Divide And Segregate. Seperating the chosen from the impure stock of humanity.

[Mr Hyde]

Welcome to our academical school for ripe fresh young minds.

Let me give you a guided tour.

It is within these well paved halls that whole new generations of young people are fed like fodder amongst a well lit flame where either they will adapt or assimilate as students in what we would have them soak up and should they not we will throw them into shackles of servitude for the rest of their adult life.

It is here through our academical institutions every year where we seperate the chosen from the impure and rebellious to become leaders all throughout the land and yet it is also here that we replenish the servant class for those who can not follow determined standards or the status quo of our choosing for we serve that purpose too.

Every year it is harvest time in that we seperate the grain from the chaff and where we as educators are the harvesters.

Yes education is the means of segregating and dividing the chosen from the untouchable impure class of people with our tests, classes,indocrination, propaganda, and publicly held doctrine of fanatical perceivement.

It is here where we threaten their existential future for non-compliance striking fear through their very hearts.

It is here that a human being is described value and worth in society and it is here where we can also take it away.

Imagine what power we have over young hearts constantly having our hand on the button that can ruin their entire existential future into damnation.

It is here where we drain or sap their energy of natural instinctual youth and put it towards the means of supporting the machine that is civilization with flesh amongst metal which we call higher cult-ure.

Here we divide and segregate the chosen citizens amongst the lowly impure servant class but if anybody should ask what our mission is publicly well just be pretensious and say that we are here to nurture young minds academically on a equal scale for all people.

In reality we care not of equality for their is nothing equal of our operations here.

We count on inequality being the sort of conflict which advances human knowledge and potential.

Truly academical and educational institutions are remarkable in that we are the prime center of dividing and segregating the populance yet people are gullible enough to believe today that education is built upon equal means for everyone. What fools!

[Bitterfly]

Your text actually shows your own bias in favour of educated people! Why should those who don't go to university be considered as the menial mass, eh? Mechanics are just as useful as academics, even if I wouldn't particularly enjoy being one (because engines hold no fascination for me).

[Mr Hyde]

Your text actually shows your own bias in favour of educated people! Why should those who don't go to university be considered as the menial mass, eh? Mechanics are just as useful as academics, even if I wouldn't particularly enjoy being one (because engines hold no fascination for me).

What I meant by the word academic was the entire educational process not just bits and parts of it.

( I'm describing all educational institutions and everything comprising them.)

Read it again.

[Bitterfly]

I have read it, and I'd understood your point about education in general; I was using "academic" as one example among others. And I maintain my first post: you can only see education as something that separates the grain from the chaff if you first postulate that unacademic types constitute the chaff.


It is here where we drain their energy of instinctual youth and put it towards the means of supporting the machine that is civilization with flesh amongst metal which we call higher cult-ure.

What exactly do you mean by "the energy of instinctual youth"? If you mean the natural violence and intolerance of some teenagers, thank God education is there to put a rub of polish on these rough diamonds :p !!


We count on inequality being the sort of conflict which advances human knowledge and potential.

In a way, I'd say yes (even though I don't share your pessimistic views on education, preferring to believe that most people, whatever the results, are animated by good intentions). Where inequality exists, it makes (some) people strive to do better. If we were all equal, where would the desire to do better than others stem from?

[Mr Hyde]

And I maintain my first post: you can only see education as something that separates the grain from the chaff if you first postulate that unacademic types constitute the chaff.

I only describe what I observe.

I don't necessarily agree with what takes place but nonetheless I describe my observations.

( That's what we call realism. The ability to describe things for what they are even if you don't like what you see.)

( The opposite of idealism or as I like to call it: wishful thinking.)



What exactly do you mean by "the energy of instinctual youth"? If you mean the natural violence and intolerance of some teenagers, thank God education is there to put a rub of polish on these rough diamonds :p !!

And that's just the fanatical perceivement I was talking about.




In a way, I'd say yes (even though I don't share your pessimistic views on education, preferring to believe that most people, whatever the results, are animated by good intentions).

Good intentions? :lol:


Where inequality exists, it makes (some) people strive to do better.

And those some become looked at as the divine chosen while the rest are damned.


If we were all equal, where would the desire to do better than others stem from?

Rest assured that you have nothing to fear since total equality of the human race will never happen.

[Bitterfly]

And that's just the fanatical perceivement I was talking about.

Ah, for God's sake, haven't you ever heard that teenagers are the scum of the earth? If they didn't grow up one day, us adults would have to do something to put a stop to them :p

I'm not a fanatic. I've just noticed (history lessons are useful for that - WW2, some recent wars in Africa, the Chinese cultural revolution... ) that some, mostly male, teenagers, if their "instinctual" passions are given a free rein, will do horrible things, and for that reason they have to be contained/structured in order not to pose a threat to society. But maybe you don't believe in society? ;)

[Mr Hyde]

Ah, for God's sake, haven't you ever heard that teenagers are the scum of the earth? If they didn't grow up one day, us adults would have to do something to put a stop to them :p

Har, Har.


I'm not a fanatic. I've just noticed (history lessons are useful for that - WW2, some recent wars in Africa, the Chinese cultural revolution... ) that some, mostly male, teenagers, if their "instinctual" passions are given a free rein, will do horrible things,

The label horrible is an entirely subjective description.


and for that reason they have to be contained/structured in order not to pose a threat to society.

Which inevitably goes back to my first post of this thread.


But maybe you don't believe in society? ;)

I believe in myself and myself alone.

