The Desire Of Power And The Obtaining Of It.

[Mr Hyde]

Power is the main foundation of society and it is also the main driving force of human beings.

There are two types of humans in this world.

There are those who have power who ensnare their fellow human beings to do their various biddings even at the point of going against their will and then there is the forever resenting mob who have little to no power at all where they constantly plot to overthrow those who control and confine them.

How do I know that power is the main driving force of human beings as a simple observer? Currency.

What is currency?

Currency is buying power where it's foundation rests upon metaphysical and metanarrative value systems.

Without currency or enough of it one is left in a position of poverty and powerlessness which is later decreed as being poor. Such individuals are left to serfdom of those with power.

Society is this sort of game revolving around currency which is merely a symbol of power in that many try to get the slip over the other into submissive control through the accumulation of wealth by putting them at a social disadvantage by means of finances.

Even social interaction and relationships are not immune from currency as they too are dominated by power, influence, suggestion, popularity, fashion, appearances, prestige, and grandeur that is bought by currency itself.


In a post modern world relationships have become synonymous with the accumulation of wealth but it should be no surprise considering that wealth or currency are nothing but imagery of power through symbolism.

Many like to think that our species has become more enlightened over our ancient ancestors but in the end the same primitive impulses and barbarism remains even today although in the present it conceals itself under symbols, abstracts, masks, ideals, metaphors, and metanarratives making it harder to detect but if one looks hard enough there it forever stays.

The will to power forever dominates our lives. Humans are marked by the need for control, domination, subjugation, manipulation and conquest by the most vindictive of means.

[B-Mental]

I think you've taken things to extremes again. I also wonder how you can break people down into only two groups. When you oversimplify, you lose focus. Currency is power? Currency is material, it is not power. It may give one the sense of power, but it truly isn't power.

[Mr. Vandemar]

main driving force of human beings

I think that the striving for satisfaction is the main driving force of human beings. Power may be what someone thinks will satisfy them, but power is only a part of it. I strive for things other than power.

[kristian]

How do I know that power is the main driving force of human beings as a simple observer?


How about you observe it more extensively?

You may see that currency does not deserve the spotlight for power.

Power is definitely power, and the most effective way to achieve it is not through currency as the top means but through mental warfare.

[Mr Hyde]

I think you've taken things to extremes again.

Am I?



I also wonder how you can break people down into only two groups.

Why not? It works for the justice system.


When you oversimplify, you lose focus.

And where should my focus be?


Currency is power? Currency is material, it is not power.

Currency is buying power.

It is symbolic imagery and a abstract representation of power.


It may give one the sense of power, but it truly isn't power.

You just called it the sense of power. The sense of power is still power nonetheless.


I think that the striving for satisfaction is the main driving force of human beings.

Which for the most part can only be achieved with a type of power.


How about you observe it more extensively?

You may see that currency does not deserve the spotlight for power.


Power is definitely power, and the most effective way to achieve it is not through currency as the top means but through mental warfare.

Just another form of power. Finding a way to manipulate, conquer, or control others.

[Sin of Red]

You just called it the sense of power. The sense of power is still power nonetheless.

The sense of having "power" does not mean you have that "power", it means that you believe you do, though in reality, chances are you don't have anything close to it. Let's say, a way to make themelves feel better after being used their whole lives.

[Mr Hyde]

The sense of having "power" does not mean you have that "power", it means that you believe you do, though in reality, chances are you don't have anything close to it. Let's say, a way to make themelves feel better after being used their whole lives.

If I have learned anything it is that self delusion and absurdism is the shape shifter of reality.

It is the prime definer and director of human thought. Call it solipsism if you life.

[caddy_caddy]

Many like to think that our species has become more enlightened over our ancient ancestors but in the end the same primitive impulses and barbarism remains even today although in the present it conceals itself under symbols, abstracts, masks, ideals, metaphors, and metanarratives making it harder to detect but if one looks hard enough there it forever stays.

I think nowadays we are more barbarians than the primitive socities in the sense that what we call barbarism is a way of living and for living in that societies and it has its justifcations in their culture.

I do no what is the justification of our endless striving for power. It is not a driving force only within us ; it is an end by itself.

[Sin of Red]

If I have learned anything it is that self delusion and absurdism is the shape shifter of reality.

Possibly, but self-realisation can, and has, ended the shifting of such a thought into reality.

I do respect you're thoughts on the whole thing though, it definitley makes sense, I'm not quite that closed minded.:crash:

[absurda]

I agree with you. Even as children we like to use our power to get what we want, no matter what. When the child realizes that he has power over the mother, cuz when he/she cries the mother does what he/she whants, the child starts using that, and cries whenever he/she wants something.
Power rules the lives of every social animal, and as humans we fit in that category. However, I think that everyone enjoys some sense of power, even those who have nothing. For exemple, even among beggars there's a leader. The leader may not have money, but he has something else that grants him power over the other beggars.
Some people who have less power than they would like may become abusers, like chid abusers. They are the typical type of person that can only find pleasure when they feel they have power over someone else.
So, I agree with your first sentence: "Power is the main foundation of society and it is also the main driving force of human beings."
But I think it goes beyond currency, even though it is the main symbol of power in a capitalist society.

[Mr Hyde]

I agree with you. Even as children we like to use our power to get what we want, no matter what. When the child realizes that he has power over the mother, cuz when he/she cries the mother does what he/she whants, the child starts using that, and cries whenever he/she wants something.
Power rules the lives of every social animal, and as humans we fit in that category. However, I think that everyone enjoys some sense of power, even those who have nothing. For exemple, even among beggars there's a leader. The leader may not have money, but he has something else that grants him power over the other beggars.
Some people who have less power than they would like may become abusers, like chid abusers. They are the typical type of person that can only find pleasure when they feel they have power over someone else.
So, I agree with your first sentence: "Power is the main foundation of society and it is also the main driving force of human beings."
But I think it goes beyond currency, even though it is the main symbol of power in a capitalist society.

Finally someone who understands. :)

[Sin of Red]

Applaud the disillusioned ay?:yawnb:

[Mr Hyde]

Applaud the disillusioned ay?:yawnb:

Who's disillusioned?

[Sin of Red]

You guys. :bawling:

[Mr Hyde]

You guys. :bawling:

How so?

[Sin of Red]

Your just not "enchanted" (for a lack of a better word) by what other people say. No offense, don't think that, just saying you beleive what you want, and keep that as good enough.:eek2::smash:

[Mr Hyde]

your just not "enchanted" (for a lack of a better word) by what other people say. No offense, don't think that, just saying you beleive what you want, and keep that as good enough.:eek2::smash:

k. ;)

[Sin of Red]

Glad we got that out of the air.:eek2::smash: and just for the fun of it.:banana:

[robertlc53]

the only real relevance of power in my opinion rests with those who are actively oppressed and those who actively oppress. neither can withstand human willpower however as human history has proven. oppression is the result of one party yielding to the other based on numerous factors - physical size, percieved value, social leverage - which are a result of our intrinsic collective natures. society is a product of human nature, not the other way around. therefore, all the things that you see and hate in the world are there because society is based on human nature. so from the dawn of man, we have jockeyed for social position and power in every and all form. whether that be being the most skilled hunter/warrior or driving a 100 000 car, both are derived from social benefit derived from power derived from evolutionary traits of only the fittest survive. every ounce of power is placed in the minds scales and at every turn in your day you can not deny that you are constantly sizing up every room you enter. we are animals called humans.