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INeedSomeHelp
08-25-2008, 11:40 AM
I need to know who in modern times or even the last 60 or so years (besides Hitler, Mussolini and the gang) could be considered as to have used Machiavelli's ideas. The question from my Prof was "who do you think read Machiavelli and used his Ideas" I have a few names but I need some more. Thanks.

PeterL
08-25-2008, 12:01 PM
I need to know who in modern times or even the last 60 or so years (besides Hitler, Mussolini and the gang) could be considered as to have used Machiavelli's ideas. The question from my Prof was "who do you think read Machiavelli and used his Ideas" I have a few names but I need some more. Thanks.

Essentially all political leaders use Machiavelli's ideas in some way. You could name every U.S. President, all leaders of all of the countries in Europe, and almost everyone else. For something like that, you certainly have read Discourses on the First Ten Books of Titus Livius, so you could mention anyone who favors equality and political freedoms. Even if they hadn't read the book, they would have been influenced but people who had.

INeedSomeHelp
08-25-2008, 12:05 PM
Essentially all political leaders use Machiavelli's ideas in some way. You could name every U.S. President, all leaders of all of the countries in Europe, and almost everyone else. For something like that, you certainly have read Discourses on the First Ten Books of Titus Livius, so you could mention anyone who favors equality and political freedoms. EEven if they hadn't read the book, they would have been influenced but people who had.

Any names? ha

PeterL
08-25-2008, 01:48 PM
Any names? ha

Names:
Disraeli
Churchill
Roosevelt, Teddy
Roosevelt, F. D.
Eisenhower
Hitler
De Gaulle
PompideuBush (both)
Clinton
Stalin
Krushchev
Lenin
Malenkov
Molotov
Marx
Lincoln
Washington
Adams
Jefferson
Madison
Monroe
Adams
Jackson
And you can add every major, and most minor, political figure that you can think of.

JCamilo
08-25-2008, 08:55 PM
To tell the truth, linking Machiavelli to dictadors is ignoring that one of his main ideas is that the prince must make the people happy. Any state where the governament works to keep social order and serve the population is "Machiavelli".
Recently in Brazil Fernando Henrique Cardoso (president from 94-2002) claimed to use him and when Collor (president 89-92) suffered the impechement many people joke because in one chapter of The Prince Machiavelli claims that you may kill someone's father but never take away his woman. (Something in those lines). The person that started the downfall of Collor was his brother, upset for him flirting with his wife.

JBI
08-25-2008, 08:59 PM
Anyone essentially who has studied Renaissance literature, Italian literature, political science, political theory, political philosophy, European History, and everything in between. Seriously, I was reading excerpts of it in class in grade 11, meaning anyone who had taken that class was at least made familiar with the general concepts at that level.

The book has to profound an impact, to the point where very few people are not directly or indirectly influenced by it in the western world.