[Mr Hyde]

Another ignored thread.............

( Which is supposed to be in the philosophical forum anyways.)

[weltanschauung]

keyword, dude
spellcheck.

[Mr Hyde]

keyword, dude
spellcheck.

What's that supposed to mean?

[mtpspur]

Threads come and go here on good old Litnet so don't despair about that. You actually got some feedback. By the way I didn't get the speelcheck joke either. I suppose you would consider me one of the divine chosen as I profess to believe in the Lord Christ but I am very veyr aware that's it's all of grace. The longer I live I discover people tend to be alike the world over and are at various levels of intelligence, moral beliefs, economic stability and whatnot. My interest in you Hyde (was first your selection of a nickname) and your passion for who you believe yourself to be. You'll hate this but you were ME 30 years ago--a bit too self aware of the imbalances and injustices that seem to abound in the world. So I predict a very interesting tme ahead for you but perservere and pracrtice just a touch of empathy for others and less disdain for yourself and you'll be fine. With respect submitted Rich

[JustNickey]

I'll bite.

My first impression is that this is a bit alienating. But not in an intriguing way. So I read it again. I think I can put my finger what I find so alienating. It's brooding, pessimistic, with just enough moral superiority thrown in to be unlikable. It comes off like the rant of a arrogant and socially inept teenager. I guess mostly I don't identify with anything. Plus some things come off pretty clunky. I think the succinct comment of "spellcheck dude" would help. For example.

"In reality we care not of equality for their(sic) is nothing equal of our operations here. "

You mean there. It's minor, but it's distracting. Just that whole sentence needs work. I guess it comes down to your intent as a writer. Are you trying to draw people in, or are you trying to show them why you know more than they do? It's seems resentful, haughty and insecure where you'd be better served by detached objectivity. You've got something to say that's worth hearing, but I think you need to clear your throat so to speak. I'm sorry if this was harsh, but if I didn't sense that you *could* do better, I wouldn't have bothered commenting. And it's only an opinion, not fact.

[DickZ]

keyword, dude
spellcheck.


What's that supposed to mean?
It means you have some misspelled words in your essay. They detract from your message.

And don't rely exclusively on spellcheck. It can't tell the difference between their and there, which was also pointed out to be a great way for a writer to lose credibility.

There is a lot of writing available to readers - much more than anyone can actually get to. Errors in spelling and mistakes in grammar provide an early signal for a reader not to waste his or her time on a particular piece.

[AuntShecky]

I'm really reticent (which btw means reluctant to speak and not merely "shy") to reply to your posting primarily because you never acknowledged to my reply to your treatise about poverty. (I went to your cited source, "The Myth of Sisyphus" and spend a lot of time on it, but you never commented!)

I do want to say that it is rare to find a young person(which I assume you are and will bet the rent you're younger than I) actually engaged in thinking and speculating about serious issues.

In any event, here are my impressions of this latest piece (more positive than negative, to be sure, but with the negative parts first)

Please try to work on spelling, as in words such as "separate." Also, your prose style is a little heavy. If you don't mind my saying this, "lighten up" a bit. A good model to follow is a wonderful book on the topic of philosophy called Sophie's World, by Jostein Gaardner.

Now some positive remarks about the content of your piece:

You are absolutely correct about the educational system, which does tend to separate the college-bound from those
whom -- it is believed -- to be better suited for less academic and more manual trades. The problem with that kind of separation is that it does not account for late-bloomers under whom the lightbulb of desire for learning will click on. Sometimes I think that the administrators could not care less about getting students interested in learning. It's starting to change now, but in the past teacher training placed more emphasis on the "how" instead of the "what" -- too much on teaching techniques and not enough on the subject matter. I always admired a teacher who was enthusiatic about literature or
history or science or whatever he or she was teaching and that the passion for the subject would rub off on the kids.

I've never cared much for the idea of "central" schools, which has a kind of warehousing effect, in which the entire student body is lead to the different classes on their schedule throughout the halls on a cattle drive. There are such professionals as "guidance counselors" but they are usually overworked, and their emphasis is tilted toward those who are pursuing higher education or need assistance in finding college applications, scholarship, and the like.

The individual does not get much personal attention, which is crucial especially for high school age students, who are going through the madness of adolescence.

Also, because of the sheer size of the contemporary school
(the "middle" school, formerly called "junior high school" as
well as the high school) there are so many rules that the
kids feel highly restrained and limited. Instead of keeping them "in line" rules-- especially the ones that seem arbitrary ("no hats," "no hooded sweatshirts," "don't visit your locker before lunch," e. g.) -- have the opposite of the intended effect. Instead of keeping the students in line, it makes them more ornery and more rebellious.

Metal detectors, random locker searches, mandatory school uniforms in public schools -- is this school or a medium security prison?

You can pretty much forget about instilling a "love of learning" when school is just a miserable place.

On the other hand, because the students don't really know what is expected of them, much time is lost to discipline.
Knowing that one should stay in one's seat and shut up when the teacher is speaking are legitimate rules, and should have been taught back in kindergarten. Also, there are common sense type prohibitions-- against such things as text-messaging during class time. (You may heard of that famous case last year where a parent got a $3000 phone bill that was itemized with his daughter's text message record, with a call for every minute of each school day -- from 8:01 am to 3:00 pm.) But I don't agree with school officials confiscating the child's cellphone, which he or she should be able to keep in case the parent has to reach him or her in an emergency.)