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blazeofglory
09-08-2008, 07:18 AM
This is a subject that may not interest you, and something that you do not want to read for it breaches or violates the convention you live up to in your life. For it is a U-turn or roundabout of what you esteem in life, something you esteem very much.

I take a different, and of course completely unconventional path to the abode of God and of course you will not find there ideas or images or concepts of God. In order to make you worthy of accessorizing yourself with all I have to say, first of all you must unlearn all that have been taught you conventionally.

I do not hold a particular set of ideas to fence off the domain of God. God is not what our scriptures delimitate to a particular territorial reality like heaven, paradise and the like. God is not a thing, and of course God is not something that is pleased through your prayers and can be subjected to wrath through your disapprovals of his acts.

God is oftentimes likened to forces of nature or worldly attributions in point of fact. God has little or nothing to do with all that is worldly. There are natural laws and God does not supersede them. There are instances in the Bible Jesus healed some sick persons, and in fact there are doctors or medicines and why God should cure someone. In Hinduism there are too many gods, and if you are poor worship Laxmi, the Goddess of wealth who will turn you into a milliner. If you want education and choose to pass the examination without laboring hard simply worship Saraswati, goddess of learning you can be a scholar instantaneously and similarly Ganesh stands for wisdom, and many students of management worship Ganesh. In the same vein there are rain gods, and gods who assure you of impregnating you with babies if you are without them, and also gods that can destroy your enemies. There are classes of gods and some are more powerful than others.
Of course most scriptures are full of them, and now we are too much occupied with defending them. We make different interpretations of them.

Yet I do not say there is no God. God is not the kind we take it as a means or a tool for defining or asserting our identity and that has stirred acts of violence all over the world. Today there is so much unrest and agitation everywhere just because we have too many gods and we try to defend our gods against others' gods and gods fight, ideologies fight and beliefs clash and man falls victims to all these things.

I believe in god despite everything, for I have to if I want to define my position in the universe. I believe that with death everything does not end up. Death is not a complete annihilation of life, and as a matter of fact death I take as a little respite and a break and we will again proceed on our journey to eternity.

God is an integrated whole, something that permeates everything, an energy that pervades and impregnates everything, yet it becomes detached and distant.

God is in everything and yet it is not an agent. We are also gods, and the difference between god and us is likened to a drop of water and all water in the world.

All I want to say conclusively is God is not different from us, and the problem with us is one of realization only. We are already God, unwittingly and of course unrealizably.

These are my opinions, and even if I may claim they are mine, but they are sifted and distilled by my minds. It is really exciting to discuss this subject and I want all of you to share yours.

NikolaiI
09-08-2008, 03:49 PM
This is a subject that may not interest you, and something that you do not want to read for it breaches or violates the convention you live up to in your life. For it is a U-turn or roundabout of what you esteem in life, something you esteem very much.

I take a different, and of course completely unconventional path to the abode of God and of course you will not find there ideas or images or concepts of God. In order to make you worthy of accessorizing yourself with all I have to say, first of all you must unlearn all that have been taught you conventionally.

I do not hold a particular set of ideas to fence off the domain of God. God is not what our scriptures delimitate to a particular territorial reality like heaven, paradise and the like. God is not a thing, and of course God is not something that is pleased through your prayers and can be subjected to wrath through your disapprovals of his acts.

God is the source of what we are. We are not physical beings having a spiritual existence, but spiritual beings having a human experience. Heaven not comprehendable, yet if a person only experiences the tiniest fraction of infinity, then they can recognize it for what it is.

God is also the Absolute Truth, the Complete Whole and also the Oversoul or Supersoul. God is the Super Soul of which we are all fragmentally a part of. It is God's wish that is done. It is said that we are actually a part of the dream of God.

[quot="blazeofglory"]God is oftentimes likened to forces of nature or worldly attributions in point of fact. God has little or nothing to do with all that is worldly. There are natural laws and God does not supersede them. There are instances in the Bible Jesus healed some sick persons, and in fact there are doctors or medicines and why God should cure someone. In Hinduism there are too many gods, and if you are poor worship Laxmi, the Goddess of wealth who will turn you into a milliner. If you want education and choose to pass the examination without laboring hard simply worship Saraswati, goddess of learning you can be a scholar instantaneously and similarly Ganesh stands for wisdom, and many students of management worship Ganesh. In the same vein there are rain gods, and gods who assure you of impregnating you with babies if you are without them, and also gods that can destroy your enemies. There are classes of gods and some are more powerful than others.
Of course most scriptures are full of them, and now we are too much occupied with defending them. We make different interpretations of them.[/quote]

The Supreme Lord is the original person. He says in the Bhagavad-Gita, that those who have lost their intelligence worship the demigods. He also says that those who worship the demigods worship Him, only they do so in a wrong way. Yet he also says that to those who worship the demigods, He will give determination of faith, so they will do it successfully and receive the benefit of their sacrifices, though he also explains that all these sacrifices exist because of Him alone-- he is the bestower.

It is highly offensive to speak wrongly of demigods, however, for the demigods are also devotees of the Supreme Lord, in fact they are the perfect devotees. The point of distinction is that they are not gods, they are living entities, who have great material powers and wealth, which are all given to them by the Lord.


Yet I do not say there is no God. God is not the kind we take it as a means or a tool for defining or asserting our identity and that has stirred acts of violence all over the world. Today there is so much unrest and agitation everywhere just because we have too many gods and we try to defend our gods against others' gods and gods fight, ideologies fight and beliefs clash and man falls victims to all these things.

There are not many Gods, there is only one God. There is God, isvara, the supreme controller, and then there are living entities. There is no such thing as Satan, whom sometimes I see you praising. God is the source of reality-- the creator of all spiritual and material worlds. I was just watching a wonderful program called "The Power of Intuition," based on a book by Dr. Wayne Dyer. Though he did not speak of things such as God as the Supersoul, he did describe very well how God is our source, although he didn't mainly use the word God. We can understand God as the source, or we can go deeper and understand Him as the Supersoul, and both are correct.


I believe in god despite everything, for I have to if I want to define my position in the universe. I believe that with death everything does not end up. Death is not a complete annihilation of life, and as a matter of fact death I take as a little respite and a break and we will again proceed on our journey to eternity.

I hope I don't come off as critical. There's value in this, but only if we acknowledge the fact that probably no one has the exact same views. I don't actually disagree with you, since you are shifting your beliefs so much I don't know what you think. :)