war, was horrific, tragic, unspeakable.

In "The War Prayer", a work which he refused to have published until after his death, Twain examines what we really mean when we say "God is on our side." When we pray for victory, what are we really praying for?

These authors, as well as many others over the relatively short history of America, are in no way "unpatriotic" by examining the moral implications of warfare. On the contrary, they loved their country enough to be willing to take the risk of being vilified for adopting unpopular social and political positions. It has been said that the best authors reflect the age in which he or she lives, yet their artistic response to reality is timeless. It can be a step toward "forming a more perfect Union." Even criticism of society and its accepted norms can be pointed toward that goal.

This does not by any measure diminish the fact that our veterans of every war have given their lives to their country; indeed, we should endeavor to make ourselves worthy of their sacrifice.

"No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends." John 15:13

JBI
11-11-2008, 01:31 PM
November 11th is there so that we don't actually need to remember World War 1. It serves a purpose of having the Remembrance Day, and therefore, for 365 days a year, with the exception of two minutes at 11 today, people can not bother thinking about war, or violent pasts.

In Canada, for instance, until really Timothy Findley's publication of The Wars, and even to this day, despite post-modern criticism and historical perspectives, the war is still portrayed in somewhat of a positive light.

If you look at literature, for instance, written between the wars, and after the second world war, you notice the war is portrayed as the beginning of the Canadian identity, a heroic act, and is often romanticized, and minipulated to seem positive. The blood and gusts are taken as a sacrifice for the important coming of age of Canada, as portrayed, and battles like Vimmy Ridge, for instance, are taken to be the beginning of Canadian destiny, rather than a bloody battle where people died.

The nation itself, in history classes across highschools, cities, and provinces treat the wars as a national bildungsroman (What's the female equiv, I forget?), and not like wars. The proof is in a poem like John Macrae's Flanders Field, essentially the national poem of Canada, on the five dollar bill, and recited, memorized, and spoonfed to every kid as early as grade school. No one seems to have a problem with the final verse encouraging people to keep on fighting until the foe is vanquished, and to destroy the enemy, regardless of the fact that the war a) wasn't a Canadian war, and b) had no real point for anyone except a few elite.

Remembrance day then functions as a victors justice, glorifying the war, especially the first one, rather than anything else. It is political propaganda to the extreme.

I guess countries figure if they lie to people, feed them propaganda, conscript them, and send them to die, as long as they win, everything is alright, and a single remembrance day suffices to glorify their seemingly wasted lives. But I guess victors justice is needed; after all, how can we justify killing if not for the fact that we won. I don't know if the Germans, for instance, are commemorating their defeat today.

LitNetIsGreat
11-11-2008, 03:18 PM
Remembrance day then functions as a victors justice, glorifying the war, especially the first one, rather than anything else. It is political propaganda to the extreme.


I thought the other day as I watched the Queen on TV on remembrance Sunday bend down to honour the 'fallen' from the FWW to the present that it was all well and a good idea. Of course you just not send them to die in the first place which would be an even better one.

polgara
11-11-2008, 04:54 PM
To me, Remembrance Day means the opposite of any glorification of war, but rather a recognition of its brutal senseless slaughter and, in the case of WW1, the arrogant inefficiencies of the generals in charge and the glory-seeking governments of the time. But it is also a day to acknowledge the brave sacrifice of the soldiers who did what they, at that time, believed that they had to do in order to protect their loved ones and their countries.

It is those fallen we remember with sadness and hoping we can one day learn that war is never the answer.

LitNetIsGreat
11-11-2008, 05:50 PM
I think it is only wise that we remember the youths slaughtered in their millions in order to uphold the ideals of western capitalism for the last 100 years or so and fair to think of the brave pawns who gave their lives for the cause. But to consent this to two minutes every year in all its pomp and pageantry, Royal Family, marching guards, reefs of poppies and all for me is not the best way to learn that war is not the answer.

Yet again I prefer the likes of Wilfred Owen’s commentary on war to anything pumped out by the mass media in all its decoration. For many people the reality of war is a daily, life threatening possibility and not something consigned to history.

Joreads
11-11-2008, 09:02 PM
To me, Remembrance Day means the opposite of any glorification of war, but rather a recognition of its brutal senseless slaughter and, in the case of WW1, the arrogant inefficiencies of the generals in charge and the glory-seeking governments of the time. But it is also a day to acknowledge the brave sacrifice of the soldiers who did what they, at that time, believed that they had to do in order to protect their loved ones and their countries.

It is those fallen we remember with sadness and hoping we can one day learn that war is never the answer.

I agree it is a day when we can all stop and say a silent thankyou to the men and women that made the free lives that we live possible today. In Australia we all wear a poppy (the first flower to grow on the battle field after the war) "Lest we forget"

Virgil
11-11-2008, 11:26 PM
A nice commendation for a solemn day Aunty. I only wish to comment on this:

In "The War Prayer", a work which he refused to have published until after his death, Twain examines what we really mean when we say "God is on our side." When we pray for victory, what are we really praying for?
I think Abraham Lincoln said it best when it comes to war and prayer. I don't have the exact quote, so this is a paraphrase: We do not pray to God for him to be on our side; we pray to God that we are on his side.

Etienne
11-11-2008, 11:47 PM
I don't know if the Germans, for instance, are commemorating their defeat today.

Well, you know, Quebec's National day is hugely celebrated on the Abraham Plains... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Plains_of_Abraham (how useful sometimes isn't it?) Irony sometimes knows no boundaries.

Niamh
11-12-2008, 07:32 AM
We dont really have any remembrance day celebrations here.:blush: it very small, and not a whole country thing.

wessexgirl
11-12-2008, 09:11 AM
To me, Remembrance Day means the opposite of any glorification of war, but rather a recognition of its brutal senseless slaughter and, in the case of WW1, the arrogant inefficiencies of the generals in charge and the glory-seeking governments of the time. But it is also a day to acknowledge the brave sacrifice of the soldiers who did what they, at that time, believed that they had to do in order to protect their loved ones and their countries.

It is those fallen we remember with sadness and hoping we can one day learn that war is never the answer.

I agree. Unless we make it a national memorial day, how do the youngsters of today know what happened? I'm personally shocked when I hear children saying they don't know why we wear the poppy, or what happened. The sales of poppies go to help those in need now, through the British Legion, here in England. I don't see it as glorifying war, but the opposite. We can see the senseless slaughter of all those millions who died, and feel nothing but sorrow at their wasted lives. Sassoon said it best,

But the past is just the same—and War's a bloody game...
Have you forgotten yet?...
Look down, and swear by the slain of the War that you'll never forget.
Personally, when I buy my poppy I am not buying into "propaganda" of governments, but thinking about the millions who did die, or were injured, often horrifically, both physically and mentally, and the devastated lives of those left behind.