The New-Fashioned Way to a Diploma, and Related Matters

[DickZ]

Lots of LitNet forum members are in the process of getting their education in the old-fashioned way – the approach that requires hard work. Many others have already gotten their degrees, in that same old-fashioned way.

But getting it the old-fashioned way isn’t the only way you can get it nowadays with all our modern conveniences. Just yesterday I received a fantastic e-mail that said, “No test, No class, buy yourself Bacheelor/MasteerMBA/Doctoraate dip1omas, VALID in awl countrys."

This raises an interesting question, in my mind, at least. How many of us would think a message like that one would motivate us to respond, and to investigate how to go about ‘buying yourself’ one of those Bacheelor dip1omas? And how much money would we be willing to invest in ‘buying’ it?

And yet lots of people put out writings here that aren’t that much different than the one that promises wonderful MasteerMBA dip1omas for sale. I’m curious as to how those writers expect to be received?

[Captain_Kuchiki]

I personally consider buying a bachelor's degree to be cheating, in a way. Plus, the message has misspelled words. I wouldn't buy anything that comes from a seller that uses misspelled words. I plan on getting a associate's degree at a two year college. The only spending I will do is tuition for a real education, for classes I'm looking forward to attending on a great campus. Not buying one "off the shelf".

[Sweets America]

Of course it is cheating! I'm sure some people would be tempted to do it, though. One of my ex-friends slept with the teacher, which greatly helped her to have her Master's degree without working for it, and that's another form of 'buying' your degree, isn't it?

But, really, in France anyway, I'm not sure that high degrees help you to have a job... so if people want to buy a degree to get a job, they'd better think twice... cause you're often turned down for being 'over-qualified', they say. That's why I'm studying mainly because I enjoy it, not especially to get a job, so in my case there would be no use in buying those absurd things.

And anyway, I'm thinking that if someone buys a diploma without having worked for it, then their lack of knowledge will become obvious if they work in the diploma's field. Now of course I don't think that Universities are the only way to gain knowledge. I think that someone who has never been to any university but who has studied by himself might be even more educated than a guy who had a university diploma, but that's another question.

[papayahed]

A coworker bought one of those. I know that because another coworker saw the reciept come over the fax machine. She had a very decent job already so I don't know why she needed an extra "degree". Plus it's not very hard to figure out if the degree is legitimite, at my current job they did a background check that rivaled the CIA, it surely would have turned up.

[DickZ]

I personally consider buying a bachelor's degree to be cheating, in a way. Plus, the message has misspelled words. I wouldn't buy anything that comes from a seller that uses misspelled words....
I guess that I was too subtle to be understood clearly, and should have been more direct. Of course it is cheating to buy a degree, but the major point of my post was supposed to be the misspelled words in the spam. Nobody who has enough intelligence to survive in this world would find much credibility in a message riddled with errors like that, even if they thought that buying a degree was a viable option.

We very often see stories posted in the WRITING section that are similarly riddled with errors. The intent of my post, and the reason I put it in the WRITING section, is as follows. If you saw a message offering [I]“No test, No class, buy yourself Bacheelor/ MasteerMBA/Doctoraate dip1omas, VALID in awl countrys", you wouldn't even consider following up on it. Similarly, when you post a story that has multiple spelling mistakes, you can't expect serious readers to pay much attention to it.

We all make a mistake every now and then, but if you have a misspelled word in every other sentence, readers stop reading your story regardless of how good they might find it to be if they continued. If you want credibility, take the time required to minimize your spelling errors.

As an aside, the wisdom of buying a degree is obviously flawed, since it doesn't take long to identify someone in the workplace who shouldn't be there.

[Sweets America]

Wow, I just reread your post and I now see clearly that you wanted to emphasize the spelling thing, and I also see how my response didn't have a lot to do with what you were expecting or asking for! :lol: Sorry, sometimes my brains are just off.

[Virgil]

“No test, No class, buy yourself Bacheelor/MasteerMBA/Doctoraate dip1omas, VALID in awl countrys."



I bet the spelling mistakes were not an accident. :lol: You aren't getting a diploma, you're getting a dip1oma. They aren't valid in all countries, they are vaild in awl countries. ;) So what can you do with a dip1oma in a awl country? :D

[Nightshade]

Well actually there is an interesting question take university in England today for example, the increasing cost to students is making the attitude to higher education change also the reason people go to uni is changing ,but will get to that in a moment. Now according to a couple of studies I had to read and seen init myself many students today expect to be spoon fed the answers and the exam papers and heck even the structure of the essays, they expect to have their degrees handed them and lets face it if you are forking out over £3600 a year you do want a garentee of a good degree at the end of it.

used to be people went to uni either because they liked to learn or they had nothing better to do ( or they want a professional job) but increasingly today its hard to get an even halfway decent job withput a degree any old degree so people go to uni and hate every minute of the lectures, which is a shame IMO, especially when such people are given to hissing at other students to stop asking questions because its disturbing their sleep... :rolleyes:

[DickZ]

... take university in England today for example, the increasing cost to students is making the attitude to higher education change also the reason people go to uni is changing ... according to a couple of studies I had to read and seen in it myself many students today expect to be spoon fed the answers and the exam papers and heck even the structure of the essays, they expect to have their degrees handed them ...:rolleyes:
I would guess that the same thing happens here in the USA, but I wonder if anybody actually succeeds in the long run by going that route. If you can't do anything useful in the workforce, you don't get very far, regardless of what your diploma (or dip1oma) says.

[JBI]

I'll keep my University of Toronto Degree, and leave the D1ploma's to others. Seriously, I, by the end, will have dropped 24 or so thousand dollars in my education (loaned from the government as of now), plus graduate studies. It isn't only that though, it is the fact that I intend to be an academic, and to do that it requires learning, not just a degree.

Even if it was a legitimate degree, still it wouldn't help anyone who wishes to go on, as I do. I can just see myself applying to graduate school with a d1ploma, and even if they accept me, there is still the fact that I would probably fail out within the first semester.

Another note, I guess these degrees appeal to those of us who can't spell or read. How ironic.

[Scheherazade]

Another note, I guess these degrees appeal to those of us who can't spell or read. How ironic.Very poor generalisation.

There are many, many reasons for some people's inability to spell or even read at the "expected" level. And I personally know that most of those people, if given a chance, strive to achieve and succeed academically rather than opting for the ease way out.

[jgweed]

"We very often see stories posted in the WRITING section that are similarly riddled with errors. The intent of my post, and the reason I put it in the WRITING section, is as follows... . Similarly, when you post a story that has multiple spelling mistakes, you can't expect serious readers to pay much attention to it."

Using spell-check, and simply taking the time to copyread what one is about to post tells me that the writer is both serious about what he is writing, and that he is serious about wanting Others to read it. If I have to interrupt reading to mentally correct spelling, grammar, or punctuation (or lack thereof) too many times, I simply give up on understanding what the writer wants to say. I really pity the reader who has English as a second language---and the internet and its forums are indeed international--- trying to wade through such garbage.