Torn between God and the Devil

[blazeofglory]

Often I wonder at the fact that whether any man can live without devilish elements in him, no matter how spiritually uplifted he or she is. And even the most villain and nastiest person too has something divine.

We live brazenly as a person of austerity and but the furtive villain in us sleeps in dormancy. It sneakily it waits for a moment to wake up and swallow. That is why we see things unimaginable or happenings incredible.

The sacred and the profane have roles and they for a while try to subdue or subjugate the other for a while but they at times manifest and the sinner becomes sacred and the sacred profane.

Free Will then? No there is no free will, for it was invented by schools of Christianity to justify the way of God to man. It is only Christianity that defines or asserts Christianity and no other religions or worlds of beliefs subscribe to the idea of beliefs.


Man no matter what status he or she is in spiritually, morally, religiously or ethically is likely to be plunged into sinful actions.

That proves that man is not becoming altruistic or austere out of choice but out of the need for it to assert or affirm his or her existence only.

Nietzsche has elaborated on Slave Morality and Master Morality.

[Wintermute]

Hiya Blaze,

So there's good and bad in all of us. Is this new to you? I'm pretty sure the Bible says we're all sinners but also blessed (could a Christian help me out here?). I guess Eve eating the dang apple was her less-than-divine self waking from its dormancy. Is there something deeper to your post that I'm missing? Or is it just a simple observation?

Blessings,
Doug

[blazeofglory]

Hiya Blaze,

So there's good and bad in all of us. Is this new to you? I'm pretty sure the Bible says we're all sinners but also blessed (could a Christian help me out here?). I guess Eve eating the dang apple was her less-than-divine self waking from its dormancy. Is there something deeper to your post that I'm missing? Or is it just a simple observation?

Blessings,
Doug

There is nothing new and all we call new is a new approach or new look only. Just we have missed seeing it.

What I said was said already by many, and of course there were endless discourses there and are still taking place.

The point is we have failed to realize it and we listened to it but that remained unheard.

And failing to realize this fact leads us to misjudge or misconstrue things. With this people miscomprehend things. And disputes arise in consequence.

We know everything but do not implement in life. Therefore that demands reemphasizing things and rekindling our minds with flames of knowledge.

I do not deem you and the rest on the forum less understood it than me and I am not supercilious thinking that I know more than you.

The simple idea is let us look at the tradition of judging things with a preoccupied mind. We brand someone good and another bad. We do not choose to go beyond that to see why one is really bad just because he is classed bad or branded bad. Nobody can be branded bad, for badness and goodness is an exterior, a layer and nothing more than that. This label is skin-deep and under the skin we are not bad nor good.

We liken man to an image and in fact man is something more than an image.

[Wintermute]

Good morning Blaze,

Curiously that reminds me of the lyrics of an old song:

Oh, you know all the words, and you sung all the notes,
But you never quite learned the song, she sang.
I can tell by the sadness in your eyes,
That you never quite learned the song.

Incredible String Band (ca. 1971)

Cheers,
Doug

[blazeofglory]

Good morning Blaze,

Curiously that reminds me of the lyrics of an old song:

Oh, you know all the words, and you sung all the notes,
But you never quite learned the song, she sang.
I can tell by the sadness in your eyes,
That you never quite learned the song.

Incredible String Band (ca. 1971)

Cheers,
Doug

You made me mute, and I got moved by you, and all my words were full of arrogance and vainglory. It is out of humility I say that all I said did not come out of my deep thoughts and experiences. These are learned and assimilated ideas.

Yes all I know are words, mere words and nothing more than words. I know all the words and memorized all notes, yet what I know is not a song, and a mere combination of words and notes can not make a song. It is like having all parts and the combination still can not be a life if life is not breached into it.

There can be authenticity in the words of a prophet and not in a person like me.

[Drkshadow03]

There is nothing new and all we call new is a new approach or new look only. Just we have missed seeing it.

"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again. There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9.

[Judas130]

Often I wonder at the fact that whether any man can live without devilish elements in him, no matter how spiritually uplifted he or she is. And even the most villain and nastiest person too has something divine.

We live brazenly as a person of austerity and but the furtive villain in us sleeps in dormancy. It sneakily it waits for a moment to wake up and swallow. That is why we see things unimaginable or happenings incredible.

The sacred and the profane have roles and they for a while try to subdue or subjugate the other for a while but they at times manifest and the sinner becomes sacred and the sacred profane.

Free Will then? No there is no free will, for it was invented by schools of Christianity to justify the way of God to man. It is only Christianity that defines or asserts Christianity and no other religions or worlds of beliefs subscribe to the idea of beliefs.


Man no matter what status he or she is in spiritually, morally, religiously or ethically is likely to be plunged into sinful actions.

That proves that man is not becoming altruistic or austere out of choice but out of the need for it to assert or affirm his or her existence only.

Nietzsche has elaborated on Slave Morality and Master Morality.

I see The Devil as a symbol. he can be all the 'bad' in us. all the temptation. Yet he is also the desires and needs to act naturally as the animals we once were. He is a force of nature with which without we would be puppets to our own guilt and dogma. Then, you have Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha...teachers that offer a way of life that denies the natural needs of mankind and creates varying forms of culture based on morals. Neither are truly bad or good. Whether the devil exists physically or not, for me at present he is a symbol. A symbol for lust, a symbol for anger, a symbol for engorgement, for being a bit nasty when annoyed, etc. Without that, we are not human.

Besides, if you look at the duality of human nature during Elizabethan or Victorian England, you see how the 'holy' people who always went to church and made public their love of all things right and ideal, in short - well respected people, you always see their hypocrisy and the perversion that lies behind their mask as they snuck out on late nights to party and endulge in their pleasures, harlots, you name it. Read Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, and apt description of not only Stevenson's time, but all time. if you look at the Sadducee and Pharisees of Jesus' age, you can see the evident hypocrisy in what they do, the lust for money etc. Satan, as the symbolic force within all of us to be naturally animalistic, cannot be repressed so easily as moral dogma would have it, as is always there in who we are. It is what makes us human. In this respect, i don't see anything wrong with it.

To quickly back myself up on one thing, killing I of course believe to be wrong. Murder can be seen as animalistic and also symbolic of satan (our animal nature) yet I believe we all to be united by our species and to murder one of our own is to murder your brother or sister, it is unforgivable. As humans, as children of earth, we must promote our race, not harm it.