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motherhubbard
08-05-2008, 09:49 AM
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An Evening With Anchee Min
13th Annual Writer's Symposium by the Sea
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Many writers have engaged in the project of rescuing female figures from history, but few have tackled such an unsympathetic character as Anchee Min does in her historical novel Becoming Madame Mao. Known as the White Boned Demon during her reign of terror in China, Madame Mao was blamed for countless bloody and vengeful executions; she sought out those who had wronged her in the past and wiped them off the face of the earth. Eventually she was reviled in China and executed, even as her husband was revered as a hero.

Before her stint as Mao's first lady, Jiang Ching, as she was then known, was an actress, a singer, and a star in Communist films. Anchee Min grew up in Red China and watched Jiang Ching from afar; she was fascinated by her for many years, by tales of her independence and strength, and by images of her beauty. In a way, the great villain and demon was a role model for Anchee Min, and her teenage devotion is the engine of her remarkable novel. Moving back and forth between stories of the actress and the evil dictator, Min complicates the Madame Mao of history.

As a girl, Madame Mao narrowly escaped having her feet bound. The book opens with graphic descriptions of this process and of the ensuing infection that freed her. But if her feet were not bound, her spirit was. Reared by a mother who was the last concubine of a rich man, and a father who liked to hit his girls with shovels, Madame Mao as a young girl felt herself doomed: "I see my father hit Mother with a shovel. It happened suddenly. Without warning. I can hardly believe my eyes. He is mad. He calls Mother a slut. Mother's body curls up. My chest swells. He hits her back, front, shouting that he will break her bones." The father then goes on to treat his daughter the same way. Decades later, when Madame Mao manifests deep brutality, Min seems to be saying that what goes around comes around. Flawed by a clumsy structure that vacillates between third and first person arbitrarily, Becoming Madame Mao is nevertheless an immensely interesting work--defiant, morally ambiguous, and difficult to put down. --Emily White


I'm reading this book and would like to discuss it with others.

papayahed
08-05-2008, 10:39 AM
While reading the prologue I was feeling bad for madam mao but when the daughter said "you've dug more graves then you have bodies for" I decided to hold off judgement.

motherhubbard
08-05-2008, 11:43 AM
So far I do sympathize with her and in some ways identify with her. I know that I’m just a little bit away from ruthlessness and I’m sure I will feel differently then.

I think it’s interesting how similar experiences shape people differently. She was treated harshly by her father but I don’t think that was so unusual. Most women would have learned their place but she was determined to be something more.

Scheherazade
08-05-2008, 12:07 PM
Thanks for starting the thread, MH! :)

Initially I was wondering whether she was a product of her circumstances or made a scape goat but the more I read (I am half-way through now), I find her more and more disagreeable. She seems very calculating and resentful of anyone and anything.

No doubt, she has been depicted as a very strong character and probably she was but I am finding it hard to sympathise with her.

MH> I agree that people are shaped differently even though their experiences might be similar but I think there lies the dilemma as well. We all have choices and we can go down this road or that and seems like she decided to choose her path the way she did; avenging on anyone who did not agree with her throughout her life.

motherhubbard
08-05-2008, 12:24 PM
I just finished the chapter where she meets Mao.

I agree. She is calculating and resentful. I think she is a bit narcissistic as well. Everything comes back to her- how does this effect her, is this good for her, does this further her happiness. It’s hard to understand people who cannot consider the needs of others. Sometimes I think that she has no soul, that she is just an empty vessel that is filled by whatever character she is playing.

Scheherazade
08-07-2008, 10:58 AM
Finished the book this morning. Especially the last 100 pages filled me with... I don't want to say "disgust" but something very similar to that. Humanbeings are nothing but selfish and power-hungry; all around the world, throughout the time. Nothing seems to change and it probably never will.

I cannot say I liked Min's style much. Her narrative seemed, to me, all over the place and lacking finesse.

motherhubbard
08-07-2008, 10:02 PM
I'm not finished yet.

I agree with you about Min's style. I have another book by her which I will read next. I wonder if all of her writing will be like this. I know that English is not her language and maybe that's the reason.

I like to read about China so I will continue with her. The subject makes up for the style for me.

papayahed
08-11-2008, 09:34 AM
I'm about halfway through and I have to admit I'm beginning to worry about all those people madam mao meets. You can tell she's making a mental note of the people that wronged her or were perceived to have wronged her. I do that too, but I always end up forgetting who's on the list except my high school teacher that accused me of cheating and the next time I run into her I'm going to give her a dirty look.

motherhubbard
08-12-2008, 08:41 PM
I just wonder why Madam Mao is seen s the bad one when Mao was just as bad or worse. I think she is consumed with fear and the desire for power. Dangerous combination.

papayahed
08-12-2008, 09:07 PM
Do you guys think it's a coincidence that Mao and the Mrs stopped "being intimate" when he took control of China?

motherhubbard
08-12-2008, 09:13 PM
I don't know. There was that longevity practice. He wasn’t exactly a spring chicken. He may have been giving his all to the virgins.

papayahed
08-12-2008, 09:17 PM
that's true, I'm wondering when the virgins started? It's hard to keep track of time in this book. At one point Madam mentions she's been married for 17 years. I can't figure out how many of those 17 years were during the fighting vs. being emperor? (emperor? is that right?)

motherhubbard
08-12-2008, 09:26 PM
I don't know. I'm near the end, maybe 30 pages left. I keep wondering why she doesn't just skip town. She had to know that trouble was on the way. She’s precise and calculating one moment and consumed with fear and an irrational belief that she is in control the next. I don’t know, trouble doesn’t usually take my surprise. It’s good to know when to cut and run!

motherhubbard
08-13-2008, 04:30 PM
I finished the book today and I found myself thinking about Hollywood and Madam Bovary. I think of Madam Mao as a Hollywood diva crossed with Madam Bovary. It’s easy for some people to believe that fantasy is real life, but they have to want to believe. She had a very romantic idea of what her life would be and she couldn’t differentiate between reality and the role she was playing. A recipe for disaster. Also, it must have been terrible to be so led by fear.

Scheherazade
08-13-2008, 04:41 PM
I do that too, but I always end up forgetting who's on the list except my high school teacher that accused me of cheating and the next time I run into her I'm going to give her a dirty look.Nooo!!! Not the Papaya dirty look??? :eek2:
I just wonder why Madam Mao is seen s the bad one when Mao was just as bad or worse. I think she is consumed with fear and the desire for power. Dangerous combination.Very dangeous combination. Also, she believes, very innocently, that she could actually pull it while it is obvious that Mao would not let her get away with it.

Re. Mao vs Mrs> I think that is typical...

The winner takes it all
The loser standing small
Beside the victory
Thats her destiny

Mao managed to eliminate all his enemies and put enough fear of... Mao into their hearts to remain in power so everyone salutes him as as a victor/ruler.

Do you guys think it's a coincidence that Mao and the Mrs stopped "being intimate" when he took control of China?Probably but the fact that he was always on the go did not help either, I guess.

I bet the virgins were always part of the deal... I don't see him being faithful at all... even when they were newly married or "dating".

papayahed
08-16-2008, 10:41 PM
I finished the book this morning. It amazes me that these people had so much power. What i'm really wondering is where the term "White boned devil" came from. I did a search and theres mention of a white boned demon in Chinese fable from the 1500's.

I'm also wondering what became of Nah?