Tell me where truth is?

[blazeofglory]

Life is a result, a process, an event of truth, and not truth itself. It does not begin with truth, and nor it ends with truth. What we call truth is not truth only, only a veneer of it. I liken it to cutting an onion and when you remove one layer thinking that you will come upon truth but you never reach the core or kernel.
Truth is something we never can realize.
One truth, the length and breadth of the universe, we never know despite some scientific projections or conjectures.
Many of us pray, and seek God thinking that he is the ultimate truth, yet no one has seen God, despite the fact that some Gurus claim it to deceive the gullible.
We have so many gods, storied, fabled accounts of heaven and hell, deities, theories, ideas, thoughts, philosophies but all evaporate at the end of the day like the way the dewdrops on your lawn evaporate in the sunshine.
Volumes of books are there to un-layer the domain of truth, and we have schools of thinkers and philosophers, theologians and all the stuff but no one can take us an inch away from this material reality. These voluble advocates with their ideas and principles and books of mammoth size simply blind and layer our kens with their misleading ideas and principles.
As far as truth is concerned we are not an inch closer to it than our ancestors, and no philosophers or thinkers, or no any scientists, or profounder have arrived at it though treatises and homilies and dissertations have been written on it.

Can you tell wherein you can find truth?


Yet we keep on seeking it interminably gluing our eyes to voluminous books of theologies until our eyes are strained but arrive at naught.

Racking our brains that are limited stuffs I liken our discoveries or endeavors to somethings which butterflies do around a firelight being amazed at the marvels of it.

We are dusts, and return to dusts, and if you rise above, just an inch only, and there were thousands before us to leave marks in the sands of life but all get erased once a tornado of change sweep the dirt of the vase desert.

Nature evens up every thing . There is no day of judgment as the biblical story accounts on which sinners and saints have to come upon truth.

No, the day of judgment comes once when nature evens out everything, treating both the sinner and the sacred equally.

For sin and sacredness are human attributes not cardinal truths.

[jgweed]

One fails to understand how there can be truth, which is not knowable- - - except it is something other than whatever we think is true. Nor is there any criteria, any tests, that we can apply to determine if something is "true." We cannot in fact, even know that there is something called "truth" above and beyond what we normally consider to be true, to which a truth can correspond.

To define Truth in such a way that nothing can possibly be, or found to be, true makes that definition meaningless except as an excuse for mystical lamentations or obscure poetry.

We could, of course, approach this philosophically and posit the following: Truth is only meaningful in human terms and within human horizons and therefore the application of the concept to non-human universes is not appropriate. The assertion "X is true" only has meaning if we can, in fact, determine if X IS true. Now we can do this in the human horizon/universe because we know how to ascertain the statement's truth and can go about doing so.
Once, however, we make transcendental truth statements we have no procedures and rules to verify whether X is true or false; indeed we can even say X is true and not-X is true with equal plausibility.

To portray truth as a non-something is rather like painting a white polar bear in a blinding snowstorm.

[blazeofglory]

I am inspired by Einstein' s quote, "Reality is an illusion". From this what we deduct is all that we see or are visible can be something deluding and beyond layers and indeed we visualize layers only. Even in our endeavors to un-layer the thing to arrive at the core we will not see it, for there is no core.

[NikolaiI]

I am inspired by Einstein' s quote, "Reality is an illusion". From this what we deduct is all that we see or are visible can be something deluding and beyond layers and indeed we visualize layers only. Even in our endeavors to un-layer the thing to arrive at the core we will not see it, for there is no core.

This is partly right. The Buddhist scriptures, the Buddhist truth, is that there is no fundamental essence. -- this actually confirmed, to the disbelief of many or most, by quantum mechanics. At the very basis of all that is, there is something incalculable. And you are exactly right that "reality" is illusion, although it is more correct to say that phenomena are illusion.

Buddhism explains this-- there exists reality, however. We are relative beings. We exist in such a world: there is truth, though, truth, knowledge, bliss, and eternal life; all these exist; they are our natural state. Our natural state is bliss and knowledge, and we can recover this state by recovering this divine consciousness.

Phenomena is illusion, yet we exist in reality; we are simply covered by illusion in our current consciousness. One can in fact attain divine consciousness, although it is inconceivable to our sense-perception consciousness. If someone realizes this, then they know many things, one of which is that the world is a perfect whole, it is complete as it is, does not need to be added or taken away from; the truth is there in all things, in some measure, it is in the trees, grass, air, light, sun, sky, moon, mountains, rocks, and it is in the wind, and even a grain of sand. Truth is...the taste of water.

