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WICKES
08-28-2008, 03:10 PM
In another thread I asked why people read. One of the reasons, perhaps the main reason, I read is that I would like to find some kind of meaning to life. I find it hard to express this- perhaps because it is more a mood than anything else. The angst of people like Larkin and Beckett is something some people just don't seem to understand (Richard Dawkins for example). Here is my hero Bertrand Russell:

"At Cambridge my interest in philosophy received a stimulus from another motive. The skepticism which had led me to doubt even mathematics had also led me to question the fundamental dogmas of religion, but I ardently desired to find a way of preserving at least something that could be called religious belief...In Hegel I found comfort for a time. There was a curious pleasure in making oneself believe that space and time are unreal, that matter is an illusion, and that the world really consists of nothing but mind. In a rash moment, however, I turned from the disciples to the master and found...confusions and what seemed little better than puns. I therefore abandoned his philosophy. For a time I found satisfaction in a doctrine derived, with modification, from Plato. According to Plato's doctrine... there is an unchanging timeless world of ideas of which the world presented to our senses is an imperfect copy. Mathematics, according to this doctrine, deals with the world of ideas and has in consequence an exactness and perfection which is absent from the everyday world... This kind of mathematical mysticism ...appealed to me. But in the end I found myself obliged to abandon this doctrine also, and I have never since found satisfaction in in any philosophical doctrine that I could accept"

Russell ended up with a kind of 'calm despair' as Tennyson put it. How about you? Where do you find meaning and satisfaction? Does Shakespeare or Dante succeed for you where Plato and Hegel failed poor old Bertie?

Kafka's Crow
08-30-2008, 08:19 AM
I find meaning and satisfaction in seeing my own deepest and most complex thoughts and emotions put across successfully and succinctly. Nobody does it better than Proust. Beckett is good at it as well in his own dark and humorous way. Things that I can not express, things that I can not discuss, things that would make me feel like Prufrock in any other company (""That is not what I meant at all;/ That is not it, at all.") and show me the limitations of human communications. Literature overcomes these barriers, good literature does: Shakespeare does, Chaucer does, Alexander Pope and Donne do, Proust, Joyce and Beckett do.Literature gives meaning to my own thoughts. Philosophy, on the other hand, helps ascertain the value (both critical and empirical value) of these thoughts and feelings. Am I right? Is it right? Are they right? Philosophy is more about understanding, literature is knowing what I always knew but never knew that I knew (to borrow the idea from Robert Frost). I love literature more though I don't mind philosophy but literature is "the thing itself." Literature is life, philosophy, a mere discussion and attempts at understanding of it.

Jozanny
08-30-2008, 09:44 AM
Russell ended up with a kind of 'calm despair' as Tennyson put it. How about you? Where do you find meaning and satisfaction? Does Shakespeare or Dante succeed for you where Plato and Hegel failed poor old Bertie?

Once upon a time, I may have existed in an existential funk like this, but today, I don't worry about meaning, or why. I write because I am a writer. I post on LN because I prefer a centered *pull in* messaging software to an email *push out* distributive type, though I still do elists. I read literature because: because I am a writer, because I like sex, I like death, I like visionaries who push me, make me think. I watch television to staunch emotional pain, and eat cappuccino ice cream cake to vaguely remember the sex I really had once. I read about science. I'd like to sleep with Brian Greene. I am hostile to Christianity. I love cats but don't have enough money to really be a little off like lucky cat breeders. Life is a process and I make the most of my shrinking little corner of it, perhaps echoing Voltaire.

Meaning, Wickes, is why metaphysicians have gone mad for 2000 years. If you need it you need it. I have charged my power chair and I'm going to buy my cigarettes and be friendly with the guy from India who owns the store, is nice to me, and whom I've thought about sleeping with. When I'm dead I won't be asking why hon. I just hope my work will matter--perhaps to a small select click. I do not know.;)

kasie
08-30-2008, 10:44 AM
I think I'm with Jozanny on this one - we just are: seize the day, enjoy it, you're a long time dead.

Jozanny
08-30-2008, 11:54 AM
I think I'm with Jozanny on this one - we just are: seize the day, enjoy it, you're a long time dead.

Amen!;)