The interesting thing is: what we are searching for is where we began, it is what we started out from, and it is what we are standing on ourselves. We are searching for reality, but we exist in reality; it is like searching for wetness while splashing in the ocean. This divine nature and consciousness is what we are; as George Harrison explained, every soul soul is potentially divine. We do not need to go anywhere to experience this enlightenment; we only need to shift our perception, understanding or paradigm.

Peace comes when we understand that all is in God, all is in reality.

[R.A]

NikolaiI

I agree with you that we must search about truth in ourselves.... For me I agree with Jacque Derrida when he said his popular statement "center is not the center".... whenever you feel that you are in the truth, you'll immediately feel you are out... nothing is certain... I believe that even in everyone of us, there is that sub-concsious about which we know nothing at all.... I think everyone's personal truth lies in his sub-conscious, and since we can't reach there, so even our personal truth is not totally known...

Concerning the Universe, I think it's hard to find it.... We live in a shallow world, in which we are convinced by icons, images, and appearances. We never and will never know about the true essence of anything... "Truth is not that thing to touch or know, just feeling that we know it...."

I share you that truth is just with God..

[Judas130]

''truth''
1. the true or actual state of a matter: He tried to find out the truth.
2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement.
3. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths.
4. the state or character of being true.
5. actuality or actual existence.
6. an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.
7. honesty; integrity; truthfulness.
8. (often initial capital letter) ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience: the basic truths of life.
9. agreement with a standard or original.
10. accuracy, as of position or adjustment.
11. Archaic. fidelity or constancy.


but there's always that basic idea, if you look deep within your being, there is truth.

Reality may be an illusion, but existence surely isn't. The old phrase 'i think, therefore i am' proves that...if you think, it proves you to be a thinking being....our bodies may be false, but we exist nonetheless.

[jgweed]

Quite often, doesn't confusion arise when one does not clearly distinguish between the various uses (definitions) of truth, especially when definition 8 is used interchangeably with the other definitions, or used as THE definition?

[Adolescent09]

This is partly right. The Buddhist scriptures, the Buddhist truth, is that there is no fundamental essence. -- this actually confirmed, to the disbelief of many or most, by quantum mechanics. At the very basis of all that is, there is something incalculable. And you are exactly right that "reality" is illusion, although it is more correct to say that phenomena are illusion.

Buddhism explains this-- there exists reality, however. We are relative beings. We exist in such a world: there is truth, though, truth, knowledge, bliss, and eternal life; all these exist; they are our natural state. Our natural state is bliss and knowledge, and we can recover this state by recovering this divine consciousness.

Phenomena is illusion, yet we exist in reality; we are simply covered by illusion in our current consciousness. One can in fact attain divine consciousness, although it is inconceivable to our sense-perception consciousness. If someone realizes this, then they know many things, one of which is that the world is a perfect whole, it is complete as it is, does not need to be added or taken away from; the truth is there in all things, in some measure, it is in the trees, grass, air, light, sun, sky, moon, mountains, rocks, and it is in the wind, and even a grain of sand. Truth is...the taste of water.

The interesting thing is: what we are searching for is where we began, it is what we started out from, and it is what we are standing on ourselves. We are searching for reality, but we exist in reality; it is like searching for wetness while splashing in the ocean. This divine nature and consciousness is what we are; as George Harrison explained, every soul soul is potentially divine. We do not need to go anywhere to experience this enlightenment; we only need to shift our perception, understanding or paradigm.

Peace comes when we understand that all is in God, all is in reality.

One who adopts this philosophy can most willingly assume that "reality" is experienced by anyone who breathes and is mentally conscious. True. But, reality is not whatever we make it but what chance and circumstance ordains for us in the course of life. "Bliss" is only as "natural a state" as chance will permit, so it is only eternal for those of us who are fortunate enough to witness it. You state that phenomena is illusion and God is some embodiment of reality although most of the time the two are inextricably correlated so as to suggest that illusion and reality are unfathomably similar or identical, one in the guise of the other. Illusion and Reality can function interchangably and since both terms are relatively abstract, principles of conduct and propriety should be based on moral laws instead of divine laws. Here, I'm biased and so are most people. The problem is that divine laws (commandments, paths, principles etc..) periodically conflict with moral laws (our intrinsic ability to discern between right and wrong) so that unequivocally knowing the difference between what we think is right and wrong is based solely on our upbringing and social interactions.